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This is not meant to be an offensive post, I am genuinely curious as to why Africa is so far behind the rest of the world.

The Roman Empire had running water, amenities, reliable shelter and clothing for its entire populace 2,000 years ago. 2,000 FRIGGIN YEARS AGO. They created art, sculptures, vast architecture using 2,000 YEAR OLD technology yet if you go to a random area in Africa, it is plagued by poverty, destitution and just overall squalor.

Why is Africa 2000+ years behind the rest of the world and what can be done to correct this??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism)

my comment is about Rome, 1. the south shore is Africa too, thus far Africa enjoyed the wonders and squalors of Rome. 2. Rome collapsed, the o of life.

and personally there is no Africa, but Individuals, as such I agree some are so stuck that only swording is useful... other not. Maybe because the wonders of the Empire aren't collective but individual in nature. That in collectivizing defense (Individuals working together with a common goal (defeat the foreign and domestic enemies)) at a scale never seen before, it was possible to say fuck to anyone wanting trouble and be able to grow and prosper in peace, until said prosperity was destroyed by intellectual laziness, fictions and fallacies.

But the last 5000 years were pretty hard on the People the most integrated to their environments... that has costs, I want a bath.

Before the racists plague this thread with their bullshit, as has already been said the African continent has been deliberately kept in a primitive state by more advanced nations, no one can say for sure why but to me the most obvious answer would be resources.

Africa is still after all this time a resource rich continent, even if the Africans didn't unite but somehow managed to learn to fend for themselves and get just as advanced as the rest of the world that would mean bad news for other countries because they could no longer take advantage of their poverty and buy up their resources cheap.

While I won't claim any conspiracy theory in regards to aids and ebola on that continent I do agree that colonialism is most likely the biggest cause of their problems, we've often seen how much empire building can fuck up a country and the Africans have had to deal with that shit for hundreds of years.

First of all, your premise is mistaken and in error.  By taking the most advanced civilization of 2000 years ago, not "the average".  Even with that comparison, Africa has cars, mobile phones, computers, which Rome did not.

Because of their geographical location ?
Their land always dry and almost drought every season

There are a variety of reasons. Many of the reasons have to do with the fact that there are a reasonable number of high IQ people in America and Europe who managed to improve things... for money, of course. Also, there is a high emotional IQ among many of the people of Africa while there is a lower intellectual IQ, which causes all kinds of turmoil for them. If you want to see validation for this, search the archives of http://www.amren.com/ about 15 years back.

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Most of the countries are run by dictators.

When your government allows you almost zero freedom, you will not produce.

The country that has improved the most since their dictatorship fell is Somalia. While not a powerhouse compared to 1st world countries, it is a vast improvement from its dictatorship days.

Again. Africa is a continent. A continent that was divided by the powers from the Old Europe. Of course people were already fighting before the Europeans came, like anywhere else.
The same way you say "Africa", the Old Europe saw "black people", not 100s of specific ethnic groups with different cultures and territories. Rwanda is a perfect example of what happened when you do a social experiment on such scale.

Belgium became a very very rich country thanks to... Africa


Congo Free State (1885–1908)[edit]
Main article: Congo Free State





Colonial rule in the Congo began in the late 19th century. King Leopold II of Belgium, frustrated by his nation's lack of international power and prestige, tried to persuade the government to support colonial expansion around the then-largely unexplored Congo Basin. Their ambivalence resulted in Leopold's creating a colony on his own account. With support from a number of Western countries, who viewed Leopold as a useful buffer between rival colonial powers on the Continent, Leopold achieved international recognition for a personal colony, the Congo Free State, in 1885.[2]

The Free State government exploited the Congo for its natural resources, first ivory and later rubber which was becoming a valuable commodity. With the support of the colonial military, the Force Publique, the territory was divided into private concessions. The Anglo-Belgian India Rubber Company (ABIR), among others, used force and brutality to extract profit from the territory. The regime in the Congo was responsible for using forced labour, murder and mutilation to force indigenous Congolese who did not fulfill quotas for rubber collections. It is estimated that millions of Congolese died during this time.[3] Many of the deaths can be attributed to new diseases introduced by contact with European colonists, including smallpox which killed nearly half the population in the areas surrounding the lower Congo River.[4]

A sharp reduction of the population of the Congo through excess deaths is widely considered to have occurred during the Free State period but estimates of the deaths toll vary considerably. Although figures are estimates, it is believed that as many as ten million Congolese died during the period,[5][6][7][8] accounting for a fifth of the population. As the first census did not take place until 1924, it is difficult to quantify the population loss of the period and these figures have been disputed by some who, like William Rubinstein, claim that the figures cited by Adam Hochschild are speculative estimates based on little evidence.[9]

Although the Congo Free State was not officially a Belgian colony, Belgium was its chief beneficiary in terms of its trade and the employment of its citizens. Leopold II personally accumulating considerable wealth from the rubber and ivory exports of the colony acquired at gunpoint. Much of this was spent in numerous programmes of public building in Brussels, Ostend and Antwerp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_colonial_empire





So if you are looking for stones beside the stone age of Africa, look for them in buildings around in Brussels... 8)

All because the majority of the black, African people were/are not as intellectually capable as the Western Europeans. In fact, the African emotional IQ, which may be higher, worked against black Africans. http://www.amren.com/

Was Tarzan really a good guy?

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There are not manufacturers in Africa, as well as energy supply for manufacturers, so there are only nature, and wild animals. And in living areas you can find some local markets. That's all and nothing more.  

So Africa is a big zoo in need for caring, readjustment, nudging and population control then?

"Mass sterilization": Kenyan Doctors Find Anti-fertility Agent in UN Tetanus Vaccine

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/168238-2014-12-17-mass-sterilization-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-un.htm

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/mass-sterilization-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-un-tetanus-vaccine/

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Too bad (or maybe an obvious good thing for some here) none of us on this thread will have a real genuine African perspective for a minimum counter argument.

At least we have real genuine muslims counter arguing and pushing back on my thread  :)

Obviously you've never flown over the African continent...

Check it out on Google Earth just for fun.

When I read that I was like WTF? What kind of basic, basic education people get?  ;D :D ;D

https://i.imgur.com/jffLbkw.jpg

This pretty much sums it up, Europeans have been raping that continent for centuries.

During the recent ebola outbreak some blacks attacked a hospital and stole blankets. The blankets used to cover the sick...
There was also a case of a group of sick people that run away from the hospital, because they saw people dying there or whatever. So yeah they prefered spread the desease around and die somewhere in the jungle...

2000 years ago black people were living in their houses made of straw and hunting with spears. In the following years even the isolated countries like Japan built castles, made steel, clothes, paper, art and improved medicine. Now we have space ships, electricity, internet, lasers and hadron colliders  ::) while they are sitting half naked in their huts and hunting with blowguns.

Others have already said it, but I'd put the first part of that question as: I have my boot on your neck pinning you to the floor, but why can't you get up? For the second part of the question, how to correct it: people all over still get a lot of cheap stuff thanks to resources "taken" from Africa. One way to help would be if the population there actually got something out of the deal.

Oh, that's why I have driven past so many mining operations, refineries, and wineries in Africa.  Got it!

Socialism, greed and the shaman tradition.

Socialism - most of the countries in Africa with small exceptions are socialist countries. Meaning that their ideology is in a total clash with modern world. It's obsolete, corrupt and covered in mold. Although they claim to have free market it's based on "who has what" policy, not on the "who did what", or "who spent how much to make that much". It's basically a right of the born rich to get richer and it's forbidden for the poor to elevate in the social staircase. And no, thats not capitalism. That's neo-socialism.

Greed - no need to write much about it, but there are billionaires in Africa, who are billionaires because they steal from their own countries. Mostly government officials - also product of the Socialism.

Shanam tradition - IDK if that's a correct term for it, but even to this day, people in Africa listen first to the shaman of their tribe, and last to anything else - officials, family members, etc. So there are tribe chiefs and shamans, who own vast amounts of money (hundreds of millions of dollars) and several fiancees, multiple golden cars etc, while their tribesmen starve (literally). They claim to have right over people's lives and lands, have armies of kids with AKs who are stoned on meth and are ready to kill at command.

That's why. And it's a vicious cycle. A magic circle that cannot be broken.

Quite strangely, it would appear there is ignorance of North Africa vs. Sub Saharan Africa.

Guys, we are talking about a CONTINENT here.   Not a country.

A study and critic of countries after countries of the African continent makes perfect sense in this thread. But Africaaaaa!?! :D

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Man.  Now that we've had the prep session.

Let's do some real stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2U7S3Aq51II

If you were to visit africa one day then you would see how wrong you are.

The biggest problem in africa is corruption and thieves. The people put in power always end up stealing money meant for development purposes like building roads, water services etc.

Well, They're waiting the USA to bring them some "Democracy"...

Maybe because of corruption?

For example you can watch a movie called "Blood Diamond" which will help you to understand African problem.

There you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJtOhfpGlZ8

At around 2:00 starts the answer for african countries and other 3rd world countries, why they are starving.
Watch the whole presentation, its only 3:50 minutes long.

none of those cars phones and computers were invented by africans

the truthful but unpolitically correct answer is that africa is in the state its in because it is inhabited by lower grade races with lower intelligence than whites and asians who aren't capable of running proper societies and providing for their own needs. even when civilisation is handed to them on a plate such as in rhodesia and south africa they still go back to their savage ways and turn it to shit.

Africa is not stuck in the stone age, there are some great stories evolving there, incredible entrepreneurial energy being unleashed right now

M-Pesa

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m-pesa is one example of innovations in Africa, however most of the continent has a much lower standard of living then the rest of the world, they have a very high poverty rate and are decades behind the rest of the world in terms of technology

Much of which is due to low mental IQ combined with high emotional IQ. http://www.amren.com/

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M-Pesa is just a prepaid cell phone service whose minutes are often used as currency. It is an example as to why Africa is behind when it comes to technology, as people are not able to use traditional banking services

These are lies.  You or whomever these numbers came from have no clue what they mean.

I could equally well (or poorly) claim that rather than the cause being geographical locale, the cause was religion, and predominantly muslim nations were the lowest.

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/12/islam-is-it-only-for-countries-with.html

In reality neither premise even begins to separate out the causative agents in these statistical distributions.

While there may be mistakes in the list, the gist of it is not a lie. If you want to see the details, the books written by testers who have tested the nations, the results of their findings, contact Jared Taylor of American Renaissance at his contact reference at http://www.amren.com/, or through his contact point at http://www.vdare.com/users/jared-taylor. Wake up from the lie that every ethnic group is relatively equal in IQ, and only different in culture.

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Colonization was one reason why Africa has historically been poor.
Indigenous looters have now replaced colonial looters.

Yes I hear the pirate life is great.

More like before the SJW's fill this thread up with their bullshit.

I understand that my prior post had a comment which may have been a bit subtle and hard to understand.  Now what ethnic race were you?  I will thence adjust it accordingly.

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The environment is too bad.

The people at http://mmsnews.is/ aren't helping the nations. They are helping the people individually.

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I am very family with Chlorine Dioxide.  It is a deadly poison.  There is nothing magical about it. 

Here is a snip from your link.  This is crazy talk.  It is against medical judgement and against scientific understanding. 


Using MMS to cure Ebola

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The experimental protocols described in this article are official sacraments of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing. The user accepts 100% responsibility for any and all use made of any information herein.
Definition of terms, important to know

    MMS stands for "Master Mineral Solution" this is the name of a mineral solution used to help un-well people recover their health.
    MMS is a 22.4% solution of 80% sodium chlorite powder or flakes (NaClO2) in water.
    MMS1 is activated MMS. It is MMS plus an activator, when the two are mixed together they produce chlorine dioxide (ClO2).

I am not a chemist but chlorine dioxide doesn't sound to "safe"

While your post is not politically correct, it is somewhat factually accurate. There are really not any new inventions/advancements in technology that has come from the African content in the last half century (at least).

I do wonder if this is the cause of the lack of technology already available in the continent or if it has anything to do with the lack of intelligence potential

It is not stuck in the Stone Ages. Parts of Africa are rising very quickly driven by favourable demographics and better education

Wow, BADecker is either 100% clearly the lowest IQ individual anyone could find on the planet, or a pretty good troll.  Which is it?  

BS. During the colonist era they got roads, education, infrastructural investment, law and order. When it ended, they quickly restarted killing each other just before they were colonized.

Aren't we lucky that all we need to do is start up a new handle/username when we get too much baggage/garbage connected to the current one?

Who is this hashman that out of the blue he/she/it starts to badmouth me? Sort of funny, isn't it?

 :D

NaClO2 is basically a kind of bleach widely used in paper industry and for sanitizing stuff, and as a base of several medicines, but in its native form it's actually poisonous. ClO2 has the same effects. Sounds like some sort of snake oil :).

The interesting thing about NaClO2 is, that when taken in the body in small quantities (not the tiny parts per million used in water purification), like 10 or 20 drops per cup of water, the water helps to circulate it throughout the body. The body sucks the O2 off the NaClO2, and the result becomes salt.

The O2 is used by the body just like regular O2 that is breathed into the system. The beneficial part of the NaClO2 operation is that many bugs in our system can't help but to absorb some of this O2. Yet the O2 is lethal to them, thereby killing the bug and making the body healthier.

The reason that O2 from the lungs doesn't reach the bugs is, the blood is instructed by the cells to give the O2 to them, to be used as a form of "nutrition" for the cells, for whatever purposes the cells use oxygen.

The reason that O2 from NaClO2 can penetrate to parts of the body that the ozone in ozone therapy or the extra oxygen of hydrogen peroxide therapy can't reach is, the O2 from NaClO2 is bound much more strongly to the NaCl in the NaClO2 solution than the oxygen in the other two therapies. Much of the oxygen in the other two is converted to cellular "food" before it has a chance to be effective for killing off bugs. In other words, regular O2 just doesn't make it to the bugs to kill them.

Anyone who is interested should read some of the earlier articles at MMS News http://mmsnews.is/. One great article (with references) shows how modern medicine and science has done experiments on MMS (they don't call it MMS) and found that it is beneficial and hamless - http://mmsnews.is/mms-newsletters/62-newsletter-debunking-the-trojan-horse.

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Don't worry. 200 years later all america will be black =)

No. Hispanic.   :)

OP doesn't want to sound like a dick, but generalized an entire continent by saying it's in the "stone age"?

This is downtown Harare (Zimbabwe)

http://s18.postimg.org/alo6b0fzd/zim.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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Does the entire West look like this (detroit)?  (answer:  no)

http://s16.postimg.org/i9moqjhqt/det.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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All African countries are not on the same level AT ALL!

That being said, the problem with African countries is usually having political troubles that fuel economical problems that fuel political problems.
In Africa to get rich too often you need to be corrupted or get the power to steal the money that comes from abroad or from the natural ressources.

The fact it's very hot may be a problem too ;)

built by white settlers
not representative of "the west" because 84% black

lol, we've got another one of these ultralow iq folks caught in this thread.  It seems a useful honeypot here attracting the unhappy and mentally challenged.  

I don't think that being politically "incorrect" would be a sign of being "unhappy and mentally challened". Trying to almost "religiously" suppress criticism and force PC over the success of the integration projects and some behavioral patterns in certain ethnic groups is more of the sign of low IQ... or a political agenda.
BTW in central Europe we have the same issues with gypsies and the left/lib (aka. libsy) politicians.

Hispanic-Black =)

Maybe you (white) guys can find some vacant plots in the neighborhood of the native-american reservations to make your own reservations :).

im not white

OK. Then replace "you (white) guys" with "your (white) guys" and "make your own" with "make their own". Is this OK now :)?

There's a difference between political incorrectness and trying to base arguments on terms without definitions and making points that only serve to make the speaker look like an idiot.  Calling people on such behavior is hardly a political agenda.

I don't have a problem with referring to specific people with imperfect and non-PC terms (e.g. saying those gypsies staying in the park now are dangerous)  but referring to exactly nobody with no point solely for scapegoating and spreading your unhappiness (e.g. saying white people have low IQs) is just waving the stupid flag. 

pointing out that it doesn't make sense to use a city built by europeans as an example of african success and an american city run by blacks as an example of western failure means i must have a low iq?

Relax. The fact that hashman is a Hero Member who likes to pick of people, doesn't necessarily mean that he is a troll. Rather, it suggests that he is a paid troll.

 ;D

Yeah I know he's low iq because he's' got opinions and facts right!

South Africa proves that when white people populate Africa then it can become relatively devloped and wealthy. People don't want to talk about the Elephant in the room. Yes I believe Africa has been exploited over the decades BIT AfricaNs have to take responsibility in the end. Be it their backward beliefs, IQ?, culture of progressing, spiritual darkness (much of Africa has been quite demonic with Witchcraft being the norm) Christianity is a relatively recent thing and is often mixed with old beliefs.

African will eventually rise and will do so due to China, Africa will be the last of the industrial revolutions in the world. It should really be the richest place on Earth just based on natural resources which have been pludred by the West and now the East.

I think it is fair to say that the standard of living and available technology in Africa is much less then it is in the west. Just because there are skyscrapers does not mean that technology is being used inside of them.

Skyscrapers have been around for decades, long before even the internet was invented

Yes it does. 

1) You suggesting that city was built by migrant labor from Europe.   

2) What do you mean by "black" ?   Seriously.  Enlighten us as to the scientific definition you propose.  Richard Pryor said he saw no black people in Africa, he saw Africans.   

If you think IQ tests have any validity you are already an idiot.  If you think they have some meaning in regards to other generalized terms such as "black" or "white" or "tan"..  it becomes clear you have the intelligence of mealworms. 

Oops! I need to apologize and restate.

Years ago there were several times that I took IQ tests. The tests were subdivide into sections, sections for each of several different disciplines. I tested out rather high on math and language. There were other areas that I tested rather low on... even under 100 on a couple.

People who design the IQ tests generally can't design the tests to accurately measure IQs over 200. The reason is that there are too many variables involved with people who have that high of an IQ. An additional reason is that those who devise the tests often aren't of a high enough IQ themselves so that they can accurately devise tests for high IQ people.

The reason that I am writing this post is that I may have been unfair to hashman. It is obvious from hashman's usage of the language that he is of a reasonably high IQ with regard to using it. (Please forgive my usage of "he" with regard to hashman. I have no idea of "his" gender, but am simply using the masculine form for brevity.)

At the same time, it is obvious that hashman is of a rather low IQ in areas of judging people's intelligence based on results of IQ tests. In addition, it seems that his IQ regarding general respect of people that most of us try to maintain with others, is rather low. There is nothing wrong with this. It simply is what it is.

Because of the above, I apologize for any seemingly critically adverse language I might have used with hashman. He is simply acting within his IQ range... higher in some areas, and lower in other areas.

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Bringing Africa to the same level as the West would be serious mistake. It is imperative that they are allowed to maintain their current state for as long as they're happy with their way of life. It seems that people, scientists included, greatly underestimate the impact of diversity on human evolution. Having elements from as many self-contained unique 'universes' as possible is essential for both intellectual and metaphysical growth. At humanity's current level, a homogeneous world would mean stagnation, with traits similar to what you would expect to find in an inbred community. Humanity would still continue to evolve but within a much more restricted space and along a completely different path. The thing is no one would even be aware of this.

harare is as european as the pyramids are egyptian. higher tier races using black labour to carry heavy stones around doesn't mean blacks get the credit for creating anything.

i mean the african americans who live in detroit. this is the term they use for themselves.

because race is a social construct, right?

https://i.imgur.com/2X3rYtg.png

The African nations have been independent for enough time to take credit of their success and failures. Detroit is a failure of big government.

I agree with this.  Keep them poor so we can pillage their resources.  Fund their warlords so the countries cannot rise up.  Very easy to do and very disgusting.. Our leaders are the def of evil.

A few hundred years ago you would be forgiven for thinking light skinned people were just dumber than everybody else, clearly more unhappy and more likely to shoot themselves in the foot, beat their kids, kill their parents, salt their own lands and destroy their own crops etc.  Today however, where cultural background is obviously not determined by phenotype and people with genetic heritage from every corner of the globe grow up speaking whatever language is around them and adapting whatever customs around them, it is clear such assumptions are wrong.  Well, it's clear if you are willing to look around and learn from things you observe in the world around you.  With enough child abuse and brainwashing that skill seems to have been lost in some sectors of the population. 

By all means, if the only thing about yourself you can find to be proud of is the shape of your nose or some other merit free feature, grasp onto it and repeat again and again how important it is.  Sure beats practicing a skill or doing something useful with your life don't you think? 
 

Africa now is better than before , but yes some country there still poor if we compare to  other country in this world.
Some country there still at war and have disease problem , i think that the reason why they can't build their economic.
I wonder why some diseases always start in africa countries , like ebola and aids.

Ebola first case are found in Nzara, Sudan, and the other in Yambuku, Democratic Republic of Congo.
Source : http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

HIV virus first found in a human was detected in a blood sample collected in 1959 from a man in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo
Source : http://www.theaidsinstitute.org/node/259

This is what I was going to say. It's in poverty because the West raped it of wealth. And besides, a lot of what you say it ignorant bs. Africa had many contributions to science and technology and architecture etc but of course their history is compeltly whitewashed.

might be clear and obvious to rich liberals in ivory tower gated communities but not to those forced to live among them. blacks who grow up in european countries are at the bottom of whatever socioeconomic indicators you look at despite living in these countries for decades and insome cases centuries. drop out rates,welfare dependency, criminality, promiscuity and illegitimacy,pick anything and blacks will be at the bottom. wherever africans go they take africa with them. not so for other races who do adapt and succeed but blacks alone keep banging on about colonialism and slavery and blaming others for their faults all the while being egged on by white and jewish liberals

i know right. blacks had sailboats 50000 years ago and used them to go to the moon.

They lack stable institutions of private property and there is a culture of social responsibility. The first is relatively strait forward so let me explain in more depth the second. By the second i mean that, if one is successful he is expected to give the fruits of his success to the less successful in his society. This means that there is both less incentive to become successful. But more importantly that when one does become successful, generally as a result of making savvy decisions, he is obliged to give the products of his savvy decision making to people who are less fortunate. People who are less fortunate are generally less fortunate because they make less savvy decisions with how to apply their resources. This constitutes a transfer from good decision makers to bad decision makers any time there is savings. It obstructs the process of capital accumulation. Wealth that would have been plowed back into the economy to create new means of production for future prosperity, is instead used on consumption in the here and now. Thus they remain in a state almost entirely devoid of all but the most rudimentary capital infrastructure.

Sorry you have skin cancer sensitivity issues, brother.  Also sorry you feel you are always at "the bottom", the obvious psychology of talking about yourself here is a little painful to watch although it is amusing to see you wave your idiot flag so high.  Examples of peoples of all shapes and sizes succeeding in activities in all cultures are everywhere and obvious.  The world moves on whether you join us or not, we might be a very inbred species which emerged out of Africa but your desperatoin to find an excuse to be an asshole will continue until you decide not to follow the example of the assholes from your childhood.       

Because many president of the african country are corrupted from the occidental country, and occidental country do wherever they want? Or because they haven't nothing? Only country of africa which can be quite good are: South Africa, Egypt, Libia and Tunisia..

What about swine flu  and mad cow disease? Where do you think they started?

That's a terrible example to prove a point. Like I said when Westerners have been in control of Africa it has become relatively modern and developed in South Africa and Zimbabwe formerly Rhodesia. When the whites were kicked out of the country and the land the country collapsed into a horrible corrupt leadership (Mugabe) and hyperinflation if anyone needs reminding.

I'm not saying Black people can't develop their country but the culture predominant in Africa does not led itself toward economic progress. Many African cultures are still nomadic for crying out loud how will they develop into the economic systems we call modern?

Yes this is exactly right. Its all in the culture. Westerners happened to stumble upon a set of values that are conducive to wealth creation while the africans have, for various reasons, not developed these sorts of values. The values that africans have are actually sort of noble, its not for lack of morality or anything like that, its unfortunate that the right values for wealth creation are so unintuitive.

Guess it's time to hand out copies of Atlas Shrugged, instead of bibles.

Well said sir.

Except for one point. Bibles are way more important, because they lead people to eternal life.

We see all kinds of development in Africa. We see modern, and we see exactly the opposite.

Simply giving to Africans doesn't cut it. The only way to improve them is to do it in ways that both you and they profit. However, regarding Africa, there is a problem in doing this.

There are vast areas in Africa where you can get the African people interest in improvement. They improve. They modernize. You and they both make profit. Then you move away from them, and within a hundred years they have fallen back into the stone age.

Many of the people of Africa simply don't have the spark of intelligence that it takes to want to be anything more than primitive. The real question is, are they really the more primitive people for wanting to remain simple, without modern technology? We ALL still die. Modern technology doesn't save us.

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You're silly.

Not yet!

But yes there  is a sort nobility to it.

He can have his own opinion without it being deemed silly that's kind of what bit coin is about anyway freedom.

What about my freedom do deem peoples opinions silly? He has freedom to silly opinions but i dont have freedom to point it out?

When you get done laughing about my silliness, perhaps you could comment on the African part of my post.

 ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Punch_Rhodes_Colossus.png

The size of the picture pretty much explains it.

anecdotal examples are worthless i can find you examples of 6 foot tall orientals with bulging muscles and 9 inch dicks does this mean orientals as a people have through the roof testosterone level no because studies of 1000s show the opposite and dont need studies in any case we can just go to their countries and look at them, same how the stats for millions of blacks collected across most every country in which they live show they commit more violent crimes than anyone else and rely the most on welfare

this is your typical liberal keeps on posting replies finding different ways to sound witty calling someone he doesnt know dumb but posts nothing of substance, wordy and probably university educated but totally brainwashed by whatever its jew professor told it and unable to think for itself, maybe an above average liberal not typical because its clever enough to not bring up poverty makes them that way and ongoing legacy of slavery

I more thought given the strings, the man was the puppet of his own ideas.

Africa?  It's not what's wrong with it.

It's what's right with it.

It's the dakka (ganga), man.  It's really strong.

And it's cheap.

;)

There is no African part of your post.  You know nothing of Africa, or it's languages, or it's thousands of types of people.  You know only your own misshapen thoughts and fantasies.

It wasn't happenstance. Westerners' good set of values wasn't happenstance. Westerners' intelligence is waning. It is evident in the following.

The Spark that Westerners were intelligent enough to see was the Bible. The Bible, along with their natural position of intelligence, gave them the wealth that they have. It works something like this.

Westerners are generally low enough of intelligence that they need certain superstition. They are high enough of intelligence that they need logic at the same time.

Other groups, like the Eastern Asia groups, have the higher intelligence, but their very intelligent leaders of the past imposed such strong superstition on them (to control and enslave them), that though they are generally more intelligent, they have a lot more superstition to work through to get to the logic. Superstition that is passed down from parents to children is very hard to break.

Other groups, like certain of the Africans, or certain of the American Indians, have a low enough intelligence that makes it difficult for anyone to "push" them into strong superstition (because they are not intelligent enough to understand the depths to which superstition can go), yet they have reasonable enough intelligence so that they can live well in the more primitive ways.

Because of the above, God saw that if He could get the Westerners moving in His direction, they would be just the right group to break through the superstition and spread His Word of salvation around the world. This is what is happening. Those stupid Westerners are being used by God to spread His Word and salvation around the world, and few of them even realize it.

Part of the way that God is doing this is to allow blessings to come on the Westerners. The blessings include technological advances, the technological advances that allow them to have worldwide communications and transportation.

The problem with the Westerners is that, at the same time some of them are using the technology to spread God's Word, others of them are using technology to alienate themselves from the God that saves them and Who gives them their special blessings.

God is very smart. He doesn't need Westerners to spread His Word around the world. He can find other ways. If the Westerners won't get back into believing in God, and if they won't stop simply destroying other nations for the enjoyment of destroying and conquering, they, themselves, will be destroyed by the same God that built them up. God will find other ways. Because of Westerners' waning intelligence, they are gradually failing to recognize that it is God that is blessing them.

:)

^

You really believe the nonsense you are spouting right?

Any1 who advertises the taking of dioxine chlorite is braindead.
Depending on where you live you would also go to jail for it.

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Its really sad to be the same specimen as you.. :(

You are African I take it? In Africa, right? That would explain a lot about this, your post ^^.  

:)

no im neither african nor do i live on the african continent.

but how about this.

i will pay you 100 btc if you drink 10,5 liter of dioxine chlorite before me.  ;D

of course we can meet up beforehand and buy the bleach together so that you can be sure it is no toxic liquid that im am giving you  :-*

The tooth fairy, Peter Pan, Tinker Bell, and Dumbo The Flying Elephant says you've falsified the first sentence above with the unfalsifiable fables you wrote after.

Yeah I am going to suffer eternal disembowelment, gnashing of teeth, and brimstone for pointing out that faith is not falsifiable. There is a not a single case of anyone ever reporting back from the afterlife that any of these fables are true.

I rather think we can find scientific, falsifiable hypothesis for why cultures and evolutionary races in climates without harsh winters are less industrious. Even we see that distinction between northern and southern Europe. Why natural select for high IQ, when what you really need to promulgate your genes in a mild climate with savage environs is more athleticism and a longer penis to make sure your semen is deposited deepest. And yes Africans have statistically longer penises than whites and much lower IQs. But then why do tropical climate filipinos typically have 4 and 5" penises  ??? It might be genetic locality with East Asians who are much less combative to social order than Africans and whites[1].

[1] http://blog.jim.com/politics/why-east-asians-vote-democrat/

Except for one major thing. Evolution has been almost proven to be non-existent by science. The only scientific thing that suggests that evolution exists, is a bunch of people who are not willing to interpret science in any other direction except evolution. Science that is interpreted as evolution can also be much more easily interpreted as "like begets like" or "programmed in" ability to adapt to climatic and environment changes.

Scientifically, we see no evolution. The evolution part is guesswork by some scientists, and lots of other people who WANT evolution to be real. There isn't any reality behind it.

Things that show that the idea of God is way more "probable" are:
1. The extreme complexity of the universe, while entropy abounds everywhere;
2. The fact that there is no such thing as randomness (that anyone has discovered); everything operates by cause and effect, action and reaction;
3. The fact that not only does the majority of the world believe that there is a God, even those who think that there is no God when they are at peace, if they find great joy or great pain or great fear, they often suddenly start to think that there is a God.

Because of this, your whole statement, above ^^, is shown to have no validity.

:)

^ Just because you don't live long enough to see completely new species coming up doesn't mean evolution isn't real. It's by far the best explanation for what is observed.

1. entropy doesn't mean at a local level things can't be more complex
2. read up on quantum physics
3. that doesn't even make sense

Badecker is a christian fanatic that was probaly indoctrinated in his early ages.

He is probaly just repeating the garbage that he got beaten with.


Religious fanatism is what probaly sparks ww3.
any1 remember huntingtons clash of the cultures?

1. Except that, the complexity is so extremely great that the entropy reacts extremely powerfully. The more complex the machine, the more parts there are that can wear out, and the faster it will wear out. The evolutionary process is being destroyed by entropy as rapidly as it "attempts" to happen. No evolution. Yet, "stuff" had to come from somewhere since it exists. The machine nature of everything suggests a machine-maker - God.

2. Quantum physics can suggest anything. It takes a cause and effect system to make quantum physics seem like there can be random. Other than that kind of random, there is no random. There is only weakness in observing the cause and effect. Remember, for everything that can be proven by quantum mechanics, any number of opposite things can be proven as well, if you want to prove them.

3. Considering that science doesn't want to admit anything like a soul or spirit (because science can't seem to get a handle on them), doesn't make soul and spirit non-valid. Soul and spirit in people work right along with mind. The vast majority of people recognize that they experience God in one way or another.

Now, we have these three things that say or at least suggest "God."

In addition, when you look into it, the only other thing that comes close to an idea for where things come from (especially life) is evolution. Yet ALL evolution is based on the idea of "if." At its base, evolution seems plausible, but only "if" such and such happened. We don't know "if" such things could happen. The books and papers that talk about the basics of evolution say it this way. Darwin said it (though not exactly like this), and evolution remains a theory after all these years. Essentially, there is nothing to evolution except the hope, by some, that it is real.

Since evolution is not real, and since the knowledge that it is not real is available to anyone who wants to look, and since many people want to believe it is real even though it hasn't been proven to be, and since many people hope that it is real even though it hasn't been proven to be real, EVOLUTION IS A RELIGION. If you think it isn't, you are simply deluding yourself.

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+1000

@BADecker

1. nonsense. You can observe changes from generation to generation in organisms that reproduce quickly enough for us to study. Let that go on for millions of years and you may get organisms that are better classified as a new specie. And the Earth isn't an isolated system for you to claim entropy has a great impact at all.
2. go ahead and prove them then. Until you do, hidden variable theory isn't very well accepted, and quantum mechanics is fundamentally probabilistic. Randomness exists.
3. still makes no sense. Just because you say it's real doesn't make it so.

Evolution is a scientific theory. Not the same as theory as used in everyday life. It's incomplete, and might even be wrong, but it's the best explanation anyone has come up with so far. And it isn't a religion precisely because it can change or be discarded as more becomes known.

Well, since some cities in the U.S. use chlorine dioxide for water purification in their city water, and since a whole bunch of companies including DuPont are selling it for water purification, by your standards, maybe that's why the whole U.S. has the problems that it has.

:)

I believe the main point of it. The main point is that God blesses any nation that believes in Him. He blesses them more when they follow His instructions in the Bible. He starts removing His blessings after they start falling away from Him. He destroys them once their falling away has become extreme.

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LOL !  :D :D :D

All the observable changes from generation to generation can be attributed to climate and environment more easily than to evolution theory.

Evolution is not a theory. It has been proven wrong so many hundreds of times since its inception, that the only thing that keeps it in theory status is a bunch of people who are fighting against God by hoping that evolution might become a theory again. These people are hyping it so strongly that it seems to hold theory status.

All you need to do is read scientific papers, examining the evidence, not the conclusions of the authors. The evidences (which is often backed up by the authors' conclusions, though not always) show that there is no conclusive evidence for evolution that cannot be attributed at the same time to programmed-in changes do to climatic or environmental changes.

:)

So you agree to my proposal?

Just a yes or no is suifficient.

100 btc for a yes.

And you only need to drink bleach for it.

You already take mms everyday so it should be no problem right?

Or just dodging like always?
God is dead and you are the perfect example for it

Well since I drink about 8 drops of MMS in about 8 ounces of water almost every day, your proposal is a bit behind times. Besides, since I would only drink small amounts per day, by the time I downed enough to collect your hundred bitcoins, I'd probably be dead from old age. Because of this, I see no use in accepting your proposal.

I am really curious about why you might think God is dead. After all, both scientific and non-scientific observation has failed completely with regard to finding out what God is about in detail. So, why would you think He is dead rather than simply operating in ways you don't understand, or even recognize enough, to see that He's back there, pulling the strings so to speak?

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Really! because I see more economic reason than because of someone's faith.

100btc for drinking a canister of bleach. ::)

Something interesting:

The creator of mms was a scientologist for 25 years. He now also created the genesis 2 church of health and healing. He calls himself archbishop humble.

The dose of dioxin chlorit in mms is thousands of times higher then the maximum legal dose for water purification in the us (even more in europe, because we have higher standards)

Since over 6 years there is not one single test that shows that mms works.
there are only blogs and websites talking about millions of cured people ( children included).

You guys are following a pied piper in a deep abyss.
just please dont feed your kids with it.

No it's not ok. All people are alike. Better stop dividing them. This will not lead you anywhere. We all living on the same planet.

I stopped by Walmart the other day. The first person I saw in Walmart... uirtyu8959t9ytseh9te... looked exactly like me (except for different clothing, that is). The second person I saw looked like me as well. And the third, and the fourth... in fact, all of the people looked exactly like me! So I asked one of them, "Are you male or female?" He answered me, "Why do you ask such a silly and pointless question?" Immediately I realized that I knew the answer to my question all along. "All people are alike."

Since then, I haven't been able to find any women. What's going on?

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Their is a thing called subspecies you know that right?

Good luck trying to find a good definition of 'subspecies'

 a category in biological classification that ranks immediately below a species and designates a population of a particular geographic region genetically distinguishable from other such populations of the same species and capable of interbreeding successfully with them where its range overlaps theirs
 
  a named subdivision (as a race or variety) of a taxonomic species
 

so a donkey would be a subspecies of a horse or vice versa?

"a population of a particular geographic region genetically distinguishable from other such populations"?
That would mean 3 subspecies: 'sub-sahara-african', 'east asian' and 'european'.
The 'overlap' is kind of big. Where do you draw the line?

these guys all think Africa is like, a country or something

No because a donkey and a horse can mate but their offspring cant have babies. so no

I never said it was.

Everyone is human the subspecies part though is in their race/ethnicity so they all can produce offspring that are fertile but their race or ethnicity may differ.

Ah, like houses in the central Great Plains of the USA were built, in the 19th century?

Yes, these ideas are crazy enough to warrant criminal charges.

Since clorine dioxin is something that rapidly decomposes and is a gaseous product, I am not even certain how it could be considered to exist and have effects within a living biological organism by the injestion of something. 

The two chemicals from which it is derived couldn't exist in sufficient concentration in the tissue or bloodstream to yield Cl02.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KwSxdN2JIs

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I guess his point is they still do while people in the great plains used different materials as they were more viable from the influx of more colonist.

Peoples from climates with winters don't have narrower, more pointy noses to deal with the extremely cold air (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070402173849AAeubJu). Peoples from the hot tropic Savannas of Africa don't have more melanin in their skin to deal with the increased exposure to the sun's radiation.

Yeah evolution doesn't exist.

What are you trying to say? Are you a racist?

Only idiots (and there are lot of them in this world) conflate "scientifically verified group differences" with "unjustified discrimination". Here is some reading material for your edumacation (http://silverstockreport.com/2013/edumacation.html).

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=142

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6160

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4278

Define "evolution." The evolution I am talking about is a thing that supposedly took inanimate chemicals and turned them into the abundant life we see today. The fossil record shows that there were times in the past where life was way more abundant than it is today.

I would somewhat like scientists to develop a really plausible, working method whereby life could have potentially developed through evolution. The reason I would like this is that it would show how great God is... that He could develop us artificial intelligences that could actually formulate a way to evolve life into existence. Unfortunately, science hasn't done this yet.

Of course, this would only be a small starting point for proving evolution. Why? Because nobody can look into the past to see what happened. And there are still way too many unforeseeable variables that could have occurred over the millennia, to have even a clue whether life happened by evolution or not.

This is another point that defeats evolution as fact. The greater the time-span for evolution to develop into what we have today, the greater the chances that it would fail, simply because there would be more time for "failure" events to happen.

Now, if somebody invented a real, working time viewer...

:)

Well, Jesus was black.....

Only where the sunlight didn't reach.   ;D

I am sick of how black people in Africa use excuses for their laziness and corruption. The evil white man didn't rob your societies blind - your leaders did. That's your fault. The evil white people didn't throw their trash in your cities - you did and still do. That's your fault. Killing each other over stupid shit is not the evil white man's fault. The white man is not obligated to take care of you.
In the thousands of years of African history only one black civilization had great acomplishments - Nubia. No other have been found. That's 5000 years of history.
Why didn't the black man colonized Europe? Because he was busy eating the black man from another tribe, sew his wife's vagina, etc barbaric rituals.
Everyone blames christianity, but it's a form of political control. Fact is - you are unable to govern yourself, and without the help of the UN, Unicef, Doctors without borders etc all African countries, incl. RSA which is hands down the strongest economy, would extinct. You have to stop using slavery as an excuse for everything. A large part of Europe was under slavery for 500 years and got free way after blacks in the US and Africa. And yet those countries are ages before you.

PS: Saying the truth isn't racism.

The nice thing about it is, you can grab your guns, and head off to Africa. There is so much freedom there, and so much poverty, that if you have a rifle and pistols (and a practical head on your shoulders), Black Africans will bow to your superiority. This isn't true everywhere, of course. And you need to watch out for dictators, and would-be dictators, but they are usually few and far between. The central countries of Africa are open to settle in, in many areas. Government there is nil in most places - Cameroon, Central African Republic, Mozambique, and others. And, the black population is friendly if you don't harm them except in self defense. In fact, they are quite open to fast justice in local, small ways.

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Yes I am racist because science shows that their are different groups in our species. You are a idiot to just throw something off as racist because it doesn't agree with your agenda.

Well probably more of a olive middle eastern skin color.

Any racists here? Yes. Those who want to deny me and my race the right to focus on our race more than on other races.

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We could agree on that.  You mean in the archaic language of the phrenological past, someone who might have been called "one of the coloreds?"  Perhaps some of those in this discussion more knowledgable and more certain of their knowledge of the history of racism might answer that?

Surely a phrenological examination of the Savior, Jesus Christ, would show what race he belonged to.  Or conversely, such examination of the races existent would show what races he could not possibly belong to?

;)

You didn't introduce any counter example to the data I had linked to.

Some Jews are less white than some Europeans, yet some subgroups of Jews have the highest average IQs.

I think it is quite clear the distinction between such races the black skinned negros in Africa (perhaps other than Egypt, Ethiopia, Morocco) which have an average IQ (of 85 which is) one standard deviation below the Europeans and East Asians.

Proving creation versus evolution is as unfalsifiable as proving God exists, because there is no way to rebuild the past with such precision because for example, we have no way to prove that our data is omniscient (there are normally multiple realities, i.e. your and my recollection of history will never be entirely the same). Thus anyone who argues this is INSANE because entropy is unbounded in either direction in time (forward or reverse)[1]. What can't be falsified, can't be proved. End of discussion.

The scientific method is only an approximation of collective reality while it is experienced and updated in real-time. Collective reality diverges in spacetime (and other dimensions) from any sampling point, because a collective reality is unstable and transient, otherwise nothing could exist because there would be no degrees-of-freedom in the universe, i.e. the entropy would 0. Trying to go back to the start of the Universe is utter nonsense, because the entropy is unbounded, i.e. there is/was no start just as there is no edge to the Universe[2].

[1] I may be the first person to assert that. I dunno. And I need to write down some proofs when I get some free time. It follows logically from [2]
[2] http://unheresy.com/The%20Universe.html#Matter_as_a_continuum

“When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.”

― Jomo Kenyatta

Religion.

The oldest and the greatest way to narcotize and rob people since 300.000 B.C.E. African people were just too innocent for those reptilians.

Go back and look at the things you just said. Then compare them with what I said.

We may be on an even keel with regard to the things we said. How do we really know what truth is? One thing, though. Outside of the unprovable God, my stuff makes complete sense. Yours is so full of "maybe this, or maybe that, or maybe not" that you might as well call it something like a big dream.

Get back to reality.

:)

Indeed, I wrote unfalsifiable for both. But in the near-term, we have strong evidence for evolution as a reasonable approximation as I outlined with the example I provided upthread.


Unprovable fable versus scientific evidence supporting theories of near-term evolution as a reasonable approximation in the near-term from now (forward or reverse in time). The other technobabble I stated was arguing the orthogonal point that we can't falsify evolution from the start of creation of life forms and earth (and more so not since the start of the Universe), so I wasn't trying to argue for any provable case, instead I was arguing it can't be proven. When I see rabid propagandists such as Richard Dawkins masquerading as scientists arguing that evolution can be proven to have caused creation, I note they are as irrational (a.k.a. insane) as the other side arguing that Creationism has any falsifiable basis. We ought to just admit that we can't know.

I will not argue that faith can be disproven, i.e. the definition of faith is that it can't be proven nor disproven. The closest I've come to that is to reason that (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896399.msg9893422#msg9893422) Christianity is an unattractive risk versus reward offer.

I do not disrespect anyone's belief system. I only share my logic but I can't disprove your belief system.

In a modern society it's now because of their economics.

Lack of money = Lack of development.

They will eventually be where Europe is in say 50 years.

It's about mentality. Not money.

Those are the words of a fascist, fyi, I'm white and from the UK, people like you need to have a proper read up on history instead of blindly believing what priests, school teachers and politicians try to teach you. To me there is nothing more arrogant and patronising than somebody claiming that somebody else isn't allowed to self-govern or have their own opinions and therefore should be ruled over instead.

They cant because they are corrupt. And greedy. Not because they are unable to.
Example - South Africa. It was governed by P.W. Botha - a white man until the 1990s. Now it's most prosperous.
Not only - africans needed much less help back then. Now they are procreating like rabbits and someone else has to foot the bill.

rofl  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

let me help you google it (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apartheid+south+africa)

@lethn

that actually was a quote of hitler.
hitler and the nazis based their claim to power exactly on this, that the human being is unable of living in freedom and self governance.

Like I said, it is the argument of fascists, what's alarming is we regularly see this logic applied when there are people out there who will actually organise and vote for self-governance, nobody thinks twice about the language that these mainstream politicians are using.

Again, it is self-governance that we have right now. If the people in the formal governments make it hard enough on us, we will remove them one way or another. They know this. So, they are limiting themselves in the ways they are governing us. We don't remove them because we are led to believe that we like them enough so that we want to keep them.

What good would it do for them to destroy us outright? Then they would have nobody to work the fields for them. They want and need us. But to keep us, and keep us happy, they need to give us a semblance of freedom.

We are outsmarting all their tricks. We are seeing through their freedom ruse. We are waking up. To keep us asleep, they are giving us more freedom. But, how far can that go? Once you give the people the complete semblance of freedom, they are FREE. Government doesn't like that. They lose governance that way.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the people wake up all the way.

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they made some step forward , but they are always slower than euro or america

they opened carrefour(big supermarket) in tunisia for example

2000 years ago when there was Roman Empire it was Ancient age and not Stone age.

I think oprahwindfury did not mean the literal Stone Age. I think that he (she? it?) meant, simply, a time long ago. After all, he says "2000+" which makes the time inexact.

Everybody who is anybody knows that the Stone Age is a fictional time developed as part of a scientific religion to pull distraught people from Christianity (and other religions) into mental political control of university scholars so that they can get their funding easier. It supposedly ended about 2000 years before God created the universe, some 6,000 years ago.

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Funny enough 6000 is a number not to be found in the Bible at all. 666 is  ;)
http://realtruth.org/articles/090203-006-science.html

When you read the Bible the word Eon is also present in it too.
http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html

Eon is a tiny bit more than 6000 years...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_time_scale#Terminology

Thank you for teaching me something new! Much appreciated!

 :)

While the word "eon" is NOT found in the King James or New International translations of the Bible, some translations might have this word - https://www.biblegateway.com/.

The dictionary definition of the word "eon" might be usable in some areas of Bible translation, since there are several meanings for this word. It seems that the translators have avoided this word, instead using words that better describe what is meant by the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eon?s=t:

If anyone would like to see that the earth is almost exactly 6,000 years old (+/- less than 1%), Biblically, go here http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm for a more detailed look at the quote, below:
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Africans settled in Europe hundreds of thousands of years ago.

http://www.biblica.com/en-us/bible/bible-faqs/in-what-language-was-the-bible-first-written/

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/eon1.html

We can certainly go back and forth for the next 2000 years. Or until bitcointalk.org's servers get destroyed by the Powers That Be....

But I am guilty of derailing somebody's thread, so I will stop right here.

 :)

Of course, this is 100% conjecture, with contradictory interpretations throughout the whole idea. Essentially, it isn't even theory. It is only touted as theory by political scientists, or politicians directly.

The Bible is the historical record made by the people who were there, and authorized by God, Himself.

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TED-ed: The Atlantic slave trade - What too few textbooks told you by Anthony Hazard @youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXC4Q_4JVg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXC4Q_4JVg)

Expect brutal slavery in places in African like Algeria, Mali, Mauritania, Southern Morocco, Niger, Western Sahara (now considered to be part of Morocco), and others. Even South Africa treats some of its black people like slaves.

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You got it.  And my ancestors, the great Nations of Native Americans, traveled across a land bridge through the Aleutian Islands, from Alaska, then to populate Russia and China. 

They're kind of trying just not to die from
*worms
*malaria
*ebola
*billions of other diseases

List of countries by life expectancy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Comparison_gender_life_expectancy_CIA_factbook.svg

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Good life in japan, must be the diet and a rich smart country also.  Karpeles might bring the average down a little if he was fraudulent ;D

I agree with you on that.

We may differ in our interpretation of the phrase "biblical age" though.

For example, I define it as horseshit.

You are funny, but...

Scientists and archeologists observe all kinds of things. They take measurements. They calculate what happens when they use their measurements on this and that. Then they extrapolate their calculations towards things that they do not have real information for.

Recently, scientists and astronomers found a Star Trek style force field within the Van Allen radiation belts around the earth. Until March 2013, scientists assumed there were only two belts, filled with high-energy electrons and protons, surrounding Earth. However, a NASA-launched probe detected that there was a third belt in between the two.

http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2014/11/26/star-trek-invisible-shield-found-thousands-miles-above-earth
http://rt.com/news/210027-earth-shield-radiation-belt/
http://news.discovery.com/space/raise-shields-star-trek-like-barrier-protects-earth-141201.htm
http://www.business2community.com/space-science/scientists-discover-star-trek-style-shield-200-miles-earth-01082788

In other words, scientists overlooked something important until recently. Now they are reformulating some cosmology physics to match the new data. The point? We don't know much of anything by scientific observation. We may know loads of details. But on a scale of what there is to know, we know very little.

The larger point is, our interpretations of what we see are often far from the truth, simply because we missed some little, key element. So, how do we know what happened in the distant past? We interpret the age of the earth based on things that we see. Yet, like the above mentioned force field, we don't have a clue as to what we missed, at least not until we discover it.

The people of ancient Bible times wrote things that they observed, just like today's scientists. The fact that they didn't know everything was the same for them as for the scientists of today. The fact that they described things as they saw them is exactly the thing that modern scientists do. What Bible writers didn't do is assume that they knew more than what they saw.

The biggest point? Why do we often believe our modern scientists who are proving themselves wrong all the time, and we don't at least consider the ancient Bible writers who, though they may not have been corroborated by modern scientists, have not been proven wrong?

We are the people. We are so arrogant, like we know it all. Yet we constantly find that we know so little. When are we going to wake up and look at reality, and let ourselves know that we don't really know very much of anything?

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When people or historians pointed colonialism as an excuse, they should ask why the continent is so prone to colonialism and not able to defend itself. The truth is obvious for non-politically corrected historians.

It wasn't just Africa. Asia was prone to colonization as well.
They have turned out pretty okay now.

According to that article, pretty much every place in the entire world has been a colony of some other place, usually at multiple points in time.

Colonialism is the rule, not the exception.  It seems racist to say that it's fundamentally different when white people do it to black people.

Unlike Africa, Taiwan and Israel have almost no natural resources (except for their people). 

European colonialists were certainly no fans of East Asians or Jews either.  And yet they thrive, despite their ancient and recent history as colonies...

Perhaps culture is a form of technology?

Countries that offer individual freedom that cannot be overcome by their governments are the countries that succeed. It is only where governments do not allow individual freedom, or where individual freedom is lost somehow, that failure creeps in.

Every country that makes it a crime when someone harms someone else, or damages his property, and allows freedom every other way, is a country that succeeds. This does not mean that there are no laws. It means that all the laws are strong warnings only. If an individual harms someone or damages his property in the face of the warnings about how to act in a right way, then, the country that punishes him according to his crime, that country will thrive. But they will thrive only if there are no other laws.

Freedom is what makes a nation or kingdom or land thrive. Lack of freedom turns the best of people away from prosperity.

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Face it, he just blew your mind.

Seriously though, it's on this principle that anarchy would succeed if everyone would just not be a turd. If people were not BUTTS to each other, we wouldn't NEED a government. Or Obama.

Yes but it is not PC

but at least the people in Botswana are trying to change it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botswana

yet they have still problems to solve :

many people still live in barracks, unstable energy(STEAG shall fix it) and HIV

I would say that it is the general lack of current (and recent) colonialism in Africa that would contrubate to it's general lack of technology. When a country starts a colony it will generally bring in resources and it's new technology to it's colony in order for the colony to thrive and to succeed. Without many colonies in Africa it is not importing technology at a as high of a rate that it otherwise would be

Low production cost will bring in new technologies and expansion if basic infrastructure and security are in place. If a country can not provide simple need and security for its own citizen, why would anyone invest in the country?

The other thought is that Africa is not stuck in any kind of stone age. It is simply that the media makes the rest of the world think that they are not.

Take a look at how poorly doctors and hospitals in the U.S. do at saving cancer patients. Sure, U.S. cancer patients get to die in luxury, but they still die.

If you want to see what is happening (or similar to it) in many places in Africa, watch the 2005 movie Sahara. Stuff like the pollution in Sahara isn't being widely reported. But it is happening. It wouldn't be surprising if an exact scenario like in the movie played out to destroy most life in the whole world.

Also, see one of the things that the people of Africa can do about their conditions: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=917252.0.

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You think the solution to poverty is guns?  ???

Gun manufacturing is a profitable business, especially if all the common people of Africa who don't have guns buy them.

The people could be employed at the gun and munitions plants and earn good money. They could take guns home with them to protect their families from foreign invaders.

As skills among Africans increased, they might even get into the manufacture of nukes.

Right now, the country of South Africa is the only notable place in Africa where guns and armament are manufactured. If it spread throughout Africa, Africa could stand up and take its place in the modern world, just like South Africa has.

Of course, all the things associated with guns would have to be included in the package - gun safety training and gun laws and rights.

The problem with this whole idea might be the low mental IQ of much of Africa combined with their high emotional IQ. Africa just might be the place that a populace that had open carry might be constantly getting into gun battles with their neighbors over nothing... just for the fun of it.

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The port city of Lagos, Nigeria, is almost as populous as New York State, and probably the largest city in Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos

List of cities proper by population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population.

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