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Hey all...are there any boxing fans out there?  Big fight this weekend with Mayweather Jr. Vs Maidana.   Did any of you place any bets?   Mayweather is heavy favorite and will probably win by wide Unanimous Decision, but I put in a long shot bet on Maidana because of his punching power and he was +850 when I put my bet in.

If Maidana wins, I win a pretty good amount of money :)


Khan is probably going to lose again, and ruin his chances for the Mayweather sweepstakes as well...lol


As of 6/11/2014 here is my top 10 P4P List...  (they are all up for debate)

1) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2) Manny Pacquiao
3) Andre Ward
4) Timothy Bradley
5) Juan Manuel Marquez
6) Miguel Cotto
7) Guillermo Rigondeaux
8 ) Gennady "GGG" Golovkin
9) Wladimir Klitschko
10) Roman Gonzalez

#10 is highly debatable, as Mikey Garcia could easily be there.  Erislandy Lara, is also definitely on his way up, and Canelo Alvarez is working his way towards the top 10.   Obviously Bernard Hopkins could arguably be on this list.  

Edit 6/11/2014:   Miguel Cotto into the top 10 after dominating Sergio Martinez (now out of top 10) in lineal middleweight title fight.
Edit 9/18/2014:  Roman Gonzalez replaces Danny Garcia in #10 slot after his recent win, and Garcia's pitiful selection of opponent in Rod Salka.  Andre Ward moves down a slot due to inactivity.  Mikey Garcia slipping further out of the top 10 also due to inactivity.  

Approaching the top 10 is Sergey Kovalev and Terrence Crawford with their strong 2014 years.  Kovalev could possibly fill the #10 slot if he dethrones Bernard Hopkins in their light heavyweight title fight in November 2014

It has been a few years, so now I am going to make an update to the P4P list as of 6/16/2017

1) Gennady "GGG" Golovkin
2) Andre Ward*   (only bc he got a gift decision over Kovalev IMO)
3) Vasyl Lomechenko
4) Terrence Crawford
5) Sergey Kovalev
6) Roman Gonzalez* (could still be #1 but lost controversial decision)
7) Canelo Alvarez
8 ) Keith Thurman
9) Errol Spence Jr.
10) Manny Pacquiao *dropping due to inactivity



#1 is clearly debatable...a lot will be determined in the following months depending on Ward vs Kovalev 2 as well as Canelo vs. GGG.
Errol Spence's TKO stoppage of Kell Brook I believe propels him into the P4P discussion.  Spence Jr. vs. Keith Thurman or Terrence Crawford may be a superfight for 2018 or 2019

Please feel free to comment.  I also want to open the discussion for sports betting in boxing

No way, that is really cool...didn't think there would be anyone here...   Yeah I know that Mayweather is the smart bet...but I bet like $250 on Maidana to win over $2k.   Just a fun bet...not too much money.  Maidana destroyed Broner and comes at you with weird angles and throws over the top which could cause Floyd problems.

Who is your favorite fighter of all time?   Felix Trinidad was mine...

Tyson is one of my all time favs too, it's a drag that he got screwed out of most of his money by that swindler Don King.  Since he is a promoter now, I think he should join up with 50 Cent.   I think the two of them could do some big things in boxing, but each of them are kind of struggling on their own as promoters I think.

Obviously the two big ones Top Rank and Golden Boy control the scene, and because the two of them won't work together, we will probably never get to see Floyd and Manny fight.

you think Sugar Ray in his prime beats Mayweather in his prime?   Mayweather's defensive style and shoulder roll make everyone look terrible.   I would love to see GGG go down in weight to fight Floyd.

who do you put in your top 10 pound for pound right now?

I think that is a possibility, but then again how much would Sugar Ray even connect with Mayweather?

So you think he was the best ever in the weight class then?   You think he makes easy work out of Manny then?

Mayweather is not the best fighter in the world today unless he fight Manny Pacquiao. By then, the world proven who is the BEST. But for me Manny is the BEST pound for pound.

That fight would still be good today, but it would have been GREAT a few years ago.   That fight is impossible to make happen because of Bob Arum at Top Rank (Manny's promoter).   Mayweather used to be promoted by Arum, and since going off on his own, he said he would never work with Arum again.   Also Mayweather works closely with Golden Boy, and they won't work with Arum either.   So basically Manny would need to leave Top Rank for that fight to even have any chance in the world of happening.

Mayweather
Pacquiao
All time
Sugar Ray, Hearns, Hagler

Pretty good list...I think for current times, you almost have to include Andre Ward, and probably Sergio Martinez, and Timothy Bradley.  I guess by default, you have to include Juan Manuel Marquez because he knocked Manny into oblivion...  Gennady Golovkin is definitely working his way up the ladder too 

Mayweather vs Maidana is a boring fight like other mayweather fight. Jab, jab, run, run, run ,run rides bicycle, run, rides bicycle again. Maidana will not win unless he knock out mayweather. Mayweather owns the judges and referees.

The Marquez vs Pacquiao IV - I was totally surprise marquez was so strong that fight. Even with his age. It cannot be his urine. That was their fourth fight and the young marquez cannot even knock out pacquiao until that fight. He became like hulk. Then I found out Angel Heredia in his corner and I know the reason why.

Manny Pacquiao,I like him.

I'll agree that JMM looked way stronger after hiring Angel, but then you also have to admit how suspect it was that Manny was also running through all the weight classes. With boxing, styles make fights, and JMM is just a bad matchup for Manny. I dont think Manny won the previous fight, and it could easily be argued that he lost the other 2 as well

I really hope that the Gennady "GGG" Golovkin vs Julio Cesar Chavez Jr fight gets made.   Word has it that Bob Arum over at Top Rank is making it a condition of the fight to sign a contract extension.  This fight could fall apart completely if JCC Jr. signs with advisor Al Haymon

Bernard Hopkins could also easily be part of this list...

Tyson would have to be on the all time P4P list....  these are are all active fighters....

Lol!  Yeah, if it were an all time list, it would be waaay different...

anyone predicting an upset in the Molina vs. Broner undercard fight on the Mayweather card?   You can make some serious serious money if you take Molina...

Tyson has to be my favorite fighter of all
Time and I have to admit he is a great guy and very down to earth and it's a shame the old guy is broke now

He is super funny too.  I saw the coolest autographed frame of him.   It was a screenshot of Mike Tyson's Punch Out (from Nintendo), and it was autographed.   At the bottom (also inside the frame), was the actual Nintendo cartridge of the game... I wanted to buy it..

Mayweather to receive $32 million guaranteed purse; Maidana $1.5 million lol

Maidana needs to bet his purse on himself to win. He could 8x his money lol

ward, klitschko and marquez gotta be in the mix there

I mostly watch boxing when there is Wladimir Klitschko. He is impressive boxer, he has excellent movements, and he is with reason one of best boxers ever. At least for me.

Absolutely they do...check my original post...all 3 of those guys are in my top 10 p4p.   Anyone that you would swap out of my list?

Wladimir is one of the best heavyweights the world has seen in a long time.   His reach would have even give someone like Tyson a hard time.  Odd couple with him being with Hayden Panaterre (spelling?).

It's a bummer that there are no really good heavyweights from the United States.  Once Tyson and Holyfield were gone, the heavyweight division lost a lot of it's steam.  Lennox Lewis was ok (I know he wasn't from US), but no one from the US even close to challenges either of the Klitschko brothers. 

There is one prospect Deontay Wilder.   Keep an eye out for him.   I think he has a little over 20 fights and have won all of them by knockout.   He has yet to go past even the 4th round so far.   He hasn't been tested by any elite fighter yet, and is definitely not even in the same galaxy as Wladimir, but he is headed in the right direction.

1. Mayweather

2. Pacquaio

3. Ward

4. Wladimir Klitschko

5. Martinez

6. Bradley

7. Marquez

Thanks! You are the first to post a comparative list. Your list is very similar to mine. Who do you put in slots 8-10?

you think there is any chance for a martinez vs mayweather fight if both of them win their upcoming bouts?

Remember when Lennox fought Wladimir's brother Vitali?   That was like the last heavyweight megafight..   Vitali was definitely winning that fight, but it had to be stopped because of a cut over Vitali's eye.   I think Wladmir would have beaten Lewis.   I don't think that fight would have gone the distance though because both  of them had questionable chins at the time...remember?

I think the before jail version of Tyson would have knocked out Lennox Lewis as well.

I give it 7 to 5 to Maidana. Floyd lost, he looked slow and old. Floyd has been exposed.

My Updated P4P rankings after the completion of the Mayweather-Maidana fight…

1. Andre Ward
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Guillermo Rigondeaux
5. Timothy Bradley
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Wladimir Klitschko
8. Juan Manuel Marquez
9. Mikey Garcia
10. Gennady Golovkin

I guess on yersterday's evidence Maidana makes a decent case for inclusion to the P for P Top 10

Yeah, that was a really good fight.  Two of the Judges had it waaaay off.  No way in hell Mayweather won 117-111.  I thought Maidana won by just a little, but it could have been a draw (as one judge had it).

I exactly agree with your score.  Maidana was way more active.  Yes Floyd landed the much sharper and cleaner shots, but not enough of them to win.  Definitely not enough to win by such a wide margin as 2 of the judges had it.

I agree with this list right here...  It is tough to pull Mayweather out of the number 1 slot though, because on paper he got the win (even though I thought he lost).   Ward is so, so good, but his inactivity is gonna lose him some slots if he doesn't start fighting more soon.  I would love to see GGG fight Ward.  GGG will dominate Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. if that fight is made.   JCC is too slow for GGG.

If you guys could make any fights happen nowadays, who would you match up?

I would still like to see Manny and Floyd obviously, even though it'll never happen.

Would also like to see Ward vs. Golovkin.

I was looking forward to Adonis Stevenson vs. Sergey Kovalev, but Al Haymon messed that one up.

Wladimir Klitschko at no.7? He is the definitely the best fighter out there. Just because he is from the ex-USSR (Ukraine to be precise), the Western (American / European) media ignores him.

He's the best heavyweight hands down, but I don't think he's nearly the best fighter. There is almost 0 competition for him. The deepest divisions right now are 140, 147, and 154.

I think Timothy Bradley and Mayweather would be a good fight because Floyd rarely fights someone with fast hands.  The only person right now that I think could pose a huge threat to dethroning him is Erislandy Lara, and Floyd would never fight him. He doesn't have a big enough draw, and he is way too dangerous for Floyd. Too much downside with not much upside for him in that fight.

Would you guys prefer to see a Mayweather Jr. vs. Maidana rematch, or would you prefer to see him fight Amir Khan?   

Amir Khan definitely has a questionable chin, but Mayweather hasn't knocked a guy out in a very long time.   He knocked out Victor Ortiz, but Ortiz wasn't paying attention and was talking to the referee at the time.

Mayweather Jr. hasn't fought someone with quick hands like Khan since he fought Shane Mosley (who was past his prime).   Mosely, I think was the last person to actually have Mayweather really in trouble.   If you remember, in the 2nd round (I believe), Mayweather almost went down and was really shaky for a while. 

I would place him at least in #3 or #4, and definitely not at #7. And talking about the competition, it is not his fault that there is no quality opponent available to take him.  ;D

He's good, but in terms of hand speed, and movement, he doen't really move.   He just walks straight forward and cuts off the ring.   He also doesn't fight on the inside, he just clinches and grabs.

Do you guys think that Maidana deserves a rematch against Mayweather?   I had the fight as basically a draw, and I think an argument can be made for either guy getting the win.   I think a rematch would be boring, because Mayweather would just run this whole time, and pop shot Maidana from the outside...

Big fight coming on in a few minutes... Carl Froch vs. George Groves (the rematch).  I think it is sold out in Wembly Stadium in the UK. I have been excited for this rematch since the first fight because the ref robbed Groves the last time with the early stoppage...

Watched it on TV. It was a great fight!

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/320/media/images/75225000/jpg/_75225835_hi022492405.jpg

The WBA has approved a July fight between Golovkin and Geale.   This is great news as it will be Golovkin's biggest fight to date.   It isn't of the same magnitude of a Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. fight, but it is the next best thing, and about as good as we are going to get for July...

Man, that was a great fight...I was really pulling for Groves...was bummed that Froch won, because Froch won't fight Ward (again) or Golovkin.   Groves would accept all challenges...

I cannot believe that Cotto dominated Sergio Martinez like that.   Sergio needs to retire...  I thought for sure that he was going to destroy Cotto.

This sets Cotto up for potentially a Mayweather rematch (which is unlikely), a PacMan rematch (which is possible given that they both are able to work with Top Rank), a Canelo Alvarez fight, or a GGG fight.


Any of the above would be great fights.   

Cotto looked better than ever before, as this was a career defining fight.   He stamped his ticket into the boxing hall of fame with this last victory.

Wow, Provodnikov got shocked by Algieri via a split decision.   This was supposed to be a walk in the park for Provodnikov.  Algieri was pretty impressive picking himself off the mat twice in the first round to outwork him for the rest of the fight.   I thought Provodnikov definitely won the fight.  

So much for a PacMan showdown for him.

Manny Pacquiao who had a lot of titles.

Still want to see him fight Mayweather, although it is never going to happen.   I think the Manny of a few years ago had a better than 60% chance of winning.   I think his chances of winning now, are somewhere in the 15-20% chance.

no other than Manny Pacquiao. The great boxer ever.

Mayweather's ability also decrease based on his fight with Maidana. Mayweather almost loss fighting a class c fighter.

Maidana isn't class C, look at his fight resume. He also ran through Broner who everyone was saying was the heir to Mayweather's throne. Mayweather's head was also not in the game as he had just found out his ex had his twins aborted.

Axel Schulz, not  ;D

Did any of you catch the Terrence Crawford vs. Gamboa fight?   It was definitely a fight of the year candidate.   I was hoping that Gamboa would win, so that 50 cent could get more of a name in the fight promoting game.   I don't like how it is all currently run basically by Al Haymon, Top Rank, and Golden Boy.

Crawford is better than any other lightweight in the game right now.   I think he would have trouble stepping up to 140 though.   He would be a good fight against Danny Garcia, but I think Garcia is too big for Crawford.

Mayweather, Canelo and Golovkin are my favorite boxers to watch right now

I think I am right there with you. I really like Lucas Mattyse. I want him to get a Danny Garcia rematch. Lucas's fight last month was the fight of the year so far

Canelo Alvarez vs. Erislandy Lara, this weekend on PPV.   This should be a really good fight.  Lara is one of the most avoided 154 pounders.   If Alvarez gets through him (and that is a big IF), then it clears the way for a Alvarez vs. Cotto fight, or a longshot for an Alvarez vs. GGG. superfight.

Lara has stated that if he wins, that he wants a shot at Mayweather.   I think Lara is the one person in the world (in Mayweather's weight class) that could realistically give him a lot of trouble.   I don't think Mayweather would take this fight. 

I don't know how many of you watch the Canelo vs. Lara fight, but Lara got robbed (and this is coming from a Canelo fan).   He basically took Canelo to school (just like Mayweather did).   Lara just didn't put out enough offense.   The only reason I was hoping that Lara would win is so that he could possibly get a Mayweather fight.   IMO, he is the one person in the weight class that could really give Mayweather a run for his money.   Now that he lost the fight (on paper), there is no way he is getting Mayweather. 

He won't get any big fight actually because his style makes everyone look bad

Lara don't have a fanbase while Canelo has big fanbase. Canelo is Goldenboy cash cow no way he would let it lose. Boxing is as dirty as ever.

Lara knew it too, which is why I was confused as to why he did so little offense

Did any of you see the GGG vs. Daniel Geale fight?   Man GGG was impressive.    He is climbing the pound for pound list for sure.

I think he is too much for Cotto, so I doubt Cotto would fight him.   He basically destroys all middleweights right now.   GGG vs. Peter Quillen would be a joke.


Also excited for Sergey Kovalev vs Bernard Hopkins...that should be a really interesting fight.   It is unbelievable that Hopkins is facing top level guys approaching 50 yrs old!

1st fight groves won 2nd was froch. Why are no British boxers getting much of a mention?

Remember Prince Naseem Hamed, what a great boxer he was?

actually im gunna say Joe Calzaghe best pound for pound boxer ever.

Who is the best boxer he fought that made him the best?

I wouldn't say he is the best ever, but he beat a (past his prime) Roy Jones Jr. As well as Bernard Hopkins. Hopkins has been the dream crusher. He beat Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya.  So Calzhage is kinda the man who beat the man who beat the man.

I dont know who is the best he fought, he made decent fighters like chris eubank look very average - better fighters he fought have been mentioned i guess.

i agree with the ring.tv p4p list

Their list is pretty decent, but I think GGG HAS to be on their after how he disposed of Daniel Geale, who ring.tv had as their #2 ranked middleweight in the world...

Also, I don't think Carl Froch should be in the top 10...  Also Cotto HAS to be in there after he beat the #3 pound for pound in Sergio Martinez (who was the lineal middleweight king).   Sergio earned his spot on the list the hard way beating his way to the top...

Danny Garcia obliterated Rod Salka last night in the 2nd round.   It was a joke that fight was even made.  Salka was not even ranked, which means that fight was against the sanctioning rules.

Basically they are trying to set up a fight with Garcia and Lamont Peterson.   Lucas Mattyse should get his re-match shot before Lamont Peterson does.


I am actually super excited that Bernard Hopkins is going to fight Sergey Kovalev.   That will be an interesting fight.   Cannot believe Hopkins is almost 50.   He really is an alien.

Just bought my tickets for the GGG vs. Marco Antonio Rubio fight on 10/18 in California.   Super stoked...it is GGG's first fight on the West Coast.

If he beats Rubio (which I think he will), he will be the mandatory challenger for Cotto.   Don't think Cotto wants any part of GGG...I think he would rather vacate the title or avoid him like the plague

If you live in the Southern California area and are a boxing fan, I would recommend getting tickets to the Gennady Golovkin vs Marco Antonio Rubio fight on 10/18 at the Stub Hub Center in Carson, California.

This marks the first time that GGG is coming to the west coast.   Also... Nonito Donaire just got added to the undercard for a fight as well.

For some reason, all the fights at the Stub Hub Center are always action packed.   I don't know if it is because of the outdoor atmosphere, but I have been there several times, and the fights are always good!

Fight fans, there are some decent fights on tonight on showtime.

On tonight's card is Adrien Broner, lucas Matthyse, and Andre berto.  All of these guys are usually involved in pretty entertaining fights.  I would really like to see Lucas and Adrien fight. That would be an action packed fight. I wonder if Al Haymon would allow it.

mike tyson
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Gene Tunney
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Evander Holyfield

My favorite boxers

Gennady Golovkin
Manny Pacquiao
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Floyd Mayweather

This is a good list. Reminds me of when the heavyweight division was exciting.

Anyone putting any bets on the mayweather fight? I took maidana last time at +850. I may take him again depending on the odds. Mayweather will more than likely school him this time around but Maidana has a punchers chance

just as I expected, Mayweather clinched and ran for most of the fight to win a clear Unanimous decision.   I don't think he will fight anyone that has a legitimate chance of beating him.

The Pac-Man fight is still far fetched because Top Rank and Al Haymon will not work together, not to mention that Pac is signed to HBO whereas Mayweather is signed to Showtime.  

If either network truly cared about the fans, they would co-promote this event because they know how important this fight would be for boxing history.


I won $1200 on an undercard fight though when De La Rosa beat Alfred Angulo :).  Gonna buy 2.5 more BTC with it :)

I really hate it when Mayweather plays and I hate it when Showtime always praise Mauyweather. He doesnt know how to fight!! He actually ran the entire fight. shhhiiii.. And the ref said "stop" more than Mayweather landed a "punch"...

I really want pacman to fight mayweather at his own terms. I dont care if he doesnt get enough, I just want Mayweather to f up and he can stop whining.

GGG also said hed be more than happy to come down to 154 to face Money, but i dont think mayweather would have any part of that fight. Mayweather is at a point of his career where he wont take any unecessary risks. I guess you really cant blame him. He makes 30+ mill a fight against people he hand picks

My favorite boxers:

1. Joe Louis
2. Mohammad Ali
3. Sugar Ray Robinso
4. Jack Johnson
5. Jack Dempsey

Unfortunately all of those fighters were before my time :(   I wish i would have been around for all of them.

What are your guy's favorite mythical matchups?

I would love to see:

Mike Tyson (in his prime) vs.  Foreman or Ali (in their prime)
Mayweather Jr vs Sugar Ray Leonard
Mayweather Jr vs Thomas Hearns

Obviously Mayweather vs. Pac Man in 2009 when they were both at the top of their games...

Give me one pound for pound great who run in the ring like Mayweather? Give me a legendary who covers his too much like Mayweather? Give me an all time great who clinched so much like Mayweather.

Let me sum it up:

Mayweather Stats:

Total clinch in Maidana fight - 50
Total meters covered in Maidana fight - 500m

The man doesnt know how to fight! He covers, he always run, he clinches a lot! Bayless said "STOP" more than the punches of Mayweather. I couldnt believe he won that fight.

Canelo Alvarez bounced from Showtime, and signed a multi fight deal with HBO.   He and Oscar are now saying that they are going to fight Mayweather to take back the May date from him.   Mayweather has always fought on the two big Mexican National Holiday weekends, and Canelo wants to reclaim those dates.

Mayweather is still a much bigger draw than Canelo, but if Canelo were to sign to fight Cotto, the only way Mayweather could match his numbers would be to fight Pac Man.   This is going to get interesting...

GGG vs. Marco Antonio Rubio at the Stub Hub Center in Carson California this Saturday!    I will be there, I am really excited for this fight actually.   It is Golovkin's first fight on the west coast, since all of his fights have been at Madison Square Garden.

GGG's promoter is hoping that if he wins on Saturday, he will be in line to fight the winner of a potential Canelo vs. Cotto.   I think Canelo might have the guts to get in the ring with GGG, but I don't think Cotto would fight him...

not many great fight panned out in 2014 due to the handy work of Al Haymon.   Hopefully 2015 is better, and Pac vs Mayweather finally gets made (even though it isn't close to as good as it would have been 4 years ago0

Mayweather and Pacqiuiao HAVE to fight this year.

NO MORE EXCUSES!

I agree it won't be as good as a few years ago, but both will be up for it.

This needs to be settled in the ring.

As much as I want pac to win, I think mayweather picks him apart. I think mayweather is afraid to fight him because he thinks he might lose, but if he does end up fighting him, I'm pretty sure he wins a clear decision

I wonder what was taking Floyd so long? I was starting to think he was scared of having his first loss. I think he'll win though, but I might put some money on a draw as the odds are great at the moment 22/1.

I think Floyd knew that Pac would probably beat him 5 years ago. Now hes the clear favorite. He is the master at knowing when to fight people when they are past their prime, but still have a huge name.


GGG fight was really good yesterday. He is going to carry the sport when mayweather and pac are gone

I already booked my room in Vegas for the may 2nd weekend :)

I'm very happy this fight happen at last. My money is on Pacquiao. Mayweather has soft punches and fragile hands.

I already put money on pac as 2.5 to 1 underdog

Anybody have any thoughts on betting Ward vs. Kovalev 2 on Saturday night?   

IMO, Kovalev clearly won the first fight with the knockdown and potentially sweeping the first 6 rounds of the fight, as well as clearly winning round 10.

Both are on a mission.   My gut is saying that Ward is going to make the necessary adjustments and win a decision, but I would love to see a Kovalev knockout.

It bothers me that Ward is going around acting like he clearly won the fight, when I believe he knows deep down that he didn't win the first one.