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I have some devilish plan. Please don't consider that it will really working, although... who knows.

The economy can be imagined as some pyramid , isn't it? So that at the bottom layer there are buying-selling foods, real-estates and so on. On the top are science budget, NASA  and so on.
So, while on top are circulating relativelly small amount of money, on the bottom this value is really huge (so that we can say, that money is an energy of people who wants to still live).
Therefore while your currency is not being used for buy food or some room, it's actually just "a piece of paper", or just a bit of void in case of Bitcoin.

That being said, was a saying. Last summer we started on-line trading site of farming products for Russian market. So while it is still frozen as we have no investors, no ads, no much free time to develop it and so on. But, just recently I discovered Bitcoin and for me it just what I want to! Just imagine market, where farmer can sell ten tons of some product without banking routines (maybe via escrow), and in about couple of hours he can spend this money as he wants. I don't even say that we can offer additional services powered by bitcoins... Using Bitcoin as our private payment system, the exchange can be unique!

As you probably knows, Russia have "unlimited" space of soil and most of it are being used as agricultural base. I suppose grain is the second most demanded product after oil on the world markets... It means...

In sum, to make a profit we have to use Bitcoin. In the same time, if  we are successful, Bitcoin gain power to control the world, as it is being used on the bottom of economic pyramid } :)

What do think?

And the exchange:
http://bit.ly/flDfex

So you would be selling ag futures contracts in Bitcoin?

Not now. They will selling products from a stock.

I went to the website and couldn't make heads or tails of it, but as I was there exploring I was struck by what I was just doing.

As little as two decades ago, even if the Internet were available then, having this conversation about trade with players within Russian territory would have earned me a visit from the US Secret Service.  You kids probably have a hard time understanding a world wherein geo-political interests trumped free trade and business interests, but for the majority of my lifetime that was simply the way it was.  And we couldn't have imagined the world since the breakup of the Soviet Union and the rise of the global Internet.

As a child, we would have to regularly participate in 'drills' at school.  Wherein the children would either flee the classroom and huddle in the halls crouched into a ball, or under our desks.  As an adult, I rationally realized the shear futility of doing such a thing if the US had ever gone to war with the USSR; but as a child it was truly frightening.  I can understand how such propaganda could condition a majority of those children to ever distrust foreigners.  Fear is a huge motivator, particularly in children.  I have no doubt that the USSR used similar tactics with it's population.

Thank God for the Internet.

That says it all right there.

So is this a local market, like an online version of a "farmers' market"?  That's simply ingenious!

That bastard had nothing to do with it! Thank Vint Cerf et al (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc675)! :)

1)  His parents were married and...

2)  by my belief system, God gave mankind the minds of a maker, created in his image and all that.  You really didn't think that "image" referred to a old white man, did you?  Christ wasn't even white, but almost certain a fairly deep shade of brown. 

Not all libertarians are agnostic.  From my own experiences, the agnostic and atheistic subset of libs aren't even a majority; they just happen to talk more about it.

Ok, then thank God for the Holocaust!

Oh, it doesn't work that way, does it?

edit... That came off as more aggressive than I intended, but my point stands. Anyway, this is off topic and for that I apologize. I dislike religions for the way they prey on the young and weak, but I have no problem with individual followers as long as they don't try to push their beliefs on others.

Not usually, but it's a fair retort to my statement.  I suppose that it's fair to blame God for the great wrongs that his creation has done if it's fair to give glory for the other great deeds of his creation.


I'm not so easily offended.  And I'm a gnostic Christian, we don't evangelize.

I can say that fear of americans was rational. It have been not political games.  I think the Soviet leaders were at one time at the point from which there was no way back ... I don't know what save mankinds, but signs of this ... crazy age ... I see everyday here.

It's all make me thinking, that one ego (no matter, it is just a single person or a group) must not have access to control the world. That's why Internet (and Bitcoin)  is here, thats why we are using neural network to control our body. If a God create human beings, he probably a pretty good designer.

Actually, it was not futile:  http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/the-unexpected-return-of-duck-and-cover/68776/

Cool.  I've never met anyone who told me they were a gnostic.

I really like Jesus, for the most part, but I don't like all the Abrahamic baggage.  Frankly, I think Jesus needs to talk to his abusive father.   That's why I like the Gnostic gospels and some of the other alternative early Christian sects.  I also like the bits where Buddhism mixes with Christianity.

Would you mind sharing which type of gnostic you are?

hiro: By all means, please do it! Grain is the best backing ever from an investor's standpoint, better than gold. Oil reserves are depleting, and food prices might rise due to agricultural products being used to synthesize fuel. The traders will get a stable currency, BitCoin a more solid economy, win on all sides!

The thing is -- you may have a hard time explaining BitCoin to people who trade in grain, and to get things rolling. But if you manage to do so, this would be a great success.

I think there is much to gain there. "Normal" markets just don't know of the great possibilities of BitCoin yet. The question is just how to do it right.

You are correct... it works exactly like that...
The Bible is full of holocausts visited by God on his Chosen People...
Suffering builds character like nothing else.

But you miss the point of "God"...
You are a mere human... "God" is All-Powerful...
You are in no position to judge or understand "God"...
As a believer... your only option is to SUBMIT to God.

Or you can be an Atheist and ignore "God"...
While others may find benefit from a belief in God...
And membership in His spiritual communities.

It's a personal choice.

I don't mean to hijack the East European grain thread...
I'm actually very interested how BTC could impact the EE economy...
Especially on the farm and bazaar level.

I think this is a good idea but please consider carefully the energy costs involved in transporting grain.  It may have to be a very local project.

Says that russians are best at impossible tasks? So will wait until new type of engines would ready ...  :)

Maybe if you have engines that run on wheat straw.   ;)

That can be done.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2010/100409.htm

These guys get 93 gallons of ethanol from each ton of wheat straw.  Hypothetically, after growing your wheat crop and fermenting the straw and distilling it, if you were to load up your Deuce and a Half with wheat along with all the fuel produced, you could take 83 bushels approximately 2200 miles and back on paved roads.

Call me crazy or not adequate to reality, but I want to believe , there are even better ways to move around. This russian scientist developed device after many years of studying insects,  which allow him to fly on ... of course he died due to his experiments with unknown matter   :'( ...

http://www.bronzovka.ru/glava05_3/553e.jpg

http://www.bronzovka.ru/glava05_3.html (http://www.bronzovka.ru/glava05_3.html)

Um. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Grebennikov)
A time-warping force-field generated by the secret geometric power of chitin?  You don't say!  I think Time Cube (http://timecube.com/) sells those wholesale.

There is only one thing i want to add before any speculations: his insight was in mechanics of insect flyings, not material. As far as i can catch, this "force" based on electro-static impulses flowing through special geometric  structures. That is probably some of insects uses this mechanism.

He was trying to show his discovery in Ministry of Science , they said it was useless invention  ... He also figured out, that discovery of deeper moral laws is better than any other technical advantages ...

Although I agree it would be wonderful if this were real, I have to point out that we cannot see the back of his collar in the floating photo.  If I were to make a hoax website, I'd start with some obscure genius character that the Western world would not have heard of, and putting him into the former Soviet bloc is a great start.  And then photos like this, taken so that the reader's eyes are pulled away from the only part of the photo that a support cable could be seen and making certain that any such cable is not in the camera's view anyway.  Even if it were in view, such a photo could still be faked today using a few of those clear high-test fishing lines.

An evidence of this idea from several labs around Earth:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/liftbldr.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/liftbldr.htm)

Grebenikov claims he is not the first who did an working prototype, but he is a men, who very likely fully understand the mechanic (or at least just understand).
His site is HTML version of his book and he is not talking about technologies but wants to convey "Guys! Take care of this world - the ancient and fascinating world of insects, the infinite and unique pantry Mysteries of the Universe!"

The problem (and why so silence around it) is that this teches gives a (bad? good?) man absolute weapon or literally Power of God.

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