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Don't tell us what you think or anything. illegal immigrants should be deported just as should all minorities regardless of birthplace.
I hesitate to say that anyone "deserves" such treatment, bc no1 deserves to be born mexican/black/etc tho. it is a case where nature has committed a gr8 injustice and we must deal with it

I voted "Yes they deserve to be deported" since I'm a reasonable person. So, anyone born outside of the US has been dealt a great injustice?

I think fair solution is to deport all immigrants and their off-spring.

These guys agree!

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/images/namericanimage.jpg

Historical pwnage :P *high fives*

What 'Americans' who rant about immigration like to forget is their ancestors were originally immigrants to begin with.

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The US is full of immigrants and their offspring in the first place. Many of us Americans are still illusionary that we are going to be the wealthiest place for the next 50 years.

yes, exactly. being born outside the most prosperous nation of the past century is just bad luck. especially when the majority of other nations are 3rd world shitholes.

what about retrospective deportation of all families and relations not native to america, who once sailed in from some foreign land, like those mayflower fuckers for a start ...

I would support such a cause, but unfortunately the original native bloodline has long been exterminated, leaving white anglo-saxon protestants as the oldest natural inhabitants of america.

Bloodlines? This is why I say that literally everyone who thinks immigration should be illegal is a statist or a racist. Usually both.

once you decide to distinguish between native citizens and everyone else, you have to base eligibility on some quality

picking bloodline is just as savage as picking place of birth; you cant choose what family you're born to just as you cant choose where you're born

the clever reader will note that |race| and |place of birth| correlate strongly. the egalitarian cynic will claim that the latter is used as a proxy for the former, but the only sane reason to give a fuck about who can get citizenship is that it has tangible effects on quality of life.

|being impoverished and illiterate| also correlates strongly with these other two variables, and that's what people give a shit about.

as a legislator, i can discriminate based on any of these three random variables for the nearly same effect, bar stupid shit like hurting ppls feelings.

to qualify as a racist, one must refuse to allow low |race| with low |impoverished and illiterate|. add a literacy test and sufficiently prohibitive fees to your immigration policy for any value of |race| or |place of birth|, and you don't qualify.

unless you have a sufficiently abstract definition of racist, in which case identifying someone by any heritable characteristic (including intelligence, various personality traits, susceptibility to disease, aesthetics, etc.) makes you a racist. in which case every living human being is a racist, and the word no longer works as an insult

I'm all for open borders in a purely free market environment but we're miles away from that...like the distance from the earth to the sun in terms of reality. The current welfare state in America is vastly over-bloated and that's before you start inviting everyone and their brother here to join in on it. The visa program just needs to be fixed so the migrants can work and help the local economy. The latest immigration debacle that is on everyone's mind is largely a concerted campaign by Obama to overrun this country as fast as possible w/ immigrants that ordinarily wouldn't even be coming here in such numbers. And, damn near all of these people are coming w/ the sole initial intention of going on state and federal services which is the main thing that is hurting their cause. Very few countries allow people to walk in their back door and foot their bill with all the bells and whistles. America is in no shape to be doing this at this time despite whatever humanitarian spin anyone tries to put on this. A stagnant and faltering economy can't support the poorest of the world in waves like is being perpetrated.

In the wake of this big ebola virus outbreak we certainly can't have wide open borders because there's no guarantee that this or some other obscure virus won't make its way through there. Also, if these people really want the freedom that America allegedly offers them, then they better be willing to bust their asses to get up to speed and pay their own way. It's just poor timing considering everything else that's going on in the world and since it has been a scheme orchestrated by Team Obama, that is a very threatening thing to all Americans.

if they are here without authorization then there is no reason to allow them to stay in the country.

Media Caught Lying About Pro-Border Demonstration Numbers


More...http://www.infowars.com/media-caught-lying-about-pro-border-demonstration-numbers/ (http://www.infowars.com/media-caught-lying-about-pro-border-demonstration-numbers/)
A very common tactic they used when lowballing to ridiculousness the sizes of crowds Ron Paul brought out.

Many are here are doing jobs no American would take.

I agree that in principle that folks who don follow the proper rules should not be rewarded for it
Easier said than done, and a pretty complex, nuanced topic though

Perhaps we should teach legal Americans that if there is a job that they don't want to do but it's there perhaps they should take it instead of collecting unemployment.

Everyone was fine with illegals from Latin America in the 1950s and 1960s when the economy was good and there was ample jobs.  

 There's actually a history of illegal immigration which goes back centuries.  Greeks used to be called Bananas a long time ago as they were known to jump off boats to swim ashore.  Then there were people who cheated the immigration system.  John Kerry's ancestors were from the Czech region and lied and said they were Irish to get a better chance of getting in, due to the racial quota laws at the time.


Reality is most people in Latin America see USA as a better alternative to their countries.  If you look at the history of Mexico and Central America - those countries have literally had civil unrest / civil war since their inception.

It's not a question of hating farm work - it's the question is how sane can you be if you have to walk past dead bodies everyday on the way to work / school.  No one would be risking enslavement or death by coyotes (human smugglers) or abandoning their kids if everything in Central America was fine.

My view is if the illegal aliens coming over are truly "risk takers" then they can go find a job on their own, pay for their own child's schooling, pay for their own healthcare, housing, social security retirement, no EBT cards and not expect to get a driver's license being a non-citizen.

America may be a nation of immigrants but the people who came off the boat to Ellis Island in 1900 didn't have a basket full of goodies in social welfare that they didn't pay into waiting for them either. Also it was common for people to be turned away if you were sick or had no family or job prospects. Imagine being turned around and sent back on another month long boat journey back to Italy? Same situation, you can make an emotional argument about anything to sidestep logic.

Agree, the law should be respected at all times

I don't believe a country should have birthright citizenship either, which I assume is what you mean by "native citizens."

Crisis averted.

The original colonists weren't breaking any laws since the indigenous tribes hadn't developed laws in the first place. The indigenous peoples of this continent couldn't even read or write until 200 years ago.

Genocide is okay if they can't read.

This topic is dumb - why can't I vote that?

'muricans' only come here to bitch about shit like that because they were offended by something they see or something they are dealing with (ie loud neighbors| annoying neighborhood)

Seriously - did the native americans sit around like 'these damn immigrants, WE need to deport them!'?

See my point...YOU'RE probably a descendant of an immigrant :P

Disclaimer:  I am am from USA

The Holocaust was genocide. Traveling to another country with a cold isn't genocide. You probably think the colonists committed genocide because you're racist and uneducated.

Illegals exist all over the world, why only americans can vote?

For me all illegals that are not political refugees are liable to be deported, because most of them are linked to crime.

no one force you to read this topic or to wrote on it.....which means you like it.....you "I am am from USA"
i bet your an native American and your so pissed off my immigrant ancestors that  reduce your people to almost 0.......see my point?

because this issue you find it more in USA than in other countries.....i will change the poll so you can vote too .

Of course there are more illegal in US than anywhere else. The local population refuse to work in the field and "low" paying job.

Only 4% of illegal aliens in the US actually work in the agricultural field. Go to any Mcdonalds and they are now staffed by illegal aliens, 10 years ago this would have been an American teenager working that job. Coincidentally jobless youth is at an all-time high...

20% are employed in construction. Construction isn't exactly a low-paying job for a skilled contractor and many Americans without degrees are perfectly willing to do that work but have to now compete against 3rd world wages in a 1st world nation.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5250150 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5250150)

Shut up - you're an American citizen and your concerns are irrelevant (at best, secondary) to this President. Today, the interest of American citizens come last after all other considerations, especially if you don't vote the right way. Do as you're told, or we'll get NSA/HomelandSecurity/IRS/FBI/etc. on your ass. Racist.

(sarc, btw... sort of)

The illegals don't need to pay any taxes, while the American citizens need to pay taxes. So an illegal's net salary is alteast 50% higher than his American counterpart. And this allows him to work for much lower wages.

Amusing. Why the fuck does anyone need a reason to enforce a law? Would these mexicans or other illegals like to have me and my guys sitting in their living room, eating their food, sleeping in their bed, shitting in their toilet, then claiming 'this is mine'?

Don't bitch about 'native' americans - you never cared until they became an excuse to bitch at Americans. America is first and foremost a european american affair, and that much is obvious even to a minority like myself.

Deal with it.

As another commentator on another site has said:
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All this must be happening with a wink and a nod from someone in the administration. Mexico has tighter border laws than we do. Someone has encouraged them to abandon their own laws and let them in. I don't think they would allow that, even if it's lucrative financially, unless they had assurances the people would not be stuck in Mexico when the reached the US.
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To folks in the US, too many of you are acting as though this is still a government that works for you and that a war, at least a virtual one, isn't already upon you, from within (not just from the southern border).

indigenous tribes back then in the freedom orientated open borders of the unspoilt lands of the once north american utopia were like innocent young girls breezing through unspoilt summer meadows, until ...

nasty vicious germanic anglo saxon pillagers and rapists with diseased cocks descended upon these beautiful lands uninvited like charles manson at a children's birthday party, pulling out their evil cocks and buggering the hell out of all godly innocence once pure and untouched

... the rest is history, with a thief like grab for land and self serving laws invented to rob land off those original souls now poor and dispossessed, with rootin' and tooting' and shooting' and shouting "thars gold in them hills" where every hill billy from europe and beyond took to americee like a disease, to create a hotch potch of crime ridden and gun crazy death penalty obsessed and self obsessed group of the world's largest mega-fattest states, mainly with religious conservative gun toting nut jobs outranking an underclass of many decent liberal americans. all in all the original natives were a decent bunch .

USA can stop deporting and start accepting large masses of illegals under one condition: all social security must be cancelled and taxes need to be lowered to a minimum or cancelled. Because firstly, you cannot expect that hordes of foreigners comming for your free money (they get that citizenship eventually) can bring any fiscal sustainability. And secondly they would be net fiscal takers, when normal citizens are forever fiscal losers.

In the distant past, anyone could come to USA, but had to survive on his own. And he had to integrate, and fast, if he wanted to get a job and survive. And that was called a melting pot concept. This social security backed up multiculturalism that is the opposite, has fucked up EU (just try to be a woman in Berlin at night) and it's eventually going to fuck up USA too.

Common misconception about immigrants being scroungers, most of them are very hard working and end up paying more in taxes than they take in social security.

The idea that they're all coming here for 'free money' is just bullshit made up by the likes of Fox News.

To deport or not to deport is a red herring; consider the following:

1. Immigration has not always been illegal; using the standard of today, the only people that would be in America, for example, would be the natives.

2. Immigration is made illegal as a result of nationalism and socialism: the nationalist wants to cultivate a society which adheres to similar beliefs, naturally that of a culture which submits to the sun god (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state) and no other sun gods, and of course immigrants coming from differing cultures "mix in" with that pool and dilute the once powerful all-hail-our-sun-god culture; whereas the socialist wants to be relieved of responsibility over his life and opts to advocate for programs and planning which help support his habit of blaming someone else for wrongdoing: the immigrant can take the freeloader's spot and eat up all the taxes to be spent on him, as many are attracted to free benefits (as, for example, many young Americans are attracted to the idea of "free college education" in other nations.)  Together, they agree, as national socialists, to keep out undesirable immigration, and so setup strict border rules and ensure the only people allowed in the nation are:

A. In agreement with the culture of the nation, including language, political affiliations, and so forth, to satisfy the nationalist
B. Educated, mild-mannered (see: complacent) and productive, so as to produce lots and lots of taxes, to satisfy the socialist

3. Immigration only needs to be illegal so long as the nationalists and the socialists are appeased; without the desire to cultivate people, and without the desire to "build great works" at the public's expense, there is no need to force immigrants out (or to keep emigrants in, which is another matter entirely); the only people attracted to said nation, lacking the national socialist desires, are those who want to make a better life for themselves, thereby naturally discouraging unwanted immigration as there's nothing to freeload from and nothing to demand adherence.

That, however, would necessitate the removal of said nationalists and socialists from the accepted norm; instead, they just call themselves by different names, and continue to evade scrutiny as people aren't principled enough to see the similarity between two same things using different guises; in America's case, it's Republicans and Democrats, but they also go by the name conservative and liberal.  Until that day, it doesn't really matter what you do with the illegals, whether you kick them out or keep letting them in to buy votes for your party; the fact that immigration is illegal at all is enough testament to just how fucked up people are.

It does not mean that they don't have laws if it is not written. I'm sure they have oral laws. If your neighbor doesn't know how to read or white doesn't give you the right to kill him and stole his land.

I search on google, the anthropologist discovered that the natives use string and knot as a form of writing. The colonist could have seen it and have no idea it is a form of writing.

Meanwhile...


Hubris, NSA style.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/28/feds-secretly-dump-hundreds-illegal-immigrants-in-tennessee/ (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/28/feds-secretly-dump-hundreds-illegal-immigrants-in-tennessee/)

Very strong statement.
If you think that illegals like just numbers, somebody who may still your job, bring criminal to your community etc. this statement can be understandable.
But, each of this people are humans, people who suffer and who took huge risk in order to come to their new countries, in order to support their families, so they should receive credits for this, not punishment.
I hope that all this people will be, soon or later, accepted in their new countries, not punished by the low and deported.

If the immigration laws are implemented strictly, then very few illegals would consider travelling to the US, thereby reducing their "suffering". On the other hand, Amnesties, Sanctuary cities.etc actually encourage illegal immigration.

Even the notion of "illegals" is a bit misinformed to me.  Many people are within the arbitrary boundaries of a political entity without documents through no fault of their own (for example, the borders of the country have changed, or the parents brought a minor child who is now an adult).  Sweeping all folks without documents into the class of "illegals" borders on xenophobia, for me.

Senator Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.) denounced the House Republican border bill as a “surrender to a lawless president” because the legislation does not include any language to prevent President Obama from expanding his unilateral legalization of illegal immigrants.

Here’s the statement:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/384062/jeff-sessions-house-border-bill-surrender-lawless-president-joel-gehrke (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/384062/jeff-sessions-house-border-bill-surrender-lawless-president-joel-gehrke)

you were once an "illegal" or at least your ancestors were.
freedom is the right to pursue happiness. 
today the government says you are illegal so you should leave.
tomorrow the government says bitcoin is illegal so you should not use it.  ohh wait.. that was yesterday..
YOU SHOULD LISTEN

Not totally bullshit. Public sector and college, you will see "free money" going into son/daugther/newphew/niece of the immigrant faculty/professor.

Rights, privileges and benefits of the doubt are granted to everyone *but* American citizens by this government. It no longer works for you. Don't you people realize that?

You mean, we can't call people without passports "illegal"?  Why?

Obviously you can.  My point is that it's a dehumanizing way to look at someone caught in an unfortunate situation with respect to turbulent and changing political winds.  I personally don't like the implication that is given by saying "you are an illegal" to a person.  It sounds like their existence is illegal.  For that reason, I prefer the term "undocumented".  It refers to the person's status as having no documents without dehumanizing.  My opinion.

Immigrants should try to make their own country a better place. US didn't become successful over night and had to fight a civil war and face multiple economic depression to make it happen.

I'm an illegal. Not currently in the U.S. (I'm in Switzerland right now) but I've been there, and I'll be back sometimes. I'm proud to be illegal and undocumented because I would be ashamed of being a legal citizen in most countries. I love America, several other countries too, but there isn't one country I like so much that I'd like to be one of its citizens. Every country has its dark side, so I don't want to support any. I believe a man has the right to live anywhere on the planet, providing he doesn't ask anyone help (welfare) to live, and that's what I do.