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did i just lose a .2btc transaction because the fee was set at .2btc?

Cant see the image. Try again.

I don't see the image, maybe you have set the wallet to pay a huge tx fee?

Try using http://imageshack.us/ OP it should work.

Image is having problem, anyway you can set your fee in your bitcoin wallet. Make sure its not 0 and not higher then 0.001.

[img ]http://Screen Shot 2014-08-06 at 10.59.21 AM[ /img]

hahaha

IDK how to pose screenshots

You need to first upload your image to some website that accepts them. Just do a quick google search and you will find too many....

Just send transaction URL so we could see all details unless you are afraid of exposing your address.

Yep, if you aren't able to upload screenshot (it's simple btw) then post and txid.

Upload it on www.imgur.com.

try

www.subeimagenes.com

https://imageshack.com/i/ezHmdWcap

Maybe this will help: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+post+screenshots

And just go for video section :)

damn  ???

Wow, how did you manage to do that...yep it seems that you have lost these coins.

So why you manually set the fee to .2 btc ???
What client or wallet you are using, under bitcoin-qt you have to manually set to .2 btc, or you meant to put .2 mbtc ? (.2 mbtc would be reasonable fee)

Yes, it seems like you paid 0.20 BTC as a transaction fee :(
Which client were you using? Bitcoin Core? blockchain.info?

Blockchain.info

Looks like you have paid 0.2 BTC fee. Idk what to say about that. That's why I always manually input fee amount. I feel sorry for you.

can we all collectively perhaps chip in a few coin each to help replace this… is there not a mining pool to contact for situations like this.. This is not honest earned money by a miner.. It is not wrong of me to ask for it back.

Why the fuck would i or anyone set the fee at that it is ludacris.

Who owns/runs block chain I'm going to email them. this is fucked up

If you can figure out which pool mined the block they might give it back to you.  I know of a couple of instances when someone sent a huge transaction fee (much more than you did) and begged the pool and they gave it back because it was an obvious mistake.

What was the transaction ID again?  Let's see if it was mined by a "nice" pool.

I agree, this is by far the best route.

Begging here will only attract spite, but asking nicely (nicely!!) to the pool will likely yield results.

Why would you even start to think that blockchain.info is remotely responsible for your mistake?

That is the worst possible attitude you can have around here. 

We/I might be able to help you out.  Please post the transaction ID so we can see what we can do.

Yes, OP must post the transaction ID ... like this : http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/4ed20e0768124bc67dc684d57941be1482ccdaa45dadb64be12afba8c8554537

https://blockchain.info/tx/eb4dfa9e3f091b550701784b7bd7945a7344d99bf0ab20c7bac19239af034f67 i have to wait 5 min between posts sorry for delay..

im not upset at block chain, This has NEVER happened before so, i got pissed at block chain but i understand its not their fault. Primal instinct kicked in… I basically kicked n punched the first thing within in reach…

Holy crap!  Is that the largest fee in the blockchain?  Makes 0.2 BTC look like nothing.

seriously ? how much transaction you use ? thats impossible .
or error ?

you play with bizarre ... transaction : http://btc.blockr.io/address/info/17ydyNCP67PcAzjUdgK2b6Gc48FaaKL82h
 ::)

https://blockchain.info/block-index/454469

http://btc.blockr.io/block/info/314198

Seems that this block was mined by bitfury

Only thing left for you is to ask them nicely to return you that fee. If you make yourself look like begging for it or being aggressive that will not help you at all. All we can do now is wish you good luck with that :)

I understand, now how do i contact them? is there an email, can i do it here on the forum?

Just explain that you made a mistake and ask nicely.  Looking at the transaction it is an obvious mistake.  I have high hopes you will get it back since we do know the pool.  It it had been an unknown pool or the P2P pool probably not.

Try emailing support@bitfury.org if it's really their address as it seems to be.

How did you guys determine it was Bitfury? All I see is "Unknown with 1AcAj9p Address".


(and who is Bitfury, didn't there used to be an early ASIC manufacturer named that? I thought they were bankrupt)

Post the full transaction hash (the long string of characters) so we can look up the transaction on Blockchain.info

I can see what happened here. There was on field for "Amount to send" and one field for "Transaction fee" and you switched them up. By default you have a transaction fee of 0.0001 which you changed to 0.2

See how the total amount you sent was 0.2001 (0.0001 + 0.2fee instead of 0.2 + 0.0001fee)

It's here : https://blockchain.info/tx/eb4dfa9e3f091b550701784b7bd7945a7344d99bf0ab20c7bac19239af034f67

Try support@bitfury.org like DubFX said. Here is more about contacting them: http://www.bitfury.org/contacts

Or try on social networks:
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bitfury/
https://twitter.com/BitFuryGroup
https://www.facebook.com/BitFury

They do have over $8.5 million at this address:  https://blockchain.info/address/1AcAj9p6zJn4xLXdvmdiuPCtY7YkBPTAJo

I would expect they won't miss 0.2 BTC in revenue  ;)

Said transaction was included in block #314198. We can see what mining pool mined which block here: https://blockchain.info/blocks

It just happens to be that #314198 was mined by an anonymous miner.

I've been trying to find out who mined the block and can't for the life of me figure out how you guys found out it was Bitfury. Seems others speculate it's ghash.io who controls that address. I haven't seen any definitive answer as to who mined that block.

I have also tried to verify that it was bitfury but have not been able to.

My "go to" site for this information shows unknown:

http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/blocklist.php

How was bitfury determined?

Found this to be a bit interesting:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RcBrK7yzdFkJ:mempool.info/pool/MimPd+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I don't know, I've just believed DubFX :D

It looks like the OP may be out of luck.  I cannot confirm that this was mined by Bitfury.  In fact this address has its own thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703075.0

any conclusions?

Nope. Looks like it was mined by an anonymous miner. It COULD be Bitfury, wouldn't hurt to email them and check.

DubFX:  how did you determine this?  Nobody else has been able to confirm your conclusion.  Please let us know.  Thanks.

Well i have it from here: https://i.imgur.com/cgG3tOm.png

Wait, you can manually set your own transaction fee on blockchain.info?

Another question-- when sending out from an exchange such as bitstamp, does bitstamp pay or deduct a transaction fee for you?

I feel sorry. I dont know to solve this problem but I think you should try the advice from this guy.

Yes you can manually set the fee with lots of wallets. Usually it displays a warning if the fee you enter is clearly too large, depending on the wallet in question.


Sometimes they pay and sometimes you pay depending on the exchange.

You can if you select Custom Transaction.


I've had not any fees deducted from my bitstamp withdrawals. They seem to absorb them, bundling a few withdrawals toghether.

How come you are manually changing the transaction fee settings?  When using blockchain.info, I just leave all of that to default.   I think you would be better off in most instances leaving it the way it comes

sooooooo any conclusions. I tried emailing bit fury, not sure how long a response with take

NOR DO I RECALL ENTERING .2 FOR THE FEE.

WHICH IS WHY I AM BEYOND LIVID. But that does me little in the long run.

If you want to send from a specific address you have to go to the custom send screen.  On that screen it is possible to accidently enter the amount you want to send into the fee box instead of the amount box.

1BBsuJVguxjigS1zjnHYFXw2P4bByttff3

this address?

Wow, I really hope you can get in touch with the miner.

Dear Sockpuppet guy,

Please stop linking to your own fucking fake sites using your shit-ton of sockpuppet accounts. You're free to express your flawed opinion, but stop with all the sockpuppets we're sick of it - we can clearly see it's you. Read up on a user here named Atlas, thanks to him and his sockpuppetry all of us are capable of easily spotting alts.

Sincerely,
Everyone on BitcoinTalk and Reddit who sees through your charade.

This is a really unfortunate mistake... They should have sanity checks for such things in the client OP was using....

 No shit!! Which I why I wonder if block chain could be the liable one here, on top of it making them look bad if they do nothing. Any ideas

BLOCK-FUCKING-CHAIN.INFO


blockchain.info

I really think wallet providers should embed some security measures that warn the sender if he/she pays a fee that is literally multiple orders of magnitude higher than the actual amount that's being transmitted. Apart from that I can't wrap my head around how people keep on paying transaction fees that high by accident!

First you need to select "custom send" instead of the default, then you have to add a fee, write that fee, you end up in the review screen which you can check, and only then you click "ok send".

Sure, they could add an additional warning "wtf incredible fee are you sure", but there already are many places were you can review this, and you have to fail all of them.

Skimming over a review screen you would probably read this:

0.2
0.0001
Total: 0.2001

So you think it looks good, but you don't notice that the transaction and the fee is switched. I didn't even catch on right away when I looked at the screenshot on page 1. This is what made it so dangerous. While there are multiple review screens, they do nothing if you have to look at them every single time for every transaction because you start to ignore them over time.

I agree, even with great care I could absolutely see how this mistake could be made. If the fee is higher than the transaction or over say 10 or even 100 times the recommended amount there should be a very strong warning: WARNING: You have chosen a very high transaction fee, please review your transaction carefully: Fee 0.2BTC

Blockchain is doing a sanity check! They have a big POPUP window propting you to confirm your transaction.

Many clients don't do that!

This is actually gread idea and someone should e-mail it to blockchain.info ASAP!

I'd also be in favour of such sanity checks. I mean it's better for the customer/end user. You'd simply have to check if the fee is larger than the amount you intend to transfer or larger than 10x the suggested fee. But you are right, I guess many people just tend to click  on 'accept' and 'OK', that's also the reason why malware is going so strong.

Ok this is a very good point, if you assume you switched the amount you want to send with the fee.
However you also have to not notice the fiat-currency conversion in the sending screen.

https://i.imgur.com/F6MXCME.png

Sanity checks are nice, but I didn't know OP had this problem at BCI. They indeed have a custom send feature where you really need to fuck up to make a mistake. Even a confrimation popup is in place!

Wow, how does something like this even happen?

apparently OP went to "custom send" (the advanced part of the sending on BCI) and then put in the fee in the field where the amount goes in and vice versa. Then he confirmed the popup once again warning him.

Ok, three issues for OP:

1. Don't use webwallets. I understand you don't really know how to use IT (don't know about imgur 5 years after it's been massively used all over the internet (not like other old farts that still recommend imageshit)). Don't use webwallets and then complain they are badly coded (besides bad security practices). And apparently badly coded math!

2. You spent these outputs:
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61509867/7 (2014-08-02 21:27:35)
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61566827/1 (2014-08-03 21:58:53)
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61630297/0 (2014-08-04 21:24:06)
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61635831/0 (2014-08-04 23:05:35)
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61643245/4 (2014-08-05 01:22:15) -- SPAM dust warning
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/61708500/0 (2014-08-05 22:03:45)

You did not wait long enough before resending these outputs and as such the estimated fees were higher so the transaction is faster. One transaction was a single satoshi. WHY?! Why do you have spam dust in your wallet? Why are you touching fresh dust? This again will scare some bitcoin clients into estimating higher fees. Don't include these spam transactions or you will pay more than without them, it's not worth it, make sure your wallet can control which coins are spent.

3. You actually wanted to send 0.0001 BTC, which is a dust output and will attract fees. Your whole transaction has all the possible signs of high fee requirements. Is this actually the fee you wanted to send, or did the system messed up?

What does this have to do with his problem?
It's totally completely unrelated.

^ thank you. Does block chain have the resources to reimburse me.

As far as I know… this is not my fault and 110% block chain fault.

If this is what is required to properly use bitcoin, I'd recommend selling all bitcoins you own cause this experiment is going no where fast..
g
I am a smarter individual but far from a computer whiz, and this is beyond me. Now sell this to the masses. Good luck… oh and wish me luck ;)

Plus blockchain.info is not a web wallet it is a hybrid wallet.  It is a safe form of web based wallet.  Do not lump it in with shit like inputs.io or other web wallets.

Brutal. Hopefully he'll somehow get his BTC back, but I doubt it...

Tell me again how this is Blockchain.infos fault?

You did confuse the "amount" field with the "fee" field and then CONFIRMED the popup.

so?....

is there any way to contact block chain

@BTCewdquestion Keep us up to date with reply from that pool you have written email to.

This is left as an excercise to the reader.

i.e. if you can't even manage to contact them, I can fully understand how you messed up in the first place (and no, it's no justification)

If i fucked up, and no one helps my oopsie… it makes everything bitcoin look bad. A giant ugly mole on its face that keeps growing.

Don't use advanced features if you can't handle the implications. Don't always blame others. NO, it was not 110% blockchain.infos fault, it was yours.

The only way to get your money back is to contact the miner who mined it. But you are not able to do that obviously.

Is there a way to contact the miner?

Step 1: find out who mined the block
Step 2: Use google

This sounds like you made the “mistake” on purpose in order to try to give Blockchain.info or Bitcoin itself bad reputation. However, that's not the way things work.

Take responsibility for your mistake, contact the miner. If they are a decent human being (I think most miners are) you'll probably get it returned.

Well ... it will always the problem with "virtual" wallet (mtgox ?).
That why bitcoin core exist, too... not only for server and node features but for wallet managment, too.

OKay ...  ;D

But Blockchain.info is no hosted wallet. It is a browserside wallet that has a encrypted backup hosted on their server. Without access to your keys they can't really scam you, also it is very powerful if you know what you do!

BTW: BTC core doesn't do sanity checks too if you use coincontrol ;) , so standard core = standard BCI sending!

Things like this incident make me really wonder whether people would actually want to use Bitcoin. There's no one you can call or contact if you screwed up. I think people like someone to look over their shoulder and pay attention that they don't screw up or at least that the banks can still revert the transaction.

you have less option to make mistake, too.
but you have point, right.

I hope you will get the BTC back.  :)

All I can really say for you is.... ouch. That's a hard hit.

Yeah, he has to try and contact the miner/pool that mined the respective block. I guess there really have been instances where they actually did pay the transaction fee back! But then again, 0.2 BTC isn't that much and I don't know if they bother. But it could be positive PR for them.

Truth is, no bitcoin wallet is truly noobproof. While some exchanges make buying a bitcoin really easy, I can't think of a single wallet that explains to it's users how to use it.

Well,if they would return the 0.2 back they would get some good PR for sure. :)

I agree with you,users need to learn how to use bitcoin.I think there are guides on internet,google is your friend.  ;)

Yeah sure, but 0.2 BTC aren't exactly enough to get on the front page of /r/bitcoin for example. The guy who send 800 BTC to Gox got there of course, and when Gox's attorneys actually returned those BTC it made another round. But 0.2 BTC... meh...

damnit there goes .2 btc

This is not proper use of bitcoin. I actually listed 3 reasons (web wallet, spam tx control, transaction speed) why it was not a normal thing to do (plus it seems that the user may have been at fault somehow).

And yes, it appears that because of experimental software and lack of research and experience from the regular user, 120 USD have been lost. We feel bad about that, but if everyone wants control of their money then they have to learn how to do it cheaper than a bank.

 ;D not a real problem ... you loose already 50 USD per year for a plastic credit card  ::)

I just noticed something else: https://blockchain.info/tx/eb4dfa9e3f091b550701784b7bd7945a7344d99bf0ab20c7bac19239af034f67

Total Output   0.20575408 BTC

Why are there 6 inputs for a single 0.0001 BTC output? ANY of the inputs had enough to send this sum and the fee!

Why did the transaction include ALL inputs, especially since the older inputs had sufficient funds.

If the fee needed to be paid, still that requires the 0.20040716 BTC input and another one. Lets assume that OP borked up the transaction and switched the fee with the send. You need to use inputs worth 0.2001 BTC. That means the 0.20040716 input and absolutely any other except the spam dust one. Why are all inputs included in this transaction if they are not needed? Also the change is sent to one of the input addresses...

To do that he would have to mark all those input addresses so that BCI would make such a transaction, then put a "New" address as change.

Since there's an apparent dichotomy forming in this thread, let me say that I think that, *yes*, users should be responsible with their money and should research the heck out of BTC before using it, but I also think that, *yes*, it's an obvious problem that there isn't an idiot-proof wallet (figuratively speaking; I'm not calling the OP an idiot).

Bitcoin and its philosophical goodness won't make a bit of difference if it isn't adopted, and marketing to a mass audience obviously makes the chances of adoption more likely.  It also doesn't really matter in the context of marketing that Bitcoin is decentralized.  Individuals and teams of BTC entrepreneurs need to advertise the products and services they create if they don't want to go bankrupt quickly, and among these products and services are both native and hosted wallets.  If you want people using your wallets, those people need to know how to use them or they're going to get frustrated and lose interest quickly.

It doesn't do a lot of good to advertise Bitcoin as the greatest thing ever when users can't intuitively use even a basic BTC wallet.  I'm actually surprised that in 5 years there hasn't really been a user friendly wallet -- the closest I've found is the Blockchain phone app and it's integrated QR scanner, but it's slightly annoying going around copying and pasting BTC addresses with a smartphone if they aren't already in my address book.  Some extinct BTC services like Flexcoin tried addressing some of the basic issues (e.g. it's been five years and BTC addresses still look insane).  Of course, Flexcoin sucked in that it was hosted and eventually hacked or something, but at least you could create a simple address name like 'the joint' and people would be able to send you money based upon that.

On the other hand, Bitcoin is still a beta project.   Didn't Gavin say something a long time ago about not releasing an alpha version until grandma could use it and recover her BTC in the event that her PC caught on fire...or something?  In any case, Bitcoin is in a weird spot, and I think the current market infrastructure (which is still very immature) is being tested by the adoption rate.  More mature infrastructure will come with time, and there will be eventually be wallets that can instantly be used and understood by anyone who has ever used online banking.  But really, I hope devs start focusing more on building a wallet that coddles its users.  It seems like a priority.

Just so I won't be accused of complaining without contributing anything useful, here's a possible feature I thought of which could be integrated into a wallet to help ensure its users know how to operate it:

Create a short tutorial for the user the first time a client is run.  This tutorial would force the user into completing a series of common tasks on a virtual client with a fake BTC balance before they are allowed free reign to send and receive BTC with a real client.  These tasks could include things like sending some of that fake BTC to a fake BTC address, creating receiving addresses and labeling them, adding send addresses and labeling them, changing transaction fees, and maybe even more advanced things like retrieving and adding to your address book the full string of a BTC address when provided with only the firstbits of said address.  Once the user has successfully navigated through each task, the real client could be unlocked and the user now has little choice but to blame himself in the event of an error.

Well, in that case it seems the software has been 'forced', or told to include those outputs by setting the transaction fee to such a high level. The BTC aren't lost though, they only belong to someone else :) Or rather a group of miners, I guess...

i dont understand how to find the block, the miner, and then contacting them assuming i acquire all this info

ok look i help you.

This is the transaction https://blockchain.info/tx/eb4dfa9e3f091b550701784b7bd7945a7344d99bf0ab20c7bac19239af034f67
this is the block https://blockchain.info/de/block-index/454469
this is the guy that mined it: https://blockchain.info/de/blocks/Unknown%20with%201AcAj9p%20Address
now you need to google for this address  https://blockchain.info/de/address/1AcAj9p6zJn4xLXdvmdiuPCtY7YkBPTAJo

In another thread someone claimed that address was owned by Bitfury.  Here is the reference to a the original post, still not finding the original post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665754.msg7535958#msg7535958

I am not sure how that was determined. You should ask DubFX how he got that information.

I appreciate your help, but that does not help me get his contact info. and if it does i don't know how to find it

Man! That's very kind.  Miners will appreciate that.

It was from a thread i googled here and one user that claimed it's bitfury address saying that someone other pointed it out in another thread. That's how i got it.

For those that don't read the damn thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665754.msg7535958#msg7535958

Is the post that references another post, as yet not found, where someone said it is Bitfury.

Just contact bitfury and ask them ;)

What do i do from here. this make no sense with every link i click on, even once translated to english

Well BTCewdquestion should send them email anyway just to check it out. I am sure they will respond positively if he sends them all the evidences and links posted in here. Maybe he should link them this thread as well.

Here is the link to the original post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=627111.msg7361585#msg7361585

But it seems that that user just thinks it...

I thought you already sent an email to Bitfury.  Did you or did you not send them an email?  Someone up thread gave you their contact email, right?

I don't know anything anymore, I just hope BTCewdquestion has sent email to Bitfury. He should wait for reply and then we will see how could we help him.

So were you meaning to send 0.2 or 0.0001 BTC in that transaction?? Many have asked and you haven't clarified. Why would you be sending 0.0001 BTC? Testing it out or learning? Thats about 5 cents. From the info we've seen, it looks like you mixed up the amount and the mining fee. 0.0001 should be the fee and you were trying to send 0.2 BTC?

Please clarify so we can further try to help

 

He mixed up Fee and sending amount. 0.2 BTC sent with 0.0001 Fee. He put both in the wrong field on BCI.

That was an expensive mistake...

Thats what we assume he did. According to the screenshot i guess thats the proof but he says he didn't enter the 0.2 fee... But he still blames blackchain.info? 

Sure he does blame BCI. He also blamed Bitcoin as a whole and the community. In no post did he say thank you for the help here or implied he was responsible.

sending .2 btc

fee .0001

email sent hours ago

OK so you for sure mixed the numbers up when entering them into the fields. That sucks and i am sorry you lost your BTC but i doubt you will get it back. Your fault 100% and not block chain.info. This is the BIG problem with current wallets. Lack of easy use, and too many options for the newer users. We need super simple wallet options before this will ever be mass adopted. You can try emailing the miner if you can find them... thats your only option i think.

My apologies, Thank you guys very much for all the support. I really do appreciate. In the heat of the moment, thankfulness want not at the forefront of my mind. Again thank you guys, all of you, very much.  You are all greatly appreciated.


This was an AM transfer just waking, i might not have been paying close attention.. oops

If you can't take the info in that post, along with all the advice given in this thread and find something as simple as contact info then you really should not be involved in BTC, be on the internet or even a computer connected to the internet.

I wish i had a farm with goats n chickens and wood fire, every day. I don't trust technology and I do not necessarily feel as if a life devoted to technology is important. I do my best to stay ahead of the curb as much as possible. I sent the Email.

Damn some of you are pretentious assholes when it comes to tech know-how.

Do you know how to sign a message proving that you actually own the BTC Address that accidentally sent the .2 BTC transaction fee?  If you are able to track down the miner, I'm sure they will expect you to do this.

if i can track down the miner… what is that going to take. and no i do not exactly know what you mean by sign a message

Ok here is what you do. When those guys ask you to prove that you own those address, you do the following:

Receive Money -> Addresses (active) -> Actions -> Sign message

There you input a personal text and sign it, the result of that process you can give to the miner.

and how do i track down miner and get them to communicate back to me?

Have you contacted coinkite with a signed message as prove that you sent the transaction? That is pretty much all you can do at that point.

heres a reply from Blockchain, PROPS to them for speediness… But the response was more or less expected and on par.

    

Mandrik (Blockchain)

Aug 06 21:04

Hello, *********. I'm sorry to hear of this trouble, but the bitcoin network is designed to make chargebacks impossible. Blockchain.info never has access or control of your bitcoins in any way, which means you have 100% complete control over your own bitcoins. This means we have no power to reverse a transaction, or transaction fee, for you.

who is or are coinkite and who is bitfury?

Oh sorry, I meant bitfury. Did you contact them? (they are a mining farm)

I'm sorry to hear of your mistake. But you have to calm down, and learn a bit, because people are trying to help you.

The 0.2 fee went to a mining pool that mined the block your transaction was included in. However they don't make their identity public - so that's why people are telling you try Bitfury or email someone else.

The mining pools are not obligated to do anything, but I have seen them send a refund for erroneous large tx fees in the past. Way larger than 0.2 BTC.  

You should drop them a line, let them know you made an error and see what happens.

Bottom line: you need to accept more responsibility for your funds if you are going to use bitcoin.

What, 0.2 fee. i bet it's confirmed in instant  ;D
i think you wrong set fee size, 0.0001 - 0.0005 is enough

You should be careful next time. i think it's very hard to get 0.2 back

No.
Again.

It's totally unrelated.
Stop spreading FUD.

Did you OP get reply from BitFury already?

No, he's just trolling you.
He came here, got loads of advices, did nothing.
If he walks like a troll and talks like a troll... I'd say it's a troll.

I think he claimed that he sent them e-mail, no?

I wanna say nice try, but not even that.

He said that he has sent email to Bitfury and now we are waiting. I hope they will reply to him and that he will tell us what's the situation.

It is useless writing such mails to Bitfury. This has happened to several people, and even here in bitcointalk there are several threads of this type. Some of them had written to organizations such as BitFury, but as far as I know, none of them have ever got any money back.

From what i've seen the people mostly got their money back, but i've only heard about bigger ammounts like 10s-100s of coins.

i think, it must 0.2mbtc. is as hard to believe

This page is filled with people posting without reading the fucking thread first.  Yes, he sent an email to the miner. Yes, he got a response.  Now read the thread before posting the same shit over and over.

EDIT… Yes i sent the email to the miner. NO i have not received a response of any kind. This was last night before bed. And still nothing.

And FYI the word TROLL is getting very old, if you do not like people posting on forums then go play in the dirt… SOB's

And thank you for those who 'get it'

I am really sorry this happened to you. We all make a few mistakes when we are new to bit coin. These lessons get expensive for sure but we tend to not make the same ones twice.

Well, you should read this thread again because he didn't get any response yet from Bitfury.

I almost made the same mistake using blockchain.info when sending a custom payment, the layout isn't very clear.  It was obvious when i double checked but if I hadn't I could have done exactly same thing.

Take a look at what I'm talking about, in the custom send tab, the fee box is a lot more central than the amount box, I personally would have had them the other way around, more clarity is needed!!!

Something almost identical to that of OP's situation has happened before. In May 2014, someone accidentally reversed the amount and transaction fee fields while sending from a Blockchain.info wallet. He ended up sending 0.0003 BTC with a fee of 2.8 BTC:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=602152.0

The pool that mined the block which contained that fee was GHash.IO. After contacting them, he was able to get a full refund. So whether or not OP can get his 0.2 BTC back depends on identifying the pool which mined it and asking them for a refund.


BitFury is a mining farm. Coinkite makes Bitcoin payment equipment. I don't think the two are related.


I believe he did send a email to BitFury but I'm not sure if the mining pool that mined that block is indeed them since Blockchain.info says that someone or something called "Unknown with 1AcAj9p Address" mined that block. He is still waiting for a response from BitFury.

He did send an email to Blockchain.info however and received a reply (see further up the thread), but since Bitcoin transactions and their associated fees are irreversible, it's not like they can do anything about it.

your0.2btc is lost for sure.sent to miners.

Not really, I beleive every big fee mistake was given back if it was possible to identify the miner.

This is a perfect example of the kind of crap posts that got under my skin this morning.  There were just so many to wade through this morning in this specific thread, all with nothing to contribute and they had obviously not read the thread.  Sorry I went off all tilted like that.  I am much calmer now that I have had my morning coffee :)

What does it do if you put the fee in where you should put the transfer amount and put the transfer amount in where you should put the fee?

Please try it and report back what happens.  Thanks!

Sadly most threads work like this, look at the Lazlo's pizza thread, or at the "EU robbed me 700k€" thread.

Did you accidentally set the transaction fee to high or was it auto set to that (were you even able to see what the fee was set to before sending)? Were you using the "advanced" feature of their new phone application?

i think thats not will give effect anything . fee high not 0.2 just 0.001
he lost something.

He used the BCI web wallet and went to the advanced send section. There he confused the fee and the amount field.

There are ways to customize the fee in electrum.

Point is: OP went in to the advanced sending mode and made a mistake.

Yeah that's what I figured. People shouldn't be using the advanced tab unless they know what they are doing, guess it's a good thing its turned off by default.

I do feel bad for you, as this was an honest mistake, but you need to recognize that it's YOUR mistake. You take no responsibility for your mistake. This is the equivalent of shooting someone and say it's the gun's fault. Stop playing the blame game. Then you resort to begging for everyone to chip in to help cover your loss, like it's the community's responsibility to cover for you. Stop with the attitude of entitlement. Lastly, people ARE trying to help you, as you can see from this thread. EVERYTHING related to bitcoin looks bad because of your one incidence? You're not that important.

Use the standard Qt client. You can't change the fee amount unless you actively look for the setting.

I understand you completely. I am the same way :D

Btw OP is aware that it was his mistake and he is now waiting for reply from Bitfury. He nicely asked to send him that fee back and it doesn't mean that he lost it all. Bitfury will probably return him his 0.2 BTC and he will learn a lesson.

Lol! I stopped reading right there! If you aren't smart enough to be using Bitcoin to buy your drugs online, then please stop! Blaming Bitcoin, or Blockchain for your fuck up is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! YOU are the one who typed in a box that you shouldn't even have been in! Suck it up and move on and learn from your mistakes!

Only if they mined that block. It was not confirmed that they did. Only hearsay and somebody "thinking" this was their address.

maybe you download malicious ffile and you got monitoring of people  .
check your pc . sorry for your loss . fee never 0.20

Don't you guys think it is the best practice to just leave the fee sets to default on all clients?   The fee is so small anyway, you don't even really notice it...

Is Bitfury GigaVPS? If so maybe you can try a PM to him on here or something.

All true, and very well said.

Same happens with blockchain.info.

I mean if he really went to such great length as to set the transaction fee himself in an advanced dialog, it really is his own fault, I guess. I do get people who say that Bitcoin isn't ready for the mass market and that things are still too complicated. But if people really use advanced features against advice and then mess things up, well... their fault I guess :(

GigaVPS is a buddy of mine.  I already talked to him.  Here is what he said:

YES.

Unless you really understand exactly what you are doing, exacly how the fee structure works, etc.

So what is the recommended transaction fee to input manually to guarantee this does not happen? This is making me scared to make transactions now.

Most wallets will calculate the proper fee for you.  What wallet are you using that you have to enter it manually?

You should have read whole thread. He already apologized for his behaviour and is realising that it was his mistake and he is aware that people here are trying to help him :)


That's fact by default :)

The OP probably either had a setting wrong on QT or made a typo when creating a custom transaction on blockchain.info. I have accidentally paid .001 instead of an .0001 fee a couple of times using custom send :/

I'm sorry for your loss. I'm also sorry for some of the dickish comments directed towards you here.
I can empathize with how frustrated you must be feeling. But, there are a few things you need to be aware here:

(i) No one will compensate your loss
(ii) There is no one you can 'report' this to

With that said, some have advised you to get in touch with Bitfury (which you have), because of a vague comment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=627111.msg7361585#msg7361585) about the miner's address made by a member seven weeks ago.
However, I am not fully convinced the miner is associated with Bitfury.

I would suggest that you also write to Ghash, because the address was associated with the company at one time. Perhaps they can be of further assistance.

Good luck.

This is true.

I would highly doubt that anyone would want to give you donations for making this kind of mistake. I think you should consider this to be "tuition" for the "school of bitcoin"

Can you guys please help me locate who mined that block. I fucked up… probably… I definitely learned a lesson here. Its by far one of the cheapest lessons i have learned in my life. try losing a half million $. I am still trying to withdraw about .5 btc from BTC-e but can't get a response from anyone there, again any assistance would be nice in helping to contact these people.

If I am able to get this btc back, bitcoin being in Beta, this would be pretty cool to see how effective of a financial system Bitcoin may perhaps become one day.

if anyone  were to be so kind and help mitigate my loss via crowd sourcing it would be much appreciated.. I know I have helped others when they were few dollars short via btc

LOL crowd funding.. ur a funny guy

This place is like india… I'm at the end of the line, time to take what i can and cut my losses.. oh ya..


19E8Jx1adTUbonp3Y3RAGXgkDjkiW32Cif


 ;) ;) ;)

0.0001 gets me very high priority on most of my transactions. If they were higher value Tx, I would include more of a fee.

I use BC.I quite a bit and have not had the OP's problem. However, I read a similar thread several months ago that described a similar issue. I have paid VERY close attention since then.

This was likely OP error all the way. If the OP can track the miner down, I'm certain he will get a refund. We bitcoiners are like that.

A few years ago I lost over 10000 BTC to a scammer.  If anyone would like to send a few hundred my way I would really appreciate it.  If only 100 people each send me 100 BTC it would be made whole.  Thanks!

Edit: that may be asking for too much, how about 1000 people each send me 10 BTC...

Crowd funding is typically funds to kickstart a project. What you're doing is begging. WTF have you done for the community, and what projects have you contributed in? I'm quite baffled by this sense of entitlement.




Cut your losses, at the expenses of others, when it was YOUR fault. Wow you selfish fuck. I hope you don't recover your 0.2 btc.

If anyone is thinking about donating, please direct your funds to Sean's Outpost instead, where these people are actually in need for basic necessities, and something that they didn't cause to themselves.

1M72Sfpbz1BPpXFHz9m3CdqATR44Jvaydd
http://seansoutpost.wordpress.com/

Hey OP, if it makes you feel any better, I filled in your address instead of mine at DrawBTC today for a chance to win 6,000 satoshis. Unfortunately, I didn't win. :(

Actually, he directed "dickish" comments towards anyone else, formerly.

And he also apologized, and explained himself.
Also, please do not edit my post when quoting me.

???

giving a proper and precise context to what you are answering is the basis of a good communication.
Of course I will edit the post, in order to show exactly what I'm answering to, and removing unnecessary parts.

I'm sure that tomorrow we will face the so-called "zero fee". To the Moon!

Just so you guys can see where this mistake was made....   I just think the layout is wrong..

Why take a new line for miners fee but put the amount to send (the most important bit imo) over on the right like that.

https://i.imgur.com/vBgiogU.png
http://imgur.com/vBgiogU (http://imgur.com/vBgiogU)

Especially if someone doesn't speak English and they are guessing the fields. Often we use Chinese exchange where we can't read anything but we just guess what the fields are when we are using it.

Anyone know what is the biggest fee so far sent to miners?
Blockchain should add a fixed fee according to amount you want to send.
 

Yes exactly you already gave your answer.

You have set the transaction fee to 0.2 btc that resulted you paying 0.2 btc fee

Well, sorry, but that's definitely no excuse...

They already do this.

Wow, I find it hard to believe that you have 227 posts and nobody has ever edited your post in order to answer part of it, like this.

You are new so I will tell you this is standard operating proceedure around here - nothing to get upset about.  I almost always cut down the post to just the part I am responding to, like this.

This may not be the largest fee ever sent but it was $23,638 at the time of the transaction and is $117,712 in today's BTC:

https://blockchain.info/tx/4ed20e0768124bc67dc684d57941be1482ccdaa45dadb64be12afba8c8554537

back to searching for the miner, no reply from bit fury. Ghash got back to me ASAP and said it wasn't their block..:

 I would personally post a thread on the forums. As the only information is the address the reward was sent to, you must locate the owner of that address. This will be difficult.

Best Regards,
Leonard
CEX.IO Support

without getting into a pissing match… on a computer……. some of you are assholes. and just because I am calling you an asshole does not make me one.

The rest of you, thank you for your support and words of wisdom. I do have to say after my initial bitcoin moment of learning and realizing what it is, i can not say i am very fond of it. Over time it will play out, I'm not a fan of bitcoin, but this whole federal reserve back banking institution dollar thing i dislike more… The ugly truth; there is no holy grail.

Well, but if it wasn't ghash then it's really probably bitfury, try searching another contact on them online maybe?

I think the sad truth here is that Bitfury probably does own that address but does not want to admit to it.  If your fee had landed in a block mined by a well know above-the-boards pool then you would probably already have it back.  You were unlucky in that your fee happened to land in a block mined by someone who wants to remain anon.

You don't need to admit it to pay it back, just let some time pass and simply pay back silently.

Why would they do it if they can't even answer his e-mail?

Was it pirate? I'm guessing it was pirate...

How about 100000 people send you 0.1 BTC instead? We can do a televised event where people call in their donations and everything. :P

BurtW said up thread that he already contacted GigaVPS and that even if it is Bitfury related it's still not known exactly who owns the address. So unless someone wants to out their 8 million dollar currently anonymous bitcoin holdings to give someone back their 0.2 BTC mistake, you're very likely out of luck here.

^^ Not a miner so I'm not certain about this but I thought all the pools held their miners details for security purposes? Not that this is one but I'm just saying they SHOULD know who's address it is.

They could remain anon and just send it back to his original address - everyone knows his original address from the transaction.  Getting the money back would not prove/disprove it is Bitfury.

If the owner is reading this they might just do that.

holy shit, 11 pages for 0.2 BTC? it was your own mistake, just take the loss and learn from it. I have used BCI for 3 years and thousands of transactions, I never put the wrong fee. So that says something about how "smart" you are (since you claimed you are a "smart" person).

If there's one criticism I have of blockchain.info it's that you have to manually input the fee so I can see how this could happen. It should be autofilled with the suggested amount based on what transaction you're attempting to send.

uh No you don't, in the BCI's default quick send mode, the appropriate fee is auto filled, you can't even edit it.

Now when you do want to edit the fee, you could go to custom send mode, which does allow you edit the fee, but you don't have to. If you just leave the fee blank, it automatically uses 0 fee, and if your coins are not qualified for 0 fee, BCI will warn you.

Oh, really? I think I must've been using the custom send then. That's good then. I'll try do that next time  :D.

Well basically every wallet in existence does exactly that. The only thing that could still be implemented in all the major wallets would be a warning that pops up when you type in a transaction fee that is unreasonably high or even degrees of magnitudes above the actually transmitted BTC amount!

I've never heard of a pool holding anyone's details and I don't think the address that got this tx fee is a pool anyhow.

What exactly do you mean by 'details'? It depends on what we are trying to figure out. It is relatively simple to find out which pool mined the block in question. Well, at least if it is a known address. Then you could go and ask the pool for a refund, complete with a signed message that proves you actually own the sending address. The rest is up to the pool operator and the pool's terms and conditions!

Dude...it is 0.2BTC.  118.9USD.  Get a job, make the money back, and get on with your life.

oh it was very unusual, if they are not aware of the use fee?

is that true? or just a mere false?

Seems like true and it was OP's mistake.

Yeah most people waste 10 times more time on lost money than they would have with earning that money back...

There is currently a thread with >100 posts, where a girl has 1 "ONE" USD stuck.... hahaha

What if he is from some third world country and 120$ is huge amount to earn? I would just give up on my BTC if this kind of mistake happens to me.

If it was, he'd better read before clicking buttons.

You gotta be kidding me!!!!??? Where's this thread? :D I mean it's a sad thing, but really it isn't that much money, people, don't waste your time worrying about the money, but rather work in order to earn it back or spend your times with something nice!

I want to see that thread,too.  :P

Btw OP,money you lost isn't such big it's easy to make it back with a job. :)

Lol, you've nailed it :D

Aww man, I'm so sorry reading that!! Things can be confusing in advanced settings, yeah... Better just stick to the regular send-feature! I once almost screwed up with those long Bitcoin addresses. Mixed up a few numbers or letters. It was already pretty late and I was out partying!

12 pages for 0.2 BTC?.......
 :o

I think that it is worth. I don't find that amount so small. If you do send some to me ;)

One day... someone will look at this like they do at the 100 000 BTC pizza and direct negative attributes your way ;)

I wonder why that post just so happened to get all that extra attention. :P  ::)

FYI:  Bitcoin addresses have a built in "checksum" so if you type any digit incorrectly it will not be accepted as a valid Bitcoin address.  You would have to change and swap the letters and digits in a very non trivial way in order to accidently create another valid address - for all practical purposes it is impossible.  If you do manage to be lucky enough to mistype an address in such a way as to create a different valid address then you are so lucky you should be playing the lotto every chance you get.

The OP did not send funds to an invalid address, he gave way to much of a fee to the miner that confirmed his TX.

It is really not possible in practice to mess up typing a BTC address. Your wallet program would likely not allow it, as if you make a typo it would most likely show up as being an invalid address. What could happen, and does somewhat frequently happen is you could copy the incorrect address to send the funds to. This is a similar but different problem that the OP had, as the OP setup the TX so too big of a fee would be given to the miners.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=724422.new#new

That girl is complaining for hours about her  stuck 1 USD :D

The problem with this is that most transactions will eventually get confirmed within 24 hours even without a fee. If you are sending what most would consider to be dust and/or Blockchain spam then no it probably won't but if you are sending a tx that is actually involved in commerce the it probably will. Commerce Tx usually have exactly two outputs (one for the the person you are sending to and one chance address).

Some transactions will also not get confirmed in the next block that is found even with the recommend TX fee. If you were to use a larger fee then the chances the TX will be confirmed in the very next block are much larger.

I think the OP's situation is an important lesson of the importance of attention to detail when using BTC.

Yeah it's those little things that people who know Bitcoin and know how to use it don't get. The normal person on the street wants something to be easy and safe. If it was possible to pay more than you intended to pay with your Credit Card, people would freak out as well!

Sure, but BTC is more like cash. Irreversible.

if you drop a stack of 100$ notes when going out, they are gone.

If you pay someone too much and he is not cooperative, the money is gone.

I don't see the harm, but yes, everything could be more user friendly!

Yeah, sure. But that's exactly the thing. People want the security that Credit Cards offer them. I think they also still just have to learn to be more careful when it comes to Bitcoin. They shouldn't believe everyone and just send BTC to some address.

But the extra service that CC offer can just be offered using a service provider. In the background you could still use BTC.

Look at XAPO for example. Sure they fucked up by having such high fees, but that model is basically everything you said is missing from BTC.

i dont understand how to find the block, the miner, and then contacting them assuming i acquire all this info

There is no real way to find the miner. The miner in question sent the blockreward to an "unknown" address so no one really knows which pool the block was mined on; it was probably someone who was solo mining with a lot of hashpower.

This address is very famous, as it has a big chunk of the network hash. The guesses in the forum are pretty educated and if OP does contact them and proves he is holder of the private key, there is a good chance he gets it back!

It has a small percentage of the hashrate when compared to most pools. AFAIK no one really knows the identity behind the address.

I don't think it is quite famous enough so that most people know who it belongs to. If you look on blockchain.info it says "unknown ...address" so they don't really know who it belongs to.

This is a stretch but the OP could send a .0001 TX to the address with a message asking the owner of the address to contact him, it is a long should and the OP would likely get a lot of spam but IMO it is worth a shot.

It has 6% now and had around that rate for weeks now (even months if the found links are correct)

Even a 5% or a 6% hashrate is pretty small. The fact that they are essentially solo mining likely means that they wish to remain anon and value their privacy. I would say that they are likely mining for financial reasons as opposed to an interest in BTC or wanting to help the network. Looking at the address history I do see some inputs that are from the ghash mining address so it is possible that they are mining on ghash as well. The OP could contact ghash to see if they can try to get contact info for the address, but I think that would be a long shot at best as ghash also values privacy.

If it is unknown, it's most likely ASICMiner that mined the block. They're currently ramping up tens of PH/s new hashing power in order to capture 20% of the total network! I think they're solo-mining on secret new addresses, therefore we don't know that it's them by now. He should try and contact baked cat.

I've sort of let it go for now, once i get another few minutes to follow up on this mistake of mine I will, but like others said, i could earn it back faster than tracking it down. realistically i have enough time to earn it back and track it down MotherF*krs!!! Sry its late..

This thread is fascinating, I am shocked at the response it has received.

I have contacted ghash, they responded with a "we dont know, sorry, wish we could help you further but we cant good luck"

as for bitfury, still no response.

As for others I have yet to contact.

And can someone elaborate a bit more on how I send a small tx with a message to the miner who mined that block... My understanding of bitcoin says that is nearly impossible but I am no expert..

I will say this, it would be cool as heck if i got it back, but I have lost and made hundreds of thousands of dollars in my life, so this is just one more little lesson a long the way.

Thank you guys for such an overwhelming response...

Now if any of you would like to help a lost cause.... 19E8Jx1adTUbonp3Y3RAGXgkDjkiW32Cif   ;) ;) ;) ;)

I doubt it will do you any good, but please post here just in case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=733875.0

This is one of the more interesting threads on this board.   This shows how mining can be extra profitable at times :)

Yep compared to pools but still enought % of blocks and hash to become multi-milionare.

It's not known who controls it so it's probably meant to be as anonymous as they can be. Revealing their identity to give someone's 0.2 back is probably not going to happen.

Well it may really be bitfurys one but yep they want it anonymous if they don't answer.

The receiver still got those 0.2 but you paid 0.2 from elesewhere to make it go through. That sucks man sorry.

No, the receiver got 0.0001. The amount that was supposed to be the fee.

This one I could actually understand and support her on, because it was not her fault, it is a design problem, and one that I will support fixing. I don't think her post was about $1, but fixing a problem that potentially could cost other users more money/time wasted.

You are probably right on this. They will likely not risk leaking who they are just to give someone .2 BTC when they have thousands of BTC in there wallet. There is a good chance that they even have some automated program that controls the wallet and they would not recognize the address if they saw it.

.2 fee, nothing you can do about it, mistakes happen. I had a friend receive 0.02 rain and freak out, to deposit it with a 0.02 fee.

Shit happens.

What in the world dude? This is so, wow, oh no.

Any news from OP?

Interesting read in here ;)

Jeez, I felt bad when I accidently set the fee to 0.0005 instead of 0.0002. This man just paid a 0.2BTC transaction fee. Sorry man. :/

The best thing to do right now is the go outside and take a walk in the park, haha I honestly would be so pissed.

Forget it and everything will be fine :)

Or maybe be more careful when sending such amounts of money. You double check the amount you give in cash to a register too right?

I've sent .4 BTC to the wrong address before. If you don't think about it it's not a big deal. Everyone makes mistakes, oh well.

Sure it happens. But I still think that the irreversable nature of BTC is a huge advantage, not a disadvantage as people are trying to make it out to be!

damn sorry man that sucks.

No need to send a tx, just sign a message from your client. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S88ciN9DsRk


edit: if you mean sending a message embedded in a tx: http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html (scroll down for How to) or http://www.cryptograffiti.info/#about

That doesn't necessarily mean they will read it though.

I think it's a boy.

Haha, another guy that gets off pretenting to be a girl :D

Did he really sign as Scott but has name of BitcoinGirl? Wow haven't seen this stupidity in my life ever ;D   

Maybe he planned to use the name to get free things on the internet (many people do that) but forget in the heat of the moment ;)

bitcointalk.org, where all the men are real men and all the women are actually men.

You have a lot of small transactions? Maybe?

I really hate the fees  ;D

You did not read a single post in this thread before posting.  Am I right?  That is very rude.  Listen before you talk or you just look like an idiot.

Too late for that. However, 15 pages to find out what happened, is a bit much.

Don't have to read the whole thread when joining a thread. Usually just read the first two and the last two pages is enough.

Page 2 barely confirmed :)

True.
However, it's not like anyone is forced to post.
He can just, you know, not post?

0.2 BTC fee, how it happened? you did something wrong or you just send and it was 0.2 tran fee?

Holy crap. Why would your transaction fee to 0.2 btc? Did you accidentally set it that way or something?

Two more rude boys.

Lol. I just paid 0.001 as a fee and I thought I was having a bad day. :)

I just put them all into the ignore list.

There should be a ignore filter, where everyone who doesn't have Full Member status or is whitelisted can be ignored.

I meant to do a similar thing with the reputation, but I couldn't find the time to do that.

I think the most effective way to do this would be to send via blockchain.info and include a public message. It can only be seen on blockchain.info but most people use their block explorer and other ways are difficult to read unless you really know what you are doing.

The newbie jail worked fine I thought.

Does the newbie jail still exist?

I thought I saw a few newbies with 1 or 2 posts outside of the beginners forum.

It's been gone a while, unfortunately. Instead of having useless posts in a single forum section, we now have them everywhere.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423995.0

Yes, I'd like it back. But with a whitelisting option that costs 0.01 BTC ~