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Title: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 08, 2012, 11:09:34 PM Butterfly Labs has gotten a lot of heat (no pun intended) over their late shipping, but we've just proven first hand that they aren't a scam.
https://i.imgur.com/e2eyds.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/e2eyd.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/QsFSCs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/QsFSC.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/8whDvs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/8whDv.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/ArVZDs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/ArVZD.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/p8grGs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/p8grG.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/VfnaKs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/VfnaK.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/4mV1Gs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/4mV1G.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/1VbRHs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/1VbRH.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/ay8oKs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/ay8oK.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/eZwv2s.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/eZwv2.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/XyQHPs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/XyQHP.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/1H7ees.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/1H7ee.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/TV1iEs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/TV1iE.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/6yk2qs.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/6yk2q.jpg) In fact, it's hooked up to my Triplemining pool right now pulling in about 816/Mhs on average (but spiking up to 950Mh/s at times). I can order a new BitForce Single anytime I want (and actually have another one on the way), but some people are interested in owning one now, and everyone is interested in owning one for half a Bitcoin, so in the spirit of entertainment, I am giving this BitForce away for One lucky participant will be chosen randomly. For more information, stay tuned to this thread. Title: . Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 08, 2012, 11:10:39 PM https://i.imgur.com/D4iLT.png (https://bit-pay.com/cart/add?itemId=jb9uOYktZ2nto_gxGDfPnbZKaaJTFDaB8bqN-hwsQgw=) Rules for normal participation (IMPORTANT!)
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Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 11:10:59 PM 1st dibs!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wachtwoord on March 08, 2012, 11:11:46 PM I'll double the offer :D
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 08, 2012, 11:12:07 PM you certainly know how to get peoples attention - Well done Matt... Im not sure I deserve a BFL Single for half a coin but Ill sure be watching this :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notmove on March 08, 2012, 11:13:40 PM Watching :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Red Emerald on March 08, 2012, 11:14:03 PM Sounds like this could be a fun contest (as long as I don't have to dress up as a furry)!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: P4man on March 08, 2012, 11:14:49 PM FAKE!
;) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kronosvl on March 08, 2012, 11:17:05 PM I'm in
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: nelisky on March 08, 2012, 11:18:49 PM Me wants...
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 08, 2012, 11:19:11 PM I would like one. I had to cancel my order (due to loss of employment). The first shipment was received within 3 days.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: ineededausername on March 08, 2012, 11:20:29 PM i'm in line too :D
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: jwzguy on March 08, 2012, 11:21:23 PM :o
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cyberlync on March 08, 2012, 11:24:53 PM I'm in, and hoping for the best. :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: vuce on March 08, 2012, 11:25:31 PM Sweet :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Kluge on March 08, 2012, 11:25:38 PM Bitscalper sent out what they promised at first, too.
(that makes me a skeptic - so put me at the top of the list!) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 08, 2012, 11:26:42 PM Bitscalper sent out what they promised at first, too. (that makes me a skeptic - so put me at the top of the list!) I coughed up my cheerios reading this. :D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: payb.tc on March 08, 2012, 11:27:25 PM can you give me more of a discount? it's a good deal, but what about 0.49 btc?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: triplehelix on March 08, 2012, 11:29:03 PM how much for shipping? 0.o
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: rjk on March 08, 2012, 11:30:44 PM can you give me more of a discount? it's a good deal, but what about 0.49 btc? I bid 1 Satoshi.Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cottoneyeJoe on March 08, 2012, 11:40:23 PM Pick me please! I need to either replace the fans on 2 near dead 5830s, buy new GPUs or WIN this!!!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Eveofwar on March 08, 2012, 11:41:37 PM Intrigued.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: bittenbob on March 08, 2012, 11:45:00 PM Tuned in!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: rTech on March 08, 2012, 11:45:47 PM Well i never get anything but id love to take a part for this :D In EU zone we have everything so expensive that even if i could get that for 0.5btc i dont have affort to pay postal costs...
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Timbo925 on March 08, 2012, 11:51:08 PM Put me on the list. You never now.
Still waithing for my unicorn tho ??? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Herodes on March 08, 2012, 11:51:23 PM I guess we can say BFL is legit, when all people that ordered have gotten their gear. :) Anyway, I'd be willing to put in a ticket if this is for real. :D
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DBordello on March 08, 2012, 11:56:33 PM I promise to give it a good home. I also will provide a web cam feed of it, so that you can always check up on it.
(And, perhaps more worthwhile, I promise to donate its hashes and/or revenue to a appropriate bitcoin charity.) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Raoul Duke on March 09, 2012, 12:01:05 AM Wacha doin' wid ma bitforce?
I WANT IT BACK! :'( Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: LoupGaroux on March 09, 2012, 12:01:30 AM Sure, I'm up for it. And I will not only pay the 0.5btc, I will throw in shipping from wherever you and Waldo are right now, and I will write a glowing post about what an all-round nice fellow you are, and how your generosity is the spirit that makes this silly bitcoin place just such a wonderful hang-out.
Or I will not post anything inflammatory for 72 hours. Your choice! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Fefox on March 09, 2012, 12:08:22 AM Yes! :D
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: MelMan2002 on March 09, 2012, 12:08:44 AM You have my attention.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: gadsdengraphics on March 09, 2012, 12:10:21 AM I'm in.
Giggity. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Jointops420 on March 09, 2012, 12:15:42 AM Random me random it to me please. Nice gesture anyway.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 12:18:52 AM Thread updated.
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Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 09, 2012, 12:23:08 AM Bought one... yrral86@gmail.com if you want the extra 5%.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: payb.tc on March 09, 2012, 12:24:01 AM could someone please lend me 0.5 btc to
i'll pay back 0.50000001 in 7 hours :D (i should get around to re-installing the android wallet so i'm not out-and-about with no coins) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: proudhon on March 09, 2012, 12:24:34 AM http://i44.tinypic.com/2i1pcv5.jpg
Oh god, please, I need the golden ticket! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 12:25:10 AM I lol'ed so hard. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DBordello on March 09, 2012, 12:25:29 AM Thread updated. https://i.imgur.com/D4iLT.png (https://bit-pay.com/cart/add?itemId=jb9uOYktZ2nto_gxGDfPnbZKaaJTFDaB8bqN-hwsQgw=) Rules for normal participation (IMPORTANT!)
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Deadline (IMPORTANT!) A winner will be chosen 7 days from today's date and contacted through the e-mail address the provided at the time of entry. The winner be chosen in conjunction with random numbers provided by random.org across a spreadsheet of raffle credits. I am not sure this exactly qualifies as "giving it away for 0.5BTC". This is more of a simple raffle, just with something people want. Dan Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 12:26:26 AM I am not sure this exactly qualifies as "giving it away for 0.5BTC". This is more of a simple raffle, just with something people want. Dan Fixed for clarity. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: PatrickHarnett on March 09, 2012, 12:34:31 AM I will not post anything inflammatory for 72 hours. Can we raffle this? (going into a coma would not count) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 09, 2012, 12:40:36 AM Thread updated. https://i.imgur.com/D4iLT.png (https://bit-pay.com/cart/add?itemId=jb9uOYktZ2nto_gxGDfPnbZKaaJTFDaB8bqN-hwsQgw=) Rules for normal participation (IMPORTANT!)
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Deadline (IMPORTANT!) A winner will be chosen 7 days from today's date and contacted through the e-mail address the provided at the time of entry. The winner be chosen in conjunction with random numbers provided by random.org across a spreadsheet of raffle credits. the evil genius strikes again, well done Matt :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: LoupGaroux on March 09, 2012, 12:48:19 AM I will not post anything inflammatory for 72 hours. Can we raffle this? (going into a coma would not count) Sure- if I win this raffle, I will raffle off my silence for 72 hours. Although that is going to cost Matthew the glowing review... I'm not a cheap whore you know, just a whore. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cyberlync on March 09, 2012, 12:53:55 AM aaaand I'm out again. If it's too good to be true, It'll probably get edited later.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Red Emerald on March 09, 2012, 01:14:10 AM Are you sure the winner isn't going to be announced in 4-6 weeks?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 01:16:15 AM aaaand I'm out again. If it's too good to be true, It'll probably get edited later. Quote it for truth then. Nothing will change. I'm not Atlas. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 09, 2012, 01:28:53 AM
I can at least solve the second part. The bitcoin blockchain contains lots of completely random hashes that are NSA-recommended as unreversible, not predetermined, outside control of any one party, and published publicly. Here is my recommended method to declare winning ticket numbers of any forum lottery: 1. Publish block# to determine winner. For this lottery's timeline, block 171420 (~8 days from now) after 120 confirmations could be the one to determine the winner (block 170267 (http://blockexplorer.com/b/170267) used in example below), 2. Disclose ticket numbers (spreadsheet) beforehand (start at 0, list forum IDs, etc), allow all entrants to see they are present in list and that there are no mystery entries nobody can account for. 3. Determine total number of tickets at entrance cutoff time (lets say 711 in this example), 4. The random data to be used from the block will be the last 10 digits of the hash, 5. The winning ticket number will be determined by the modulo (remainder) function [python = math.fmod(int("hash_last_10", 16), num_of_entries)]. Winning number as output by Win7 x32 calculator if any disputes of solution. Here is how to independently determine the winner with no programming on Windows calculator (fixed):
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 01:30:44 AM
I can at least solve the second part. The bitcoin blockchain contains lots of completely random hashes that are NSA-recommended as unreversible, not predetermined, outside control of any one party, and published publicly. Here is my recommended method to declare winning ticket numbers of any forum lottery: 1. Publish block# to determine winner. For this lottery's timeline, block 171420 (~8 days from now) after 120 confirmations could be the one to determine the winner (block 170267 (http://blockexplorer.com/b/170267) used in example below), 2. Disclose ticket numbers (spreadsheet) beforehand (start at 0, list forum IDs, etc), allow all entrants to see they are present in list and that there are no mystery entries nobody can account for. 3. Determine total number of tickets at entrance cutoff time (lets say 711 in this example), 4. The random data to be used from the block will be the last 10 digits of the hash, 5. The winning ticket number will be determined by the modulo (remainder) function [python = math.fmod(int(hash_last_10, 16), num_of_entries)]. Winning number as output by Win7 x32 calculator if any disputes of solution. Here is how to independently determine the winner with no programming on Windows calculator:
Anyone have any objections to this? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 09, 2012, 01:32:22 AM
I can at least solve the second part. The bitcoin blockchain contains lots of completely random hashes that are NSA-recommended as unreversible, not predetermined, outside control of any one party, and published publicly. Here is my recommended method to declare winning ticket numbers of any forum lottery: 1. Publish block# to determine winner. For this lottery's timeline, block 171420 (~8 days from now) after 120 confirmations could be the one to determine the winner (block 170267 (http://blockexplorer.com/b/170267) used in example below), 2. Disclose ticket numbers (spreadsheet) beforehand (start at 0, list forum IDs, etc), allow all entrants to see they are present in list and that there are no mystery entries nobody can account for. 3. Determine total number of tickets at entrance cutoff time (lets say 711 in this example), 4. The random data to be used from the block will be the last 10 digits of the hash, 5. The winning ticket number will be determined by the modulo (remainder) function [python = math.fmod(int(hash_last_10, 16), num_of_entries)]. Winning number as output by Win7 x32 calculator if any disputes of solution. Here is how to independently determine the winner with no programming on Windows calculator:
You forgot: add 1 to mod result unless you numbered tickets starting with 0 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 09, 2012, 01:39:19 AM You forgot: I just updated the post, the example result 141 was in hex, you must convert it back to decimal = 321. I do specify the first ticket is #0. Another oops with the calculator procedure is that you'd be entering the number of tickets in hex, which gives wrong results if you input decimal, I'll fix that too.add 1 to mod result unless you numbered tickets starting with 0 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 09, 2012, 01:40:44 AM I see that now... at least I helped you catch something ;).
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: bittenbob on March 09, 2012, 01:41:22 AM
I can at least solve the second part. The bitcoin blockchain contains lots of completely random hashes that are NSA-recommended as unreversible, not predetermined, outside control of any one party, and published publicly. Here is my recommended method to declare winning ticket numbers of any forum lottery: 1. Publish block# to determine winner. For this lottery's timeline, block 171420 (~8 days from now) after 120 confirmations could be the one to determine the winner (block 170267 (http://blockexplorer.com/b/170267) used in example below), 2. Disclose ticket numbers (spreadsheet) beforehand (start at 0, list forum IDs, etc), allow all entrants to see they are present in list and that there are no mystery entries nobody can account for. 3. Determine total number of tickets at entrance cutoff time (lets say 711 in this example), 4. The random data to be used from the block will be the last 10 digits of the hash, 5. The winning ticket number will be determined by the modulo (remainder) function [python = math.fmod(int(hash_last_10, 16), num_of_entries)]. Winning number as output by Win7 x32 calculator if any disputes of solution. Here is how to independently determine the winner with no programming on Windows calculator:
Anyone have any objections to this? The issue I see is that the bonus program you laid out issues fractions of entries. Are only full entries counted towards the draw? (ie 1.05=1, 1.85=1, 2.05=0, etc) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 09, 2012, 01:44:54 AM The issue I see is that the bonus program you laid out issues fractions of entries. Are only full entries counted towards the draw? (ie 1.05=1, 1.85=1, 2.05=0, etc) This could be solved by multiplying all ticket amounts by 100. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: draco49 on March 09, 2012, 01:55:14 AM Quote The issue I see is that the bonus program you laid out issues fractions of entries. Are only full entries counted towards the draw? (ie 1.05=1, 1.85=1, 2.05=0, etc) Good point. I think a user's final entry count will be turned into a weighted number for the purpose of the drawing. Some clarification on this would be appreciated :) Use me as your referral, draco49@tormail.net, and if I win I'll pay everyone who used my referral their 0.50BTC back. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: rjk on March 09, 2012, 01:57:45 AM Aww piss, I post the first response, step out for a meeting, and then Matthew turns it into a raffle. Fuck this shit, I'm out.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 09, 2012, 02:02:47 AM Use me as your referral, draco49@tormail.net, and if I win I'll pay everyone who used my referral their 0.50BTC back. How are you going to verify that? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 09, 2012, 02:04:28 AM Anybody want to make a javascript page to do the ticket-picker math I specify above? I'll try it if no genius can whip one up in minutes, I'd like to make sure many/any method can arrive at same answer for winner.
Input 1: Last 10 of hash (10 digits hexidecimal) Input 2: Number of entries (base10 decimal) Input 3: Do ticket numbers start at 0? (yes = 0, no = 1) Output 1: Input 1 % (http://www.java2s.com/Tutorial/JavaScript/0040__Operators/Modulus.htm) Input 2 + Input 3 Aww piss, I post the first response, step out for a meeting, and then Matthew turns it into a raffle. Fuck this shit, I'm out. Right?? I was ready to hit send and buy that 0.5BTC BFL single!Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Epoch on March 09, 2012, 02:06:35 AM following
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Ferroh on March 09, 2012, 02:14:40 AM You're not giving them away, you're selling raffles for them in a
It is mildly depressing that the majority of the bitcoin community:
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 09, 2012, 02:15:08 AM Anybody want to make a javascript page to do the ticket-picker math I specify above? I'll try it if no genius can whip one up in minutes, I'd like to make sure many/any method can arrive at same answer for winner. Input 1: Last 10 of hash (10 digits hexidecimal) Input 2: Number of entries (base10 decimal) Input 3: Do ticket numbers start at 0? (yes = 0, no = 1) Output 1: Input 1 % (http://www.java2s.com/Tutorial/JavaScript/0040__Operators/Modulus.htm) Input 2 + Input 3 Aww piss, I post the first response, step out for a meeting, and then Matthew turns it into a raffle. Fuck this shit, I'm out. Right?? I was ready to hit send and buy that 0.5BTC BFL single!http://pastebin.com/6LqsUgUg Address is in signature if you want to say thanks. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 02:16:20 AM You're not giving them away, you're selling raffles for them in a pyramid scheme. Pyramid scheme? You mean that kind of scheme that the people on the bottom have no chance of winning, unlike this raffle? https://i.imgur.com/c52HA.gif Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 09, 2012, 02:17:03 AM You're not giving them away, you're selling raffles for them in a pyramid scheme. It is mildly depressing that the majority of the bitcoin community:
Nah.... he's just an ass and misled us to believe the winner could buy it for 0.5 BTC. After he had two pages of response, he let loose the real deal. Don't pin this on the community. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 09, 2012, 02:26:50 AM ROTFL!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Raoul Duke on March 09, 2012, 02:28:15 AM Matthew, where is your governmental permit to host raffle games?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 02:32:06 AM Matthew, where is your governmental permit to host raffle games? Two choices:
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kibblesnbits on March 09, 2012, 02:39:42 AM Matthew, where is your governmental permit to host raffle games? It's in the same location where the permit is for unregulated Internet bitcoin gambling. ;) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 02:40:33 AM Matthew, where is your governmental permit to host raffle games? It's in the same location where the permit is for unregulated Internet bitcoin gambling. ;) Exactly! In Spain of course! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Ferroh on March 09, 2012, 02:42:08 AM You're not giving them away, you're selling raffles for them in a pyramid scheme. Pyramid scheme? You mean that kind of scheme that the people on the bottom have no chance of winning, unlike this raffle? https://i.imgur.com/c52HA.gif You're right, it's merely a gambling scheme where we have no idea what the odds of winning are. Originally your thread title read "giving it away for 0.5BTC!". It's more like "selling it for hundreds of BTC and giving you a chance to gamble on the outcome". Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kibblesnbits on March 09, 2012, 02:46:36 AM Matthew, where is your governmental permit to host raffle games? It's in the same location where the permit is for unregulated Internet bitcoin gambling. ;) Exactly! In Spain of course! I was commenting about psy's BTC-play referral in his sig. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 02:48:21 AM You're right, it's merely a gambling scheme where we have no idea what the odds of winning are. Oh, you mean a raffle?Originally your thread title read "giving it away for 0.5BTC!". The winner will be stealing it as far as I'm concerned. This wording issue was already brought up and addressed immediately. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LiXKhcyAGFU/Te5WRqqluHI/AAAAAAAAHdc/JBnKrtnUg4A/s1600/U%2BMad%2BTho.jpg Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Glasswalker on March 09, 2012, 02:51:22 AM Just my .02BTC, I would prefer the blockchain version of randomizing. It's pre-determined, public, and independently verifiable. I think it's the most fair solution.
Also, I just bought some tickets ;) Come on... Pappa needs a new mining rig! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cottoneyeJoe on March 09, 2012, 02:51:36 AM Bah! Shameless bait and switch.
How about you withdraw this scheme and get back to your magazine or whatever you do that's actually useful to the community. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kjlimo on March 09, 2012, 02:55:07 AM Just bought a ticket!
If you use my e-mail as a referral < Mwesoloski@gmail.com > I will pay you 1 BTC if I win! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 02:56:15 AM How about you withdraw this scheme and get back to your magazine or whatever you do that's actually useful to the community. It was a slow morning in Korea. Too late to turn back now though. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: triplehelix on March 09, 2012, 03:04:16 AM You're not giving them away, you're selling raffles for them in a It is mildly depressing that the majority of the bitcoin community:
??? am i missing something? where is the downvote feature? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kibblesnbits on March 09, 2012, 03:07:32 AM How about you withdraw this scheme and get back to your magazine or whatever you do that's actually useful to the community. It was a slow morning in Korea. Too late to turn back now though. Are you wiling to use the DeepCeleron method of choosing the winning ticket? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 03:08:06 AM Just to clear the air of future naysayers:
At 09:25:29 AM, another user by the name of DBordello had mentioned the potential for the title to be misconstrued and the issue was resolved within minutes. The topic was changed to "raffle" to make it absolutely clear what was being offered. At that time there had been 0 participation in the raffle from the community so there can be no arguments of deposits made under false pretenses. Ferroh's post was at 11:14:00AM complaining about a title that then didn't exist, barking about his disagreement with raffles and mislabeling it a "Ponzi" scheme, then later retracting it, and blaming the entire community for "supporting ponzi schemes" due to their support for this honest raffle for a Bitforce Single. So far everything he has based his 'points' on, he himself has since retracted. So I just have to ask.. U mad bro? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 09, 2012, 03:09:56 AM I can't believe it, but I'm mysteriously drawn to this. It might still be a scam, and I never win anything.
But that again, the ongoing discussion about the mechanics of how to determine the winner are just to cool to stay out of this. I'm in. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 03:11:46 AM How about you withdraw this scheme and get back to your magazine or whatever you do that's actually useful to the community. It was a slow morning in Korea. Too late to turn back now though. Are you wiling to use the DeepCeleron method of choosing the winning ticket? At that time, I will release the actual ticket list, omitting the winner's email addresses and an independent party can run the list if they like. This is up to the community, I couldn't care less who does it so long as the math works and it's fair. Edited for clarity: The spreadsheet we have from bit-pay right now does not reflect tickets, it reflects credits to buy tickets. We need to convert those purchases into tickets at the end of the raffle (because the amount of tickets can increase based off of referrals). Then all standard raffle rules will apply, and DeepCeleron can even handle the rules for randomizing it himself if he'd like. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 09, 2012, 03:11:53 AM How about you withdraw this scheme and get back to your magazine or whatever you do that's actually useful to the community. It was a slow morning in Korea. Too late to turn back now though.Are you, Matthew? Ah, you just answered that one post above. This thread is moving too fast... Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 09, 2012, 03:14:16 AM How about you withdraw this scheme and get back to your magazine or whatever you do that's actually useful to the community. It was a slow morning in Korea. Too late to turn back now though. Are you wiling to use the DeepCeleron method of choosing the winning ticket? Yes of course. The spreadsheet we will receive from Bit-Pay 7 days from now will be converted into raffle tickets based on credits for raffle tickets held by the email address owners who have purchased or earned credits through Bitcoin deposits or referrals. At that time, I will release the actual ticket list, omitting the winner's email addresses and an independent party can run the list if they like. This is up to the community, I couldn't care less who does it so long as the math works and it's fair. In good old Bitcoin transaction manner several members will independently check the results. ;D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 09, 2012, 03:15:12 AM How about you withdraw this scheme and get back to your magazine or whatever you do that's actually useful to the community. It was a slow morning in Korea. Too late to turn back now though. Are you wiling to use the DeepCeleron method of choosing the winning ticket? Yes of course. The spreadsheet we will receive from Bit-Pay 7 days from now will be converted into raffle tickets based on credits for raffle tickets held by the email address owners who have purchased or earned credits through Bitcoin deposits or referrals. At that time, I will release the actual ticket list, omitting the winner's email addresses and an independent party can run the list if they like. This is up to the community, I couldn't care less who does it so long as the math works and it's fair. In good old Bitcoin transaction manner several members will independently check the results. ;D https://i.imgur.com/c52HA.gif :P Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 03:16:43 AM Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kibblesnbits on March 09, 2012, 03:20:37 AM I'm in. kibblesnbitz000@gmail.com if you need a referral
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Kluge on March 09, 2012, 03:21:32 AM I will buy *at least* 10 tickets one hour after I wake up tomorrow unless someone sends .25BTC to 1QHcAaRkNFg82mLyXc2HqZLqvX3QwnGQJr
Cheers & good night! ;D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 09, 2012, 03:26:30 AM Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 09, 2012, 03:28:36 AM I'm curious Matthew,
I thought you are located in Seoul, South Korea. Why is the raffle page on bit-pay.com saying Baekdu Mountain, Pyeongyang Korea North? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kjlimo on March 09, 2012, 03:30:01 AM I will buy *at least* 10 tickets one hour after I wake up tomorrow unless someone sends .25BTC to 1QHcAaRkNFg82mLyXc2HqZLqvX3QwnGQJr Cheers & good night! ;D Be sure to use Mwesoloski@gmail.com as your referral e-mail. I'll pay you back your 5 BTC plus an extra 5 BTC if I win and you buy 10 tickets with me as the referral. I'll pay anyone 1 BTC if they use me as a referral and I win! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: payb.tc on March 09, 2012, 03:31:20 AM ??? am i missing something? where is the downvote feature? yes, you are missing the downvote feature. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 03:32:10 AM I'm curious Matthew, I thought you are located in Seoul, South Korea. Why is the raffle page on bit-pay.com saying Baekdu Mountain, Pyeongyang Korea North? https://i.imgur.com/xcxaN.gif Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 09, 2012, 03:34:08 AM I'm curious Matthew, I thought you are located in Seoul, South Korea. Why is the raffle page on bit-pay.com saying Baekdu Mountain, Pyeongyang Korea North? https://i.imgur.com/xcxaN.gif I don't get the drift. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cottoneyeJoe on March 09, 2012, 03:36:05 AM ??? am i missing something? where is the downvote feature? yes, you are missing the downvote feature. God yes we need down vote for crap like this...and the snarky spam from Matthew just keeps coming! Mods, please move this out of main topic. Belongs in marketplace or trading or some such. Get Matthew's profit making scheme out of here, please. Agree? Hit that "report to moderator" link on the original post. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 03:44:23 AM God yes we need down vote for crap like this.. Wow. Just wow..and the snarky spam from Matthew just keeps coming! https://i.imgur.com/PrajP.gifYou must be new here. Mods, please move this out of main topic. You don't need a mod for that. I can move it myself. Where would you like it?Belongs in marketplace Nope.or trading Nope.Get Matthew's profit making scheme out of here, please. Let's take a look at the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion forum... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67832.0 <-- blatant spam for BitCoinGamer.com (for-profit) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67199.0 <-- blatant spam for a convention (for-profit) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67572.0 <-- blatant spam for MtGox (for-profit) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67442.0 <-- blatant spam for Bit-Pay (for-profit) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67931.0 <-- blatant spam for StrikeSapphire (for-profit) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66587.0 <-- blatant spam for The Armory (for-profit) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67835.0 <-- blatant spam for BitcoinBuilder.com (for-profit) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48321.0 <-- blatant spam for a convention (for-profit) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64449.0 <-- blatant spam for Armory Client (for-profit) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=31181.0 <-- blatant spam for textcoin.co.uk (for-profit) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64802.0 <-- blatant spam for PirateMyFilm.com (for-profit) U jelly? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 03:45:39 AM I'm curious Matthew, I thought you are located in Seoul, South Korea. Why is the raffle page on bit-pay.com saying Baekdu Mountain, Pyeongyang Korea North? https://i.imgur.com/xcxaN.gif I don't get the drift. The address is an easter egg/joke and doesn't matter. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: mb300sd on March 09, 2012, 04:23:07 AM Use my referral,
mb300sd tormail net and I'll give you 10BTC and my first weeks worth of hashing if I win. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Transisto on March 09, 2012, 04:24:14 AM Note : OP, I had you ignored for that stupid any annoying Horse animation.
That shit seriously hurt my nerves !!! See you later ......................................................................... Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 09, 2012, 04:43:09 AM Use my referral, mb300sd tormail net and I'll give you 10BTC and my first weeks worth of hashing if I win. I feel strangely bewildered: Why should anybody refer anyone else (unless they share the same income)? You would just support the other one (.25 > .05)! No? And they say Bitcoin's principle is built on the prisoner's dilemma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma) The irony, aahhh the irony http://nittygriddy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/pulling-hair-out.jpg Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 04:47:29 AM Note : OP, I had you ignored for that stupid any annoying Horse animation. You can ignore people based on their avatars? Or did you mean the zebra? ???That shit seriously hurt my nerves !!! See you later ......................................................................... Anyway, updated avatar to something more appropriate. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 09, 2012, 04:53:07 AM Anybody want to make a javascript page to do the ticket-picker math I specify above? http://pastebin.com/6LqsUgUgAddress is in signature if you want to say thanks. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: triplehelix on March 09, 2012, 04:54:14 AM Note : OP, I had you ignored for that stupid any annoying Horse animation. You can ignore people based on their avatars? Or did you mean the zebra? ???That shit seriously hurt my nerves !!! See you later ......................................................................... Anyway, updated avatar to something more appropriate. i prefer dramatic praire dog personally. http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/d/dd/Drama_prairie_dog.gif Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: draco49 on March 09, 2012, 05:51:43 AM Use me as your referral, draco49@tormail.net, and if I win I'll pay everyone who used my referral their 0.50BTC back. How are you going to verify that? 1) If I don't win, I won't have to. 2) If I do win, just PM me your BTC addr and the email you used to enter with and i'll confirm it with our nice raffle host. Title: count me in. Post by: nathanghart on March 09, 2012, 06:12:44 AM I never win anything, but it is worth a shot.
FYI: I picked the first person to post as email for referral (at least the first I saw). Referrer's e-mail address: yrral86@gmail.com refer me if you like hartmining@gmail.com Title: Re: count me in. Post by: wogaut on March 09, 2012, 06:27:31 AM I never win anything, but it is worth a shot. FYI: I picked the first person to post as email for referral (at least the first I saw). Referrer's e-mail address: yrral86@gmail.com refer me if you like hartmining@gmail.com So, when you submit say 20 credits for the raffle without referral, you are voting 20 times for yourself (to win). When you do it with referral, you are voting 21 times for yourself and 5 times for someone else (and reduce your chances to win relative to the other person) . So why are you doing that? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: portron on March 09, 2012, 06:48:37 AM I'm curious Matthew, I thought you are located in Seoul, South Korea. Why is the raffle page on bit-pay.com saying Baekdu Mountain, Pyeongyang Korea North? :o Because North Korea has such an open connection to the Interwebz... duhh... it's the central source for all free enterprising e-currencies. And Baekkdu... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Baitou_Mountain_Tianchi.jpg Obviously the perfect location between N. Korean and China to conduct Bitcoin Business. White Head... Matt are you a white guy living in Korea? I was born in Seoul. lol. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 07:22:24 AM Matt are you a white guy living in Korea? I was born in Seoul. lol. Hah! Yea, I've been in Korea 7 years now. Started out my first year working at some schools and then got so sick of the backwards education system here that I decided to start my own small international school. We had about 200 students go through our school but after three years of fighting the Korean system, we learned that our entire curricular concepts (although standard in America) are still 10 years too early in Korea. Ironically, since closing, I've already seen copycat schools opening up and universities are starting to do what we were doing too. It has been a wild ride though. Here's some random colorful photos of me and some of my students when I owned the school (유치부부터 대학부있었지만, 초등학생들 재일많았어요.). There are thousands so I just picked the ones that seemed the most interesting. (last pic is from one of the airlines I partnered with for English testing) https://i.imgur.com/e8rTZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PKp7u.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Q45Qo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5SdGP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yk6BH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2cooF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sGFeL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wtyU7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vykhX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JQ5Kz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/k8K38.jpg https://i.imgur.com/CjJHZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0nnMR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/BBHSx.jpg https://i.imgur.com/IZASK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uUiOa.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YPJlu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EqBXc.jpg https://i.imgur.com/50iO1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Fro2k.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LKJEO.jpg Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 09, 2012, 07:28:06 AM You do exist after all, Matthew!
I profoundly apologize for ever doubting your existence ;D ;D ;D Impressive, really! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 09, 2012, 07:34:17 AM I guess I shouldn't point out that doing a mod of the number favours some first % of the shares by getting 1 extra chance at winning :)
Meanwhile - wow Matthew is gonna make a fortune out of this ... anyone offering to pay postage is foolish :P (At the $4.90 gox value at the moment he only needs 123BTC to cover the $600 it probably cost him) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Exonumia on March 09, 2012, 07:35:25 AM Quote it for truth then. Nothing will change. I'm not Atlas. I'm still convinced you are Atlas :D If you make your money back are you gonna raffle another one? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: BurtW on March 09, 2012, 07:37:17 AM Entered!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 07:40:16 AM Meanwhile - wow Matthew is gonna make a fortune out of this I hope to recoup the price only. I support BFL. anyone offering to pay postage is foolish :P I would never make anyone pay for postage. That's totally boring. This thing is supposed to be fun.(At the $4.90 gox value at the moment he only needs 123BTC to cover the $600 it probably cost him) Mine cost me $650 (shipping to Korea isn't cheap) because I got in late I guess. I heard some others got one for $500 and less. I don't know if that's true.I'm still convinced you are Atlas :D If you make your money back are you gonna raffle another one? Definitely! Next time though, Mihai has instructed me to do it through the Bitcoin Magazine as a giveaway of sorts for involvement etc. We'll see what we come up with. I have my own crazy ideas, but everyone around me has their own too, and I don't always talk to them before I jump the forums and do crazy shit. You do exist after all, Matthew! I profoundly apologize for ever doubting your existence ;D ;D ;D Impressive, really! Lol. Of course I exist. http://bittalk.tv http://youtube.com/matthewnealwright http://facebook.com/matthew.n.wright Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: tgmarks on March 09, 2012, 07:43:17 AM This is a rad idea, going for it.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 09, 2012, 07:49:39 AM Hmm I guess I should also :)
Would be useful to have a BFL with my 2xIcarus to help resolve any problems with mining all 3 (Icarus + GPU + BFL) in cgminer :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: MaxSan on March 09, 2012, 07:53:31 AM I guess mine should be on the way soon then... Have yet to receive an email about it yet mind you.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC/ticket! Post by: deepceleron on March 09, 2012, 10:23:05 AM I guess I shouldn't point out that doing a mod of the number favours some first % of the shares by getting 1 extra chance at winning :) Yep, enter early! It's like a 1-in-58,640,620 advantage for the first entrant vs the last entrant with 10,000 entries! (i.e., not significant; you reduce your odds of winning 10,000 times more than this by simply using someone else's referral when entering this contest; you increase your odds 10,000 times more by waiting, by having more information to determine optimal number of tickets to buy).There is profit potential for either entrants or Matthew, I don't think a profit is guaranteed (unless this is a free evaluation unit that must be given away, etc); most raffles/auctions/lotteries that have been tried around here have few participants. This is one of the more significant; we know the organizer actually has the fabulous prize, the prize is rare, and the organizer has some reputation. It goes down in a week - if MNW flakes, we'll get 건달 on him... Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC/ticket! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 10:41:41 AM if MNW flakes, we'll get 건달 on him... I think you mean 무자비. And I can't flake. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC/ticket! Post by: deepceleron on March 09, 2012, 10:58:16 AM if MNW flakes, we'll get 건달 on him... I think you mean 무자비. And I can't flake. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 12:07:22 PM UPDATE: 155 hours left and counting. Three words people: half a bitcoin.
https://i.imgur.com/D4iLT.png (https://bit-pay.com/cart/add?itemId=jb9uOYktZ2nto_gxGDfPnbZKaaJTFDaB8bqN-hwsQgw=) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kjlimo on March 09, 2012, 12:20:37 PM I never win anything, but it is worth a shot. FYI: I picked the first person to post as email for referral (at least the first I saw). Referrer's e-mail address: yrral86@gmail.com refer me if you like hartmining@gmail.com So, when you submit say 20 credits for the raffle without referral, you are voting 20 times for yourself (to win). When you do it with referral, you are voting 21 times for yourself and 5 times for someone else (and reduce your chances to win relative to the other person) . So why are you doing that? B/c if you use Mwesoloski@gmail.com he will pay you 1 BTC for each referral you give him if he wins! The person I used <draco49@tormail.net> will pay .5 BTC if he wins. It's a hedge based on how honest you think the person is. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: draco49 on March 09, 2012, 12:38:15 PM Quote B/c if you use Mwesoloski@gmail.com he will pay you 1 BTC for each referral you give him if he wins! The person I used will pay .5 BTC if he wins. It's a hedge LOL you're hijacking my .50 BTC award! That's cut-throat ... ;) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kjlimo on March 09, 2012, 12:41:46 PM Quote B/c if you use Mwesoloski@gmail.com he will pay you 1 BTC for each referral you give him if he wins! The person I used will pay .5 BTC if he wins. It's a hedge LOL you're hijacking my .50 BTC award! That's cut-throat ... ;) :) I gave credit where credit was due! I was on my phone on the bus, but now I've edited it to include your e-mail address. and I explained it's also based on how much you trust the person, b/c if peeps don't know us, then they may not realize how radically awesome and honest we are. Go Bitcoin go! Title: I spent bitcoins. Post by: sgravina on March 09, 2012, 12:46:46 PM This is the second purchase I have ever made with bitcoins. I think I'm mainly into bitcoins for the gadgets.
Sam Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: draco49 on March 09, 2012, 12:49:05 PM Quote B/c if you use Mwesoloski@gmail.com he will pay you 1 BTC for each referral you give him if he wins! The person I used will pay .5 BTC if he wins. It's a hedge LOL you're hijacking my .50 BTC award! That's cut-throat ... ;) :) I gave credit where credit was due! I was on my phone on the bus, but now I've edited it to include your e-mail address. and I explained it's also based on how much you trust the person, b/c if peeps don't know us, then they may not realize how radically awesome and honest we are. Go Bitcoin go! Excellent point. Shill away.... :P Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: norulezapply on March 09, 2012, 01:36:05 PM Is there a raffel stats page up yet? (Number of tickets purchased, Number of tickets from referrals, Total tickets etc. ?)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: BurtW on March 09, 2012, 01:37:52 PM Is there a raffel stats page up yet? (Number of tickets purchased, Number of tickets from referrals, Total tickets etc. ?) THISTitle: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 01:43:08 PM Is there a raffel stats page up yet? (Number of tickets purchased, Number of tickets from referrals, Total tickets etc. ?) This was intended to be an entertaining giveaway and the reason I chose Bit-Pay instead of making a new site for this alone was because I wanted to do the least work possible in giving it away, so no I didn't put a stats page up. Is that normal for raffles? What about when they are offline? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: norulezapply on March 09, 2012, 01:48:24 PM Is there a raffel stats page up yet? (Number of tickets purchased, Number of tickets from referrals, Total tickets etc. ?) This was intended to be an entertaining giveaway and the reason I chose Bit-Pay instead of making a new site for this alone was because I wanted to do the least work possible in giving it away, so no I didn't put a stats page up. Is that normal for raffles? What about when they are offline? That's fair enough. But it wouldn't be too hard to get a basic stats page up would it? Assuming you have all the ticket details stored in a database anyway you could just query that and display stats with a PHP script? I think it's standard for online raffles, obviously not offline ones, but in offline raffles you can generally watch people buying tickets in person. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 01:53:15 PM in offline raffles you can generally watch people buying tickets in person. True (but I don't know if they announce it, I'm looking into some rulebooks for raffles so I can make sure I don't misunderstand some basic rules here). Assuming you have all the ticket details stored in a database anyway you could just query that and display stats with a PHP script? Everything is going through Bit-Pay, and once everyone has paid at the end of the timeline, I can request a CSV file obviously, but I can't just "query" the database like that at will -_-; Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: norulezapply on March 09, 2012, 01:57:05 PM Everything is going through Bit-Pay, and once everyone has paid at the end of the timeline, I can request a CSV file obviously, but I can't just "query" the database like that at will -_-; So how about just importing the updated CSV file once a day into a database then? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 01:59:40 PM Everything is going through Bit-Pay, and once everyone has paid at the end of the timeline, I can request a CSV file obviously, but I can't just "query" the database like that at will -_-; So how about just importing the updated CSV file once a day into a database then? How about not completely ruining the otherwise fun event that this was intended to be by making it a nerdy math game? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: norulezapply on March 09, 2012, 02:04:43 PM Everything is going through Bit-Pay, and once everyone has paid at the end of the timeline, I can request a CSV file obviously, but I can't just "query" the database like that at will -_-; So how about just importing the updated CSV file once a day into a database then? How about not completely ruining the otherwise fun event that this was intended to be by making it a nerdy math game? I'll pass then, thanks -.- Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: norulezapply on March 09, 2012, 02:17:58 PM Problem is I don't know whether I should buy 1 or 1,000 tickets in order to have any chance at all in winning this raffle. My problem is I don't know whether buying tickets warrants any chance of winning at all no matter how many you buy. Something to show a bit of validity would be nice.Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 02:18:03 PM Yes, because statistics to give it a little bit of validity Validity? Okay, maybe I misread your tone. If that's all you want then that's different. Question though-- I'm the founder of the DCAO, DialCoin, Smallpla.net, BitDex, BIT-FU, Bittalk Media (Bitcoin Magazine and Bittalk.tv) and one of the most active producers in the Bitcoin community. Are you actually worried about me trying to scam people out of $650 for a Bitforce that I already have 2 more coming in the mail of? Cool story bro. Problem is I don't know whether I should buy 1 or 1,000 tickets in order to have any chance at all in winning this raffle. The real question I want to ask is "Would you know that in any other raffle in the universe?" Problem is I don't know whether I should buy 1 or 1,000 tickets in order to have any chance at all in winning this raffle. Definitely 1000 - then you can tell everybody else to go home, because you will be the only winner of the $2,500 BFL single.I lol'ed. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 09, 2012, 02:18:53 PM Problem is I don't know whether I should buy 1 or 1,000 tickets in order to have any chance at all in winning this raffle. Definitely 1000 - then you can tell everybody else to go home, because you will be the only winner of the $2,500 BFL single.Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: norulezapply on March 09, 2012, 02:20:33 PM Yes, because statistics to give it a little bit of validity Validity? Okay, maybe I misread your tone. If that's all you want then that's different. Question though-- I'm the founder of the DCAO, DialCoin, Smallpla.net, BitDex, BIT-FU, Bittalk Media (Bitcoin Magazine and Bittalk.tv) and one of the most active producers in the Bitcoin community. Are you actually worried about me trying to scam people out of $650 for a Bitforce that I already have 2 more coming in the mail of? Cool story bro. Fair enough. And yes. You're just another guy on the internet to me. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: vampire on March 09, 2012, 02:45:24 PM Validity? Okay, maybe I misread your tone. If that's all you want then that's different. Question though-- I'm the founder of the DCAO, DialCoin, Smallpla.net, BitDex, BIT-FU, Bittalk Media (Bitcoin Magazine and Bittalk.tv) and one of the most active producers in the Bitcoin community. These are credentials are meaningless. (Almost) Everyone knows that you have a big mouth, but your ability to deliver is an another question. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: pixilated8 on March 09, 2012, 02:48:30 PM In for 2. My first bitcoin purchase. :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: rjk on March 09, 2012, 02:48:34 PM Validity? Okay, maybe I misread your tone. If that's all you want then that's different. Question though-- I'm the founder of the DCAO, DialCoin, Smallpla.net, BitDex, BIT-FU, Bittalk Media (Bitcoin Magazine and Bittalk.tv) and one of the most active producers in the Bitcoin community. These are credentials are meaningless. (Almost) Everyone knows that you have a big mouth, but your ability to deliver is an another question. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 09, 2012, 02:50:48 PM Validity? Okay, maybe I misread your tone. If that's all you want then that's different. Question though-- I'm the founder of the DCAO, DialCoin, Smallpla.net, BitDex, BIT-FU, Bittalk Media (Bitcoin Magazine and Bittalk.tv) and one of the most active producers in the Bitcoin community. These are credentials are meaningless. (Almost) Everyone knows that you have a big mouth, but your ability to deliver is an another question. Yes because walking to the postoffice and mailing a BFSingle to the winner is going to be REALLY complicated. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Kluge on March 09, 2012, 03:13:48 PM I will buy *at least* 10 tickets one hour after I wake up tomorrow unless someone sends .25BTC to 1QHcAaRkNFg82mLyXc2HqZLqvX3QwnGQJr Hm. Thought this was fool-proof. One hour left.Cheers & good night! ;D ETA: *sigh* Quote Be sure to use Mwesoloski@gmail.com as your referral e-mail. I'll pay you back your 5 BTC plus an extra 5 BTC if I win and you buy 10 tickets with me as the referral. Done. I'll send you the Single for 10BTC + whatever Matt charges me + shipping if I win assuming you're interested, too. Sending after I consolidate some Bitcoin wallets & GLBSE processes my withdrawal.I'll pay anyone 1 BTC if they use me as a referral and I win! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: portron on March 09, 2012, 07:01:01 PM Bought a couple ;D
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: xxaudioxx on March 09, 2012, 08:30:42 PM entered... :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: vampire on March 09, 2012, 08:33:02 PM Yes because walking to the postoffice and mailing a BFSingle to the winner is going to be REALLY complicated. Yea, still waiting for that magazine that I paid for awhile back. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kakobrekla on March 10, 2012, 12:16:01 AM Well, why not :)
*buys some tickets* Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Ferroh on March 10, 2012, 02:14:28 AM So this is an anonymous raffle, where this guy can just 10000 tickets from himself if he wants, lowering everyone else's odds?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 10, 2012, 02:16:37 AM i dont know what your talking about ive already bought 20000 tickets :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 10, 2012, 02:22:39 AM i dont know what your talking about ive already bought 20000 tickets :) 10,000 BTC for a BFL?Hell I'll post you both of my Icarus for 1000 BTC each :) (Irarus ~ 1/2 the hash rate and ~ 1/4 the watts) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Kluge on March 10, 2012, 02:24:01 AM So this is an anonymous raffle, where this guy can just 10000 tickets from himself if he wants, lowering everyone else's odds? Just think of it as a fundraiser for.... Idunno. Matt, putting stuffed monkeys in the Bitcoin magazine packaging, obese Americans requiring medical care?Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 10, 2012, 02:28:36 AM hahaha , ive already got a bitforce single but I had to sell my soul to get it...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7216.msg788659#msg788659 I wanted to buy a few of those icarus boards but I found out he does not accept dwolla too late! I had already sold a boat load of coins for that purpose.... I think those icarus boards are very well built in fact I try to recommend them to people every chance I get, its amazing one person handles that entire business - props to ngzhang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=38132) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 10, 2012, 02:33:44 AM So this is an anonymous raffle, Quote a·non·y·mous [uh-non-uh-muhs] adjective 1. without any name acknowledged, as that of author, contributor, or the like: an anonymous letter to the editor; an anonymous donation. 2. of unknown name; whose name is withheld: an anonymous author. Learn 2 engrish. where this guy can just 10000 tickets from himself if he wants, lowering everyone else's odds? I guess it's possible, but since the entire list of sold tickets will be made public at the end of the auction, it'd be a very expensive scam for me wouldn't it?You see, if I were to be involved in such a petty small-time scam for a few hundred bucks, I'd give up the tens of thousands of dollars I am already able to make in the Bitcoin community doing legitimate work. Why don't you take a seat and I'll call you when the raffle ends. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 10, 2012, 02:36:31 AM So this is an anonymous raffle, Quote a·non·y·mous [uh-non-uh-muhs] adjective 1. without any name acknowledged, as that of author, contributor, or the like: an anonymous letter to the editor; an anonymous donation. 2. of unknown name; whose name is withheld: an anonymous author. Learn 2 engrish. where this guy can just 10000 tickets from himself if he wants, lowering everyone else's odds? I guess it's possible, but since the entire list of sold tickets will be made public at the end of the auction, it'd be a very expensive scam for me wouldn't it?You see, if I were to be involved in such a petty small-time scam for a few hundred bucks, I'd give up the tens of thousands of dollars I am already able to make in the Bitcoin community doing legitimate work. Why don't you take a seat and I'll call you when the raffle ends. +1 take a seat son - adults are talking Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 10, 2012, 03:36:15 AM 140 hours left until we start to calculate the winner!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: pandemic on March 10, 2012, 06:35:34 AM Umm...
Butterfly Labs BitForce Single Raffle Baekdu Mountain, Pyeongyang Korea North What?! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: BurtW on March 10, 2012, 10:42:52 AM Umm... Was covered earlier on up in the thread, look for the picture of a high mountain lake.Butterfly Labs BitForce Single Raffle Baekdu Mountain, Pyeongyang Korea North What?! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kakobrekla on March 10, 2012, 12:51:22 PM I guess it's possible, but since the entire list of sold tickets will be made public at the end of the auction, it'd be a very expensive scam for me wouldn't it? If you plan to publish our email addys, please make them robot parser unfriendly. Thanks. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 10, 2012, 01:58:31 PM I guess it's possible, but since the entire list of sold tickets will be made public at the end of the auction, it'd be a very expensive scam for me wouldn't it? If you plan to publish our email addys, please make them robot parser unfriendly. Thanks. Good point. Will do. I'll do one better and put it as a. Google shared doc. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 10, 2012, 09:44:26 PM I just created a new email for it.
Best spam solution coz you also know who or where your email address was garnered from. I do that every time I sign up to anything on the planet ... I've got about 550 email addresses - rarely have to close them down ... the latest one that got spam was one I registered at the bioware forum for mass effect 3 years ago - started getting spam this week ... no idea why, but I just remove the address and bye bye spam (of course it also helps that I own 30 domains) I do have a few addresses that have been getting spam for over 10 years that I use for training my Bayesian filter - they get around 300 spam a day - last time I checked ... a year or so ago. There, some useless info about spam from someone who's (not very successfully) been fighting it for well over 10 years :D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 10, 2012, 09:50:34 PM I just created a new email for it. Best spam solution coz you also know who or where your email address was garnered from. I do that every time I sign up to anything on the planet ... I've got about 550 email addresses - rarely have to close them down ... the latest one that got spam was one I registered at the bioware forum for mass effect 3 years ago - started getting spam this week ... no idea why, but I just remove the address and bye bye spam (of course it also helps that I own 30 domains) I do have a few addresses that have been getting spam for over 10 years that I use for training my Bayesian filter - they get around 300 spam a day - last time I checked ... a year or so ago. There, some useless info about spam from someone who's (not very successfully) been fighting it for well over 10 years :D cablepair's #1 Spam tip for the masses: STAY OFF PORN SITES donations: 1NzQwf3MmuCV4eu6ecCZiViXWHsFjJMaDs Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 10, 2012, 10:09:40 PM ... LOL - well yes that's the biggest cause of spam AND computer problems.cablepair's #1 Spam tip for the masses: STAY OFF PORN SITES donations: 1NzQwf3MmuCV4eu6ecCZiViXWHsFjJMaDs I used to fix home computers but got sick of doing that. 90% of the time the problem was some male member of the house was downloading porn that the other members of the house didn't know about ... I got varying different responses to my description of the problem and how to avoid it in the future :D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: foggyb on March 10, 2012, 10:15:59 PM I just created a new email for it. Best spam solution coz you also know who or where your email address was garnered from. I do that every time I sign up to anything on the planet ... I've got about 550 email addresses - rarely have to close them down ... There's a better way - sign up for hushmail service. Its free for a year, then it costs $30/year. They have a feature called pseudonyms - you can add an unlimited number of these to your account, they are just like creating a new email account. If you get spam on a specific pseudonym, just delete it from your list. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 10, 2012, 10:17:19 PM ... LOL - well yes that's the biggest cause of spam AND computer problems.cablepair's #1 Spam tip for the masses: STAY OFF PORN SITES donations: 1NzQwf3MmuCV4eu6ecCZiViXWHsFjJMaDs I used to fix home computers but got sick of doing that. 90% of the time the problem was some male member of the house was downloading porn that the other members of the house didn't know about ... I got varying different responses to my description of the problem and how to avoid it in the future :D ROTFL I did on-site pc repair for quite a few years and I saw that problem over and over again. WIFE: I dont understand how we keep getting viruses! HUSBAND: Here son - take an extra $20 for doing such a great job! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: rjk on March 10, 2012, 10:17:40 PM I just created a new email for it. Best spam solution coz you also know who or where your email address was garnered from. I do that every time I sign up to anything on the planet ... I've got about 550 email addresses - rarely have to close them down ... There's a better way - sign up for hushmail service. Its free for a year, then it costs $30/year. They have a feature called pseudonyms - you can add an unlimited number of these to your account, they are just like creating a new email account. If you get spam on a specific pseudonym, just delete it from your list. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: payb.tc on March 10, 2012, 10:26:10 PM if you don't need to reply, and don't need it to be private, you can use *@mailinator.com
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 10, 2012, 10:52:28 PM I just created a new email for it. Best spam solution coz you also know who or where your email address was garnered from. I do that every time I sign up to anything on the planet ... I've got about 550 email addresses - rarely have to close them down ... There's a better way - sign up for hushmail service. Its free for a year, then it costs $30/year. They have a feature called pseudonyms - you can add an unlimited number of these to your account, they are just like creating a new email account. If you get spam on a specific pseudonym, just delete it from your list. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: foggyb on March 10, 2012, 11:34:05 PM managing 550 email addresses is not free! ;)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 10, 2012, 11:49:02 PM if you don't need to reply, and don't need it to be private, you can use *@mailinator.com This. Also, 120 hours left. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 11, 2012, 01:12:44 AM managing 550 email addresses is not free! ;) It is if to add a new I just add one line of text to a single text file .... "virtusertable, then type make" each time I want one :)Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 11, 2012, 11:13:17 PM Here is my recommended method to declare winning ticket numbers of any forum lottery: 1. Publish block# to determine winner. For this lottery's timeline, block 171420 (~8 days from now) after 120 confirmations could be the one to determine the winner... Is this the block number you will use to determine the winner? It looks like it's going to be on schedule since block rate is 99% of expected rate. (http://dot-bit.org/tools/nextDifficulty.php) I have uploaded a web page to do the same ticket winner calculation as I outlined earlier (from a blockexplorer-type site, you have to cut and paste the last 10 digits of the block's hash): http://we.lovebitco.in/lottery.html Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 12, 2012, 12:52:47 AM How about ... 2 blocks after the first block with a UTC block time (at least 1 second) after the UTC end of the competition?
Though you'd have to wait a while after any chosen block due to possible orphans :) (also ... I have no idea what you said you'll do about people posting transactions to buy tickets close to the end or late - since even if someone posts a transaction before the closing time, it could end up in a block after the closing time: transactions don't have a time field, only the block they go into has a time field) :) who thought a simple raffle could be considered geekily complex :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 12, 2012, 12:56:39 AM How about ... 2 blocks after the first block with a UTC block time (at least 1 second) after the UTC end of the competition? Though you'd have to wait a while after any chosen block due to possible orphans :) (also ... I have no idea what you said you'll do about people posting transactions to buy tickets close to the end or late - since even if someone posts a transaction before the closing time, it could end up in a block after the closing time: transactions don't have a time field, only the block they go into has a time field) :) who thought a simple raffle could be considered geekily complex :) Certainly not me, and if it continues in this direction I'm just going to roll a dice and flip everyone off. ;D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: check_status on March 12, 2012, 05:37:44 AM Umm... Was covered earlier on up in the thread, look for the picture of a high mountain lake.Butterfly Labs BitForce Single Raffle Baekdu Mountain, Pyeongyang Korea North What?! Mathew N. Wright, millionaire. He owns a mansion, not in Nigger Creek, but in some White Haven. :D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 12, 2012, 05:39:38 AM You mean it's not up for more rational suggestions? $12.10 USPS to Korea? :D Mathew N. Wright, millionaire. He owns a mansion, not in Nigger Creek, but in some White Haven. :D I find your choice of words revolting. I am a billionaire, get it straight. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: ercolinux on March 12, 2012, 05:44:13 AM Joined
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: MaxSan on March 12, 2012, 07:39:59 AM entered. ive never won anything in my life. lets hope this will change it :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 12, 2012, 12:24:47 PM 83 hours left and counting. Anyone can win this with just a single entry. If you buy two entries, you'll have twice the chance of winning! (Aren't I good at math?)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kronosvl on March 12, 2012, 12:30:30 PM 83 hours left and counting. Anyone can win this with just a single entry. If you buy two entries, you'll have twice the chance of winning! (Aren't I good at math?) Nope with 100 participants if you have 1 ticket you get 1/100 chance. If you buy a second ticket you will get 2/101 which is not double. :P Sorry but I had to contradict you. don't know why :D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 12, 2012, 12:36:34 PM 83 hours left and counting. Anyone can win this with just a single entry. If you buy two entries, you'll have twice the chance of winning! (Aren't I good at math?) Nope with 100 participants if you have 1 ticket you get 1/100 chance. If you buy a second ticket you will get 2/101 which is not double. :P Sorry but I had to contradict you. don't know why :D I said it tongue in cheek, but now I'll clarify with actual figures: If you have no raffle credits and you buy one raffle credit, you in fact increase your chances of winning by 100%. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: payb.tc on March 12, 2012, 12:38:39 PM 83 hours left and counting. Anyone can win this with just a single entry. If you buy two entries, you'll have twice the chance of winning! (Aren't I good at math?) Nope with 100 participants if you have 1 ticket you get 1/100 chance. If you buy a second ticket you will get 2/101 which is not double. :P Sorry but I had to contradict you. don't know why :D I said it tongue in cheek, but now I'll clarify with actual figures: If you have no raffle credits and you buy one raffle credit, you in fact increase your chances of winning by 100%. i thought going from 0% chance to anything would be much more than a 100% increase. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 12, 2012, 12:41:01 PM 83 hours left and counting. Anyone can win this with just a single entry. If you buy two entries, you'll have twice the chance of winning! (Aren't I good at math?) Nope with 100 participants if you have 1 ticket you get 1/100 chance. If you buy a second ticket you will get 2/101 which is not double. :P Sorry but I had to contradict you. don't know why :D I said it tongue in cheek, but now I'll clarify with actual figures: If you have no raffle credits and you buy one raffle credit, you in fact increase your chances of winning by 100%. i thought going from 0% chance to anything would be much more than a 100% increase. Again, I'll clarify: Participating in this raffle versus not participating in this raffle, increases your chances of winning dramatically. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 12, 2012, 12:41:20 PM 83 hours left and counting. Anyone can win this with just a single entry. If you buy two entries, you'll have twice the chance of winning! (Aren't I good at math?) Nope with 100 participants if you have 1 ticket you get 1/100 chance. If you buy a second ticket you will get 2/101 which is not double. :P Sorry but I had to contradict you. don't know why :D I said it tongue in cheek, but now I'll clarify with actual figures: If you have no raffle credits and you buy one raffle credit, you in fact increase your chances of winning by 100%. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kronosvl on March 12, 2012, 12:41:52 PM I said it tongue in cheek, but now I'll clarify with actual figures: If you have no raffle credits and you buy one raffle credit, you in fact increase your chances of winning by 100%. Not again. you are gonna hate me for this. 0% increased to x% is a infinite% increase (divide by 0 stuff) On topic now: how many tickets sold by now? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 12, 2012, 12:44:26 PM I said it tongue in cheek, but now I'll clarify with actual figures: If you have no raffle credits and you buy one raffle credit, you in fact increase your chances of winning by 100%. Not again. you are gonna hate me for this. 0% increased to x% is a infinite% increase (divide by 0 stuff) On topic now: how many tickets sold by now? I will release the numbers after selling just 69 more tickets. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kronosvl on March 12, 2012, 12:47:48 PM I see. My prediction is that with 69 more you will get around break even point and announce a secondary raffle with the money raised from this one. :D
Congrats btw. great idea Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 12, 2012, 12:54:28 PM On topic now: how many tickets sold by now? I will release the numbers after selling just 69 more tickets. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Jonathan Ryan Owens on March 14, 2012, 12:04:07 PM How many tickets left? I'm thinking of buying a few.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 14, 2012, 12:37:15 PM How many tickets left? I'm thinking of buying a few. As many as you wish to buy.Just click on the link in the 2nd post. ( https://bit-pay.com/cart/add?itemId=jb9uOYktZ2nto_gxGDfPnbZKaaJTFDaB8bqN-hwsQgw= ) Title: Re: . Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 14, 2012, 01:03:53 PM 34 hours left people! Also, I know I promised once 69 more credits were sold I would reveal the credit count (even though I am not required to for any reason whatsoever) just as a show of good faith, I decided to go ahead and show it now. To date, there have been 225 raffle credits sold. https://i.imgur.com/D4iLT.png (https://bit-pay.com/cart/add?itemId=jb9uOYktZ2nto_gxGDfPnbZKaaJTFDaB8bqN-hwsQgw=) Rules for normal participation (IMPORTANT!)
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Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: gewure on March 14, 2012, 06:09:50 PM participated with 2 tickets :)
im feeling lucky Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: ohforf on March 14, 2012, 06:58:19 PM Hmm.. with 225 Tickets sold (2 of them are mine), my Chance to win is a little less than 1%.
Compared to A lottery, this is a very good Chance. :P Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: PulsedMedia on March 14, 2012, 09:08:05 PM i'll bite, bought a few tickets :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cyberlync on March 15, 2012, 05:35:52 AM couldn't stay out, let's see if I'm the lucky bastich.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Phraust on March 15, 2012, 05:56:44 AM Heh, too tempting :D
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: SuperTramp on March 15, 2012, 06:11:08 AM ;D nice!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dirtycat on March 15, 2012, 06:22:09 AM watching!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: NothinG on March 15, 2012, 06:24:12 AM Subscribed. ;D
Want to see who wins this contraption. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: payb.tc on March 15, 2012, 06:24:33 AM watching! waiting!Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 15, 2012, 06:48:58 AM hoping!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 15, 2012, 07:13:11 AM Well the timing is good so far for the finish - Gox USD is $5.35 at the moment (but was $5.40 earlier)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Otoh on March 15, 2012, 10:25:09 AM just bought a few tickets :) first time to use bit-pay, so easy ;D
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: trouserless on March 15, 2012, 11:29:49 AM just bought a few tickets :) first time to use bit-pay, so easy ;D +1 bitpay is excellent, very fast, very convenient. grabbed a couple, I can't resist odds like 1 in 100, won a bike once with worse odds Title: Re: . Post by: Omni on March 15, 2012, 11:57:25 AM 34 hours left people! Also, I know I promised once 69 more credits were sold I would reveal the credit count (even though I am not required to for any reason whatsoever) just as a show of good faith, I decided to go ahead and show it now. To date, there have been 225 raffle credits sold. Title: Re: . Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 15, 2012, 12:00:05 PM 34 hours left people! Also, I know I promised once 69 more credits were sold I would reveal the credit count (even though I am not required to for any reason whatsoever) just as a show of good faith, I decided to go ahead and show it now. To date, there have been 225 raffle credits sold. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 15, 2012, 12:37:51 PM Less than 12 hours left!
Fair warning for last chances to buy credits! I don't want to hear any bitches whining about not having heard about this "Blah blah blah I was at work blah blah what a rip off" etc. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 15, 2012, 12:58:06 PM Oh gosh we were situated at our bailiwick of industrial servitude.
Impuissant to procure supplementary said speculative chit. One has attained a sensation of having been inveigled perfidiously. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 15, 2012, 01:03:29 PM Oh gosh we were situated at our bailiwick of industrial servitude. Impuissant to procure supplementary said speculative chit. One has attained a sensation of having been inveigled perfidiously. Hate to break it to you bro, but you've become a spambot. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: filharvey on March 15, 2012, 04:03:03 PM Well bought a ticket, crossing my fingers, but I have an order for my own anyway, but a second would be nice.
Actually just purchased a couple more. :-) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Mousepotato on March 15, 2012, 06:01:38 PM I want to buy a ticket. How do we do this?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: ohforf on March 15, 2012, 06:05:38 PM I want to buy a ticket. How do we do this? Click the Big Image that says "click here". ;D https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67937.msg791245#msg791245 Edit: also post 3 more times to reach 1337 posts. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: BurtW on March 15, 2012, 06:06:32 PM You need to be able to read. Unless you can read the first two posts in this thread there is no way to enter :D
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Mousepotato on March 15, 2012, 06:29:16 PM I want to buy a ticket. How do we do this? Click the Big Image that says "click here". ;D https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67937.msg791245#msg791245 Edit: also post 3 more times to reach 1337 posts. Oh, now I see the links (had to do a Quote on the OP). Imgur.com is blocked for me at work :( Thanks! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Mousepotato on March 15, 2012, 06:49:44 PM Ok, I just bought two tickets :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 15, 2012, 06:50:59 PM Imgur.com is blocked for me at work :( Thanks! What the... that's why I stopped using imageshack.us. Gah. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: MelMan2002 on March 15, 2012, 10:06:07 PM So...do we have a winner?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: MelMan2002 on March 15, 2012, 10:06:46 PM Oh, looks like another hour I guess ::)
My forum settings hadn't adjusted for daylight savings... Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 15, 2012, 10:10:10 PM This raffle started at:
March 09, 2012, 08:10:39 AM and it will end at March 16, 2012, 08:10:39 AM (which is in about 1 hour from now) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: mila on March 15, 2012, 10:28:34 PM This raffle will end at March 16, 2012, 08:10:39 AM (which is in about 1 hour from now) would you mind to elaborate on your offset to GMT, please? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Jonathan Ryan Owens on March 15, 2012, 10:30:02 PM This raffle will end at March 16, 2012, 08:10:39 AM (which is in about 1 hour from now) would you mind to elaborate on your offset to GMT, please? The auction ended 20 minutes ago. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: MelMan2002 on March 15, 2012, 10:30:53 PM This raffle will end at March 16, 2012, 08:10:39 AM (which is in about 1 hour from now) would you mind to elaborate on your offset to GMT, please? That looks like GMT+9 so still 40 mins away. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: filharvey on March 15, 2012, 11:04:56 PM I guess it is happening in 5 mins or so?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 15, 2012, 11:17:49 PM Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 15, 2012, 11:18:54 PM The Bit-pay item has been disabled so now no one can buy any more credits.
Today I'll be requesting the complete list of credit purchases in a spreadsheet and publishing it on this thread for all to see. Then we will decide on a way to pick the winner. Good luck everyone! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: mila on March 15, 2012, 11:21:20 PM The Bit-pay item has been disabled so now no one can buy any more credits. Today I'll be requesting the complete list of credit purchases in a spreadsheet and publishing it on this thread for all to see. Then we will decide on a way to pick the winner. would you mind to _not_ publish email addresses? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 15, 2012, 11:23:47 PM The Bit-pay item has been disabled so now no one can buy any more credits. Today I'll be requesting the complete list of credit purchases in a spreadsheet and publishing it on this thread for all to see. Then we will decide on a way to pick the winner. would you mind to _not_ publish email addresses? Rules for normal participation (IMPORTANT!)
Also At that time, I will release the actual ticket list, omitting the winner's email addresses and an independent party can run the list if they like. This is up to the community, I couldn't care less who does it so long as the math works and it's fair. [/list]Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 15, 2012, 11:34:40 PM Which block?
Current is 171310. Which seems to be the first one after the game expiry. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 15, 2012, 11:42:14 PM Which block? Current is 171310. Which seems to be the first one after the game expiry. We'll use that one then. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dab on March 16, 2012, 12:29:33 AM Hm. It'd be sweet if I won. I just bought another 5870, so this on top of that, would just be my dream mining setup. xD. I'm by no means a hardcore miner. I do it mainly for heating my room, and because bitcoins interest me. :>
Bring on the luck! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: mila on March 16, 2012, 12:31:10 AM would you mind to _not_ publish email addresses? Rules for normal participation (IMPORTANT!) Also... Provide a valid e-mail address that you do not mind sharing publicly. At that time, I will release the actual ticket list, omitting the winner's email addresses thanks for the omitting ... one thing is to have address published in case of winning, something else is to have the address published for grabbing ... Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kakobrekla on March 16, 2012, 12:37:15 AM would you mind to _not_ publish email addresses? Rules for normal participation (IMPORTANT!) Also... Provide a valid e-mail address that you do not mind sharing publicly. At that time, I will release the actual ticket list, omitting the winner's email addresses thanks for the omitting ... one thing is to have address published in case of winning, something else is to have the address published for grabbing ... Release SHA of the each email - everyone can verify they are on the list.... Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 12:43:25 AM Release SHA of the each email - everyone can verify they are on the list.... Good idea. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: ohforf on March 16, 2012, 12:56:51 AM Release SHA of the each email - everyone can verify they are on the list.... Good idea. So, we can enter our email adresses in something like this: http://www.webtoolkit.info/demo/javascript-sha-256 ... and search the hash in the List, right ? I have to admit, this is a smart solution to the Problem. 8) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kakobrekla on March 16, 2012, 01:10:23 AM Release SHA of the each email - everyone can verify they are on the list.... Good idea. So, we can enter our email adresses in something like this: http://www.webtoolkit.info/demo/javascript-sha-256 ... and search the hash in the List, right ? I have to admit, this is a smart solution to the Problem. 8) Well, it is kind of obvious, this being a 'crypto' forum.. :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kibblesnbits on March 16, 2012, 01:12:08 AM Awesome - Matthew, even if I don't win this was a really fun raffle! I hope you got a least a little coin as a takeaway for your effort.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: ohforf on March 16, 2012, 01:20:19 AM Release SHA of the each email - everyone can verify they are on the list.... Good idea. So, we can enter our email adresses in something like this: http://www.webtoolkit.info/demo/javascript-sha-256 ... and search the hash in the List, right ? I have to admit, this is a smart solution to the Problem. 8) Well, it is kind of obvious, this being a 'crypto' forum.. :) Might be obvious for you and many other smart People around here... but I'm sure not all Members of this Forum understand what SHA is about and how to use it. I was just asking to make sure i understand how to use it, and point it out to others that may be even less experienced in Cryptographic Matters. :P Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 16, 2012, 01:40:06 AM On linux :)
echo -n "myemail@spambot.spam" | sha256sum Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Red Emerald on March 16, 2012, 01:47:51 AM On linux :) echo -n "myemail@spambot.spam" | sha256sum On mac echo -n "myemail@spambot.spam" | shasum -a 256 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: NothinG on March 16, 2012, 02:01:07 AM On linux :) echo -n "myemail@spambot.spam" | sha256sum On mac echo -n "myemail@spambot.spam" | shasum -a 256 1) http://www.labtestproject.com/files/win/sha256sum/sha256sum.exe 2) run cmd.exe cd to where you put the sha256sum.exe type in: 2.a) sha256sum.exe "myemail@spambot.spam" Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: payb.tc on March 16, 2012, 02:20:49 AM On linux :) echo -n "myemail@spambot.spam" | sha256sum On mac echo -n "myemail@spambot.spam" | shasum -a 256 On windows format c: -email="myemail@spambot.spam" something256 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: rjk on March 16, 2012, 02:42:12 AM On linux :) echo -n "myemail@spambot.spam" | sha256sum On mac echo -n "myemail@spambot.spam" | shasum -a 256 1) http://www.labtestproject.com/files/win/sha256sum/sha256sum.exe 2) run cmd.exe cd to where you put the sha256sum.exe type in: 2.a) sha256sum.exe "myemail@spambot.spam" Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 16, 2012, 02:44:05 AM never seen such a grand crypto-nerd pissing contest in my life - good shit! ;)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 16, 2012, 02:57:31 AM Which block? Current is 171310. Which seems to be the first one after the game expiry. We'll use that one then. That's not how it's done, otherwise there is no point... First the spreadsheet is published, then the winner is picked by a future block in the blockchain. That is to make sure it is not: 1. The winning ticket number is chosen 2. The organizer publishes the manipulated list, with the entrant he desires to win having the winning ticket number. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 05:15:21 AM Which block? Current is 171310. Which seems to be the first one after the game expiry. We'll use that one then. That's not how it's done, otherwise there is no point... First the spreadsheet is published, then the winner is picked by a future block in the blockchain. That is to make sure it is not: 1. The winning ticket number is chosen 2. The organizer publishes the manipulated list, with the the entrant he desires to win having the winning ticket number. Understood. I'm converting the list right now. I'll publish it here when it's ready. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: check_status on March 16, 2012, 05:16:47 AM This is intense, I'm getting antsy.
https://i.imgur.com/a15tZ.gif Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 16, 2012, 05:20:28 AM Which block? Current is 171310. Which seems to be the first one after the game expiry. We'll use that one then. That's not how it's done, otherwise there is no point... First the spreadsheet is published, then the winner is picked by a future block in the blockchain. That is to make sure it is not: 1. The winning ticket number is chosen 2. The organizer publishes the manipulated list, with the the entrant he desires to win having the winning ticket number. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 07:15:23 AM The complete list of emails (SHA256 hashed) and their corresponding earned credits are below.
Code: 25904a91f420e952e93d5686f57f7d84ba07595b23cb26ace5240fbdaff7e604 1.25 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dollartrader on March 16, 2012, 07:26:50 AM If I bought tickets on two separate occasions, is that listed twice in your list?
I don't see one line that would correlate to the total amount of tickets I purchased? (via the same email address) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 07:35:37 AM If I bought tickets on two separate occasions, is that listed twice in your list? I don't see one line that would correlate to the total amount of tickets I purchased? (via the same email address) Did you find your email in the list? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 16, 2012, 07:41:46 AM Hmm ... now ... how to think up something to make the 29th row the answer without being suspicious ... :)
Edit: Hey - hang on - you only got 153 people and less than 200BTC (after free extras) oh well, but I'm surprised you didn't do better. Edit2: Oh ... I divided that by 2 ... OK you did do better - good :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 07:41:58 AM Hmm ... now ... how to think up something to make the 29th row the answer without being suspicious ... :) lol Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dollartrader on March 16, 2012, 07:49:40 AM Got it, didn't think to hash it myself and search....numbers are coins spent/earned(?) rather than tickets purchased.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 16, 2012, 08:04:22 AM Got it, didn't think to hash it myself and search....numbers are coins spent/earned(?) rather than tickets purchased. Yep numbers are BTC you have for shares.I guess that number will be multiplied by something like 20 or 100 to determine your shares (I can't remember the decision on that one) If it's 100, then there's a total 20,645 shares Hmm for me 0.726% chance not bad :) Edit: I mistyped that - just noticed: it's 20,645 :P not 20,654 - fixed it. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:05:34 AM Got it, didn't think to hash it myself and search....numbers are coins spent/earned(?) rather than tickets purchased. Yep numbers are BTC you have for shares.I guess that number will be multiplied by something like 20 or 100 to determine your shares (I can't remember the decision on that one) If it's 100, then there's a total 20,654 shares Hmm for me 0.726% chance not bad :) Exactly. 1.25 would be 125 shares. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: FreshJR on March 16, 2012, 08:08:40 AM I am in the list :)
Will this list be updated so I can see which number I will be mine? (Ex. Hash 1 is num 0 and each .5 credits earns a position (increments number by 1)) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 16, 2012, 08:15:33 AM Simple spreadsheet (using OpenOffice :P): Column A = hash, Column B = BTC
If you copy the code box above and paste-special it into a spreadsheet as tab separated (but merge multiple separators) That will give you 153 rows in A and B C1 = B1 * 100 Then copy C1 and paste over C2 ... C153 D1 = 0 E1 = C1 - 1 D2 = D1 + C1 Then copy D2 and paste over D3 ... D153 E2 = E1 + C2 Then copy E2 and paste over E3 ... E153 You now have all the number ranges for each row zero based (Hash row shares go from D to E) Someone want to make a google spreadsheet of that? (I still don't know how to do that with google :P) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: mila on March 16, 2012, 08:16:48 AM I am in the list :) Will this list be updated so I can see which number I will be mine? (Ex. Hash 1 is num 0 and each .5 credits earns a position (increments number by 1)) smallest common denomination is .05 so .5 credit would be 10 tickets the fractions of a credit come from the referrals, I'm sure you'd figure that out as well if thought carefully enough about it ;) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:25:39 AM Simple spreadsheet (using OpenOffice :P): Column A = hash, Column B = BTC If you copy the code box above and paste-special it into a spreadsheet as tab separated (but merge multiple separators) That will give you 153 rows in A and B C1 = B1 * 100 Then copy C1 and paste over C2 ... C153 D1 = 0 E1 = C1 - 1 D2 = D1 + C1 Then copy D2 and paste over D3 ... D153 E2 = E1 + C2 Then copy E2 and paste over E3 ... E153 You now have all the number ranges for each row zero based (Hash row shares go from D to E) Someone want to make a google spreadsheet of that? (I still don't know how to do that with google :P) It already exists as a spreadsheet in openoffice (that's where I hashed it with an SHA256 macro). I will create a google doc also. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: payb.tc on March 16, 2012, 09:07:22 AM whoohooo i'm not in the list!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kliffen on March 16, 2012, 09:09:14 AM whoohooo i'm not in the list! Forgive my stupidity, but how do you find that out? :c EDIT: Convert text to SHA256? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kliffen on March 16, 2012, 09:14:57 AM whoohooo i'm not in the list! Forgive my stupidity, but how do you find that out? :c EDIT: Convert text to SHA256? i would like to know too.. thanks I think you enter your email here -> http://www.timestampgenerator.com/tools/sha256-generator/ If the SHA256 hash you get is equal to one in the list he posted, you're in (i think atleast) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 16, 2012, 09:22:39 AM whoohooo i'm not in the list! Forgive my stupidity, but how do you find that out? :c EDIT: Convert text to SHA256? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kliffen on March 16, 2012, 09:24:53 AM whoohooo i'm not in the list! Forgive my stupidity, but how do you find that out? :c EDIT: Convert text to SHA256? Sorry for not reading through the thread, but i did figure it out:) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: NothinG on March 16, 2012, 09:34:36 AM Okay, sow how do we know who is the winner. I know there was ideas on how it should be done, but I don't think there was ever a finalized way.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: tynt on March 16, 2012, 09:56:07 AM Now we have to just find an algorithm that prefers my email hash and we have a winner!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: mila on March 16, 2012, 11:11:21 AM let's bid bribes; highest bidder gets to choose the winning address ;) I offer 42 btc and won't tell anybody
wait. I sense I'm doing it wrong Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kliffen on March 16, 2012, 11:19:28 AM let's bid bribes; highest bidder gets to choose the winning address ;) I offer 42 btc and won't tell anybody wait. I sense I'm doing it wrong http://archivethumb2.foolz.us/board/a/img/0615/42/1329535937968.jpg Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: ohforf on March 16, 2012, 12:11:18 PM *yawn* still no Winner ?
You know how to implement that Random Number Thingy, its not Rocket Science. :P http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png I know most of you have seen this 100 Times, but i cant resist the Temptation to point it out again. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: check_status on March 16, 2012, 01:02:47 PM Random picker's
http://andrew.hedges.name/experiments/random/ http://www.randompicker.com/Default.aspx http://www.random.org/ (<--Satoshi, according to PG theory.) I wouldn't trust it unless there were some type of live webcast of the picker picking. :D http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/data/500/tin-foil-hat.jpg Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Joshwaa on March 16, 2012, 01:08:43 PM I will not post anything inflammatory for 72 hours. Can we raffle this? (going into a coma would not count) I want it the other way. I will pay .5BTC for LoupGaroux to post more inflammatory comments. He just cracks me up. Entered the raffle also!! Go me! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Otoh on March 16, 2012, 01:17:12 PM for complete newbs, like me :-[, who don't even know how to search the spreadsheet for one's SHA-256 email address, just copy the SS & paste it in to a reply draft in this forum & your SHA-256 email address in to the search box for it to be highlighted, I'm in :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: norulezapply on March 16, 2012, 01:18:20 PM I will not post anything inflammatory for 72 hours. Can we raffle this? (going into a coma would not count) I want it the other way. I will pay .5BTC for LoupGaroux to post more inflammatory comments. He just cracks me up. Entered the raffle also!! Go me! I think you're a bit late... Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: BadBear on March 16, 2012, 01:20:48 PM Yay, I won. Thanks for all the fish!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: ohforf on March 16, 2012, 01:25:43 PM Yay, I won. Thanks for all the fish! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-azXtOSZ0l8o/TgvWaEXUjKI/AAAAAAAAADQ/P2E_IMFq010/s1600/oh_no_you_didnt.gif Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: gewure on March 16, 2012, 01:30:48 PM ha, badbear. lucky you are :)
i would have loved to claim it mine! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 16, 2012, 01:32:13 PM ha, badbear. lucky you are :) i would have loved to claim it mine! I do not believe the winner has been determined yet has it? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: BadBear on March 16, 2012, 01:36:17 PM It hasn't, I be trollin. ;)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 16, 2012, 01:54:12 PM It hasn't, I be trollin. ;) thats what I thought :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 16, 2012, 01:56:43 PM The complete list of emails (SHA256 hashed) and their corresponding earned credits are below. Code: 25904a91f420e952e93d5686f57f7d84ba07595b23cb26ace5240fbdaff7e604 1.25 Quoted for posterity. Since you hadn't done it, I have prepared the list, converting credits into raffle numbers (number of "tickets" = credits * 100, as suggested by notme), if you want to use this. That gives a total of 20645 tickets, numbered 0-20644. I added leading 0's back to the hashes that were shorter than they should have been. I previously gave an example of block 171420 as the one to determine winner, but that's happening in a few hours; it seems there should be more time than that, so everyone can see the list was done right and their email is there. MNW can specify the block, as long as it is a few blocks in the future from when he posts it. Disclosure - my email should be in there but I haven't checked yet. Code: First Last entrant email address sha256 hash credits x100 P.S., some entrants obviously discovered the "referral" game proposed has only one solution - buy one, use that email as referral to buy all your other tickets, giving you .65 credits for each additional .5 BTC spent. And get people who don't math to use your referral. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm giving it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Joshwaa on March 16, 2012, 01:59:11 PM I will not post anything inflammatory for 72 hours. Can we raffle this? (going into a coma would not count) I want it the other way. I will pay .5BTC for LoupGaroux to post more inflammatory comments. He just cracks me up. Entered the raffle also!! Go me! I think you're a bit late... Wondering why the page would not load to get the ticket. One day I will start to look at the date thingy on the posts. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cyberlync on March 16, 2012, 02:15:27 PM Hmm checked the list, and It seems as if I only got half the tickets I purchased.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kliffen on March 16, 2012, 02:17:57 PM Hmm checked the list, and It seems as if I only got half the tickets I purchased. It lists number of BTC paid, not number of tickets :) Thus the x.5s Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: BurtW on March 16, 2012, 02:18:53 PM Hmm checked the list, and It seems as if I only got half the tickets I purchased. Those numbers are in BTC, not tickets.So, how hard and complicated can we make it to figure out a single secure and fair random number between 0 and 20644? Edit: I am thinking of a number right now - can we use mine? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cyberlync on March 16, 2012, 02:23:45 PM Hmm checked the list, and It seems as if I only got half the tickets I purchased. It lists number of BTC paid, not number of tickets :) Thus the x.5s What about the 3 digit numbers? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 16, 2012, 02:24:23 PM Hmm checked the list, and It seems as if I only got half the tickets I purchased. Those numbers are in BTC, not tickets.So, how hard and complicated can we make it to figure out a single secure and fair random number between 0 and 20644? You should do the math yourself (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67937.msg791518#msg791518) too, since I now could know my ticket number and craft a devious web page. ;D What about the 3 digit numbers? The last column in my list is credits * 100, the actual number of tickets, necessary because of the fractions from referrals.Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: BurtW on March 16, 2012, 02:26:52 PM Hmm checked the list, and It seems as if I only got half the tickets I purchased. It lists number of BTC paid, not number of tickets :) Thus the x.5s What about the 3 digit numbers? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cyberlync on March 16, 2012, 02:29:38 PM What the hell was the point in selling raffle tickets then? Oh well, I guess I didn't follow the whole thread. Nevermind, as long as things go as they should :)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Jonathan Ryan Owens on March 16, 2012, 02:41:38 PM I'm actually coming to the conclusion that our leaderless movement has infected the Raffle.
I have an idea. @Matthew: print out 209~ tickets, put them in a container, and have a lightly dressed korean girl pull the winning number. Do this live on ustream.tv or another streaming platform. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dollartrader on March 16, 2012, 02:48:42 PM ...have a lightly dressed korean girl pull the winning number. Do this live on ustream.tv or another streaming platform. +100 and do the raffle later.. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 02:50:46 PM I'm actually coming to the conclusion that our leaderless movement has infected the Raffle. I have an idea. @Matthew: print out 209~ tickets, put them in a container, and have a lightly dressed korean girl pull the winning number. Do this live on ustream.tv or another streaming platform. Nope, that would be 20645 (20644 including the "0" number) tickets, otherwise the shares would not be reflected properly in the probability game. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 16, 2012, 02:51:53 PM I see an error that will require republication of a corrected list by MNW. As alluded to above, BTC amounts are in the list, not ticket amounts (BTC x2). However referrals were likely paid as though tickets=BTC, causing referrals to pay double.
Since the list of "credits" is BTC amounts (not "tickets"), the list of credits should have had one more digit of accuracy, with amounts like 0.525
You purchase 1 credit. You now have 1 raffle credit. Friend 1 purchases 1 credit through your referral e-mail. You now have 1.25 raffle credits. Friend 1 now has 1.05 raffle credits. -When you don't use a referral, your 0.5 BTC became 0.5 credits (confirmed from my entry), -when you use a referral, your 0.5 BTC becomes 0.525 credits (a bonus of 5%, 0.025 credits). -when you receive a referral, you receive .125 credits. It looks like the "referral" program gave twice the percentage it should have, since everything in the list is in increments of 0.05. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 02:54:21 PM I see an error that will require republication of a corrected list by MNW. As alluded to above, BTC amounts are in the list, not ticket amounts (BTC x2). However referrals were likely paid as though BTC=tickets, causing referrals to pay double. Since the list of "credits" is BTC amounts (not "tickets"), the list of credits should have had one more digit of accuracy, with amounts like 0.525 I was wondering when this would come up ;D But instead of having 3 digits, just convert BTC to raffle credits (*2) and keep 2 digits. ... and add the referrals _after_ multiplication of course... Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Jonathan Ryan Owens on March 16, 2012, 02:54:32 PM I see an error that will require republication of a corrected list by MNW. As alluded to above, BTC amounts are in the list, not ticket amounts (BTC x2). However referrals were likely paid as though BTC=tickets, causing referrals to pay double. Since the list of "credits" is BTC amounts (not "tickets"), the list of credits should have had one more digit of accuracy, with amounts like 0.525
You purchase 1 credit. You now have 1 raffle credit. Friend 1 purchases 1 credit through your referral e-mail. You now have 1.25 raffle credits. Friend 1 now has 1.05 raffle credits. -When you don't use a referral, your 0.5 BTC became 0.5 credits (confirmed from my entry), -when you use a referral, your 0.5 BTC becomes 0.525 credits (a bonus of 5%, 0.025 credits). -when you receive a referral, you receive .125 credits. It looks like the "referral" program gave twice the percentage it should have, since everything in the list is in increments of 0.05. https://i.imgur.com/5DUD6.gif Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 16, 2012, 02:59:09 PM I appreciate the effort by the person who made the list but personally I think it would be unacceptable for anyone to produce a list other than the OP (Matt)
Not that I think anyone would cheat but it surely is not a good idea for a contestant in this raffle to compile the list that is used to determine the winner. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Joshwaa on March 16, 2012, 03:03:49 PM I see an error that will require republication of a corrected list by MNW. As alluded to above, BTC amounts are in the list, not ticket amounts (BTC x2). However referrals were likely paid as though BTC=tickets, causing referrals to pay double. Since the list of "credits" is BTC amounts (not "tickets"), the list of credits should have had one more digit of accuracy, with amounts like 0.525
You purchase 1 credit. You now have 1 raffle credit. Friend 1 purchases 1 credit through your referral e-mail. You now have 1.25 raffle credits. Friend 1 now has 1.05 raffle credits. -When you don't use a referral, your 0.5 BTC became 0.5 credits (confirmed from my entry), -when you use a referral, your 0.5 BTC becomes 0.525 credits (a bonus of 5%, 0.025 credits). -when you receive a referral, you receive .125 credits. It looks like the "referral" program gave twice the percentage it should have, since everything in the list is in increments of 0.05. https://i.imgur.com/5DUD6.gif One of the best movies ever!! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 16, 2012, 03:08:11 PM I appreciate the effort by the person who made the list but personally I think it would be unacceptable for anyone to produce a list other than the OP (Matt) It's pretty easy to look at the ticket number ranges vs credits and see I did the math right (or discover I did it wrong...).Not that I think anyone would cheat but it surely is not a good idea for a contestant in this raffle to compile the list that is used to determine the winner. With the error I discovered, Matthew will need to create a new list which will have a different number of total credits - he can turn the credits in to ticket numbers like my example. If the referral calculation was done in error by the way the bitpay was set up and Matthew only got the results from them, it may take a bit of time to fix. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: BurtW on March 16, 2012, 03:11:21 PM Now that is more like it! Things were going a bit too smoothly.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Phraust on March 16, 2012, 04:02:18 PM I haven't checked on this thread in a few days, but had bought a few tickets.
my email is 5a4419d19fbf16aefeda35aaa84833e976c3b454189b46675437d960261b8baa Hope I didn't miss out. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 16, 2012, 04:04:58 PM I appreciate the effort by the person who made the list but personally I think it would be unacceptable for anyone to produce a list other than the OP (Matt) It's pretty easy to look at the ticket number ranges vs credits and see I did the math right (or discover I did it wrong...).Not that I think anyone would cheat but it surely is not a good idea for a contestant in this raffle to compile the list that is used to determine the winner. With the error I discovered, Matthew will need to create a new list which will have a different number of total credits - he can turn the credits in to ticket numbers like my example. If the referral calculation was done in error by the way the bitpay was set up and Matthew only got the results from them, it may take a bit of time to fix. I understand the list can be verified by all but I personally don't have the time to check all of theses variables and I don't think it's fair that I should have to , Matt is running the contest - he is responsible - he should provide the list. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 04:07:09 PM I haven't checked on this thread in a few days, but had bought a few tickets. my email is 5a4419d19fbf16aefeda35aaa84833e976c3b454189b46675437d960261b8baa Hope I didn't miss out. I got your PM just now and I was about to respond to you, but I responded in the thread instead. You used a upper-case first letter in your e-mail address (check your invoice) and then when you went to confirm, you used a lower-case email in your own SHA256 hashing. It is no surprise you didn't find your e-mail address, because it's 8a6b6a6233d1367f5dd28257c7dafdef653bf556f3fa69e7f282aecb076cca3e Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 04:12:26 PM Now that is more like it! Things were going a bit too smoothly. i no rite? UPDATE: I realized I was confusing myself about the BTC>Credits thing, almost as much as everyone else was confused about it too. I'm going back to the original and recalculating. I will repost a proper and less confusing list in a few minutes., Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Phraust on March 16, 2012, 04:34:20 PM I haven't checked on this thread in a few days, but had bought a few tickets. my email is 5a4419d19fbf16aefeda35aaa84833e976c3b454189b46675437d960261b8baa Hope I didn't miss out. I got your PM just now and I was about to respond to you, but I responded in the thread instead. You used a upper-case first letter in your e-mail address (check your invoice) and then when you went to confirm, you used a lower-case email in your own SHA256 hashing. It is no surprise you didn't find your e-mail address, because it's 8a6b6a6233d1367f5dd28257c7dafdef653bf556f3fa69e7f282aecb076cca3e Thanks for clearing that up :D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 04:54:48 PM Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 04:59:37 PM UPDATE:
Code: Referrals Purchased Referrer Bonuses Referral Bonuses Total Credits The current rate of exchange for raffle credits to tickets has been decided on as That means that at present, there are 4,027 tickets. 0.01 credit = 1 tickets. That means that at present, there are 40,270 tickets. Now comes the fun part--- choosing the winner! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 05:07:37 PM $1028 for a $600 board (granted with delivery quickly instead of 4-6
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 16, 2012, 05:16:20 PM The current rate of exchange for raffle credits to tickets has been decided on as Wait wot? What does that mean for the guy with 1.05 credits, or the next guy with 1.25, or the guy with 1.3 credits who doesn't like the way you rounded up the other guy's credits. Hrm.0.1 credit = 1 tickets. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 05:18:49 PM The current rate of exchange for raffle credits to tickets has been decided on as Wait wot? What does that mean for the guy with 1.05 credits, or the next guy with 1.25, or the guy with 1.3 credits who doesn't like the way you rounded up the other guy's credits. Hrm.0.1 credit = 1 tickets. Also wouldn't the stupidly easy thing be to simply make it 0.01 credit = 1 ticket? No rounding, no issues, no unfairness. 100 tickets per credit. 402.7 credits = 40,270 tickets ??? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 16, 2012, 05:23:09 PM $1028 for a $600 board (granted with delivery quickly instead of 4-6 I'm not sure a raffle is an accurate price discovery mechanism. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 05:23:51 PM What the FUCK.
Sorry guys, wasn't thinking. This is why I am posting everything I am doing to make sure this goes smoothly. It would obviously be 0.01 credit = 1 ticket. I was just looking at the 402.7 on my spreadsheet when I said that. It will be obviously be 40,270 tickets. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Epoch on March 16, 2012, 05:47:37 PM $1028 for a $600 board (granted with delivery quickly instead of 4-6 Shows nothing of the kind. If this were an auction, then yes. But if this were an auction it wouldn't get anywhere near $1000. This is a raffle. Big difference. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 05:53:48 PM With all the back and forth, so what's the plan now for drawing a winner?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 05:56:10 PM With all the back and forth, so what's the plan now for drawing a winner? I'm waiting a response from deepceleron regarding his idea (since I have no idea what is involved with using the blockchain to tell a random number), but I am also fine with just sending theymos the spreadsheet with all the emails SHA256 hashed with a salt (so that he doesn't know who is who) and using random.org to pick and certify the winner, then publishing the salt after the fact. That however, is what the old me would do, and I enjoy learning new things especially when they involve more transparency. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dab on March 16, 2012, 05:57:47 PM I thought he was referring to the block as the cutoff for entries. Not as a means of deciding the winner.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM I thought he was referring to the block as the cutoff for entries. Not as a means of deciding the winner. I think it was more about using it as a publicly verifiable random number, but I don't know what random number he would be getting from the block since I've never seen what a block looks like. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dab on March 16, 2012, 06:00:26 PM Maybe block # % # of entries? (I as well have no idea what is contained inside a block so I'm just throwing ideas into the wind lol)
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 06:04:23 PM UPDATE: Talking to deepceleron about it right now. It's actually not that complicated, I'm just not familiar with the process.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: SaintFlow on March 16, 2012, 06:08:41 PM in other news: there is no such thing as a free lunch
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: ohforf on March 16, 2012, 06:22:47 PM in other news: there is no such thing as a free lunch The Members of the good old Salvation Army might prove otherwise. ;Dhttp://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/salvation-army-begins-free-lunch-program-in-dade-city/1214986 (http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/salvation-army-begins-free-lunch-program-in-dade-city/1214986) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: SgtSpike on March 16, 2012, 06:39:09 PM in other news: there is no such thing as a free lunch The Members of the good old Salvation Army might prove otherwise. ;Dhttp://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/salvation-army-begins-free-lunch-program-in-dade-city/1214986 (http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/salvation-army-begins-free-lunch-program-in-dade-city/1214986) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 16, 2012, 06:52:06 PM Maybe block # % # of entries? (I as well have no idea what is contained inside a block so I'm just throwing ideas into the wind lol) You are about right. The modulo (%) is what I proposed (page 3). I gave Matthew and others who may do raffles the tools so they could prove their raffle is being run fairly for anybody that may question how the winner is picked. For some technical information: Each bitcoin block has a SHA256(SHA256()) hash that is the main "block hash", a hash of the contents of the block (even more technically, a hash of the merkle tree of the transactions in the block). Like the SHA256 hashes of the emails you submitted to the raffle, hashing the transaction block turns readable data into unpredictable random-looking output (it is unpredictable by design; if you could predict it's output, you could break Bitcoin and crack hashed passwords easily). This is actually the puzzle that mining uses; since the output of SHA256 is unpredictable, it is very hard to find a hash that looks like something you specify. Bitcoin's mining challenge is to find a block hash that starts with many zeroes, the more zeroes we want at the beginning of a 256-bit hash (the smaller the value), the more difficult it becomes to find one. This hash of a block is our random number picker. We specify a future block, so we know the fix is not in - we want to know that a lottery operator isn't picking the ticket number of a friend of his. Since it is so hard to even find a block hash (it's worth 50BTC), trying to manipulate the blockchain so a hash of a particular block is a particular number is nigh impossible. Since it is in the future, nobody without a time machine could have known the winner. Since the blockchain is published for all to use and see, we know that there is only one answer. We could use the whole block hash, but that's a biiiig number and would break your calculator and programming environment, so it is not practical for everybody to use and independently verify. I proposed the last 10 digits as more reasonable - that is still a huge random number (in hexadecimal) with a value that will be between 0 and 1,099,511,627,775. I think one million million is a pretty big number. For those that understand the modulo function, you see we must specify that the first raffle ticket number in our list is #0. We use the modulo function on the hash of a specific future block (that the organizer designates beforehand) to determine the winner: (last-10-digits-of-block-hash) % (number-of-tickets) = winning ticket number (I'll let you google modulo function if you don't know what that is.) By all entrants seeing the list of ticket numbers beforehand, and being able to see how the winning ticket number is picked, it is hard to say that the winner was chosen unfairly. Scammers have to go back to simply not shipping the prize and disappearing. Someone like bitpay may fill this final need, by acting as an escrow agent for prizes for future raffles. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 16, 2012, 06:55:09 PM Maybe block # % # of entries? (I as well have no idea what is contained inside a block so I'm just throwing ideas into the wind lol) You are about right. The modulo (%) is what I proposed (page 3). I gave Matthew and others who may do raffles the tools so they could prove their raffle is being run fairly for anybody that may question how the winner is picked. For some technical information: Each bitcoin block has a SHA256(SHA256()) hash that is the main "block hash", a hash of the contents of the block (even more technically, a hash of the merkle tree of the transactions in the block). Like the SHA256 hashes of the emails you submitted to the raffle, hashing the transaction block turns readable data into unpredictable random-looking output (it is unpredictable by design; if you could predict it's output, you could break Bitcoin and crack hashed passwords easily). This is actually the puzzle that mining uses; since the output of SHA256 is unpredictable, it is very hard to find a hash that looks like something you specify. Bitcoin's mining challenge is to find a block hash that starts with many zeroes, the more zeroes we want at the beginning of a 256-bit hash (the smaller the value), the more difficult it becomes to find one. This hash of a block is our random number picker. We specify a future block, so we know the fix is not in - we want to know that a lottery operator isn't picking the ticket number of a friend of his. Since it is so hard to even find a block hash (it's worth 50BTC), trying to manipulate the blockchain so a hash of a particular block is a particular number is nigh impossible. Since it is in the future, nobody without a time machine could have known the winner. Since the blockchain is published for all to use and see, we know that there is only one answer. We could use the whole block hash, but that's a biiiig number and would break your calculator and programming environment, so it is not practical for everybody to use and independently verify. I proposed the last 10 digits as more reasonable - that is still a huge random number (in hexidecimal) with a value that will be between 0 and 1,099,511,627,776. I think one million million is a pretty big number. For those that understand the modulo function, you see we must specify that the first raffle ticket number in our list is #0. We use the modulo function with hash of a future block that the organizer specifies to determine the winner: (last-10-digits-of-block-hash) % (number-of-tickets) = winning ticket number (I'll let you google modulo function if you don't know what that is.) By all entrants seeing the list of ticket numbers beforehand, and being able to see how the winning ticket number is picked, it is hard to say that the winner was chosen unfairly. Scammers have to go back to simply not shipping the prize and disappearing. Someone like bitpay may fill this final need, by acting as an escrow agent for prizes for future raffles. Excellent, I support this 100% Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Epoch on March 16, 2012, 06:59:19 PM For those that understand the modulo function, you see we must specify that the first raffle ticket number in our list is #0. We use the modulo function with hash of a future block that the organizer specifies to determine the winner: (last-10-digits-of-block-hash) % (number-of-tickets) = winning ticket number Excellent, I support this 100% Agreed. This is a reasonable method. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Glasswalker on March 16, 2012, 07:00:27 PM I also prefer this method.
So... Where is the final list of hashed emails versus "tickets"? And what block are we targeting for the "draw"? I'm eager to win my BitForce! ;) lol Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 07:23:12 PM Sounds like a good method.
For totally transparency just two things are needed. A) A final list which should sha-256 email address, the # of tickets (and to avoid confusion the ticket # range). Example: Quote hash tickets ticket #s jkfjhasdklfhdfjkhfdjkdhsafjkdhfadjk 120 0-119 fh89r7efuisey78a6s78sdtyfuidfjhh 200 120 - 319 ... fh89r7efuisey7fjsjs978sdtyfuidfjhh 100 40260 - 40359 B) and the block # which will be used and then we just need to wait for that block. It should be far enough out to allow people to check the list for errors before the block arrives. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 07:29:02 PM Okay so what block number are we on right now?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 07:29:57 PM 171436
...so I'd choose like two in the future whenever the spreadsheet is finished Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 07:38:41 PM 171436 ...so I'd choose like two in the future whenever the spreadsheet is finished I would make it further out. The further the block is out the more people who can review the list and possibly spot errors. Would suck if there is an error in the list, someone wins and then people realize the error(s). Do you have it stand, go again, etc. I would say once list is published announce block # and make it 24 blocks out (~ 4 hours). Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 07:38:55 PM 171436 ...so I'd choose like two in the future whenever the spreadsheet is finished I guess I could wait one hour more too *sohardtowait* Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kakobrekla on March 16, 2012, 07:42:14 PM 171436 ...so I'd choose like two in the future whenever the spreadsheet is finished I would make it further out. The further the block is out the more people who can review the list and possibly spot errors. Would suck if there is an error in the list, someone wins and then people realize the error(s). Do you have it stand, go again, etc. I would say once list is published announce block # and make it 24 blocks out (~ 4 hours). I support, at least 24. Makes a round number. 171460 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 07:50:47 PM 171436 ...so I'd choose like two in the future whenever the spreadsheet is finished Spreadsheet is finished. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajtx05YrHtIydFpNdjFuQ0diUTkxV3ZTcnczb2RJN0E The original, unhashed version (which includes invoices for verification at Bit-Pay has been sent to Theymos for records purposes and future scammer investigations, which I'm sure some sore loser will try to instigate at one point or another). EDIT: Forgot to mention this, but I converted all of the email addresses to lowercase (wtf@people using different casing in email addresses anyway) so keep that in mind when searching for your address. Since I've already received a dozen complaints that someone couldn't find their email address and I've had to hold their hand and show them how, I won't be responding to complaints of that nature in the future. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 07:55:09 PM 171436 ...so I'd choose like two in the future whenever the spreadsheet is finished Spreadsheet is finished. Great, maybe we could agree on a block, like 171450, also a very round number in the future. Plenty of time to check the sheet until then. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: filharvey on March 16, 2012, 07:57:38 PM You sorted the list by the SHA, not sure I like that. I had 2 purchases sperated by quite a bit of time, I like the idea of the tickets for those not being in 1 block and 2 blocks of numbers.
Phil Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: SgtSpike on March 16, 2012, 07:59:39 PM You sorted the list by the SHA, not sure I like that. I had 2 purchases sperated by quite a bit of time, I like the idea of the tickets for those not being in 1 block and 2 blocks of numbers. It's exactly random and the same number of chances regardless of where they end up in the list... ??? Phil Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Epoch on March 16, 2012, 08:00:59 PM You sorted the list by the SHA, not sure I like that. I had 2 purchases sperated by quite a bit of time, I like the idea of the tickets for those not being in 1 block and 2 blocks of numbers. Phil You do realize that it makes absolutely no difference statistically, right? Your odds of winning (or losing) are identical regardless of where or how your tickets are split within the total range. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:03:27 PM You sorted the list by the SHA, not sure I like that. I had 2 purchases sperated by quite a bit of time, I like the idea of the tickets for those not being in 1 block and 2 blocks of numbers. Phil I sorted the list by email addresses actually. The SHA was after-the-fact. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 08:05:51 PM Son what is the magic block #?
I need to set my block clock. :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: filharvey on March 16, 2012, 08:06:03 PM You sorted the list by the SHA, not sure I like that. I had 2 purchases sperated by quite a bit of time, I like the idea of the tickets for those not being in 1 block and 2 blocks of numbers. Phil You do realize that it makes absolutely no difference statistically, right? Your odds of winning (or losing) are identical regardless of where or how your tickets are split within the total range. I realize that, I just generally prefer to have different blocks of tickets / numbers. Just my personal view. Lets not stop the process. Lets move ahead of how it is currently. Phil Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 08:06:57 PM Son what is the magic block #? I need to set my block clock. :) Same here ;D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:08:19 PM The official block to determine the winning ticket number will be 171,450.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Epoch on March 16, 2012, 08:10:24 PM The official block to determine the winning ticket number will be 171,450. Set!Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: theymos on March 16, 2012, 08:10:42 PM (last-10-digits-of-block-hash) % (number-of-tickets) = winning ticket number The results of this aren't evenly distributed in most cases. Say the random number is between 0 and 7, and there are 5 tickets from 0-4. Then the possible results are: 0 mod 5 = 0 (0 is the winner) 1 mod 5 = 1 2 mod 5 = 2 3 mod 5 = 3 4 mod 5 = 4 5 mod 5 = 0 6 mod 5 = 1 7 mod 5 = 2 As you can see, tickets 0-2 have a better chance than 3-4 For proper randomness, you actually need to re-roll when the random number is greater than your range of winners. This could be done by hashing the block hash again or choosing a different block. (There are probably other algorithms for properly distributing the randomness, but AFAIK they're always less efficient when generating random numbers and I don't know any such algorithms off-hand.) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 08:14:08 PM Good point therymos although you just need to re-roll when the random number is > the largest even MULTIPLE of the ticket #.
i.e. there are 40270 tickets. So for 0-40270 it is even. 0 to 2x(40270) is even 0 to n x (40270) is even. The only issue is the "remainder" greater than the max multiple. 10 hex digits = 16^10 = 1099511627776 1099511627776 / 40270 = 27303492.12 (that last 0.12 is unfair) So max valid random number is 40270 * 27303492 = 1099511622840 Matt a "fix" is simple and fair. If the value of last 10 digits of the block hash is > 1099511622840 then it is a "no-go" and you use the next block. Don't worry the odds of that happening are very small. Only 1099511622841 to 1099511627776 are "bad". 4936 unfair numbers out of 1099511627776 or 0.0000004% Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:15:11 PM If you guys complicate this any further I swear I'm going into PHP, typing
Code: echo rand(0,41269); and finishing this like a boss. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: theymos on March 16, 2012, 08:15:50 PM Good point therymos although you just need to re-roll when the random number is > the largest even MULTIPLE of the ticket #. Right. I was assuming that the max random number would be chosen to be the smallest power of two larger than the largest ticket. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: danieldaniel on March 16, 2012, 08:18:53 PM Oh wow, stupid me! Nevermind!
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 08:21:13 PM If you guys complicate this any further I swear I'm going into PHP, typing Code: echo rand(0,41269); and finishing this like a boss. Don't do that. From above: Matt a "fix" is simple and fair. The only "unfairness" comes from "remainder" greater than the max multiple. 10 hex digits = 16^10 = 1099511627776 but there are 40,270 tickets which doesn't divide into all the random number range evenly. Some of the tickets have 1 more chance of winning. 1099511627776 / 40270 = 27303492.12 (that last 0.12 is unfair) The first 4936 tickets have 27,303,493 chances to win. The rest of the tickets have 27,303,492. Very small but a slight bias towards the earlier tickets. To be even the max valid random number is 40270 * 27303492 - 1 = 1099511622839. Just exclude numbers larger than that. Simple version: If the value of last 10 digits of the block hash is >= 1099511622840 then it is a "void drawing". Use the last 10 digits of the next block to find the winner fairly. Don't worry the odds of that happening are very very very small. Only 1,099,511,622,840 to 1,099,511,627,776 are "bad". 4936 unfair numbers out of 1099511627776 or 0.0000004%. The odds of two bad drawings in a row are 1 in 46 quadrillion. On edit: fixed on small error (1099511622840 is the first "unfair" number not the last "fair" number). Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:23:22 PM The raffle rules stated that:
So far I've done none of those. I'm all for learning and making this a better experience for everyone, but understand that every modification makes me feel like I'm straying even further from keeping my word. I appreciate sticking around and helping everyone, and on that note, keep it as simple as possible for those who cant 2 math. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 08:29:50 PM If you guys complicate this any further I swear I'm going into PHP, typing Code: echo rand(0,41269); and finishing this like a boss. Don't do that. From above: Matt a "fix" is simple and fair. The only "unfairness" comes from "remainder" greater than the max multiple. 10 hex digits = 16^10 = 1099511627776 but there are 40,270 tickets which doesn't divide into all the random number range evenly. 1099511627776 / 40270 = 27303492.12 (that last 0.12 is unfair) So max valid random number is 40270 * 27303492 = 1099511622840 If the value of last 10 digits of the block hash is > 1099511622840 then it is a "void" and just use the next block to find the winner. Don't worry the odds of that happening are very small. Only 1099511622841 to 1099511627776 are "bad". 4936 unfair numbers out of 1099511627776 or 0.0000004%. Even if you don't the "unfairness" is very small. The first 4936 tickets have 27,303,493 chances to win. The rest of the tickets have 27,303,492 Still given wow easy it is to do it fair just do it fair. Just want to add, if the block hash is < 1099511622840 it is good, which means that 1099511622840 is repeating ticket number 0, (a consequence of the mod operation). But otherwise I like it Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 08:31:08 PM Your call Matt. I only have 2 tickets so I don't really care. It would be useful excercise in using the block chain to ensure no ability to cheat. Random.Org is only random if you actually make it random not pick a buddy as the winner. :) Not saying you would but using the blockchain as a double blind picking method reduces the need for implicit trust.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 08:31:43 PM The raffle rules stated that:
So far I've done none of those. I'm all for learning and making this a better experience for everyone, but understand that every modification makes me feel like I'm straying even further from keeping my word. I appreciate sticking around and helping everyone, and on that note, keep it as simple as possible for those who cant 2 math. Matt, I know there's no voting on a raffle that you made, so it's really up to you. But IMO for many of us it would be more fun if the block-chain is used for determination of the outcome. It's still simple enough to replicate Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:32:37 PM Your call Matt. I only have 2 tickets so I don't really care. It would be useful excercise in using the block chain to ensure no ability to cheat. Random.Org is only random if you actually make it random not pick a buddy as the winner. :) Not saying you would but using the blockchain as a double blind picking method reduces the need for implicit trust. I totally agree. I want to learn this, but it still doesn't make sense to me completely, and that bothers me since I'm usually a fast mover on things. When the block comes around can you show me hands on what has to happen again? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 08:32:54 PM Just want to add, if the block hash is < 1099511622840 it is good, which means that 1099511622840 is repeating ticket number 0, (a consequence of the mod operation). Good catch. Will update. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 08:34:38 PM Your call Matt. I only have 2 tickets so I don't really care. It would be useful excercise in using the block chain to ensure no ability to cheat. Random.Org is only random if you actually make it random not pick a buddy as the winner. :) Not saying you would but using the blockchain as a double blind picking method reduces the need for implicit trust. I totally agree. I want to learn this, but it still doesn't make sense to me completely, and that bothers me since I'm usually a fast mover on things. When the block comes around can you show me hands on what has to happen again? Fair enough, I am pretty sure there are plenty of people who will rave over it! It will make the random number more special! ;D Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Epoch on March 16, 2012, 08:35:26 PM Your call Matt. I only have 2 tickets so I don't really care. It would be useful excercise in using the block chain to ensure no ability to cheat. Random.Org is only random if you actually make it random not pick a buddy as the winner. :) Not saying you would but using the blockchain as a double blind picking method reduces the need for implicit trust. I totally agree. I want to learn this, but it still doesn't make sense to me completely, and that bothers me since I'm usually a fast mover on things. When the block comes around can you show me hands on what has to happen again? Excellent decision on using the blockchain. It is a natural, and full transparent, random number generator. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 08:35:27 PM I totally agree. I want to learn this, but it still doesn't make sense to me completely, and that bothers me since I'm usually a fast mover on things. When the block comes around can you show me hands on what has to happen again? I can tell you now to avoid it being after the fact. Step 1) Take the last 10 digits of the block hash (in hex) Step 2) Convert that to a decimal number. Step 3a) If the number is 1099511622840 or larger the draw is void. Repeat steps #1 to #3 on the next block. Step 3b) If the number is < 1099511622840 then you have a valid random number. Continue to step #4 Step 4) Winning Ticket = (random number) mod 40270 The only change is "Voiding" random # 1099511622840 and up because they are "uneven". The odds of that happening are ~ 1 in 222 million. :) Like I said if you do something else I won't mind as I trust you. I just think it is useful example of using the blockchain to avoid needing implicit trust. Kinda an extension of the rational for creation Bitcoin in the first place. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: SgtSpike on March 16, 2012, 08:35:59 PM Your call Matt. I only have 2 tickets so I don't really care. It would be useful excercise in using the block chain to ensure no ability to cheat. Random.Org is only random if you actually make it random not pick a buddy as the winner. :) Not saying you would but using the blockchain as a double blind picking method reduces the need for implicit trust. I totally agree. I want to learn this, but it still doesn't make sense to me completely, and that bothers me since I'm usually a fast mover on things. When the block comes around can you show me hands on what has to happen again? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 16, 2012, 08:36:51 PM (last-10-digits-of-block-hash) % (number-of-tickets) = winning ticket number The results of this aren't evenly distributed in most cases. Say the random number is between 0 and 7, and there are 5 tickets from 0-4. Then the possible results are: 0 mod 5 = 0 (0 is the winner) 1 mod 5 = 1 2 mod 5 = 2 3 mod 5 = 3 4 mod 5 = 4 5 mod 5 = 0 6 mod 5 = 1 7 mod 5 = 2 As you can see, tickets 0-2 have a better chance than 3-4 For proper randomness, you actually need to re-roll when the random number is greater than your range of winners. This could be done by hashing the block hash again or choosing a different block. (There are probably other algorithms for properly distributing the randomness, but AFAIK they're always less efficient when generating random numbers and I don't know any such algorithms off-hand.) Yes those shares at the beginning of the list will get 1 extra chance in 2.7Million than those after the point where the final rollover stops. Bringing it up again after the fact is rather pointless. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: WGD118 on March 16, 2012, 08:38:22 PM I have to agree with Matt you guys are making this too complicated. Keep in mind guys raffles are for people who can't do math.
At some point you just need to draw a line in the sand and say you are doing it this way whatever that way may be and if people don't like it then they don't participate. Yes I did buy a couple tickets but I think the current method is more then fair. Oh and I know many people who use random.org and just stream the pick on ustream or justin tv. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:38:42 PM Just use random.org. Use a cell phone to stream the pick live on ustream, so that everyone knows you're not cheating, and you're done! Viola! You insult me, sir. I'd create a pinwheel with perfectly measured pie slices in accordance to shares, and stream myself throwing a dart at the spinning wheel to choose the winner. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:39:47 PM I have to agree with Matt you guys are making this too complicated. Keep in mind guys raffles are for people who can't do math. At some point you just need to draw a line in the sand and say you are doing it this way whatever that way may be and if people don't like it then they don't participate. Yes I did buy a couple tickets but I think the current method is more then fair. Oh and I know many people who use random.org and just stream the pick on ustream or justin tv. It's alright. They want to set a precedence and I get that. I also agree with them, as a troll, that if the results are not independently verifiable, it's no-good. Since this won't be the last raffle I run here for fun, I see it as a learning experience at the expense of everyone else. Might as well use it. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: eroxors on March 16, 2012, 08:40:41 PM Holy shit, can this get any more complicated? Note to future self: don't do BTC raffles.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dab on March 16, 2012, 08:41:49 PM lol .5btc isn't much. I think its fun. At the least, we got this fun discussion and show for .5btc. :D
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: SgtSpike on March 16, 2012, 08:42:31 PM Just use random.org. Use a cell phone to stream the pick live on ustream, so that everyone knows you're not cheating, and you're done! Viola! You insult me, sir. I'd create a pinwheel with perfectly measured pie slices in accordance to shares, and stream myself throwing a dart at the spinning wheel to choose the winner. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:46:26 PM Just use random.org. Use a cell phone to stream the pick live on ustream, so that everyone knows you're not cheating, and you're done! Viola! You insult me, sir. I'd create a pinwheel with perfectly measured pie slices in accordance to shares, and stream myself throwing a dart at the spinning wheel to choose the winner. I guess we could do it more complicated than that, use the diameter of our Sun to map out a pie chart for the shares and agree on a 1 minute window to count the surface explosions, where the most explosions in a certain area within that minute dictates the winner. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dab on March 16, 2012, 08:47:31 PM I say we boil water and count the number of Steam molecules that evaporate within a 30 second window, determined from when a penny is dropped from the top of a Sky scraper and hits the ground.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:48:27 PM I say we boil water and count the number of Steam molecules that evaporate within a 30 second window, determined from when a penny is dropped from the top of a Sky scraper and hits the ground. I've got the penny, you get the molecules.Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 16, 2012, 08:49:20 PM My hash appears in the referrer column 3 times, but the row with it in the purchaser column has 0 in the referrals column, and I only have 1
Row is 152, hash is 3c7c2cc979c12fc5074efe3a15f852b40f837437d12653b1ffc71f35dd7697f3 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cablepair on March 16, 2012, 08:50:03 PM we would not be Bitcoin enthusiasts if we did not over intellectualize everything
now here is my vote on how we settle this and pick our winner : ;) http://www.scottandjenny.com/fun6/cow_pie_bingo.jpg Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:50:17 PM My hash appears in the referrer column 3 times, but the row with it in the purchaser column has 0 in the referrals column, and I only have 1 ticket. Checking.,Row is 152, hash is 3c7c2cc979c12fc5074efe3a15f852b40f837437d12653b1ffc71f35dd7697f3 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: FreshJR on March 16, 2012, 08:51:45 PM Your call Matt. I only have 2 tickets so I don't really care. It would be useful excercise in using the block chain to ensure no ability to cheat. Random.Org is only random if you actually make it random not pick a buddy as the winner. :) Not saying you would but using the blockchain as a double blind picking method reduces the need for implicit trust. I totally agree. I want to learn this, but it still doesn't make sense to me completely, and that bothers me since I'm usually a fast mover on things. When the block comes around can you show me hands on what has to happen again? Matt, the modulo (%) operator returns a remainder. 7 % 5 returns 2 So (hash) modulo (ticket #) will return a a random ticket number. The hash looks like a complicated jargon of words but that is because it is represented in a different number format (Humans use base10 since we have 10 fingers, Computers use base 2 since switches can be on or off, hexadecimal is base16) Base 2 - 0 1 Base 10 - 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Base 16 - 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F The last part of the hexadecimal hash can be converted into a decimal number (base 10), and the modulo operator can be used to choose the winner. Since the hash is random and unpredictable, this will be the best way to choose a winner that can be independently verified. The reverse bias has an extremely low chance of happening, and we can either accept it, or use the next block. Your call. I favor this method a lot more since it can be verified by anyone. It is worth the wait Now what some people were worried about was this. *If the hash decimal equivalent is too large, then the last repeating remainder would not include all the tickets. This would give earlier tickets just the slightest advantage. This phenomenon happens since the max ticket number does not divide into the hash evenly. The chances of this are extremely low, and the bias can even be ignored. I can explain this more if you would like. But it has been covered already by other posters. Just post here if you want me to re sum everything up in a single place. Its not really complicated at all. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:52:46 PM My hash appears in the referrer column 3 times, but the row with it in the purchaser column has 0 in the referrals column, and I only have 1 Row is 152, hash is 3c7c2cc979c12fc5074efe3a15f852b40f837437d12653b1ffc71f35dd7697f3 Goddamnit. OpenOffice calc moved my calculation references when I pasted them. One moment. EDIT: What happened is that the COUNTIF statement was counting starting the row of the referencing record, instead of starting at the top. To put it plainly, it was only checking rows below the current row instead of starting at the top of the page as it should have. I'm modifying each row in the B column manually to make sure this is done right. Code: =COUNTIF(C2:C154; #) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Tomatocage on March 16, 2012, 08:57:42 PM For his next feat, Matthew N. Wright will attempt to operate a lemonade stand...
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 08:59:27 PM For his next feat, Matthew N. Wright will attempt to operate a lemonade stand... A cryptographically secure, transparent, and verifiable one (with escrow coming in 2013). Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 08:59:54 PM For his next feat, Matthew N. Wright will attempt to operate a lemonade stand... Is a golden showers booth close enough? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dab on March 16, 2012, 09:05:48 PM For his next feat, Matthew N. Wright will attempt to operate a lemonade stand... Is a golden showers booth close enough? That'll do pig. That'll do. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 16, 2012, 09:08:44 PM Your call Matt. I only have 2 tickets so I don't really care. It would be useful excercise in using the block chain to ensure no ability to cheat. Random.Org is only random if you actually make it random not pick a buddy as the winner. :) Not saying you would but using the blockchain as a double blind picking method reduces the need for implicit trust. I totally agree. I want to learn this, but it still doesn't make sense to me completely, and that bothers me since I'm usually a fast mover on things. When the block comes around can you show me hands on what has to happen again? Matt, the modulo (%) operator returns a remainder. 7 % 5 returns 2 So (hash) modulo (ticket #) will return a a random ticket number. The hash looks like a complicated jargon of words but that is because it is represented in a different number form (Humans use base10 since we have 10 fingers, Computers use base 2 since switches can be on or off, hexadecimal is base16) The last part of the hexadecimal hash can be converted into a decimal number (base 10), and the modulo operator can be used to choose the winner. Since the hash is random and unpredictable, this will be the best way to choose a winner that can be independently verified. The reverse bias has an extremely low chance of happening, and we can either accept it, or use the next block. Your call. I favor this method a lot more since it can be verified by anyone. It is worth the wait Now what some people were worried about was this. *If the hash decimal equivalent is too large, then the last repeating remainder would not include all the tickets. This would give earlier tickets just the slightest advantage. This phenomenon happens since the max ticket number does not divide into the hash evenly. The chances of this are extremely low, and the bias can even be ignored. I can explain this more if you would like. But it has been covered already by other posters. Just post here if you want me to re sum everything up in a single place. Its not really complicated at all. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: filharvey on March 16, 2012, 09:11:18 PM 3 blocks left......
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 09:18:44 PM UPDATE: I updated the spreadsheet to reflect the modified referral-finder code.
Note that only the referrals were having an issue. All other data is still already verified. The updated total referrals count went from 30 to 44, so that means that my error was cheating people on the lower half of the spreadsheet out of 14 referrals. Since I feel awful about this, I am going to give 100 free tickets to everyone* (*This is a joke considering it wouldn't change your odds at all.) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Blazr on March 16, 2012, 09:20:03 PM Oh and I know many people who use random.org and just stream the pick on ustream or justin tv. Problem is, how would we know that the stream wasn't pre-recorded? Also, how would we know that the person wasn't using a greasemonkey script to change the number on the random.org website? I'm going to go put my tinfoil hat back on. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 09:21:36 PM Oh and I know many people who use random.org and just stream the pick on ustream or justin tv. Problem is, how would we know that the stream wasn't pre-recorded? Also, how would we know that the person wasn't using a greasemonkey script to change the number on the random.org website? I'm going to go put my tinfoil hat back on. Don't bother. That is not a tinfoily thing to say. It's exactly what I would do if I were going to falsify the results. That is why I agree that the blockchain is a good direction for the future as well. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Blazr on March 16, 2012, 09:23:44 PM Since I feel awful about this, I am going to give 100 free tickets to everyone* (*This is a joke considering it wouldn't change your odds at all.) Actually, that would change the odds. Pretend there is only 2 people in the raffle, I have 50 tickets, other person has 100 tickets. My odds of winning are 3:1. You give us both 100 tickets each. I now have 150 tickets and other person has 200 tickets. My odds of winning are now 2.33:1 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: rjk on March 16, 2012, 09:24:12 PM Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: SgtSpike on March 16, 2012, 09:24:56 PM UPDATE: I updated the spreadsheet to reflect the modified referral-finder code. Ermm... giving 100 free tickets WOULD change your odds.Note that only the referrals were having an issue. All other data is still already verified. The updated total referrals count went from 30 to 44, so that means that my error was cheating people on the lower half of the spreadsheet out of 14 referrals. Since I feel awful about this, I am going to give 100 free tickets to everyone* (*This is a joke considering it wouldn't change your odds at all.) If I have 75/100 tickets, and another person has 25/100 tickets, then my odds of winning are 75%, and his are 25%. Now you give both of us an extra 100 tickets. I now have 175/300 tickets, and he has 125/300 tickets. My new odds of winning are 58.3%, and his new odds of winning are 41.7%. Just sayin. ;) Also, Blazr, good point about using a pre-recorded stream. I hadn't thought of that. Maybe also showing some live chat at the same time would suffice, but then it is getting complicated. EDIT: WTF, totally ninja'd by Blazr. >.< Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 09:25:20 PM So the total is now 40620 tickets then?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 09:26:25 PM Since I feel awful about this, I am going to give 100 free tickets to everyone* (*This is a joke considering it wouldn't change your odds at all.) Actually, that would change the odds. Pretend there is only 2 people in the raffle, I have 50 tickets, other person has 100 tickets. My odds of winning are 3:1. You give us both 100 tickets each. I now have 150 tickets and other person has 200 tickets. My odds of winning are now 2.33:1 You're right. What about 10% across the board instead of 100 tickets? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 09:27:25 PM Holy shit, can this get any more complicated? Note to future self: don't do BTC raffles. How so negative? I'd say Matthew is pioneering the way to Bitcoin raffles! From this initial pilot project we will develop a protocol for future raffles. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Epoch on March 16, 2012, 09:28:22 PM Since I feel awful about this, I am going to give 100 free tickets to everyone* (*This is a joke considering it wouldn't change your odds at all.) Actually, that would change the odds. Pretend there is only 2 people in the raffle, I have 50 tickets, other person has 100 tickets. My odds of winning are 3:1. You give us both 100 tickets each. I now have 150 tickets and other person has 200 tickets. My odds of winning are now 2.33:1 You're right. What about 10% across the board instead of 100 tickets? That is fair. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 09:28:58 PM Since I feel awful about this, I am going to give 100 free tickets to everyone* (*This is a joke considering it wouldn't change your odds at all.) Actually, that would change the odds. Pretend there is only 2 people in the raffle, I have 50 tickets, other person has 100 tickets. My odds of winning are 3:1. You give us both 100 tickets each. I now have 150 tickets and other person has 200 tickets. My odds of winning are now 2.33:1 You're right. What about 10% across the board instead of 100 tickets? That is fair. By fair you mean wouldn't change the odds? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kakobrekla on March 16, 2012, 09:29:38 PM Why is this even discussed?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 16, 2012, 09:30:53 PM Why is this even discussed? Because the last 3 blocks are taking forever. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Blazr on March 16, 2012, 09:31:01 PM By fair you mean wouldn't change the odds? My brain tells me the answer is no, but I'd have to run that by professor google. It would unnecessarily complicate the raffle and drag it on for a lot longer. Sounds like fun. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 09:31:24 PM EDIT: WTF, totally ninja'd by Blazr. >.< The force of boxxy is strong with this one. Why is this even discussed? Because the last 3 blocks are taking forever. Bingo. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kakobrekla on March 16, 2012, 09:31:57 PM Why is this even discussed? Because the last 3 blocks are taking forever. Matthew: Is the Single turned on? :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 09:33:02 PM Why is this even discussed? Because the last 3 blocks are taking forever. Matthew: Is the Single turned on? :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dab on March 16, 2012, 09:36:49 PM Haha, good. Leave the hashing to be done by me when its shipped to me. :D
jk, my family has rolling bad luck with raffles. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Epoch on March 16, 2012, 09:43:55 PM Why is this even discussed? Because the last 3 blocks are taking forever. Matthew: Is the Single turned on? :) It's not your fault. Our friends in the the rogue silent Dark Energy pool (85.214.124.168), who refuse to put any transactions into their mined blocks, are taking their sweet time. They did get blocks 171447 and 171448, though. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Blazr on March 16, 2012, 09:47:22 PM 85.214.124.168 Thats the Spanish "thing"? Did we ever figure out what exactly it is and what galaxy it came from? EDIT: looks like it isn't what I thought it was, but I did find this, which is interesting: http://www.bizimbal.com/odb/details.html?id=1088123 My money is on it being a botnet. EDIT2: The owner of this shouldn't be too hard to track down: http://statrr.com/ip/85.214.124.168 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Otoh on March 16, 2012, 09:49:11 PM as you're going to be doing future raffles ( BTL Rigbox FTW :P ) maybe have a look at how Bitlotto match their punter's bets to the winning number drawn from a combo of a specific blockchain & some specific date mega millions type lottery's winning numbers
http://www.bitlotto.com/ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34007.0;all Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: danieldaniel on March 16, 2012, 10:04:45 PM I'm confused; who won?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Blazr on March 16, 2012, 10:08:19 PM I will shoot myself if astana, dareq or some other scammer ends up winning this.
What will happen if that is the case? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: danieldaniel on March 16, 2012, 10:09:34 PM I will shoot myself if astana, dareq or some other scammer ends up winning this. I would be so mad… :(What will happen if that is the case? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: rjk on March 16, 2012, 10:09:45 PM I will shoot myself if astana, dareq or some other scammer ends up winning this. We would then have their shipping address and other personal information, and it would be winrar.What will happen if that is the case? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Blazr on March 16, 2012, 10:10:39 PM I will shoot myself if astana, dareq or some other scammer ends up winning this. We would then have their shipping address and other personal information, and it would be winrar.What will happen if that is the case? But what about the BFL Single? Will they receive that as well as a visit from a SWAT team & 9001 lawyers? Also, we'd never know it was them. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: SgtSpike on March 16, 2012, 10:14:47 PM EDIT: WTF, totally ninja'd by Blazr. >.< The force of boxxy is strong with this one. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Otoh on March 16, 2012, 10:15:03 PM I will shoot myself if astana, dareq or some other scammer ends up winning this. We would then have their shipping address and other personal information, and it would be winrar.What will happen if that is the case? But what about the BFL Single? Will they receive that as well or one of these? painted balck of course with just the red nose LED-ed http://www.clown-ministry.com/images/clown-jack-in-the-box.jpg Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 10:21:00 PM Me thinks entree in line #
Checking... (it's just my phone and me...) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 10:21:36 PM I will shoot myself if astana, dareq or some other scammer ends up winning this. What will happen if that is the case? Uhh, obviously I'd send it to the winner regardless. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 16, 2012, 10:22:17 PM The first 4936 tickets have 27,303,493 chances to win. The rest of the tickets have 27,303,492. Very small but a slight bias towards the earlier tickets. To be even the max valid random number is 40270 * 27303492 - 1 = 1099511622839. Just exclude numbers larger than that. All I have to say to this..0xFFFFFFFFFF you... (thought someone could make a math joke in the thread that wasn't also a math fail...)The official block to determine the winning ticket number will be 171,450. blockexplorer.com: Block 171450 Short link: http://blockexplorer.com/b/171450 Hash?: 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 blockchain.info http://blockchain.info/block-index/194593/000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 Hash 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 funkymunky ABE site Short Link: http://blockexplorer.funkymonkey.org/b/EGfzyHgKQ Hash: 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 Still needs to be confirmed some more to avoid the chance of a blockchain reorg, but I think we have our winner. First ticket 0; Last ticket 40619; total number of tickets 40620; for those with the same spreadsheet as me. last-10 of hash: b7514187e3 http://we.lovebitco.in/lottery.html: Winning ticket number 11131 Calculator Method from page 3: Verify the block hash from two independent sources (ideally one being your local blockchain), Open Windows Calculator. Select View->Programmer. Select "Hex" radio button, Paste last 10 digits of hash into calculator (b7514187e3), Press "Dec" radio button to convert to decimal (787342264291) Press "Mod", Enter number of tickets (40620) Press = See winner (11131) The winner is on spreadsheet line 36: 11045-11244: c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: danieldaniel on March 16, 2012, 10:23:35 PM The first 4936 tickets have 27,303,493 chances to win. The rest of the tickets have 27,303,492. Very small but a slight bias towards the earlier tickets. To be even the max valid random number is 40270 * 27303492 - 1 = 1099511622839. Just exclude numbers larger than that. All I have to say to this..0xFFFFFFFFFF you... (thought someone could make a math joke in the thread that wasn't also a math fail...)The official block to determine the winning ticket number will be 171,450. blockexplorer.com: Block 171450 Short link: http://blockexplorer.com/b/171450 Hash?: 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 blockchain.info http://blockchain.info/block-index/194593/000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 Hash 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 funkymunky ABE site Short Link: http://blockexplorer.funkymonkey.org/b/EGfzyHgKQ Hash: 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 Still needs to be confirmed some more to avoid the chance of a blockchain reorg, but I think we have our winner. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 10:24:41 PM The first 4936 tickets have 27,303,493 chances to win. The rest of the tickets have 27,303,492. Very small but a slight bias towards the earlier tickets. To be even the max valid random number is 40270 * 27303492 - 1 = 1099511622839. Just exclude numbers larger than that. All I have to say to this..0xFFFFFFFFFF you... (thought someone could make a math joke in the thread that wasn't also a math fail...)The official block to determine the winning ticket number will be 171,450. blockexplorer.com: Block 171450 Short link: http://blockexplorer.com/b/171450 Hash?: 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 blockchain.info http://blockchain.info/block-index/194593/000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 Hash 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 funkymunky ABE site Short Link: http://blockexplorer.funkymonkey.org/b/EGfzyHgKQ Hash: 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 Still needs to be confirmed some more to avoid the chance of a blockchain reorg, but I think we have our winner. Yeeaaah gonna need some elaboration on that one. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 10:27:08 PM mod(hex2dec('0b7514187e3'),40620)=11131
Note: added a leading 0 to avoid my calculator creating a negative number. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: bitfoo on March 16, 2012, 10:27:20 PM Hash 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 Last 10 hex digits: b7514187e3 In decimal: 787342264291 787342264291 % 40270 = 16881 Now who has that ticket number?! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Blazr on March 16, 2012, 10:27:43 PM Yeeaaah gonna need some elaboration on that one. Wait, you don't even understand how this process works? Ohh God, we're all screwed. This is the perfect way to fake a raffle (I'm not hinting in anyway at all this is the case) "We'll just use the blockchain to do it, don't worry about it, its completely random, its too complicated to explain, involves md5 collisions and such" Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Blazr on March 16, 2012, 10:28:33 PM mod(hex2dec('0b7514187e3'),40620)=11131 787342264291 % 40270 = 16881 Now who has that ticket number?! Oh shit! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 10:29:01 PM Hash 000000000000099e18b84b47fba8ee569f117c8545fa375f33381bb7514187e3 Last 10 hex digits: b7514187e3 In decimal: 787342264291 787342264291 % 40270 = 16881 Now who has that ticket number?! Not 40270 that has changed see the latest table Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 10:29:19 PM Yeeaaah gonna need some elaboration on that one. Wait, you don't even understand how this process works? Ohh God, we're all screwed. This is the perfect way to fake a raffle (I'm not hinting in anyway at all this is the case) "We'll just use the blockchain to do it, don't worry about it, its completely random, its too complicated to explain, involves md5 collisions and such" I understand it in theory, I just need to see it done and explained. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: bitfoo on March 16, 2012, 10:30:23 PM Not 40270 that has changed see the latest table So where is the table, and who has the ticket numbers? :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 10:30:38 PM Not 40270 that has changed see the latest table So where is the table, and who has the ticket numbers? :) The table to confirm your win is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajtx05YrHtIydFpNdjFuQ0diUTkxV3ZTcnczb2RJN0E#gid=0 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 10:31:04 PM Not 40270 that has changed see the latest table So where is the table, and who has the ticket numbers? :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 10:33:04 PM So who has ticket 11131?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: bitfoo on March 16, 2012, 10:33:22 PM So who has ticket 11131? c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 16, 2012, 10:33:41 PM Not 40270 that has changed see the latest table So where is the table, and who has the ticket numbers? :) Looks like row 36. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 10:34:04 PM So who has ticket 11131? c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff Yeah, but that's salted! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 10:34:41 PM So who has ticket 11131? c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff Yeah, but that's salted! It's not salted. It's just the e-mail address. As for that being the true winner, I'll wait until DeepCeleron, DeathandTaxes and Theymos all sign off on it (since they seem to be the most knowledgeable about this method of confirming). Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: danieldaniel on March 16, 2012, 10:35:51 PM Not 40270 that has changed see the latest table So where is the table, and who has the ticket numbers? :) The table to confirm your win is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajtx05YrHtIydFpNdjFuQ0diUTkxV3ZTcnczb2RJN0E#gid=0 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Red Emerald on March 16, 2012, 10:37:52 PM Not 40270 that has changed see the latest table So where is the table, and who has the ticket numbers? :) The table to confirm your win is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajtx05YrHtIydFpNdjFuQ0diUTkxV3ZTcnczb2RJN0E#gid=0 Learn to read? So who has ticket 11131? c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: rjk on March 16, 2012, 10:38:06 PM Not 40270 that has changed see the latest table So where is the table, and who has the ticket numbers? :) The table to confirm your win is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajtx05YrHtIydFpNdjFuQ0diUTkxV3ZTcnczb2RJN0E#gid=0 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: danieldaniel on March 16, 2012, 10:38:17 PM Not 40270 that has changed see the latest table So where is the table, and who has the ticket numbers? :) The table to confirm your win is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajtx05YrHtIydFpNdjFuQ0diUTkxV3ZTcnczb2RJN0E#gid=0 Learn to read? So who has ticket 11131? c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: tynt on March 16, 2012, 10:38:45 PM I'm going to hang myself if c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff didn't win
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: danieldaniel on March 16, 2012, 10:39:34 PM I'm going to hang myself if c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff didn't win It's you?Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: tynt on March 16, 2012, 10:43:08 PM I'm going to hang myself if c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff didn't win It's you?Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: theymos on March 16, 2012, 10:44:34 PM I agree that it's 11131.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: bitfoo on March 16, 2012, 10:45:19 PM Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Blazr on March 16, 2012, 10:47:06 PM Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 16, 2012, 10:49:12 PM send congrats to degreal@gmail.com DATA: degreal@gmail.com SHA256 HASH: c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff I suppose another unique thing here is the winner can see they won without outside confirmation! edit: AND BRAG! edit2: haha, page 14: Now we have to just find an algorithm that prefers my email hash and we have a winner! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: cyberlync on March 16, 2012, 10:49:25 PM nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :'(
edit: after wiping my tears, I think I can manage to say, congrats you lucky bastich. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dab on March 16, 2012, 10:51:32 PM Haha, sad day. Congrats bro.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 11:02:51 PM Well this was fun.
I'm emailing the winner right now with instructions on how to earn his BFL single by completing some simple offers online and answering some surveys. Just kidding. Getting shipping address. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: ohforf on March 16, 2012, 11:09:54 PM Well this was fun. I'm emailing the winner right now with instructions on how to earn his BFL single by completing some simple offers online and answering some surveys. ... Hehehe... that was evil ;D :D :P Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kibblesnbits on March 16, 2012, 11:14:24 PM Missed it by that much.
Seriously, that's a great raffle - thanks to Matthew for the prize and DeepC for the algorithm. I'd be up for another.... Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 11:15:10 PM Missed it by that much. Seriously, that's a great raffle - thanks to Matthew for the prize and DeepC for the algorithm. I'd be up for another.... Already setting it up. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dab on March 16, 2012, 11:17:24 PM Nice. I'd be in I think.
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 16, 2012, 11:46:52 PM Did your piss stain just get bigger? I would wager on it being BitScalper. He doesn't like it when I provide proof of him being a sociopath. ╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮ Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 16, 2012, 11:57:11 PM I agree that it's 11131. I confirm also. Solid drawing and nice he used the blockchain. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 16, 2012, 11:59:29 PM I'm going to hang myself if c267a549d21a37b371b8d4fa5b944d55bd5624dfcc735f4045031fd53a640bff didn't win Congrats, man! Happy mining! Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: danieldaniel on March 17, 2012, 12:46:19 AM Well this was fun. Hehe. You're so mean!I'm emailing the winner right now with instructions on how to earn his BFL single by completing some simple offers online and answering some surveys. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Garr255 on March 17, 2012, 12:54:06 AM Ha nice, I hope your humor will be incorporated into your magazine :D
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 17, 2012, 12:57:30 AM Ha nice, I hope your humor will be incorporated into your magazine :D They're trying their best to stop me. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: draco49 on March 17, 2012, 01:01:37 AM send congrats to degreal@gmail.com Congratulations on winning this exciting, if not bizarre, raffle! Go forth and mine some coinage :) Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 17, 2012, 01:31:34 AM The only issue is the "remainder" greater than the max multiple. 10 hex digits = 16^10 = 1099511627776 1099511627776 / 40270 = 27303492.12 (that last 0.12 is unfair) So max valid random number is 40270 * 27303492 = 1099511622840 Matt a "fix" is simple and fair. If the value of last 10 digits of the block hash is > 1099511622840 then it is a "no-go" and you use the next block. Don't worry the odds of that happening are very small. Only 1099511622841 to 1099511627776 are "bad". 4936 unfair numbers out of 1099511627776 or 0.0000004% I have updated my raffle ticket picker here: http://we.lovebitco.in/raffle.html. It will now alert you if the hash is greater than the last modulo interval with a full number of tickets (however you would describe that). Just so everyone knows they have an absolutely equal chance of winning. Feel free to pore over the javascript source and try to break it or find any type of unfair calculation. As an example, in this raffle (with tickets 0-40269), the highest hash without error is FFFFFFECB7, which gives #40269 as winner; FFFFFFECB8 or higher gives an error. Large hashes near the maximum are also only a problem if 0x10000000000h is not evenly divisible by the number of tickets. For example, with 65536 tickets (0x010000h), a hash of FFFFFFFFFF is still valid. BTW, even with a raffle happening every block, this would likely never happen in your lifetime... Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Red Emerald on March 17, 2012, 01:38:37 AM I have updated my raffle ticket picker here: http://we.lovebitco.in/raffle.html. You should add a thing to sha256 a text field. I liked having the list of emails be hashes.Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 17, 2012, 01:45:38 AM You should add a thing to sha256 a text field. I liked having the list of emails be hashes. I didn't like that, it becomes easier for a raffle operator to disguise his own fake entries (instead of showing forum user names, etc., which allows us to intuit that every ticket purchase in the list is legitimate).Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: wogaut on March 17, 2012, 02:00:37 AM You should add a thing to sha256 a text field. I liked having the list of emails be hashes. I didn't like that, it becomes easier for a raffle operator to disguise his own fake entries (instead of showing forum user names, etc., which allows us to intuit that every ticket purchase in the list is legitimate).Not sure that clear text email entries help that much. One can easily create a series of different email addresses that really have the same owner. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 17, 2012, 02:45:37 AM I have updated my raffle ticket picker here: http://we.lovebitco.in/raffle.html. You should add a thing to sha256 a text field. I liked having the list of emails be hashes.Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 17, 2012, 03:40:49 AM I have updated my raffle ticket picker here: http://we.lovebitco.in/raffle.html. You should add a thing to sha256 a text field. I liked having the list of emails be hashes.Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 17, 2012, 03:56:18 AM I have updated my raffle ticket picker here: http://we.lovebitco.in/raffle.html. You should add a thing to sha256 a text field. I liked having the list of emails be hashes.People just need to remember how they typed their email address. You can not alter the case in email addresses, as they can (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5321#section-2.3.11) be case-sensitive. rfc5321 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5321#section-2.3.11) says: The local-part of a mailbox MUST BE treated as case sensitive. Therefore, SMTP implementations MUST take care to preserve the case of mailbox local-parts. In particular, for some hosts, the user "smith" is different from the user "Smith". If a user inputs inputs the domain part of an email address in upper case, then bit-pay should not accept the invalid domain, instead alerting the user that they are a retard. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 17, 2012, 04:06:45 AM LOL it took until 2008 for someone to realise that MS had messed that up in Exchange and write an RFC that was actually wrong?
I wonder how hard it is to delete an RFC that someone came up with. ... and why did anyone bother to agree to that :P Do any mail servers except exchange do that "MUST BE"? I'm pretty sure the majority of mail servers on the internet don't do that. Edit: Ah - OK, I read that again. The case is not relevant in the email address, it's just that computer accounts can have case sensitivity so a mail server that uses the front part of the address to determine the account name on the server may screw that up ... Still, not a problem for anyone who uses the norm like e.g. virtusertable on sendmail. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 17, 2012, 04:11:07 AM LOL it took until 2008 for someone to realise that MS had messed that up in Exchange and write an RFC that was actually wrong? I wonder how hard it is to delete an RFC that someone came up with. ... and why did anyone bother to agree to that :P Do any mail servers except exchange do that "MUST BE"? I'm pretty sure the majority of mail servers on the internet don't do that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish If there's a difference between standards and how Microsoft does stuff, it is because Microsoft does stuff wrong. Your mail server may send either kano or Kano or even KANO@ emails to your email box. My email server might send deepceleron@ and DeepCeleron@ to different mailboxes. Nothing along the line can mess with the case of the email address that you type in to email me, otherwise deepceleron might get DeepCeleron's email. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: kano on March 17, 2012, 04:25:19 AM Didn't notice the new page when I added an edit to my comment.
Yes I do realise that about Microsoft :D The only time I know of where they failed to do that was with Java - thankfully. I have vowed ever since that incident to never use C# (as I never have) since that is basically the reason why MS has C#. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 19, 2012, 04:07:57 AM C# is an international open standard.
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=42926 Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 19, 2012, 04:24:52 AM C# is an international open standard. http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=42926 But .Net is a layer on top of C# with strong encouragement of private APIs. I couldn't watch the olympic streaming last time because of their lame shit. Thankfully, this year NBC is going with youtube over silverlight. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 19, 2012, 04:26:34 AM What does .net have to do with C#?
C# + mono framework = open source C# + .net framrwork = closed source C++ + open source API = open source C++ + closed API = closed source Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: notme on March 19, 2012, 04:37:11 AM What does .net have to do with C#? C# + mono framework = open source C# + .net framrwork = closed source C++ + open source API = open source C++ + closed API = closed source Nothing, other than it is an example of the "extend" part of "embrace and extend". They leave off the "extinguish" for home-grown technologies like C#. Also, I have a hatred for using .Net C# APIs because their documentation is lousy. Open source doesn't always have the greatest documentation (although it often does have great documentation), but where it lacks it is easy enough to dig in and see what the code is actually doing. If you want to add a feature, you submit a patch and it gets added. Proprietary software harshes my mellow when I code, and the mellow is why I code. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 19, 2012, 04:40:12 AM You should add a thing to sha256 a text field. I liked having the list of emails be hashes. I didn't like that, it becomes easier for a raffle operator to disguise his own fake entries (instead of showing forum user names, etc., which allows us to intuit that every ticket purchase in the list is legitimate).I also didn't like having to do that and didn't plan on it originally, but I didn't provide a disclaimer on the Bit-Pay site that the email address provided would be published publicly, so I thought it was unfair to do so regardless of what the thread said. As for verifying uniqueness:
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 19, 2012, 05:37:26 AM
Real: I earn 200 BTC in ticket sales, and send the prize to someone Fraud: I earn 200 BTC in ticket sales, and 50% chance I send the prize to someone In all cases where I recommend disclosure as an anti-fraud mechanism, it is something that you can't make hundreds of for free without detection, such as your forum account here. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: SgtSpike on March 19, 2012, 06:45:25 AM
Real: I earn 200 BTC in ticket sales, and send the prize to someone Fraud: I earn 200 BTC in ticket sales, and 50% chance I send the prize to someone In all cases where I recommend disclosure as an anti-fraud mechanism, it is something that you can't make hundreds of for free without detection, such as your forum account here. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: deepceleron on March 19, 2012, 10:09:45 AM
Real: I earn 200 BTC in ticket sales, and send the prize to someone Fraud: I earn 200 BTC in ticket sales, and 50% chance I send the prize to someone In all cases where I recommend disclosure as an anti-fraud mechanism, it is something that you can't make hundreds of for free without detection, such as your forum account here. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 19, 2012, 11:35:37 AM Perhaps you should re-think what you are saying here? Nobody gets sent any BTC, the raffle prize is what is shipped (such as the BFL single). The raffle organizer keeps all bitcoins people send him to buy raffle tickets. The raffle organizer has promised to ship the prize to a winner at the end of the raffle. However, to defraud, he just buys many fake tickets, essentially for free, to reduce the chance of a legitimate winner. If he wins himself, he doesn't have to ship the prize to anybody - even if the ticket sales and picking method are done by someone else. If he doesn't win himself, it cost nothing extra to attempt to defraud all legitimate entrants, and he does what the raffle promised, ship the prize to the winner. That's true, and I thought about that before I did the raffle and the ultimate conclusion was that there is absolutely no logical way to confirm who is who. Email addresses don't mean anything, and neither do bitcoin wallet addresses. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 19, 2012, 01:02:04 PM But there's also a 50% chance that he has to send 100 BTC out of his own pocket to another person, if they win. Maybe a more extreme example will help you see the logical fallacy. Say I have a BFL Single. Say in a fair auction this will net 1000 BTC in tickets. I buy 100,000 BTC in tickets from me. Cost = 0 BTC (moving BTC from one hand to another). Chance I will win the BFL Single 99%. 99% of the time I will win my own Single and collect 1000 BTC in real tickets. 1% of the time someone else will win the Single and I still collect 1000 BTC in real tickets. Ultimately using block chain can only ensure the drawing is fair. If the raffle operator is stuffing the ticket box you will still "lose" fair drawing or not. Note: nothing should be taken to indicate Matthew "stuffed" his own raffle just pointing out that there is no cost to the operator to do so. There really is no way to avoid such a situation. Even using something like OTC signatures only ensures the operator isn't buying tickets directly. He/she could still be using a proxy. On edit: DUH. There is an obvious solution to ensure operator acts fairly. A fixed # of tickets. If the acution has a preset limit on # of tickets then there is no economic value in the operator "buying" tickets for himself. Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: dab on March 19, 2012, 03:51:09 PM Does bit-pay not take anything in Fees?
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Fiyasko on March 19, 2012, 05:14:45 PM Well shit. I mayaswell try for it
Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: NothinG on March 19, 2012, 05:33:06 PM Well shit. I mayaswell try for it The raffle is already over. :\Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 19, 2012, 05:52:37 PM Well shit. I mayaswell try for it The raffle is already over. :\lawl irl Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: chris200x9 on March 19, 2012, 06:23:45 PM Well shit. I mayaswell try for it The raffle is already over. :\lawl irl So is it not over, is that why you lawling in real life? Title: Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 19, 2012, 06:54:54 PM Well shit. I mayaswell try for it The raffle is already over. :\lawl irl So is it not over, is that why you lawling in real life? No, I was laughing because he first said "Screw this!", then he waited till after it was over to get involved. :'( It's funny. The BFL Single is being sent out to Estonia. Stay tuned for another raffle. |
