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We are in an era where artificial intelligence and supercomputers can perform many tasks accurately. We have reports of some AI tools passing law school examinations and some of them have performed some complex surgeries in the medical field. With these technological tools, the word impossible is gradually becoming obsolete.

In the betting or gambling sector, there has been an increase in the use of technology to make the game more interesting and profitable. Recently there has been news of a SuperComputer that can carry out complex simulations and give game predictions. Based on the Opta supercomputer prediction, Liverpool is the favorite to win the EPL with 45%, Manchester City with 33.6% while Arsenal has a 21.4% chance.

While in the Champions League, the SuperComputer had predicted that Atletico Madrid has the slimmest chance of winning with just 5% chance while Manchester City has the biggest chance with 41.2%.

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

Further reading
Opta supercomputer predicts Man City and Arsenal's chances of winning the Champions League as Real Madrid leapfrog European giants in latest analysis (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13284811/Opta-supercomputer-predicts-Man-City-Arsenals-chances-winning-Champions-League-Real-Madrid-leapfrog-European-giants-latest-analysis.html)

A supercomputer is tracking one of most exciting soccer title races for years. It keeps coming up with different predictions (https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/05/sport/opta-supercomputer-premier-league-arsenal-liverpool-manchester-city-spt-intl/index)

If the last prediction where it says Liverpool will win and did happen then it might just be a coincidence but if the 2nd time Manchester City will win, I think there is got to be truth to this supercomputer you are saying. But why don't you try betting to see if it predicts right?

It's been talked about that AI in sports betting might just be useful for us but I didn't expect it to happen so soon. I am assuming the AIs will need to pull data from millions of bettors and pick the bettors who have been predicting winners all the time and that's what AIs will predict as the outcome as well.

Firstly, I will have to ask is it humans that are going to play this matches? If yes then you're likely to understand what I'm taking about.

This supercomputers are just capable of doing maths that are automated on it by the manufacturers and whatever that has to do with humans are always very confusing as we humans do not even trust ourselves to our next minutes, hence no matter how smart this computers become I don't believe they will have any accurate predictions.
What we can see from this supercomputers are that they depend on the opinions or the suggestions of humans to make their predictions, and as long as this gambling related stuffs aren't mathematical/scientific computers will find it very hard to make correct predictions because they will depend on our biased opinions and observations to make their predictions.

You can have a different perception of the supercomputers but this is mine.

It's not the question of reliability, but whether we should follow them. So for me no, at least I still have my analysis on games and I will stand by what I saw and bet and predicted instead of following supercomputers or AI to make the bet for me. There is also one thread about UFC/MMA predictions by AI and I don't think it went good (maybe I'm wrong). But if you are a sport fans, this will take away the or defeat being like that, strong passion, interest, and enthusiasm for the sports you follow and then you're going to put a line base on what you see and then the excitement after winning huge, whether ML or multi-betting.

I will not depend on game predictions by supercomputers because predicting the outcome of sports events involves numerous variables, many of which can be unpredictable or subject to change. Factors such as player injuries, team dynamics, weather conditions, and unexpected game events can significantly influence the outcome, often in ways that even the most advanced algorithms may struggle to anticipate accurately.

Supercomputers can analyze vast amounts of data and identify patterns that humans might overlook but there are inherent limitations to their predictive capabilities. The future of sports events remains inherently uncertain, and no prediction model can guarantee complete accuracy, so I think these predictions are not reliable.

While the predictions offered by supercomputers may provide valuable insights and serve as a reference point for decision-making, I think supplementing them with other forms of analysis and intuition is still needed. For me, the element of thrill would disappear if it became predictable and if it was eliminated by any technological advancement.

Quote from: cabron on April 08, 2024, 08:46:47 PM

I will have to state it categorically that the same way humans predict matches that how AI does, less we forget that AI are coded to perform the commands of humans, the head to head statistics of teams are coded in it for it to give it's predictions, if AI predictions comes as expected then we should know that it is meant to be like that but on know account we should attribute it to accuracy because as far as a football match is concerned, no one knows the outcome of any match.
In the aspect of combining many predictors data and use the one that is likely possible to come as their prediction tips as you said, anyway it is an assumption, AI works with previous and current form of a team for it predictions and it is normal but accuracy will not be guaranteed because it is a mere predicting bots that's built by human being to perform different function with command.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

While in the Champions League, the SuperComputer had predicted that Atletico Madrid has the slimmest chance of winning with just 5% chance while Manchester City has the biggest chance with 41.2%.

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

Remember that we’re dealing with sports that can be affected by a number of factors - and me relying on a supercomputer or as other called it AI is really a nice idea. It is quite obvious that the prediction made above can turn out to be wrong (we just have to wait and see).

I still believe it’s still too early to decide whether I’ll go for it or not, but currently I’m against it - there have been quite of number of things that we claimed we won’t do but later hopped in after discovering some hidden information and I believe same could apply to this supercomputer prediction.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

We are in an era where artificial intelligence and supercomputers can perform many tasks accurately. We have reports of some AI tools passing law school examinations and some of them have performed some complex surgeries in the medical field. With these technological tools, the word impossible is gradually becoming obsolete.

In the betting or gambling sector, there has been an increase in the use of technology to make the game more interesting and profitable. Recently there has been news of a SuperComputer that can carry out complex simulations and give game predictions. Based on the Opta supercomputer prediction, Liverpool is the favorite to win the EPL with 45%, Manchester City with 33.6% while Arsenal has a 21.4% chance.

While in the Champions League, the SuperComputer had predicted that Atletico Madrid has the slimmest chance of winning with just 5% chance while Manchester City has the biggest chance with 41.2%.

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

Further reading
Opta supercomputer predicts Man City and Arsenal's chances of winning the Champions League as Real Madrid leapfrog European giants in latest analysis (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13284811/Opta-supercomputer-predicts-Man-City-Arsenals-chances-winning-Champions-League-Real-Madrid-leapfrog-European-giants-latest-analysis.html)

/2024/04/05/sport/opta-supercomputer-premier-league-arsenal-liverpool-manchester-city-spt-intl/index]A supercomputer is tracking one of most exciting soccer title races for years. It keeps coming up with different predictions (https://editi[Suspicious link removed)

The advancements in AI and supercomputing are indeed transforming many sectors, including gambling and sports betting. These technologies can analyze vast amounts of data much faster and more accurately than humans, which in theory should make their predictions quite reliable. However, the unpredictable nature of sports, influenced by countless variables including player form, injuries, weather, and even sheer luck, means there's always an element of uncertainty that no computer can fully eliminate.

While the predictions made by a supercomputer like Opta are based on rigorous analysis and can offer valuable insights, they shouldn't be seen as guarantees.
They do, however, add an exciting layer of data driven speculation that can make betting more informed and potentially more profitable.
But as with any form of gambling, it's important to approach these predictions with caution and use them as one of many tools in making decisions, rather than the sole basis. In the end, the unpredictability of sports is what makes them so thrilling!

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Yes they do accurate on some fields since information's available online can easily detected by those AI and they can easily show up the result of each task that we want them to do so its not surprising if they can able to pass certain exams since right now.

But for sports which result is not determine by anyone and result is random. Maybe the suggestion sent by AI is not accurate although maybe they are basing on teams statistics and show us which of those team have great chance to win but its good for us to think or see the real situation if there's something basis given by AI since we are still unsure about the suggestion given by this technology since the game still about to start and played by real people.

Call it a supercomputer, or call it artificial intelligence, or call it a ghost, no one is guaranteed to be right when it comes to gambling predictions. Super computer or artificial intelligence is complete software past a programming where personal programming is installed through which you can take the help of predictions but it is nothing but foolishness to think that these predictions will be 100% true.
Let's say a sportsbetting match between Manchester City and Nottingham Forest and the super computer asks you to bet on Nottingham Forest. If you consider the order of strength between the two teams then 100% prediction will be in favor of Manchester City. In this case, no matter what you call computer or artificial intelligence, there is no argument for the prediction to be true in this case. I am currently unable to support the prediction of supercomputers or artificial intelligence in any way.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

They are not reliable. From my experience in sports betting, you can easily know that there is nothing reliable to give you what could most likely be the outcome of matches that have not yet been played. I am good in analyzing the market and compare my work with prediction sites which will be almost the same to what my analysis says. AI can not do it more than that and it will fail like the prediction sites because prediction sites are not 70% accurate.

I do most of my gambling on sport betting. And with my experience, I will say it's better you make predictions yourself than using AI. Supercomputers can just be a supportive guide. Although no one can predict 100% outcome of a match but in most cases supercomputers are less accurate. There are some important things that they don't sometimes consider in their predictions. Like injured players, where the match is to be played( I e either home or away), etc. And this often affect the outcome of matches.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Well if these predictions at some point were to have 100% accuracy, I'd pretty much completely stop gambling in sports. Sadly I still think it's pretty impossible to get a 100% accuracy since to err is human, and these are humans playing on the field. If human strategies were limited to what was already made in the past, we'd be watching a pretty damn boring sports match but that's not how the world works.

Not to mention I still believe these predictions are simply numbers crunched up to the absolute limit based on the currently available metrics. Sure, they might have some sort of algorithm that ranks which data has more emphasis than the others but it still doesn't change the fact that they're simply numbers which equates to predictions just like how humans do it. Granted they can showcase more data and reference to more, but it doesn't necessarily mean that more data = more accuracy in some cases.

As much as I believe that AI will be a really good technology that would help progress humanity as a species, I don't think we're at a level that AI will accurately predict what could happen and have a spot on analysis, I mean people have that goal in mind for a really long time with AI because if you can accurately or semi-accurately predict any outcome that you ask the AI to predict, you've basically got an ubiquitous technology in your hands that can help you in any aspects that you want some help of like gambling but I think that with it, we're not using AI prediction to its fullest potential, imagine being able to simulate a war scenario when you're at a war against a country, you can easily adjust your strategy depending on the results, you can probably even use AI for space travel, imagine launching a space exploration that's got an AI to do accurate reports on what's happening during their travel, the information we're going to get is going to phenomenal.

But if we really just want to focus on gambling predictions, right now it's probably going to do well with blackjack and other games that have a fixed odds because you can do card counting using AI and they'd be able to give you results that can help with your decisions but if we're talking about sportsbetting, it's probably not yet that flawless to accurately predict who will score a goal at what minute of the game or how many points would Lebron be able to get in a particular game.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Forecasts require a lot of data and need to consider many variables. Normally bringing this all together will generate a very high cost as you need to have it in a form that your "AI" understands. So I look at these "super computers" with great caution because the work is too big for little to be returned. Therefore, this type of business ends up not being as profitable.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

In the betting or gambling sector, there has been an increase in the use of technology to make the game more interesting and profitable. Recently there has been news of a SuperComputer that can carry out complex simulations and give game predictions. Based on the Opta supercomputer prediction, Liverpool is the favorite to win the EPL with 45%, Manchester City with 33.6% while Arsenal has a 21.4% chance.

While in the Champions League, the SuperComputer had predicted that Atletico Madrid has the slimmest chance of winning with just 5% chance while Manchester City has the biggest chance with 41.2%.

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

I think it could be reliable in some extent. If it predict a match and the matches frequently plays accordingly, it could be Siad that it is reliable even if it's not %100 but it suggestion may play a unique role compeard to human. Since human are not %100 in accuracy I also believe that AI can as well not be %100 ok. But if the prediction seams to repeat itself frequently then there is a high chance to believe gambling prediction by supercomputer.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

These predictions are like a trap IMO, so you're better off relying on your predictions. If you plan to rely on these predictions because you don't follow the sport as much, always take them with a grain of salt.

They could have the same expectations as the odds provider, but it's still not good enough where you should put your money on it. It's the same reason for those who take the risk on underdogs and after a few matches their odds get adjusted until they become one of the few favorites to win the league.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

The predictions mean nothing unless we get to see the odds offered by the casinos and we can compare them, remember becoming a successful sport bettor not only depends on your ability to predict which outcome is the most likely, the odds at which you take your bet are critical and taking poor odds will produce poor results as well.

At the same time, casinos are not going to remain idle, if an AI could beat them, they will change the games, use their own AI, forbid the use of AI for their customers or do all of the points I mentioned previously, nullifying the effect of AI on their business.

Will you depend on game predictions by supercomputers? If a quantum computer that can hack the hash game I do believe that hahaha

but yeah we live today with a bunch of artificial intelligence it is everywhere today and as far as I know machine learning and AI use past data to make predictions in the future just like the trading but I believe the winrate is around 60-70% because the real world event cant be accurately predict in my opinion.

Artificial intelligence (AI) can predict game outcomes by analyzing player performance, team statistics, and external variables. AI algorithms can identify probabilities for future events like match outcomes, goal scorers, cards issued, and assists. AI-powered predictions have an accuracy rate of around 87%, compared to 60-65% for human experts according to https://deepgram.com/ai-apps/ai-sports-prediction

Quote from: dansus021 on April 09, 2024, 05:00:18 AM

So true, I think super computers predictions are relying in past statistics of the players and teams but the thing is sports is sports, we never know what will happen during the games, natural events or how will the flow of the game, technically so many factors may add up to the result, so I dont think solely relying in super computers predictions is a thing, maybe just a reference but betting based on that is like putting your chances of winning in disadvantage, anyway sports betting is a 50/50 chances of winning and losing so even without the use of predictions you can either win or lose and if you are a fan of the certain sports then predicting the winning team is much more easier. But its up to you if you will believe in predictions that came from supercomputer because its your own money, just saying that it could be dangerous.

For this to make sense to me 8)

A supercomputer should not be made by humans, allow me to break this down.

Humans are going to play football on a field or stadium, remember, some will get weaker than the others faster and accidents or injuries do happen when no one sees it coming.

Sometimes, even the most strongly active team loses their match to a football team that are less active, it has happened so many time, and I believe we should leave this type of what will happen vs what should happen to the master of the universe.

Back to the supercomputer, they are created by humans, thats all the answers you will ever need.

If Supercomputers will be built by some superhumans from outer space or god-like beings then I can say that this is possible.

You know whatever operation that is being carried out by AI is a result of human configuration meaning most times they could predicts and fails why because it's humanly operated and configured in a programed device. It gives out information according to how the builder coded the information and stored them inside the machine, therefore for the case of winning a match or league is impossible because gambling is beyond just a human inputting a command on the system and expect to have it as programed. For example, if supercomputer can give out a result of gambling this shows that gambling has been defeated from being a luck based game to a game of certainty where any person can give prediction and expected it the way it was predicted.

Quote from: acroman08 on April 08, 2024, 10:48:36 PM

This is interesting, if you don't mind, will you be able to make updates regarding the supercomputer's predictions? It would be interesting to see what their win/loss percentage would be in the long run.

I will consider your suggestion, maybe frequently visiting the websites of these supercomputers predicting firms and coming up with updates be an interesting activity. It will help us to ascertain how accurate and reliable they are.

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on April 09, 2024, 03:03:08 AM

I think we should accumulate statistics of successful match predictions by supercomputers. Statistics are the best and most visible form of certainty. However, I do not believe that supercomputers will be able to predict match results with 100% accuracy. The fact is that the outcome of many matches depends on chance. For example, if two teams of equal strength are playing, then the victory of one of them can often be the result of such a chance that no supercomputer can predict. Again, let's not forget that there are fixed matches that may not end as the supercomputer predicted.

One of the benefits of these supercomputers is that they can gather and analyse statistical data faster and more accurately. Human mistakes might lead to wrong predictions but these computers are flawless. I accept that gambling is a game of luck but these computers might be helpful, especially for newbies and those people who don't have all the time to analyze games.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

except football is scripted, this is total bullshit.

Their is no computer or invention that can predict the outcome of humans thought and event that's totally dependent on humans control can't be predicted by a machine. No doubt, technology has advanced to a very
large extent and games that are computer controlled can easily be influenced with technology but humans stands as exception to this kind of shit. This is just like saying that a wrestling match can be influenced by the use of technology.

One of the problem the society will face is when they over depend on the use of technology for most of her activities. The introduction of VAR and and and other technology has made soccer become somehow Boring and less entertaining and you want to predetermine the outcome of the EPL and champions league before time? What then is the fun in watching those games. Maybe if this will work then it should start from giving accurate prediction of daily matches and from thier we will know that it's a realistic adventure.

I don't believe in AI's predictions and if I must count on the AI prediction, then I am equally counting on those who claims to be expertises in gambling after they must have logically analysed the formations and possibilities of the game.

As much as AI can not determine the future of Bitcoin, so also I have doubts that it can possibly determine the future of football games.

The only possibility that the AI can determine a correct a 100% assured football games is when the AI's programmer is connected to the elites of the football league which some of the matches are being fixed.
So the programmer installs the command to the AI and when the game played so correctly as the AI predicted then people gets convinced that the AI was possible of predicting a future game.

That is a big lie. Getting to the bottom of this the AI platform is being hyped and manipulated operating under operators commands just to pin and attract the audience to rely on the technology in believing that the AI is indeed possible or make the all time impossibilities of predicting the future of football.

Quote from: EluguHcman on April 09, 2024, 12:10:54 PM

Well said Mate.
Firstly we must that AI is created by a Human, meaning it runs based on the commands and instructions given by the programmer. In as much as the AI function it depends on those instructions which are the information the programmer made available.

This is similar to Bots used in Trading, it doesn't have 100% win rate, neither will it satisfy that you will keep winning, in essence you apply your logic in gambling because its an unpredictable game, but if you are using the AI ensure it correlates with your view on the bet.
Let us not get too attached with all this super blah blah blah it's someelse instructions.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

It doesn't always happen that way, and it doesn't mean that once it happens, it will always happen to all gamblers who try that way; of course it's not like that. And there is no such thing;
I can still believe that it's just a coincidence. But not exactly like that always.

Because if that's the case, it will always happen for sure, and in the end, many casinos will probably close because of the tools that are mentioned in those articles, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Sometimes there are people got hype on the result shown by AI but they don't realized that the result show is not always accurate. Lots of things is needed to look after before they conclude that what AI suggested is true or it just releasing a generic result since this is what the AI accumulated on the data it gathered.

If there's a tool that can predict the out come of the game then provably there's a lot of gamblers would became so rich if they take advantage on the system. But we know its hard to make our conclusions or fantasy came true since not everything we want will happen. AI is helpful on other thing but for predicting on possible result I guess it didn't came to the point yet that it predict the result of the live matches and accurate to this.

from what i heard, artificial intelligence will be able to collect various information from the internet and carry out in-depth analysis and provide predictions according to what they collect. this means that ai technology itself still relies heavily on the information it collects to be able to make predictions about a match.

i myself have no problem using ai technology to be able to analyze a match, but i would probably think twice about relying on it, because after all there are things that make me more confident in determining my own predictions, and ai technology is just that. supporting technology only.

Quote from: cabron on April 08, 2024, 08:46:47 PM

There has to be some sort of data gathering in which supercomputers will use as basis for their predictions.

Though this may be the case, I still think that relying solely on supercomputers for our bets in sportsbetting is still NOT recommended due to its nature. If supercomputers are indeed reliable, then everyone would have been using it which would render sportsbetting not profitable in any case.

At the end of the day, gambling is luck with an application of skill in some platforms and games. Sure, there may be times where we can increase the percentage of us winning but there will NEVER be a time where we would accurately predict 100% sportsbetting.

Quote from: Adbitco on April 09, 2024, 08:44:11 AM

Or we can say that if the developer is good, the AI is also good. The devs didn't put information inside the AI but the AI seeks them in the internet. You already said earlier that AI are able to predict and they can also fail, meaning, winning is definitely possibly in them. In gambling, we all know that luck can also matter, so even if the AI isn't really good enough, the bettors who depend on them can still get lucky and win. Gambling isn't beyond humans, when in fact it was also the humans who invented and organized them. They can do manipulations in order to secure a win, if they really wanted to. Super computers on one hand are so advanced and maybe it is really possible for them to crack an outdated casino software.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Do you remember during ICO time how many companies were abusing words - blockchain, cryptocurrency, innovation, decentralization and etc...? In 2024 it's the word AI that's abused. How does the AI (supercomputer) predicts who will win the Champions League or Premier League? We enter old and recent statistics into it, we give a different coefficient to different values of statistics and then the computer mathematically calculates which team will more likely win the game according to given statistics. That's how it works, it can't magically predict anything.
I amn't gonna make myself dependant on predictions generated by supercomputer but they worth the check. They can process given data very well and save much time.

Super computers or what, predictions are simply guesses which means nothing is assured and to the same reason, I'd choose to just base on my own to avoid regrets afterwards given the fact that there's no other to blame if ever it would be a losing bet. It is like allowing some other people to use waste your money and I can do it on my own. If such thing really has high rate of winning tendency then many people should be rich by now or by that time it would be introduced. No gambling provider would also be encouraged to continue their operation because they would be prone from abuse and it will cost a huge amount of money from them. People are just so desperate of gaambling that we end up thinking of a way to save us from consistently losing however, we should at least accept this idea before engaging in gambling industry.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

Predictions are wild guesses that were backed up by some factors. It shouldn't be a question if those are reliable or not.

These predictions will just show the possible outcome of the match. The only advantage of these AI or sort of, about making predictions, they have the tools to access different sources making the analysis much more complete and well-detailed.

Rather than rely on these predictions, to the point we will stake a bet for it, why not just collect instead the data that they will provide and apply it to our analysis? The information provided by these AI is a big help and a good reference while we make our own analysis.

AI or supercomputers cannot predict the human mood, fatigue, injuries, players stamina from time to time, red cards, etc.
That factors are important in every match and we only can see it directly when the game is running.
So this AI prediction is actually just ordinary but better than the animals that predicted the World Cup such as Paul the Octopus, Nelly the Elephant and many more.
And dont forget, AI also takes data from Google. Any clubs which have more positive news (whether true or false) than the other clubs in the Champions league, then that clubs will be recommended by AI.

It depends on the computer's accuracy. I'd be willing to give it a try and watch how well it does and then get an average out of 10 or more predictions. If the computer is betwen 40 and 60% that's completely normal, a human can do it. If it's above 60% I'll give it a try, but there's a thing to consider.

When it becomes really accurate people will not bet against it, meaning that the odds will get messed up. Who would want to bet $100 knowing the win is $110 just because so many people bet with the computer there's no way to make big money this way. You'll be putting a lot of money on the line for a small win, knowing the computer isn't always right.

Normally even predictions coming from so called gambling experts tend to have loss as it's status. So how then can I even trust an AI that was invented and it's codes were written by a human. I prefer personal predictions than predictions from others because my wining status can be encouraging most times. I'm not saying AI predictions would be a complete failure NO! All I'm saying is, we have to be careful when thinking of going extra miles just to get a win. But you can actually use an AI prediction to compare with your own prediction to see the possibility of winning that ticket/ bet.

I think the use Supercomputer and AI tools for gambling prediction will not favor the gamblers but might the casino and it will not work in sport betting. Something that human could not predict. All those tools are created by human and human can't predict sport games so the created bots or robots can't predict as well and I will not rely on those technological tools to bet on sport games because definitely I know that I will not win because they are not seeing the future and they are also using guess work as human. So all still depends on luck.
And instead of using those artificial tools, I will prefer to use human prediction because human can give different prediction while the artificial tools predict only one channel of prediction.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

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Do you think these predictions are reliable?

One thing the super computers and AI bots have in common is that they were both man made and developers installed whatever software as much as they worked on the coding and algorithms to ensure that whatever data is predicted follows a past and present analysis based on performance.
Its obvious the supercomputer would predict the most favorite teams according to even analysis given by human spectators and commentators to win, because it has been fed the right data and algorithms as much as these humans have witnessed more matches to make them have a clear insight on how things can play out in the end.

If I were so lazy or I have not been in the betting line for long due to some reasons, it would make sense that I rely on super computers to help me predict so I don't lose much and in the process I have more time in my hands to engage in other more meaningful activities.

Quote from: coolcoinz on April 09, 2024, 07:19:43 PM

I think if a supercomputer can make really important tips to players, then this section of gambling will lose its complete meaning. This niche will fill up quite quickly, because not a single player will restrain himself from this and will start throwing all the money there. Of course, the first players will be able to earn money, but it will take minutes before the bookmakers will replace this. Moreover, I think that they exchange various information about this, because if something like this is discovered, they could go bankrupt, and they cannot allow this. They want their business to work and bring them money for as long as possible, so they care about such things.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Yes it is becoming obsolete. The world is advancing in technology and awareness looms around younger generation. I believe on the game prediction by supercomputer because over the years AI supercomputers have been of help to human by solving multitasking works and proven by human to be an excellent toll to help in facilitating activities because the world is advancing in technology. So there is a possibility that supercomputers will do better.

I wouldn't consider this something significant unless we can see in the long term that there can be realistic prediction potential above just random chance.
But still, what's the fun. If AI and supercomputers have any better chance at predicting games, how much better would this margin be? 1%? 5%? Even it it's 5% higher than just random chance, will you keep following all of their bet suggestions to get the small profits? Do you have enough patience and capital to do that? Maybe in an automated sense it'd make sense economically. But even still if you're the only one making the right prediction it makes sense, but if everyone does the same predictions, the odds shift and you lose your advantage almost completely.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Same old prediction like every other person and I don't see any strong base to why the prediction would be if not base of normal stats that me and you can also gather and one thing about soccer that I really don't believe when people or AI tools starts predicting it's outcome is that there are so many factors that can actually influence the possible results and one of those things are an emergency red card or even unexpected injury to a player in any of the teams.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

It's just the same as the usual sports analyst predictions - nothing special.

Supercomputers or what you call them, have no way to predict what's the "exact" thing that will happen since there are game scenarios that can happen in actual games. What they give as a set of predictions is just a product of their followed algorithm.

I'd rather stick with a real sports analyst that discusses the details of their prediction.

They are only basing on the data or information found in cyberspace. The actual conditions of the game and other factors such as the current skills of the athletes, their game plan and others may not be included in how these supercomputers or AI will determine the outcome of the game. But reading their predictions may give you good insights on where the game is heading at. There is nothing wrong in reading those predictions. It can even provide you some good angles you forgot to consider on that particular game. Also, don't take it as the ultimate source of determining your bets. Assess the game itself and check what kind of bet do you think you can make the most profit of.

I think we always need to take into consideration anything that helps us predict the results of games, if the computer analyzed all the data it has available and came to the conclusion that team Z has a 60% chance of winning, for example, then We also need to take this data into consideration when we want to bet on team Z and reinforce the analysis carried out by the computer, which consists of watching videos of the last 5 games of team z against its opponent and against other opponents and looking at how team z behaved when they were with their best and worst squads and then we can compare whether the computer is still right in giving a 60% chance of victory. We can't ignore what the computer says, but we also can't bet just based on what the computer says. This is the same scenario that we have in bookmakers where they place odds on the favorite, but this does not mean that we have to bet on the favorite because the bookmakers set low odds and analyzed that game. we need ourselves to analyze the game and decide on our own

Asking if this predictions are accurate or not is not the problem, the fact most people believe predictions like this sound strange. I'm not against the supercomputer, predictions can be done by anyone besides this is a digital era so we should be prepared to see more of this. I still don't believe cause computers can't give an accurate prediction concerning a football match, some predictions can stand as lucky ones but the moment people start relying on this predictions most people will end up regretting at the end. I know of few people who use bots to bet, sometimes they get lucky but I can never trust a computer 100%

Quote from: Miles2006 on April 09, 2024, 11:08:13 PM

One can never trust a computer one hundred percent when comes to predictions on sport, because a simple fact: it does not matter who powerful the computer is, it will never have full access to the information going on live in the match and there are going to be unpredictable variables within the match which cannot accurately be predicted by any machine. That is why even why this computer gives it's predictions in percentages, because it is likely it is not trying to predict the future, but rather analyzing the past performance of the teams and giving some approximate percentage of success for each one of them.

That kind of analysis is not rocket science, can be done by anyone with enough information and a lot of free time to condensate the results onto a spreadsheet.

Quote from: Miles2006 on April 09, 2024, 11:08:13 PM

I agree that computers will not be able to achieve high accuracy. But they manage to gather some variables and from there refine a model to be able to make predictions. There are many variables but with just a few they can try to have something. Forecast is different from reality, it is a trend.

Supercomputers making predictions are based from dozens of available information online. The same information we bettors wanted to but most of the time we do not have the luxury of time to spend hours calculating all the stats from players to the overall team performance.

Should be depend on their predictions? It actually depend on how we see things. Are those predictions reliable? Of course, it's reliable and as we can see it's just at par or close to the available betting odds. Overall it is a good basis on to make bets. Betting companies are most likely using them which is why they are also adjusting the odds.

I think one aspect where AI are better than humans ...is with human emotions influencing our decisions. Let's say you are a huge Manchester City fan and they are playing a strong team, then human emotions might influence your betting decision.

AI takes source data.... process it and spits out the result, there are zero emotions involved. Now, we know those computers use source data that are created by humans, so some people might say... Garbage in... Garbage out.... right. ???

Will I use AI to plan my bets... for sure, because it forms part of my research to quickly process the mass of information that are out there. (Example : Question : How many games have Manchester City played against team X and how many of them have they won in the last 2 years.)

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

I am not sure how reliable these predictions are at the moment, but over time the supercomputers will become better at predicting sports game. The question is then how this is going to impact the betting industry. Would anybody still bet money on a match where the supercomputer already knows the outcome before. Maybe the access to these supercomputers will be limited and the general public has no access to it. Or you might need a subscription to get full access in real time to any predictions. The problem is than that the bookmaker would be struggling to create enough diverse bets if all the people would just pick the winners. Either the odds would have to change drastically or the bookie is at risk to go broke. I think that once better predictions are publicly available all the gamblers would start following it, so it would make sense to hide them behind a paywall to not ruine the betting markets.

Quote from: Miles2006 on April 09, 2024, 11:08:13 PM

Trusting on supercomputers prediction or not, all are thesame because human prediction is not %100 assured. also supercomputer (AI) is not %100 guaranteed. whether you chose to trust AI or not, all are still thesame. but if supercomputer is used to predict gambling, people will prefer it to most human prediction. For several years now people have been looking for a better prediction to have more wining in gambling after countless loses. Any new developments will be considered, people will test run it for some years and compare it with human prediction. And come in conclusion between both, the best to chose amongst them. Though human will be much prefarable to AI because human can analyse game in different focal point maybe a new player signed to the Club may be a good reason for predicting a particular Match to win, while AI will judge a club by it previous games not knowing that a single player attached to a club can change the history of a club. Or the match Prediction.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

AI (Artificial Intelligence), doesn't exist in the form of intelligence. There is nothing intelligent in AI, it's just a software that unites bunch of algorithms and takes decision by following the rules of given algorithms. It's not capable to think creatively, out of frames, it only follows certain pattern. So, to my mind, predictions by supercomputers are generated according to given data and I don't think it's anything we should make ourselves dependent on.
Could any supercomputer predict that Girona would be number 1, 2 or 3 in La League chart? No! Supercomputer would advice you against this! And we all know without a supercomputer that Real Madrid, Barcelona or Athletico Madrid is going to win it anyway.

Quote from: Mauser on April 10, 2024, 06:18:12 AM

The predictions are solely depends on statistic and the crowd, since many Premier League is overrated and Manchester City won Champions League in the last season, it's not surprising the AI predict the winner would be either Manchester City or Arsenal.

Don't worry about bookies, before the public know to get the statistic and predictions, the bookies already know that. If the bookies didn't know about the statistic and they wrongly evaluate the odds, they will going to bankrupt ASAP.

Let's think together...
Suppose there is a supercomputer, a powerful artificial intelligence that very accurately predicts the results of matches. What will happen if the forecasts of such a supercomputer are made public?
A large number of players will place bets in accordance with this forecast, but as a result, no one will make a big profit. Thus, such a supercomputer or powerful artificial intelligence can be used effectively only if it is under your complete control and you have the opportunity to solely use the results of its activities. In this case, most likely the fact of the presence of such forecasts will be detected very quickly and casinos and bookmakers will take appropriate measures.
But in any case, you and I will not be able to use such forecasts....

A supercomputer might give us a possible prediction, but we wouldn't have the fun of the door itself. Betting on gambling games by predicting them yourself is much more fun. So those who gamble just for fun will never rely on supercomputer predictions and try to make predictions on their own and take the fun out of gambling. however, those who use gambling for income can use their perception as well as supercomputer predictions to increase their betting potential for winning. but nothing should be completely trusted when it comes to gambling. And always gamble with a fixed budget

Quote from: Churchillvv on April 08, 2024, 08:47:53 PM

This supercomputers are just capable of doing maths that are automated on it by the manufacturers and whatever that has to do with humans are always very confusing as we humans do not even trust ourselves to our next minutes, hence no matter how smart this computers become I don't believe they will have any accurate predictions.
What we can see from this supercomputers are that they depend on the opinions or the suggestions of humans to make their predictions, and as long as this gambling related stuffs aren't mathematical/scientific computers will find it very hard to make correct predictions because they will depend on our biased opinions and observations to make their predictions.

Because, how unpredictable human beings can be at times, I think even human predictions can go wrong at times and we also make predictions after we do research and analysis just like how an AI or a super computer would do it but they do it at a higher pace than us and it may analyse everything a bit more accurately than us since it doesn't have a brain but it operates based on algorithms and codes that have been written to perfection by humans so that it works very well.

There is no doubt that no one can predict the exact things that might happen in the future, and it's also true that AI models and supercomputers don't do anything themselves but they are fed with data that they process and then come up with results based on the provided data. So, their predictions can also be wrong.

Quote from: Kakmakr on April 10, 2024, 06:12:13 AM

Will I use AI to plan my bets... for sure, because it forms part of my research to quickly process the mass of information that are out there. (Example : Question : How many games have Manchester City played against team X and how many of them have they won in the last 2 years.)

I will be surprised if people think data collected by instruments are unreliable unless the instrument is faulty. Most of the time they just blame how data is being misrepresented or abused to suit one or two narratives. Personally, I won't use AI or any tool to blindly ask how likely is Man City going to win the title without adding more detailed indicators. For example, whether the team is similar to the past or not, whether the competitors are the same, how their form in the last 10 matches or so, how's the point progression compared to the seasons before, etc. I mean, you can't say these stats are that meaningful when they swing wildly after a game is finished since you can't really quantify team motivation, interpersonal relationships, etc.

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I would not trust these things, because I know that AI has amazed many people in the world, so much so that they use it for almost everything, doing research, jobs, among other things, but they do not understand that AI is a way of searching with filters on the internet, that is something that does not give me confidence, because I still do not see the "intelligence" I only see that they are very tabulated answers and that they look like a theft, it is like searching with Google with many gfilters, but that is something that We cannot see well, because the investigation method is different, so the employees are surprised.

In betting I will always trust my own criteria and my own backups, and my research, perhaps if super computers and quantum computers come out, it will take a long time for them to change generations.

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Quote from: Churchillvv on April 08, 2024, 08:47:53 PM

There is no doubt that no one can predict the exact things that might happen in the future, and it's also true that AI models and supercomputers don't do anything themselves but they are fed with data that they process and then come up with results based on the provided data. So, their predictions can also be wrong.

That's exactly my point. We provided the data's that supercomputers use to theorise their results, and with this, humans are so much biased when giving out informations (data) based on our favourites, feelings and emotions can influence our perspective and informations that we can give out hence for this supercomputers to do well on and give an accurate predictions it will require us humans to be objective and not subjective with the informations (data's) which is never possible.

With this major point I seem to believe that AIs, Supercomputers etc can not give an accurate predictions but can a close to correct because at some point the informations will surely be slightly correct hence it's a chance for us to use them. But in the cost of using an automated machine for predictions we should influence this predictions with our biases a little bit in order to be line always.

Quote from: Davidvictorson on April 08, 2024, 08:56:02 PM

By supercomputers I think we all agree that it is AI.
Well for any predictions, it depends on probability and mathematical and statistical equations based on past records and present form. It is no different from what a professor or STEM student who is interested in gambling would do. There's already some AI components embedded in some Sports books websites and many people depend or count their analysis as reliable.

But not all AI are reliable.. it's reliability and accuracy is dependent on its features and how much you pay for it.

In general, I don’t see AI highly reliable in gambling. Although there are instances that supercomputers are helping gamblers to derived at its best prediction, but that doesn’t happen all the time. Maybe it also depend on what type of game you are playing, but based on my own perception, once you risk your hard-earned money, it’s still best to bet following your own educated guess or prediction, and not just rely on supercomputers alone.

Quote from: danadc on April 10, 2024, 08:45:37 PM

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In betting I will always trust my own criteria and my own backups, and my research, perhaps if super computers and quantum computers come out, it will take a long time for them to change generations.

You do have to believe in what you do yourself, you don't always have to follow the predictions of super sophisticated tools that are still not necessarily correct.
Now everything is still oriented with AI, so every prediction can also be made by AI by looking at how historical data in the past, But gambling is not that easy to guess because every online casino has their own program, and it will always be updated.

Although using quantum computers is still no guarantee, but the current era still has no quantum computers that can be used commercially,
and the price is also very expensive.

It wouldn't be worth the gambling done, gambling was as entertainment in my opinion and I wouldn't think too long about how to get winnings.
Just use the allocation that has been limited and play according to our own instincts, winning or losing will only be an experience when gambling.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

In the betting or gambling sector, there has been an increase in the use of technology to make the game more interesting and profitable. Recently there has been news of a SuperComputer that can carry out complex simulations and give game predictions. Based on the Opta supercomputer prediction, Liverpool is the favorite to win the EPL with 45%, Manchester City with 33.6% while Arsenal has a 21.4% chance.
While in the Champions League, the SuperComputer had predicted that Atletico Madrid has the slimmest chance of winning with just 5% chance while Manchester City has the biggest chance with 41.2%.
Do you think these predictions are reliable?

I think in the field of sports, especially football, these predictions should only be a reference factor, it is only based on past and present data to make predictions. However, football is a sport with too many surprises and depends on many other factors such as weather conditions, referees, stadiums, cheering audiences, especially performance during competition of the players. And those are factors that supercomputers cannot predict. Sometimes, a team can win against a stronger opponent just because they have a higher spirit.

Supercomputer predictions can provide us with useful information, for example, through its predictions, we can also know how the past and present force correlation of the two teams, throught it helps us have an overview first. However, we then need to consider unpredictable factors as well as having a personal analysis to make the final decision. That is the most reliable decision.

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In the betting or gambling sector, there has been an increase in the use of technology to make the game more interesting and profitable. Recently there has been news of a SuperComputer that can carry out complex simulations and give game predictions. Based on the Opta supercomputer prediction, Liverpool is the favorite to win the EPL with 45%, Manchester City with 33.6% while Arsenal has a 21.4% chance.
While in the Champions League, the SuperComputer had predicted that Atletico Madrid has the slimmest chance of winning with just 5% chance while Manchester City has the biggest chance with 41.2%.
Do you think these predictions are reliable?

Yes, it makes total sense. As I said here previously, there are many variables and the most I see they can do is take some of these variables and create a model and over time refine it and who knows, maybe they will get something of value that really generates some prediction. But in the meantime, I agree that it should be used as a reference only.

It is reliable because they are using statistics that they can find on the internet but let's not be too leaning with an AI when it comes to sports. It can be unpredictable and if you are a fan of the sport then you have an idea about what I am saying. I am not a big fan of the sport but I do check the news especially if it becomes a trend. Remember that biggest upset in the world of football which is done by Saudi Arabia against Argentina with Messi? How much were the odds back then? I cannot remember but I do know Argentina was the heavy favorite and many football fans/gamblers lost their money in this game.
I bet even the AIs predicted that Argentina was going to win that game with a 90% chance and yet the impossible happened. Players can be off night, teams can be out of sync, and the opponent could be feeling better than the home players. It's a sport, and all of them are professionals so we cannot just underestimate them even if the AI thinks the favorite will mostly win. You will never know what could happen.

Quote from: Churchillvv on April 08, 2024, 08:47:53 PM

I highly agree that is why it is called prediction and not prophecy ;D. but take note supercomputers are very capable of recording history, performance and result of game. It is also capable of comparing data analysis between team although I would not entirely depends on supercomputer but I would make use of its resources and data for references. There are something that computers are able to analyse which somehow escape the minds of human.

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What we can see from this supercomputers are that they depend on the opinions or the suggestions of humans to make their predictions,

Depends on what kind of software or application these supercomputers are installed or program with. If the supercomputers is programmed to take the survey of people's prediction then what you are saying is correct but if the supercomputers application is dependent on data, result and performance of players, then it is way different from what you are saying.

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and as long as this gambling related stuffs aren't mathematical/scientific computers will find it very hard to make correct predictions because they will depend on our biased opinions and observations to make their predictions.

there are software that is programmed with logic where different data of analysis is input on the computer it is also the reason why there is an "if", "else" and "or" statement on the command line of the program to deal with certain logic involved. Super computers are also capable of identifying certain patterns and thus can produce a good predictions between team matches. But as the word stated, prediction is not 100% to come true since there are limitations and variables that is to be considered that can affect the result of the matches.

As I stated, I would rather make use of supercomputers as a reference for my predictions and not entirely depend on it.

That depends too, is the supercomputer's predictions at the 99% accuracy? Anything lower than that is definitely not a good reason to depend on them when it comes to predicting the potential outcomes despite being able to do ungodly amounts of calculations, human factor will always be unpredictable. Maybe if that supercomputer shows an impressive result that predicts perfectly even if the accuracy is lower then I'd still take it but knowing how supercomputer is, it's unlikely that you'd be seeing a lot of them in any households yet, they're the size of buildings and most of them are used for far more important things than just predicting what could be the next team that would win or what number's going to hit the lottery. Regards to those that are doubtful of the power of supercomputers, you don't know the depth of what they can do because they're the most impressive human object in my opinion.

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on April 09, 2024, 03:03:08 AM

The system is tougher but accompanied with backup strategy, a gambler will easily knot the relevant winnings and also have risks management when he's observing crucial changes. We have fixed matches in the system and we ought to understand how the system operates, there's more to handle than just mere witnessing these games. Statistics are mainly for clubs that have the consistent records and we're not holding back from claiming our points.

Quote from: danherbias07 on April 11, 2024, 03:11:07 AM

Yes, and I remember that there were predictions that Brazil would win or be runner-up in the last World Cup. Well, it wasn't even close to a good performance. So I agree that we should be careful with hourly predictions and in sports that have many variables

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Personally, AI analysis would be beneficial because it is driven by fast phase computed data and can easily summarize the findings but I won't make my whole decision solely from that. I would rather take the information that resonates with me, research on my own, then have my own conviction which one should I side on. Because in gambling, the only control that I have is the decision I am going to create before placing it. So I won't give it away to computers, I would rather do it manually and take the risk for the reward I am aiming for.

Quote from: Natsuu on April 12, 2024, 01:23:04 AM

If AI can gathers all information that we needs, that will helps us to finds the information to find the right team. But we must also search for the information by ourselves so we can knows what we wants to analyze. That will gives us more information to learns many things from the information and improve our skills in analyzing the information that we gets. It will also helps us to learns from AI about how to find the sources that can be our source to find more information. With helping from the AI, that will helps us to improve our skills so we can analyze the match and knows the right team to place the bets. We don't have to confuse where we must start because the AI can gather the information although we needs to clarify the information to find what we wants.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 12, 2024, 02:24:20 PM

That's what AI supposed to be, it only give you a statistic and help you to choose instead of to be used as final decision.

Human needs to be the one who make the final decision by evaluating the statistic, this is why some people say AI help them for their work, not like majority of people who complain AI should be stopped or AI will take over the world.

But I doubt if bookies didn't aware with AI, they should be the one who use AI and it will make the odds become more accurate with the risk to reward ratios.

Quote from: Solosanz on April 12, 2024, 03:17:21 PM

Human needs to be the one who make the final decision by evaluating the statistic, this is why some people say AI help them for their work, not like majority of people who complain AI should be stopped or AI will take over the world.

This is very true, one can help oneself with statistics, personally I have always said something, if we are generalizing with AIs they are tools for now, because for me this is just an automated response, for me AIs are not intelligence, They are just robots, and robots are not intelligence, they are a set of algorithms that aim to give quick answers extracted from the web, for me an AI is one that has all that ability to think and give the most appropriate response, use logic and be much more. detailed and specific, it is as if a human gave the answer, with that quality AIs do not give their point of view, AIs only give answers to what they ask for and sometimes the answers are very generalized, that is why it is very easy to determine when it is or is not an AI.

Quote from: Pumared on April 12, 2024, 12:39:28 AM

Gambling wins are not only determined by analysis because luck also plays a vital role. In that last World Cup it would have been hard to believe that Saudi Arabia will beat Argentina, Cameroon beat Brazil and Morocco will get to the semi-finals. I don't think many people would have predicted it just as AI would have failed to predict it because historical analysis or statistics would have been useless

Quote from: Jawhead999 on April 12, 2024, 05:41:48 AM

No, AI only use past history to predict the future, while the future isn't only depends by history.

Leverkusen is one of the example, I doubt there's someone will predict Leverkusen will win Bundesliga from the beginning season, people will predict it's either Bayern Munich with 90% chance or Dortmund with 10% chance.

So this make AI is useless in forecasting.

From what I have gathered from this thread, Artificial intelligence could help to analyse games using statistics and history but it is now up to humans to make the final decision. These AI tools could be very helpful in giving us quick statistical feedback but as humans, we have to do the reasoning before using these AI-powered predictions. I don't think machines can ever replace the mental capacity of humans.

A supercomputer can only make predictions by data analysis and formula analysis, so it cannot justify how well a team will perform. A supercomputer or artificial intelligence will make predictions only by analyzing the past data of a team, so maybe in some cases the prediction is correct but in most cases the prediction will be wrong. For example, in the match between Real Madrid and Real Sociadad, the supercomputer may give 30% probability in favor of Real Sociadad, but in a match, 100% probability may be in favor of Real Madrid. So no matter how well the supercomputer does the analysis, the supercomputer does not have the ability to do a complete analysis on a team.

Quote from: Solosanz on April 12, 2024, 03:17:21 PM

But from the statistic that we gets from AI can helps us to determine which team that we can select. We can also analyze more deeper from the statistic if we wants to know more from the information. Yes, I agree that we must decides by ourselves and not just depends on the other sources to decides. The statistic that we gets from AI can gives us a way to learn the analyze so we can improve our skills better.

Bookies will not lets that happens and will do something. They don't wants to see their business ruins because of the AI. They will use AI to prevents that so they can still gets profits from the gamblers. This will becomes a fight between the gamblers and the casinos and the gamblers will trying hard to find the best AI that can helps them to win.

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I am sure casinos will find a way to counter AI, and the most straightforward way to do this is to make use of AI themselves, after all AI depends on three things, the algorithm itself, the hardware in which it runs, and the data that you give to your AI so it can generate a new predictive model.

And in those three aspects casinos are above the average player by a significant margin, so I do not think there is a lot of people which can make use of AI to beat them.

Artificial intelligence but made by humans, artificial intelligence will suggest you any team only considering the past statistics of the player but it is more acceptable to use your own intelligence than artificial intelligence in betting. Artificial intelligence will only suggest you from the information it has but when you try to use your brain to make predictions, the results will likely come in your favor. If a player suddenly gets injured, the artificial intelligence will give you a signal without you knowing about it, but this is definitely a minus point for you. We don't want to put pressure on our brain but if we put pressure on our brain then brain will suggest us something better.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

If the super computer could give accurate predictions as you claim then that shoud be something the house should worry about cause they'll begin to lose more funds while bettors win more, but on a second thought i doubt if the said claim AI would be 100% accurate, 40-60% might be considered because as we all know gambling is based on luck and good strategy so the AI might have good predictions strategy but one might be unlucky.

Take for instance in a game where an AI predicted Liverpool to win Manchester United, based on their recent stats Liverpool are far better than United no doubt and are even in a better position in their previous game Liverpool outplayed united but United managed to beat them at the extra minutes of the game, therefore you've definitely lost your bet while following the predictions of an AI.

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I agree and I've been saying this in this topic, it's very difficult to predict something with many variables. The best thing is to use some data with some variables and try to refine this model to the point of being able to predict something. But other than that it is very impossible to predict anything.

Quote from: Findingnemo on April 15, 2024, 08:32:04 AM

The future outcomes doesn't really has to be dependent on the past incidents so saying the predictions by supercomputer is going to affect the betting industry is just BS. There is no alternative to find the future other than time machine so don't worry about the sport betting industry until we get there also don't waste your money by trusting the calculations of finding the results of a game.

Because no one can know for sure what will happen in the future, of course we don't have to be influenced by supercomputer predictions and we can place bets according to our wishes and we don't need to worry about predictions that other people make and I agree with you entrusting predictions. what other people do only makes us waste the bets we place, because when we experience defeat of course this is very detrimental to ourselves and we never do anything other than just entrust our bets to other people's predictions and it is very different if we experience losing on bets we place on predictions we make ourselves.

Quote from: Churchillvv on April 08, 2024, 08:47:53 PM

Firstly, I will have to ask is it humans that are going to play this matches? If yes then you're likely to understand what I'm taking about.

Wow you burn it there mate , indeed the perfect question to ask the team that says gonna lose if they will allow this to happen?
Am sure with this Supercomputer prediction the team will do everything at its best to prevent them from losing.

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another correct mate, this computers are good at math and analyzing but they are not here to foreseen future , in short they can be right but they can also be wrong.

Quote from: Nrcewker on April 19, 2024, 04:03:57 AM

These supercomputers do nothing, but just predict based on past trends, player stats and playing conditions. This is similar to the AI models who predict the outcomes. If I have to invest or bet, then I will never risk my hard earned money on these machines. I would rather prefer to do calculations myself and place the bets. So yes, I won’t use supercomputers for the games in any circumstances.

Yes, but see that the returns they will give for your bets are very promising. And you are weighing in a small scenario, you cannot calculate thousands of data to place a bet. Anyone understands that there is practicality in this, whether it works or not is another matter.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

No matter the trends of innovations and technology in the gambling sector with the use of bots, AI, or supercomputers as you may call it, i don't think i can accept that they can make the very delivery output needed, some will tell you that they rely on the gambling prediction sites and from there they get their own tips from, while some will completely go against the use of such, i also see it as not too perfect enough when you're too dependent on the ways you adopts for gambling as your personal strategies in this manner

Quote from: wxa7115 on April 15, 2024, 03:16:54 AM

Yes, casinos will not lets that happens for some time. They will search for the newest technologies that can helps them to counters AI and do many things to make sure they can still make a profit. Although AI will grow and even evolve, that doesn't means casino will not do the same thing because casino will use AI too like the gamblers to prevents gamblers wins the money.

Even if many gamblers use AI to wins the games from casino, that will not makes many of them can really wins the games because many of them will fail and lose their money. Their money will belongs to the casino without have a chance to recovers their lose. They will not realizes about that and will search for the other ways to beat the casino even if they must try one by one of the AI to find the AI that works with their plan.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

We cannot solely depend on the supercomputer predictions while placing the sports bet. While supercomputers and AI can very much save our time by analyzing all the previous matches and performances of the teams/ players and give the best team to bet on but these computers cannot check the emotions, overnight weather conditions and overall sentiments and confidence of the teams. This is the reason they cannot predict the outcome 100% correct.

Right now, the odds shared by the gambling sites are also based on the AI results and we get the fewer odds for the favorite team but does the favorite and strong team always win? No.
The same will be the problem with super computers predictions as the history results do not mean that the future results will be based on that too.

Supercomputers are definitely good at predicting but this won't say that they are perfectly right. Perhaps, they have been built by humans and the data filled to them is from other sources. I'm sure, there is no data that has already been made ahead of time so this technology already knows the results. Therefore, even though we can say that supercomputers are reliable but when it comes to gambling predictions they can possibly be wrong because it was unpredictable. Because if we can imagine that this technology is accurate, I think there is a gambling site that will survive when all the players have won.
That is why I'd rather depend on myself over others and I can make decisions without depending on technology.

Predictions are always what they are and this is not the first time predictions of various kinds are talked about including through animals of which some were right at some points and wrong at another point because they are all predicting and no one is certain of what will happen in the future. To predict, you have to use the history of the past to try to know how it will replicate in the future and that is analysis. Therefore, supercomputer is also a product of human being imputed with such ideas of predictions using variables of the past to determine the outcome of the future but the challenge is that future occurrence can not be adequately known because some other interventions can happen along the line. Like for example if a team plans to feature all their 11 best players and on the last training day before the match then two of them got injured, of course it will affect the team performance and by then prediction would have been made on the team and match. And usually, book makers predict odds for teams based on their previous performance but it doesn't really happen that way all the time, there have been big teams with small odds being defeated by small teams. It still has the luck factor with supercomputer prediction.

Quote from: Yamifoud on April 21, 2024, 05:53:18 AM

They do not have to be perfect, they just have to beat the house edge, take a look at the weather report you can watch every day on the local news, are the predictions given perfectly accurate? No, but they give you an idea of what weather can you expect for the day and the rest of the week.

And if the weather conditions are rather extreme then it is more likely for the forecast to be right, so even if I complain sometimes about the accuracy of the forecast, there is no doubt it is quite useful, and the same is true for the predictions AI can generate given enough data.

Quote from: 348Judah on April 20, 2024, 01:45:47 AM

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

For many this is outstanding, of course when talking about supercomputers and AI, everyone is surprised, but why? That's what's fashionable, and also when you talk to a person about supercomputers and technology that has to do with quantum things, that sounds great to many people, and even more so if it's accompanied by AI, for example So when you put all this in place, anyone who doesn't know much will give up, but so far AI and supercomputers can't predict what's going to happen, so far that's what's been said and the truth is. I think there is still a lot to develop, so I think what has been said so far about these tools is right.

Quote from: Gozie51 on April 21, 2024, 06:26:49 AM

From what I understand, since one can't be 100% successful in gambling always then I think the supercomputers can be 100% accurate as well, maybe the could give clues of a teams strength, form or stats. Those are clues that could help one make their predictions but it doesn't mean that an individual would always be successful when they depend on them, there are sometimes that the supercomputer have predicted that a certain team would win the league title but they didn't end up winning.

Luck factor plays a very big role in gambling, like in the match between Manchester United and Coventry yesterday, a good number of people would've played Manchester United to win cause they're in the EPL, have a better squad and stand more better chance despite they're way, well they scored 3 goals, but Coventry got lucky to equalize and the people who predicted United to win all lost their bet. But those who predicted draw or x2 were lucky to win their bet.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

I don't and would not like or want to undermine the ability of these super computers but then i still will not want to place so much dependency on them because i know for sure they are not error free just like the human tendencies always playing out in our predictions and other activities, there could be some technical lapsis that could aswell give room for possible Chances of some error although they may actually be very minimal but then it's not a very good idea to totally depend on the results and predictions of such tools and super computers because once you get used to them you begin to develop dependency on them which may one day turn out against you and you may lose much more than you can be able to bear.

The premier league predictions by the super computers as stated by you is actually not even Looking like what can actually get to happen because looking at the performance and the current stands on the table, Liverpool is appearing with the least chance but then the AI is saying other wise and this is why you can't put total dependency on it.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

AI cannot be absolutely reliable. It can calculate many options for the development of a particular event and give you the highest probability. But it is impossible to say for sure that its result will be correct. This is not mathematics, this is gambling and sports. Here one centimeter can decide the outcome of the game, it is impossible to calculate.
I would certainly use artificial intelligence, look at what it offers, but make the decision myself. I think that AI can help a lot, but the responsibility will always be on the person who makes the bet.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

No, I believe and believe that Al was programmed by humans, so it is impossible for a tool or object to be smarter than its creator, that's the point, even though some of the things predicted by the tool are correct, I think it's just a coincidence.

I have seen my friends who use Al in gambling, honestly there is nothing fun and all the sports predictions said by the tool are wrong, believe it or not, artificial intelligent tools don't know what hasn't happened yet, because the tool is programmed to make it easier for someone to find information.
For example:
Question: what teams/clubs are betting on today.
Maybe he will answer correctly, because the information is clear.

While the game has not been played, I think I don't know it, after the game is finished maybe, that's why I don't believe Al in gambling predictions.

Quote from: Zigabel on April 22, 2024, 12:48:51 PM

The premier league predictions by the super computers as stated by you is actually not even Looking like what can actually get to happen because looking at the performance and the current stands on the table, Liverpool is appearing with the least chance but then the AI is saying other wise and this is why you can't put total dependency on it.

Let us know that The Opta Supercomputer predictions at a certain time is not the final predictions. What happens is that the supercomputer periodically predicts the winner of the EPL through 10,000 times simulation of the season and gives predictions based on the current performance of clubs. So you wouldn't expect that the prediction that Liverpool will win the league is final because the predicted winner of the league as of September last year was Manchester City. It is based on the current position and performance of these clubs that the supercomputer gives the percentage of chances of every team. These computers basically collect relevant data, analyze them, and predict based on their findings.

Quote from: Zigabel on April 22, 2024, 12:48:51 PM

There is a consensus from some of the readers that these supercomputers can only assist you in making decisions because they can analyze games within a short period and these analyses can be accurate. But these gambling tools shouldn't take the place of human judgment.

Quote from: shivansps on April 22, 2024, 01:12:22 PM

I do not understand where this obsession with perfect accuracy comes from, because if you really begin to dig a little bit about it you will realize there is nothing that can be predicted with such certainty.

What matters are the results you can obtain, and one example of this is trading, where traders are nowhere near to predict what the market will do all the time, and at the end they do not care, because as long as they can make more money than what they lose, they can accept losing a few trades here and there.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

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In the betting or gambling sector, there has been an increase in the use of technology to make the game more interesting and profitable. Recently there has been news of a SuperComputer that can carry out complex simulations and give game predictions. Based on the Opta supercomputer prediction, Liverpool is the favorite to win the EPL with 45%, Manchester City with 33.6% while Arsenal has a 21.4% chance.

While in the Champions League, the SuperComputer had predicted that Atletico Madrid has the slimmest chance of winning with just 5% chance while Manchester City has the biggest chance with 41.2%.

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

To be honest, I will say that since supercomputers can do real time analysis, their predictions will be much like professional game predictors, but the results of prediction will be obtained from them with accurate data. But we have to also remind that gambling is all about the luck because some we see that a weak team unfortunately won against a strong team for example we can say about the previous world cup final match between Soudi Arabia vs Argentina, No one know or believe that Argentina will loss that match.
Anyway I want to say that, no matter how well artificial intelligence with super computer predicts, there are some things that no one has control over, especially players' behavior changes or players' injuries or weather effects. So I think that even the super computer can predict well but depending on it, you should thought that every time you will win.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

To be honest with you, I can not rely on this predictions predicted by that supercomputer or whatever it's called, most especially, for the English premier league which is one tournament I've been following ever since the beginning of this season, Arsenal is looking to have a way better chances then even Manchester city, I can't say the same For Arsenal verses Liverpool, but then for now, I would say this two clubs have equal chances of winning the title this season, atleast, at the moment.

And back to the main topic of discuss, I will not completely rely of predictions made by super computers, reason being that, computers only work with previous data that is or was made available to them, they can not work with future data, because to them, such data don't exist yet.
And also, computers don't take the concept of luck into consideration, and we all know that luck alongside the players skill level, also plays a very important role in determining the outcome of some games, this is some thing I don't think machines or computers take into contest, like I said before, computers only work with data from previously played matches, it uses this data predict what the outcome of a future match would be, and you and I know that most of the time, dependence on previous data to determine who to bet on in a sports game usually fail, because one thing that is constant in life is change, nothing remains the same forever.

lets see how the accuracy of those machine prediction first, i mean in my opinion, all the things that factors to the victory of a team all can't be represented into a math, i might be short sighted but its all pure luck also have a role in this regard, these machine only good at showing the chance of win, but what you gonna do with that chance? for example if liverpool has 45% rate of winning EPL, well what gonna happen could be very well the remaining 55%, same thing with other, but we can also see the accuracy of the machine by just comparing it to the real world event that happens.
see whether its prediction could at least reached more than 80% then we might talk about how to use this machine to make prediction on these football matches and so on.
but honestly right now i still don't believe it, if its just giving analysis and we can use that analysis to our advantage by gathering as much information as possible then it does make sense but doesn't mean we can do something with the winning chance rate since at the end of the day its all about win or lose.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on April 15, 2024, 03:16:54 AM

Just to put it simply like this, just like many people use AI to write reports and comments, there will also be tools to check whether those reports and comments are created by AI or not. While some hackers create viruses to steal information and user data on computers, there will also be people who create anti-virus software...So, never naively think that just by using AI or supercomputers we can win the casino and make money from it.

In addition, whether the prediction comes from AI or a supercomputer, in the end a prediction is just a prediction, there is no guarantee that using AI to predict will bring accurate results. Once we talk about the future, no one can know anything unless God appears to tell us about the future, and AI or supercomputers are not gods, they are just tools created by humans.

AI is built by Man, Casino is runned by Man, Gamblers are Human. It still revolves around Man. In essence there will still be means or alternatives to avert any possibility of gamblers winning with AI, of the truth AI doesn't guarantee your winnings, it still works within our range thinking of it as some powerful tool without flaws is wrong.

Casinos will still be part of the technological evolution, gamblers should be more concerned because, the casinos have resources to buy or build AI that can track down winnings or use any means to cut down gamblers winnings.

In gambling nothing is certain, we win by chance AI won't and can't change the system. It a game of predictions, AI will still do same. It based on personal take, if the predictions, strategies align with yours you can use it,vice versa.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Al can assist in all areas because it has been programmed for to carry the respective duties but when it comes to gambling the prediction of Al is not certain because gambling can never be predicted. Al does not have the real sense to tell what will happen in the future. If Al predict gambling it doesn't mean it will definitely come out to be a win. Al can only predict game just like humans, predict games based on past performance of the team and this is a thing good gamers can also predict. The prediction of Al is nothing special, it should not be something that gamers need to depend on so much because gambling is still unpredictable even with the use of Al.

Quote from: Rockstarguy on April 27, 2024, 12:17:32 PM

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

For basing on the data's given yes we can somehow rely on the words suggested by this technology. But it doesn't really mean that we should give our full trust with this especially if we try to aim or look forward for a sure 100% win since AI cannot guarantee to give this to us.

Much better if we double check the suggestions of AI then see the whole context if there's a basis especially for proper checking if there's something lacking on given ideas so that we can fill it and have good basis towards out next bet. Human actions towards this is always important and our knowledge digging is more helpful rather than relying on machine which is not give us any guaranteed result or any 100% satisfaction.

Quote from: sokani on April 27, 2024, 01:02:04 PM

This post was made on the 8th of April and from the turn of events in the both the EPL and the UEFA champions league, the supercomputer got the predictions wrong. While we've seen how impactful Artificial Intelligence is in transforming various sectors of the economy, they also have their limitations. Prediction are guesses, AI picks random data and comes up with a result. Looking at the EPL take right now, it'll take a miracle for Liverpool to win the league, the outcome of the above mentioned leagues is a good reason why we shouldn't base our gambling predictions on AI.

Supercomputers and computers in general rely on statistics and mathematics in order to get their predictions. These machines tend to forget to add in the human element in a lot of sports which is very crucial to the outcome of each match. Factors such as injuries and team morale are things that aren't easily expressed in math, so supercomputers won't be able to factor it in their computations.

I'd rather believe in my own predictions and be wrong rather than believe in AI predictions and be wrong without putting my input into any of the decision that was made.

Quote from: sokani on April 27, 2024, 01:02:04 PM

This is the proof that they can’t predict the future precisely, as they are also depending on the previous data available and of course, no one can predict the future even the AIs. If AI or even the supercomputer succeeded on this one, do you think gambling industry can stay longer where everyone can easily use the AI prediction and get it right? This is still too good to be true and even if its on sports betting, I still believe that predictions are predictions, no one can give you any guarantee on this.

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

These supercomputers are created in the concept of probability made easy, their analysis relies heavily on the data provided on their database, and some circumstances are not within their scope like if the major player of one team is injured and cannot play at the last minute.

Another one is in boxing, the Haney - Garcia fight. In all probability humans and AI point to Haney but when it comes to the fight night there are tiny details that are not taken into account, which resulted in Garcia beating Haney.

Not really, that never feels like a possibility for me. If there is a sport that has humans involved, then we could end up with anything at random and this is why I believe that we are not going to get anything like this working, because computers will just give you the probability, and no probability is 100%, we will never have that. We are going to end up with computers telling us which team is the better team or which player is the best player but we are not going to get the winner all the time.

Obviously we will have to check, if you have this kind of computer, and make a test where you see 100 bets of the computer, and calculate if you would be in profit or not if you followed its advice, then you may see that it was profitable and you could maybe start using after that.

On the question of Will you depend on game predictions by supercomputers? my answer is some but not the majority of my bet, the horse racing program I'm using has human and AI predictions and on comparison, both have their flaws, humans have an instinct and that instinct is something you develop when you keep on beating the same sports and that instinct cannot be found on AI, they are straightforward based on available data.

On horse racing there is a last-minute buzz and humans based on instinct and fast analysis can figure it out easily, like when a trainer creates a buzz that the favorite is not feeling well and you as a bettor can easily tell if he is bluffing or not,

Quote from: Fiatless on April 08, 2024, 08:30:49 PM

Do you think these predictions are reliable?

Nothing will ever be 101% reliable when it comes to sports prediction. Supercomputers (AI) or humans can have higher or lower winning rates, so that means you can't fully trust any prediction, especially not with all in (money you can't afford to lose).

I like to follow predictions from some people & sites (those are probably AI-generated), but when I do that it's because I agree with those predictions and I think they are good for trying, and I never follow them with some big amounts of money. I can't summarize my betting history because I don't keep any stats, so all I can say is that I have some good wins from following predictions from others, but I also faced constructive losses... when all my bets failed in the last minutes, or for one goal.

Quote from: FanEagle on April 29, 2024, 05:02:05 PM

And these supercomputers are also relying on all the stats that are available online. It's a big help because it makes quick and reliable research but as what you mentioned, the supercomputer will provide probabilities which means even the slightest 1% underdog also has a chance of winning. In sports there are days when a player has an off-night while there are also days when non-superstars perform like superstars.

Supercomputers predictions have higher chances of winning when games are broken down specifically. It's just too difficult to predict who will become the champion in a league consists of 30 or more teams.

Quote from: sokani on April 27, 2024, 01:02:04 PM

Even before this, it has always been evident that Artificial Intelligence isn't reliable when it comes to making bets on sports events and a lot of other stuff, and even the developers of certain AI models give this warning when you use their products that the generated answers are not always accurate and reliable. One should double-check the information before using it somewhere else, and this applies to predictions regarding sports events as well.

No matter how advanced an AI model might become, it will always work in the same way and that way is that it will process data that has been fed to it and generate answers and results based on that, it doesn't have a brain to think and come up with something new or think out of the box.

Quote from: 348Judah on April 30, 2024, 05:39:39 PM

I don't see any reason why i should depend my game on the use of any high definition computer system, i like making my gambling games all by myself, not because i don't see such as being fun to do with, but i consider using my own experience in making prediction in other for me to be able to assess myself well and understand more about playing a particular game in gambling, we don't have to be too dependent on its for our gambling experience, predictions are things we also can do if we are knowledgeable in gambling experience.

Precisely! that's also one of my thoughts about this, it is not required that we depend on what the system's prediction will be, about what will happen during the gambling session. As a person with trust issues, I rarely trust such a process, I would rather lose using my own predictions than lose because I followed what the system indicates, at least if I follow my own predictions and instincts, I have no one to blame but only myself. When it comes to gambling, that's why it's called gambling, right? You have to take a risk on what you will follow or choose, but you should know the possible consequences once you take a risk, and you need to have a full heart in the decision you choose.

Quote from: sokani on April 27, 2024, 01:02:04 PM

Strong take and I have to agree with it.
When it comes to prediction AI's cannot defeat the powers that humans have. Instincts. Sure, they will use game history, results, player's strength, and more, but those are just numbers that tell the outcome of the past games and not the now. Anything can happen and I have seen worse unexpected results happen in the sports industry many times.
There's a simple reason why even a heavy underdog can win a game. Both have professional players. Let's not forget this. The opponent of the strong team will always be pros and that means they can also defeat the favorites even if the odds show that they cannot. Too much underestimation can lead to many mistakes.

Quote from: cabron on April 08, 2024, 08:46:47 PM

This is exactly what I am thinking as well. Winnings through AI prediction is for me a coincidence of some sort because if that is legit then gambling platforms might get bankrupt if every single bettor uses AI and supercomputers to predict the outcome of the specific game. And I personally never heard of such news where in someone got a winning streak through AI predictions so yeah it's all a coincidence.

Quote from: redsun114 on May 01, 2024, 10:15:10 AM

No matter how advanced an AI model might become, it will always work in the same way and that way is that it will process data that has been fed to it and generate answers and results based on that, it doesn't have a brain to think and come up with something new or think out of the box.

To be fair we don't really need out-of-the-box thinking to predict which side will win a game, that's just how prediction inherently works. No amount of data can predict the future accurately, regardless of the algorithm that you used. I mean, I guess you can create some randomness to mimick how real people behave, but it will take tons of data for the same probability of making a wrong bet since the game can easily get affected by other things. On the other hand, stats are flawed in this case since they don't take into account that humans are playing the game, not every team is the same even though their name is "Bayern Munich" since the 90s, for example. CMIIW.

Quote from: sokani on April 27, 2024, 01:02:04 PM

I agree with you and indeed, even though everything is made as well as possible and the quality of artificial intelligence is well developed, there will always be failures in terms of predicting the results of a sports competition.
Accumulation will only be based on the performance of team at certain time, just like supercomputer or AI has an accumulation in predicting results that will only be based on the quality of the team when the artificial intelligence is working with is going on.
It is clear that Liverpool is predicted to have big chance of winning the Premier League title because at that time Liverpool performed very well and managed to top the standings and Manchester City is predicted to have a big chance of winning the UCL because they were champions and are still in good form.
But in reality everything failed, what was shown did not succeed in showing accurate results and if artificial intelligence was used again now then what would be shown would be much different from before.
I really surprised if anyone trusts artificial intelligence enough to predict the outcome of competition, it just temporary accumulation with no guarantee whatsoever.

Quote from: joniboini on May 01, 2024, 02:07:40 PM

Every gambler will predict the game based on their skills and knowledge.The experienced gamblers always different one compared to the new gamblers,the random betting mostly done by the new gamblers in the gambling site.So they trends to loss the game,but they should take responsibility of loss by using this to learn more about the gambling site.Using this knowledge one can earn the money in the future games in the gambling site.The gamblers who are ready to play the gambling with the both of the gambling possibility,So don't get more emotional weak after the loss in the gambling site.

Quote from: joniboini on May 01, 2024, 02:07:40 PM

On the other hand, stats are flawed in this case since they don't take into account that humans are playing the game, not every team is the same even though their name is "Bayern Munich" since the 90s, for example. CMIIW.

The gamblers playing the game with their statics,but the algorithm will change with respect to time.Some gamblers use the bot help to play the gambling game,but the winning or loss of the game will be find after the betting was made.The betting was made with the own tactics sometimes,Only few was successful in the game.

Quote from: FortuneFollower on April 09, 2024, 12:34:54 AM

I might consider a supercomputer's predictions, but there's something about the unpredictability of games that makes them exciting. Besides, adding a bit of human intuition to the mix has never hurt. Let’s just say, I’d take the advice but sprinkle a little of my own magic on top!

Exactly that prediction you added with your own head is what shows that the person knows what he or she is doing. Relying on machine prediction 100% won't lead the person anywhere; instead, it will make you place a bet on a game you don't even understand.

The more one predicts their own personal game using the machine prediction to see if they are in line, sometimes you completely abandon those machines suggestions and work on yourself. That way, you can discover a strategy that can work for you. Self-development is better than relying on outside help.

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Quote from: FortuneFollower on April 09, 2024, 12:34:54 AM

The ironic thing about all of this is that there are some people that are looking to use AI in order to not have to learn anything about gambling, however how do they pretend to teach their AI to make accurate predictions if they cannot make those predictions on their own?

The great advantage of an AI is that it could allow you to make predictions way faster than what you could do by hand, and it could also allow you to analyze more matches and improve your profitability this way, however it should be very difficult for a person to create an AI that can predict any outcome better than what they can do on their own.

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