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Thousands march through French cities in protest of Israeli operation in Gaza Strip; French president says will not allow violence to spill over into France.

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The longer the Israeli-Palestinian conflict goes on and the more casualties there are, the more pressure there will be on Israel I'm afraid (to say nothing of the further radicalization of the population in both countries). Hopefully the Israeli government/population will realize its reputation is rapidly worsening and that the occupation is unsustainable and move towards a peaceful resolution; wishful thinking, I know. ::)

France has sizeable Muslim population. Muslims would mostly support the Gazans.

Yes. Around 15% of the population and growing. A result of the Socialist policies in the 1960s and the 1970s, which encouraged migration of cheap labor from the Maghreb and the Former French West Africa. The nation is getting increasingly polarized now, as evident from victory of the Front National in the 2014 Euro elections.

That might very well be true, but these demonstrations have been going on a little all over: France, UK, Germany, Turkey, US, New Zealand, Norway, Argentina, Sweden and Australia, last I checked - I'm sure these aren't all just Muslims making up the demonstrators either.

LOL uppity muslim.

I know this is a weird comparison but this shit reminds me exactly of watching American Democrats and Republicans argue over something, basically, in their minds the opposite side is always in the wrong and they completely ignore anything bad that they themselves have done and then for the other side it's the total opposite. You have the Palestinians conveniently forgetting that they fire rockets and suicide bomb Israel on a regular basis and then Israel conveniently forgets that they constantly threaten invasion with tanks and take pot shots at Palestinian civilians for shits and giggles.

It would be almost comical if it weren't for the extreme arrogance surrounding other peoples' deaths, hell I bet even on this thread we're going to see the exact same bullshit too.

It's a great day ! First time you say socialism cause problems ! thanks !  :D
And sorry but the front national is very socialist...

And the guy they label as "pro-palestinian" are just some vandal wanting to break public and private property and hit some Jews... It's the first time this government try to respect the taxpayer money and protect us from leftism extremist so it's good.

Would be fair to see the same violence on them than there was on right wing people...

You are right, muslims wouldn't support Israel. It's not likely Israelis would join in this demonstration  ;).

Oh sorry, I completely missed it; yes, there were anti-war demonstrations even in Israel, which is a good sign: http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/07/pro-peace-protests-are-sweeping-israel-right-now-and-israeli-jdl-fascists-are-freaking-out/ (http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/07/pro-peace-protests-are-sweeping-israel-right-now-and-israeli-jdl-fascists-are-freaking-out/) - unfortunately, never very far from counter demonstrations, it seems.

Irony how most of the protesters are Muslim. I still dont know why france didnt kick them out.

They are French now, but we need to stop import new and take Europe people, Arab are a so big minority if we don't mix with other there will be huge problem here...

I support immigration and have nothing against stranger, but i think import every time the same people will polarize too much our society.

Arab bring middle east here as usual...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bgW8-0o6po#t=113

I think this shows that the Hammas strategy of using civilians as human shields has worked as there has been a lot of collateral damage in Palestine, but the reason for the collateral damage is because Hammas is putting it's weapons in places like hospitals and schools.

That's a fallacy - even if Hamas is doing so, what gives Israel the right to attack anyway? No, the reason for the incredible loss of life that has been going on there, on a daily basis, is that the people in Gaza are being slaughtered by Israel. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot wrong with Hamas, but no one is forcing Israel to attack Gaza - there are other ways to solve this conflict, like for example, Israel ending the 47 year old occupation and lifting the blockade on Gaza, that has left the people there on the verge of an humanitarian crisis (and purposefully so, as we've learned from leaked American-Israeli documents, and later officially admitted).

And the line that Hamas is using civilians as human shields left and right just doesn't add up to the more than 700 people killed, 80% civilian casualties (before the ground invasion - it's anyone's guess how many it is now), the constant Israeli attacks on vital infrastructure each time it bombs Gaza, the missile attack on a busy intersection near the market, the attack on the beach cafe while people were watching the World Cup and the recent attack on the beach where the other kids were playing.

muslim or not they are French and they have the right to voice their opinion, also during the desmonstration there people from every community including jews,  but hey the propaganda is that only Muslim people that demonstrate against Israeli war crime ! keep going at it

Human shields ? how about posting some picture and video of Hamas members using human shields and shooting at Israelies ?
Let's see if you can post pictures like these : (by the eyes these are soldiers from the most noble army in the world according to some...) and these pictures are the safest I found there are some horrofiying picture that I will not post in respect to people reading this thread and forums rules
http://crushzion.k0nsl.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/humanshield-jew.jpg
http://www.dci-pal.org/english/doc/press/sabri.jpg
http://crushzion.k0nsl.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/palestinian-boy-as-human-shield-by-jews.jpg

I assume you are kidding, they was very few people from other community who are show to the media to prove there isn't just Arab. Also most people i know don't liked the street were busy cause of pro-palestinian protest.

We have a lot of problems in France, most people don't give a fuck about ME, except some Arab on welfare and communist.

"arabs on welfare"  if they are on warfare they French no matter what's their origin is. but it seems that you have a problem with the right of expression once opinion and the right of being different

Aww cute, the French Muslims took time out from blowing up synagogues to have a protest!

The protest is a bit over. Why not peacefully express their condemnation.  Their protests actually are causing another violence in France.

And they are most likely on welfare and keep spreading like wildfire. In 10-20 years, that 15% going to become at least 40%.

No offense but that sounds like a totally made up number. There are more and more Latinos in the US but it's not like they are the majority, yet. Although I think whites won't be greater than 50 percent in the next few decades. Depends what region you live in too I guess

Latinos are already approaching the majority mark in several of the big US states, such as Texas and California. And as of 2013, white births were less than 50% of all the American births.

Coming back to France, the 15% mark will surely go up in the next few decades. It may not reach 40%, but 25% to 30% is possible by 2050.

The France shoudn't let the Palestinian ppl increase too much otherwise some social problems will arise. The immigration should mix.

People tends to easily forgets the origins of the immigration in France. Such as 1- Africans including north-africans (arabs) that helped liberate France and Europe at the cost of their lives, and the ones that survived and lived in France made several generations
2- the reconstruction of France after world war II and the economic boom of France in the 60 required a lot of working force, hence a lot of people were brought from African and north african countries to help with this
3- the part of youth you see on the street the ones that are from arab ethnicities, are mostly a third 4th or even  5th generation from an immigrant family, and they are totally French but some people seems to forget these parts.

But this whole point is derailling from the thread
"Anti-Israel protesters rally across France" I personally find the abbreviation of this title misleading and partially wrong : the demonstrations are not ANTI-Israel , as in they don't want the existance of Israel or it destruction, but they are against the Politics of Israel towards palestinians and the massacre happening in Gaza.

I don't think the problem is immigration throughout europe but rather that people are very misinformed.

All of which should not be allowed to detract from the fact that Israel is legally and morally on thin ice here

Immigrants really are taking over the modernized world.

Israel can literally do whatever it wants. Why because It has a big brother watching over it and no one wants to fuck with the little bro because they'll have to deal with the big bro. :o

I think you need to investigate a little more before you draw conclusions and to hear both sides, I can tell you that Israel does rightly seizes Gaza, because it could give the citizens live in fear.

Come here, go in their fucking ghetto and ask them if they feel French ! stupid !

You really live in a fairy tale...

Uhh because they are likely mostly French nationals and have a right to live there.

I'm sure that the countries in North Africa that were invaded and became part of the French Colonial Empire were thrilled when their culture was changed.

You don't have to be Muslim to be disgusted by what's happening with Israel and Palestine right now.

Wait, because Syria gave a fuck when they butchered 200k of their own people so far? Or the millions the Chinese have? Or maybe the the millions of North-Koreans.
Oh wait, the majority of the world didn't even give a fuck. That's right.

In 2nd thought, they did care, when they tried to blame Israel to what's going on Syria.
Seems legit.
Not.

Well, that happens when the majority of the countries out there are dictatorships and/or opposing the western countries.

What's your point ? And French empire build a lot of infrastructure there... Now French colony who stay in France are far better than Algeria...

My point is that many of those Muslim's who DodoB was referring to below are based in France precisely because the French invaded the countries which their families originated.


Many of the Muslims that are protesting will have families originating from French Colonial North African countries and therefore have as much right as any of the French to be there and voice their opinion.

A nation or a culture is usually being conquered for many good reasons. They need to either change their way and evolve with rest of the world or leave the country and stop dragging everyone down with them.

They are here just for political reason (they are leftist...), was a great error to import them cause they do too much damage.

I'm not sure if that statement you made is intentionally ambiguous/left open to interpretation.

But essentially you're saying that those with the ability to conquer have the right to shape the future of a country and the people within it. I suppose that has happened a lot historically.

In fact the European empire give a lot to this world.

Those with the ability to conquer have the social, economic and technology advantage on their side. They have earn the right to shape other future.

Those who are being conquered should learn their mistake adopt to new way of doing things. Should they correct their mistakes, they too have the right to do the same to their enemies.
 

And I suppose all those innocent men, women and children killed in the so called conquering are simply a cost to the supposed greater good? Is the call to stop the bloodshed simply short-sightedness from those who despair at the headlines of yet more bloodshed?

I guess that I should be grateful that it isn't my home that is being bombed to smitherines, and my family that isn't mostly wiped out in a single shell attack.

Wake up in the morning despairing over another day at work, whereas it could be waking up in the morning grateful to still be waking up in a war-torn country.

Those who conquer and prosper eventually reach decadence and collapse, probably from within themselves.

Killing innocent civilian is a problem, Roman empire expanded a lot without killing peaceful people, only those who don't accepted their submission.

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And this criminal do the nazi sign too:

https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/p720x720/10504768_10204317158631359_2580287871566773051_o.jpg

But our justice is permissive for criminal and hard for working citizen  :-[

Unfortunately, it seems that fascism and nazi-ism are trending in the aftermaths of these tensions around the world.

I think extreme left wing and extreme right wing socialism are the same thing.

And if someone robes or rapes you on the street one day, will you also blame yourself for it?

A lot of empire and kingdom was great with people who wasn't violent.

I'm sorry to say, but the stupid one here is the person insulting others without and argue or provide proves or facts on the matter

Peut être que je connais la situation en France mieux que vous.


Extreme right wing and socialism in the same sentence about France? please do some reading before spouting such a non sense it's embarrassing.

Wesh gros moi jsuis un vrai français j'y vi depuis toujours la preuve jsais ecrire en mauvais français alors casse moi pas les couilles avec ma légitimité à parler de mon pays, sale mélanchoniste. Et viens pas dire que le FN  est pas socialiste avec ses délires social et protectionistes à la con. D'ailleurs jean marie le pen soutient les palestiniens aussi.

Nazism has never left the world, since it was first introduced. Strangely enough we now see nazism in unexpected countries/races who the nazis wanted to eliminate.


Can someone translate?

You can't, i have write in a way that only a French can write to prove i'm French. It's not important stuff.

How old are you ? 12? because that's not the kind of reply you would get from a mature person. Français? pas plus que moi en tout cas, Et puis tu me traites de malebranchiste sans même connaitre mon appartenance politique, ce qui, encore une fois, prouve ce que j'ai dit au début de mon commentaire.


He is just saying in broken French : "Yo, I am a true French and I always lived in France, and the prove is that I can write in broken French (lol the logic here is too strong)  so don't nag me (actually the literal translation is that stop breaking my balls) over the my legitimacy of speaking about France, you dirty mélanchoniste (follower of Jean Luc Mélanchon which the leader of far left party) and don't come and tell me that the Front National (extreme right party) is not a socialist with all their stupid socialism and protectionism., Also note that Jean Marie LePen (FN previous leader) support Palestine

The social advantage include having law abiding citizens which contribute positively to the country they are residing in.

Raping and robbing happen often in the conquered nations as you often read on the news in Muslim and Hindu countries. Do you think such countries "earn" their right to exists? What surprise me the most is the west often accept these cultures into their country with open arm and invite the same kind of problems with bring down the immigrants own country.

Yes it's a strong logic, every guy who go in a good language school can speak good French, but only a true French can speak the average street teenager French, cause usually people coming to France without be French don't speak with this guy.

all north African youth can write in the same French (de la rue) and the people you are flaming in all your post excels at it.

This people are cool when they don't talk about politics.

Your argumentation is totally wrong/false, simply because, crimes will always flourish in poor countries/regions no matter what confession they are, and it's not about the culture per say, you mentions Muslim countries for example then lets do a comparison shall we, the amount of crimes in the UAE or Qatar, is much lower than most western countries you are talking about, yet on the other hand, if you take an example of a poor country such as Somalia or Sudan you'll find a lot of problem. it's the circumstances and living conditions, that push people to do such crimes in general not their culture or origin and saying otherwise is just stupid

Do you see this kind of crimes in Japan, South Korea and Singapore when these countries were as pissed poor as Somalia and Sudan? They were in bad position, learn their mistakes and decided to correct their mistakes.

You can also compare it to US before the industry revolution and Germany after WWII and see how quickly the countries recovered from extremely bad position to where they are right now.

Those crimes were in those countries when they were pissed poor, no region escapes from such faith it's in human nature, the only difference is that when those countries were pissed poor as you say, there wasn't remotely as much media coverage as there is now, you can check african countries where Muslims are minority for example, type Central Africa massacre and check for your self and we can take any other example.

Again you are taking bad examples the US before the industrial revolution was poor, the US is a very large very rich country, from agriculture, mineral resources, water, animals ect ect and I'm not going to talk about ethnical cleansing of native population or salevery problems and heck even the representation in Hollywood movies of that era shows high crimes rates, and yet even today while it is the US has one of the highest if not the highest crime rate in the western world, as for Germany, after WW2 Germany was under colonization and army law, Germany was still a strong industrial country, and again that doesn't mean there were no crimes it means the crimes.

If you want to take an example take an example of real poor countries as in today (to have the same media coverage), where goverment can't even enforce the law.

You know what. Humans are always willing to kill each others.
Just let it be. It is the human condition. It is natural selection.
Those dumb-ass fanatics waste their resources while we can prosper.
There is always mass murdering on Earth, try to not be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Do you know why we feel so concerned about this small conflict ?
Because we (Europeans & Occidentals) created it and fed it.
We exported our conflicts abroad. That's what we wanted.
Everything is fine. It's just an other day for you an me in paradise.

Seems like the Gaza attacks have united the global Muslim population. Recently the Iranian Supreme Leader requested the Sunnis and Shias to stop fighting each other, and concentrate on attacking the Israelis. However, the last time I heard from Iraq the Shias there were still fighting against the Sunni-backed Islamic State.

You're right; the West is probably responsible for most of the stuff going on in the region (and elsewhere), but that seems all the more reason to be concerned about it - especially since we profited handsomely from it. But of course, whether we care about it or not, we're some thousands of kilometers safely away, and won't have to deal with any of the more direct consequences from it, unlike those being slaughtered there.

Just one question, when has Islam ever live in peace with their neighbors and in what period has it ever dominance in commerce?

The country I live in, they don't even tolerate the local minority population.

The right question would be when has Israel ever lived in peace with its neighbours?

They're the regime that keeps invading other countries.

It is not their fault that none of their neighbors recognize their right to exist. If they were only lightly armed and without any NATO support, Israel as a nation would have been long extinct as of now.

I don't understand your the point of your question, because the answer would be the same everywhere heck to prove my point, maybe you need to check the list of deadliest wars in history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
not a single war related to Islam in the top 15 actually, but I can understand that will all the media acharnament people can easly mistake, and this is the reason that I don't believe in media but I do a little bit of search before advancing something

But if you look at a list of ongoing armed conflicts with 1000+ deaths per year,8 out of 10 of those wars involves Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

The only thing is that a part from Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the rest of casualties is related to Arab spring/revolution (with a few exceptions), and not real wars as the ones mentioned above

Huh?

Here is the list:

#1. Israeli–Palestinian conflict : Jews vs Arabs
#2. War in Afghanistan: NATO vs Taliban
#3. Somali Civil War: Al Shabab vs Ethiopia
#4. Islamist insurgency in Nigeria: Boko Haram vs Goodluck Jonathan
#5. War in North-West Pakistan: Taliban vs Pakistan
#6. Mexican Drug War
#7. Egyptian Crisis: Islamic Brotherhood vs Al Sisi
#8. Syrian Civil War: ISIS vs Assad
#9. Iraqi insurgency: ISIS vs NATO
#10. Central African Republic conflict: Muslims vs Christians
#11. South Sudanese Civil War
#12. War in Donbass

In the top ten, only the Mexican Drug War is not related to Islam.