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Title: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - Updated Photo/Video Post by: Stratobitz on February 04, 2015, 03:18:58 PM This is a simple outline / guide on how we are running our Antminer S5 Units in clusters of 6 with no overheating issues and a decent overclock.
Our setup consists of (6) S5 Units per Cluster - all within the small space of a 30" small wire shelving unit. Our Miners are set at frequency 393.75. We are achieving 1300+ GHash per Miner; no "X"s; and with only a single Delta AFB1212SHE Replacement Fan. We are not using any sort of water cooling or push pull; just a single fan. Temps are constant at 52-56 C in a 69-72 F Room. We've been grouping 6 units together on a 24x30x14 Small Wire Shelving Unit which can be purchased at HomeDepot / Target for roughly $20.00. The config illustrated here uses (3) EVGA 1300 G2 PSUs, with (2) S5 Units on each PSU. This particular setup will limit your overclocking ability due to the PSUs power limit. With this setup I would not recommend going over 362.50. However, this same setup can be used with a total of (4) 1000w PSUs running 393.75 - simply by running (3) S5 Units on (2) PSUs each X 2. Simply Mount all 4 PSUs on the outside of the shelving unit - rather than the 3rd 1300w in the middle. Please note that the Pink Circles and Lines note Zip Tie Points. http://s26.postimg.org/fymk0uiyh/Antminer_S5_Setup_Config_Stratobitz_Coin_Rocket.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/u52aw2tth/full/) We'll be publishing our additional guide on maximizing your mining hashpower; and improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package. That guide will be posted later this month! Cheers! Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 04, 2015, 05:01:28 PM improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package That's a pretty bold claim right there. So a stock S5 will get 1328Gh by a script? Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 04, 2015, 05:11:26 PM improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package That's a pretty bold claim right there. So a stock S5 will get 1328Gh by a script? Overclocked yes. Im running poolside averages of 1280-1320ish on the units. Only hardware mod is the replaced Fan. Single. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 04, 2015, 05:14:11 PM improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package That's a pretty bold claim right there. So a stock S5 will get 1328Gh by a script? The Radiators are designed improperly if you ask me. In fact their curved blades in my opinion trap heat rather than expel it. Running the unit vertical would do nothing but improve the thermodynamic cooling ability of the radiator allowing heat to escape the way it wants to. Up. Cheers, Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 04, 2015, 05:23:01 PM improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package That's a pretty bold claim right there. So a stock S5 will get 1328Gh by a script? The Radiators are designed improperly if you ask me. In fact their curved blades in my opinion trap heat rather than expel it. Running the unit vertical would do nothing but improve the thermodynamic cooling ability of the radiator allowing heat to escape the way it wants to. Up. They're designed EXACTLY to trap the flow and prevent it from escaping. You want that air to continue down the entire length of the blades before being allowed to exit, else you end up with an even larger temperature gradient down the blades. The curved design also adds significant surface area [heat transfer] for the same amount of material and volume. As a last point, passive convection effects are almost negligible in regards to heat removal when you have active convection operating. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 04, 2015, 05:31:03 PM improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package That's a pretty bold claim right there. So a stock S5 will get 1328Gh by a script? The Radiators are designed improperly if you ask me. In fact their curved blades in my opinion trap heat rather than expel it. Running the unit vertical would do nothing but improve the thermodynamic cooling ability of the radiator allowing heat to escape the way it wants to. Up. They're designed EXACTLY to trap the flow and prevent it from escaping. You want that air to continue down the entire length of the blades before being allowed to exit, else you end up with an even larger temperature gradient down the blades. The curved design also adds significant surface area [heat transfer] for the same amount of material and volume. As a last point, passive convection effects are almost negligible in regards to heat removal when you have active convection operating. The surface area of the radiator blade does not change by running it upright. Second, the fans push an incredible amount of air over the blades. I find it hard to believe that running it horizontal would increase airflow efficiency and reduce trapped heat. Heat wants to rise. Ive run it both horizontal and vertical. I get lower temps, less x's, and am able on a few units to go up 1 additional clock speed. Im just speaking from my experience here. I certainly mean no disrespect. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pekatete on February 04, 2015, 05:45:56 PM Strato - nice concepts applied here .... still out on the extra cost of that huge fan though ...
They're designed EXACTLY to trap the flow and prevent it from escaping. Thats nonsense. With the fan that ships with the S5, there's no chane of trapping anything between the blades. In any case, why trap the heat in the first place? You want that air to continue down the entire length of the blades before being allowed to exit, else you end up with an even larger temperature gradient down the blades. Thats waffle. The curved design also adds significant surface area [heat transfer] for the same amount of material and volume. Absolute nonsense! You mean the same material occupies less area when curved. Curving does NOT increase surface area (let alone significantly). As a last point, passive convection effects are almost negligible in regards to heat removal when you have active convection operating. So what's this all about then? "They're designed EXACTLY to trap the flow and prevent it from escaping." Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 04, 2015, 06:33:21 PM Strato - nice concepts applied here .... still out on the extra cost of that huge fan though ... They're designed EXACTLY to trap the flow and prevent it from escaping. Thats nonsense. With the fan that ships with the S5, there's no chane of trapping anything between the blades. In any case, why trap the heat in the first place? You want that air to continue down the entire length of the blades before being allowed to exit, else you end up with an even larger temperature gradient down the blades. Thats waffle. The curved design also adds significant surface area [heat transfer] for the same amount of material and volume. Absolute nonsense! You mean the same material occupies less area when curved. Curving does NOT increase surface area (let alone significantly). As a last point, passive convection effects are almost negligible in regards to heat removal when you have active convection operating. So what's this all about then? "They're designed EXACTLY to trap the flow and prevent it from escaping." Stand the Miner Vertical. Set it up like I drafted it out in my Op Post. See the heat difference. See the OC capability difference. I have 24 of these. Im not making this up. Yes the S5 is easilly a 1300 Ghash miner. All it takes is a 90 Degree Rotation of the unit. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pekatete on February 04, 2015, 06:52:20 PM Stand the Miner Vertical. Set it up like I drafted it out in my Op Post. See the heat difference. See the OC capability difference. Was not disputing any of your claims, just dogie's waffle responses.I have 24 of these. Im not making this up. Yes the S5 is easilly a 1300 Ghash miner. All it takes is a 90 Degree Rotation of the unit. Strato I know the S5 is easily a 1300Gh/s + miner (mine is at 1350 albeit at a higher freq), but now you got me thinking of the S3 variants too .... aka the vertical position. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: fullzero on February 05, 2015, 12:03:21 AM Never doubt the effectiveness of box fans. They are beast. 8)
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 12:18:02 AM Never doubt the effectiveness of box fans. They are beast. 8) Yep they move air for sure. We bought like 30 of them for our GPU rigs which have since been turned off. And for $20 bucks you cant beat them. The cost of a single decent PC Case Fan, yet big enough to keep air moving across 2 GPU rigs (8 GPUs) or in this case- 6 AntMiner S5 Units. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: philipma1957 on February 05, 2015, 01:28:46 AM Never doubt the effectiveness of box fans. They are beast. 8) Yep they move air for sure. We bought like 30 of them for our GPU rigs which have since been turned off. And for $20 bucks you cant beat them. The cost of a single decent PC Case Fan, yet big enough to keep air moving across 2 GPU rigs (8 GPUs) or in this case- 6 AntMiner S5 Units. Strato very nice. for me I have very limited space so I have mostly all sp20's in one stack of six. I open and close a garage door to cool it as needed. I was able to cool my s-5 with 3 fans and run it at freq 412 getting gh of 1337 but 3 fans is a costly mod . MY s-5 setup is not good if you want to run a lot of them. but I can't find the room to do what stratobitz did . I do like getting the 1337 with 690 watts with all 3 fans blowing you do not need the silverstone 3 fans no silverstone http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/538/R2ZOZr.png but the delta's in a push- pull and the 1 nocuta give me very good numbers photos 2 delta's ,1 nouctua, 1 silverstone, the noutua and the silverstone run off the s-5 controller. the delta's run off the small dc to dc convert at a constant 10 volts. the whole mess give me 1331gh with 690-692 watts at 59-60 db about .518 watts per gh that counts all 4 fans. 4 fans silverstone http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/673/zVjeBI.png http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/913/jdPHaj.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/540/OFLEEb.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/631/VdhJWm.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/633/Z8xbvv.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/901/1IK9VV.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/673/Vv7Rjl.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/540/nTncg9.jpg fullsize http://imageshack.com/a/img538/3220/R2ZOZr.png http://imageshack.com/a/img673/6377/zVjeBI.png http://imageshack.com/a/img913/1238/jdPHaj.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img540/2419/OFLEEb.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img631/4706/VdhJWm.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img633/2356/Z8xbvv.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img901/5341/1IK9VV.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img673/1138/Vv7Rjl.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img540/5448/nTncg9.jpg [/quote] Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: PatMan on February 05, 2015, 01:40:49 AM Is that your bed next to an SP20 & a S5? Do you sleep with industrial ear muffs strapped to your head? ;D
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: notlist3d on February 05, 2015, 01:49:47 AM Is that your bed next to an SP20 & a S5? Do you sleep with industrial ear muffs strapped to your head? ;D That is dedication. Definitely could keep a eye on it that way though. I personally keep them out of bedrooms :) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 05, 2015, 01:59:05 AM Is that your bed next to an SP20 & a S5? Do you sleep with industrial ear muffs strapped to your head? ;D That is dedication. Definitely could keep a eye on it that way though. I personally keep them out of bedrooms :) You stop being able to hear it after a while, its surprising what level of noise can become the baseline. Its also a lot easier because miner noise is perfectly level. improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package That's a pretty bold claim right there. So a stock S5 will get 1328Gh by a script? Overclocked yes. Im running poolside averages of 1280-1320ish on the units. Whenever you post your next resource, please make it exceptionally clear that overclocking will void a user's warranty. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: philipma1957 on February 05, 2015, 02:00:29 AM Is that your bed next to an SP20 & a S5? Do you sleep with industrial ear muffs strapped to your head? ;D MY wife would kill me. It is a spare bedroom in the basement. I hope to run the avalon 4 tests in that room and keep the avalon 4 running there. It is supposed to be very quiet. I will shift that lone s-5 and the 9th sp20 out to the garage or maybe into my attic. I have the power to run these I'm short space mostly due to the heat and noise they make. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 02:08:52 AM Is that your bed next to an SP20 & a S5? Do you sleep with industrial ear muffs strapped to your head? ;D That is dedication. Definitely could keep a eye on it that way though. I personally keep them out of bedrooms :) You stop being able to hear it after a while, its surprising what level of noise can become the baseline. Its also a lot easier because miner noise is perfectly level. improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package That's a pretty bold claim right there. So a stock S5 will get 1328Gh by a script? Overclocked yes. Im running poolside averages of 1280-1320ish on the units. Whenever you post your next resource, please make it exceptionally clear that overclocking will void a user's warranty. Overclocking voids the warranty? Then why is it a drop down option in the control panel of your software which ships with the units. Secondly; why is it not listed on that submenu (Advanced) as WARNING saying that clocking above 350 will void ones warranty. Third, if I did a hard reset - how would you know. Forth, if you were able to somehow read the data off the miner and know that it was overclocked; what if I were to just put the miner on the grill for 20 or 30 minutes and burn it up and claim malfunction. I'm not trying to start a fight here. But I find that it's ridiculous to put an option to set a frequency higher than 350 with a simple dropdown menu - in your own software - and there be no warning whatsoever - and that BM would deny a warranty claim. Thats like Sony saying sorry your warranty is void on your new Sound System - you turned up the volume past 50. Or a car company saying sorry; your warranty is void you drove it above 75 miles per hour. If the unit can't take it - the don't offer it. And if you do offer it - make it clear within the software (simple to do) that clocking higher than X is "At your own risk" and will void the warranty. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pekatete on February 05, 2015, 02:10:15 AM Whenever you post your next resource, please make it exceptionally clear that overclocking will void a user's warranty. I am not sure that is necessary as most mining rig owners know that OC'ing voids the warranty. In any case, it is bitmain's responsibility to advise its customers about the terms of the warranty, and to my knowledge, I have never seen any official bitmain literature to that effect, bearing in mind that the so called overclocking frequencies ship as selectable options (on the S5 at least)! Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: PatMan on February 05, 2015, 02:12:38 AM & Fifth - stop spamming everyone's threads poop-dogie. Again. ::)
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 02:12:51 AM Is that your bed next to an SP20 & a S5? Do you sleep with industrial ear muffs strapped to your head? ;D MY wife would kill me. It is a spare bedroom in the basement. I hope to run the avalon 4 tests in that room and keep the avalon 4 running there. It is supposed to be very quiet. I will shift that lone s-5 and the 9th sp20 out to the garage or maybe into my attic. I have the power to run these I'm short space mostly due to the heat and noise they make. Philip your posts always amaze me - you are a madman! ;) Thanks also for your post on getting 7v off the 1300 using a molex. May give that a shot. But for now - getting nice speeds with a single fan - Miner VERTICAL. ;) I also give credit to Philip for pointing me towards the Delta Fans - they ended up working out great. Cheers! Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 02:18:29 AM Is that your bed next to an SP20 & a S5? Do you sleep with industrial ear muffs strapped to your head? ;D That is dedication. Definitely could keep a eye on it that way though. I personally keep them out of bedrooms :) You stop being able to hear it after a while, its surprising what level of noise can become the baseline. Its also a lot easier because miner noise is perfectly level. improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package That's a pretty bold claim right there. So a stock S5 will get 1328Gh by a script? Overclocked yes. Im running poolside averages of 1280-1320ish on the units. Whenever you post your next resource, please make it exceptionally clear that overclocking will void a user's warranty. As far as I can tell - Overclocking DOES NOT void the warranty. There is no statement on the website - unless I am blind (possible) - and all the manual states regarding the OC/Frequency is: 4.2 Frequency Modification You are able to modify the frequency value through ‘Miner Configuration->Advanced Settings‘. The default frequency for the AntMiner S5 is 350M. No where does it state that by going above default voids the warranty. I would think from a legal standpoint that denying a client RMA because he/she OC'd the unit has no legal justification - and certainly can't be imposed retroactively. Perhaps Bitmain should add that to it's site or manuals - for new orders of course. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 02:37:16 AM I see no mention anywhere that overclocking voids the warranty.
BITMAIN'S OWN OP THREAD - TITLE EVEN STATES - OVERCLOCK POTENTIAL http://s26.postimg.org/ce4gmuik9/Bitmain_S5_Op_Thread_on_Bitcointalk_Stratobitz.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/rzls6suid/full/) PRODUCT PAGE: http://s26.postimg.org/yyzu65ugp/Bitmain_S5_Product_Description_Screengrab_Feb_04.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/jdiim7iid/full/) TERMS OF SERVICE http://s26.postimg.org/ur51xet15/Bitmain_TOS_Screen_Grab_Feb_04_2015.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/462j1uqnp/full/) WARRANTY INFO http://s26.postimg.org/f6xo6viwp/Bitmain_Warranty_Screen_Grab_Feb_04_2015.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6bwtwcu45/full/) Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 05, 2015, 03:00:00 AM Whenever you post your next resource, please make it exceptionally clear that overclocking will void a user's warranty. I am not sure that is necessary as most mining rig owners know that OC'ing voids the warranty. In any case, it is bitmain's responsibility to advise its customers about the terms of the warranty, and to my knowledge, I have never seen any official bitmain literature to that effect, bearing in mind that the so called overclocking frequencies ship as selectable options (on the S5 at least)! Yeah, as we see above / below - someone with many, many S5s who is overclocking and suggesting others do the same didn't know. Overclocking voids the warranty? Then why is it a drop down option in the control panel of your software which ships with the units. I'm not trying to start a fight here. But I find that it's ridiculous to put an option to set a frequency higher than 350 with a simple dropdown menu - in your own software - and there be no warning whatsoever - and that BM would deny a warranty claim. Yes it does. I can't really answer on behalf of the other questions as its not my rules. I added an overclocking question to the wiki (https://support.bitmain.com/wikis/86). Quote Is overclocking allowed? Users may overclock at their own risk but overclocking WILL invalidate the product warranty. This is a more official quote if you will, there is a bigger quote but this is the best one I can find with search as it is. Over Clocking will void your warranty on the unit, please be careful :'( Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pekatete on February 05, 2015, 03:09:21 AM Overclocking voids the warranty? Then why is it a drop down option in the control panel of your software which ships with the units. I'm not trying to start a fight here. But I find that it's ridiculous to put an option to set a frequency higher than 350 with a simple dropdown menu - in your own software - and there be no warning whatsoever - and that BM would deny a warranty claim. Yes it does. I can't really answer on behalf of the other questions as its not my rules. I added an overclocking question to the wiki (https://support.bitmain.com/wikis/86). Quote Is overclocking allowed? Users may overclock at their own risk but overclocking WILL invalidate the product warranty. This is a more official quote if you will, there is a bigger quote but this is the best one I can find with search as it is. Over Clocking will void your warranty on the unit, please be careful :'( That is your usual waffle! There is NO official literature on overclocking voiding the warranty, and your quotes, wiki additions and public forum quotes by a bitmain employee can not be used as binding statements to bitmain. Like I said, waffle as usual! Add to that, Strato (or anyone) is not obliged in any way to add a warning to their threads regarding any statement as to OC'ing voiding their warranty, if only because even bitmain themselves do not mention that anywhere authoritatively. You, dogie, are a simple dogs-body for bitmain, toothless dog if you want, as your assertions are not worth the digital ink that they are written in (let alone have the force to void a bitmain warranty)! PS: And stop being off-topic here, if you are so concerned about the warranty warning, go and open a thread in the scam accusation subforum or press your favourite link to report to the moderator. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: MrTeal on February 05, 2015, 03:37:03 AM Curving the blades essentially allows you to pack the blades closer together, so it will increase surface area at the expense of increased resistance to flow. It's essentially the same as using shorter fins, but packing them closer together so you have more of them. It makes machining the heatsink easier for the same surface area though, so there are good reasons to do it.
Stratobiz, have you tried just removing the box fan? They definitely move a lot of air, but the linear velocity of the box fan is going to be quite a bit lower than the big Deltas. It'd be interesting to see how much of a benefit there really is. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: philipma1957 on February 05, 2015, 03:39:40 AM Curving the blades essentially allows you to pack the blades closer together, so it will increase surface area at the expense of increased resistance to flow. It's essentially the same as using shorter fins, but packing them closer together so you have more of them. It makes machining the heatsink easier for the same surface area though, so there are good reasons to do it. along his idea use this idea:Stratobiz, have you tried just removing the box fan? They definitely move a lot of air, but the linear velocity of the box fan is going to be quite a bit lower than the big Deltas. It'd be interesting to see how much of a benefit there really is. use the box fan as a pull on top of the s-5's Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 03:47:17 AM Whenever you post your next resource, please make it exceptionally clear that overclocking will void a user's warranty. I am not sure that is necessary as most mining rig owners know that OC'ing voids the warranty. In any case, it is bitmain's responsibility to advise its customers about the terms of the warranty, and to my knowledge, I have never seen any official bitmain literature to that effect, bearing in mind that the so called overclocking frequencies ship as selectable options (on the S5 at least)! Yeah, as we see above / below - someone with many, many S5s who is overclocking and suggesting others do the same didn't know. Overclocking voids the warranty? Then why is it a drop down option in the control panel of your software which ships with the units. I'm not trying to start a fight here. But I find that it's ridiculous to put an option to set a frequency higher than 350 with a simple dropdown menu - in your own software - and there be no warning whatsoever - and that BM would deny a warranty claim. Yes it does. I can't really answer on behalf of the other questions as its not my rules. I added an overclocking question to the wiki (https://support.bitmain.com/wikis/86). Quote Is overclocking allowed? Users may overclock at their own risk but overclocking WILL invalidate the product warranty. This is a more official quote if you will, there is a bigger quote but this is the best one I can find with search as it is. Over Clocking will void your warranty on the unit, please be careful :'( To me this seems: 1.) Shady: Bitmain advertises the product on its own thread as a device with "Overclock Potential". No where is it clearly stated that doing so voids your warranty. In order to find this "Phantom Warranty Policy" one must first dig through a Wiki, where the information is buried. I didn't even know there was a wiki. 2.) Perhaps not in China; but here in the USA we have Consumer Protection Acts on both a state and Federal Level. From what I understand BM now operates offices/has employees within the borders of the US. These laws do not like hidden fine print, and having a business presence and conducting business here in the states would give the states and the Federal Government personal jurisdiction to enforce these laws. These laws cover things like Intentional Misrepresentation to Mislead, and because Im now slighly upset my topic has been derailed: Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress. Both of which are subject to punitive damages as well as Treble Damages. 3.) I'll add it to my post - HOWEVER - Bitmain should be forthcoming about this policy if in fact this is the case. 4.) I had an S3+ go bad - It WAS overclocked. Bitmain was very helpful and responsive and swapped it out for me. 5.) I am in no way badmouthing Bitmain. I love their products. I run 60 S3+ Units (Roughly) and 24 S5 Units. I have only had a single failure. Thats really great in my opinion considering how high defect rates are on name brand consumer electronics. So +1 for BitMain. What I would like; and I feel the community deserves, is a response from Bitmain from Bitmain's account. They should clarify their position. And if this claim is true, they should add this information to the Warranty Section of their website at the very least. Lastly; I purchased my units with my Amex Platinum; which extends all warranties on all products for 1 Year past the manufacturers warranty. This is a great feature, however I doubt Ill be running these 15 months from now considering difficulty. I'd just like to add that we have gotten sorely off topic here: I put together a diagram as a reference community members could use. I did this on my own time, and have given it freely without asking for any compensation. Dogie... Respectfully: From the start of this thread you have responded with nothing but comments that come off as harboring animosity that myself as well as other miners are getting hash rates which are nearly 15-20% faster than the units were rated at-- and do not deserve. As if we are in the wrong and Bitmain got the short end of the stick by not charging more. How about a "Wow, great concept", not just to me but to all the other members who have contributed to this new technology system. You all know who you are. Ill refrain from going through names simply because I don't want to miss anyone and the list is long. Dogie, I read your Guide as well; but personally found it the least useful in terms of how to get the most out of your miner; best setup practices; tips and tricks, etc. It was pictures mostly of things I have no need to see on a macro level. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 04:08:37 AM Curving the blades essentially allows you to pack the blades closer together, so it will increase surface area at the expense of increased resistance to flow. It's essentially the same as using shorter fins, but packing them closer together so you have more of them. It makes machining the heatsink easier for the same surface area though, so there are good reasons to do it. I think this is for the most part spot on, however I do not believe that airflow resistance is increased with the air flow running parallel with the curve of the blade/fin. Stratobiz, have you tried just removing the box fan? They definitely move a lot of air, but the linear velocity of the box fan is going to be quite a bit lower than the big Deltas. It'd be interesting to see how much of a benefit there really is. I could be wrong, but I believe that resistance is only increased when the airflow moves over the blade like the wing of an airplane. I haven't tried a 2nd Fan. May give it a shot. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 04:13:00 AM Curving the blades essentially allows you to pack the blades closer together, so it will increase surface area at the expense of increased resistance to flow. It's essentially the same as using shorter fins, but packing them closer together so you have more of them. It makes machining the heatsink easier for the same surface area though, so there are good reasons to do it. along his idea use this idea:Stratobiz, have you tried just removing the box fan? They definitely move a lot of air, but the linear velocity of the box fan is going to be quite a bit lower than the big Deltas. It'd be interesting to see how much of a benefit there really is. use the box fan as a pull on top of the s-5's Philip are you suggesting using 2 Fans in a push pull config? My only thought is the config I came up with funnels all exhaust directly up. Its pretty warm air- and those box fans are PVS plastic. I think over time the blades of the box fan would warp due to the warm air heating the fan blades and the friction caused by the air the blades are pulling upwards. You could end up with a back draft effect where warped blades result in choppy airflow and cooling may be impacted. Just my thoughts. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 05, 2015, 04:16:34 AM From the start of this thread you have responded with nothing but comments that come off as harboring animosity that myself as well as other miners are getting hash rates which are nearly 15-20% faster than the units were rated at-- and do not deserve. As if we are in the wrong and Bitmain got the short end of the stick by not charging more. How about a "Wow, great concept", not just to me but to all the other members who have contributed to this new technology system. You all know who you are. Ill refrain from going through names simply because I don't want to miss anyone and the list is long. ??? I asked how you were proposing to make huge gains, you replied it was overclocking [which by the way, is not new 'technology' and you're far from the first to overclock an S5]. I asked you to then make sure that you make it clear to people that this will also invalidate their warranty - which you seemd to not be aware of. What is the problem with that? Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 04:19:58 AM From the start of this thread you have responded with nothing but comments that come off as harboring animosity that myself as well as other miners are getting hash rates which are nearly 15-20% faster than the units were rated at-- and do not deserve. As if we are in the wrong and Bitmain got the short end of the stick by not charging more. How about a "Wow, great concept", not just to me but to all the other members who have contributed to this new technology system. You all know who you are. Ill refrain from going through names simply because I don't want to miss anyone and the list is long. ??? I asked how you were proposing to make huge gains, you replied it was overclocking [which by the way, is not new 'technology' and you're far from the first to overclock an S5]. I asked you to then make sure that you make it clear to people that this will also invalidate their warranty - which you seemd to not be aware of. What is the problem with that? My guide; which has yet to be posted; has nothing to do with over clocking. It improves accepted hash rates at any frequency using....actually... You can read the guide when I post it. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dog1965 on February 05, 2015, 04:27:02 AM Strato - nice concepts applied here .... still out on the extra cost of that huge fan though ... They're designed EXACTLY to trap the flow and prevent it from escaping. Thats nonsense. With the fan that ships with the S5, there's no chane of trapping anything between the blades. In any case, why trap the heat in the first place? You want that air to continue down the entire length of the blades before being allowed to exit, else you end up with an even larger temperature gradient down the blades. Thats waffle. The curved design also adds significant surface area [heat transfer] for the same amount of material and volume. Absolute nonsense! You mean the same material occupies less area when curved. Curving does NOT increase surface area (let alone significantly). As a last point, passive convection effects are almost negligible in regards to heat removal when you have active convection operating. So what's this all about then? "They're designed EXACTLY to trap the flow and prevent it from escaping." Yea. he is a waffle alright lol lol Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 05, 2015, 04:33:49 AM My guide; which has yet to be posted; has nothing to do with over clocking. It improves accepted hash rates at any frequency using....actually... You can read the guide when I post it. improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package That's a pretty bold claim right there. So a stock S5 will get 1328Gh by a script? Overclocked yes. Im running poolside averages of 1280-1320ish on the units. ??? I don't think those two statements can co-exist. Well.... lets see what you come up with anyway. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 04:41:15 AM My guide; which has yet to be posted; has nothing to do with over clocking. It improves accepted hash rates at any frequency using....actually... You can read the guide when I post it. improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package That's a pretty bold claim right there. So a stock S5 will get 1328Gh by a script? Overclocked yes. Im running poolside averages of 1280-1320ish on the units. ??? I don't think those two statements can co-exist. Well.... lets see what you come up with anyway. Our system is nothing "new" per se. Its just not: 1.) Well Documented Elsewhere, and 2.) Not widely used. Most miners arent even aware of these options. We just got the S5 units up and only ran a small test. Our 60 S3+ units are however using the system. Nice gains. I see no reason why the results wouldn't be similar, but its is why we have not yet posted as we want to run tests before publishing information that might not be fully tested. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: MrTeal on February 05, 2015, 04:43:24 AM Curving the blades essentially allows you to pack the blades closer together, so it will increase surface area at the expense of increased resistance to flow. It's essentially the same as using shorter fins, but packing them closer together so you have more of them. It makes machining the heatsink easier for the same surface area though, so there are good reasons to do it. I think this is for the most part spot on, however I do not believe that airflow resistance is increased with the air flow running parallel with the curve of the blade/fin. Stratobiz, have you tried just removing the box fan? They definitely move a lot of air, but the linear velocity of the box fan is going to be quite a bit lower than the big Deltas. It'd be interesting to see how much of a benefit there really is. I could be wrong, but I believe that resistance is only increased when the airflow moves over the blade like the wing of an airplane. I haven't tried a 2nd Fan. May give it a shot. Strato It's the same principle that causes you to have more head pressure loss running 1 gal/min through four 1/2" pipes than through one 1" pipe, even though the internal area is the same. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 04:50:51 AM Curving the blades essentially allows you to pack the blades closer together, so it will increase surface area at the expense of increased resistance to flow. It's essentially the same as using shorter fins, but packing them closer together so you have more of them. It makes machining the heatsink easier for the same surface area though, so there are good reasons to do it. I think this is for the most part spot on, however I do not believe that airflow resistance is increased with the air flow running parallel with the curve of the blade/fin. Stratobiz, have you tried just removing the box fan? They definitely move a lot of air, but the linear velocity of the box fan is going to be quite a bit lower than the big Deltas. It'd be interesting to see how much of a benefit there really is. I could be wrong, but I believe that resistance is only increased when the airflow moves over the blade like the wing of an airplane. I haven't tried a 2nd Fan. May give it a shot. Strato It's the same principle that causes you to have more head pressure loss running 1 gal/min through four 1/2" pipes than through one 1" pipe, even though the internal area is the same. I see. I misunderstood your original post. That is correct. Same concept as water flowing through a pipe. Thanks! Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: jmumich on February 05, 2015, 05:46:41 AM From the start of this thread you have responded with nothing but comments that come off as harboring animosity that myself as well as other miners are getting hash rates which are nearly 15-20% faster than the units were rated at-- and do not deserve. As if we are in the wrong and Bitmain got the short end of the stick by not charging more. How about a "Wow, great concept", not just to me but to all the other members who have contributed to this new technology system. You all know who you are. Ill refrain from going through names simply because I don't want to miss anyone and the list is long. ??? I asked how you were proposing to make huge gains, you replied it was overclocking [which by the way, is not new 'technology' and you're far from the first to overclock an S5]. I asked you to then make sure that you make it clear to people that this will also invalidate their warranty - which you seemd to not be aware of. What is the problem with that? If Bitmain doesn't make it clear, then why should he? If overclocking voids the warranty, Bitmain should say so, clearly and conspicuously. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Bicknellski on February 05, 2015, 05:56:42 AM Overclocking voids the warranty? Then why is it a drop down option in the control panel of your software which ships with the units. I'm not trying to start a fight here. But I find that it's ridiculous to put an option to set a frequency higher than 350 with a simple dropdown menu - in your own software - and there be no warning whatsoever - and that BM would deny a warranty claim. Yes it does. I can't really answer on behalf of the other questions as its not my rules. I added an overclocking question to the wiki (https://support.bitmain.com/wikis/86). Quote Is overclocking allowed? Users may overclock at their own risk but overclocking WILL invalidate the product warranty. This is a more official quote if you will, there is a bigger quote but this is the best one I can find with search as it is. Over Clocking will void your warranty on the unit, please be careful :'( That is your usual waffle! There is NO official literature on overclocking voiding the warranty, and your quotes, wiki additions and public forum quotes by a bitmain employee can not be used as binding statements to bitmain. Like I said, waffle as usual! Add to that, Strato (or anyone) is not obliged in any way to add a warning to their threads regarding any statement as to OC'ing voiding their warranty, if only because even bitmain themselves do not mention that anywhere authoritatively. You, dogie, are a simple dogs-body for bitmain, toothless dog if you want, as your assertions are not worth the digital ink that they are written in (let alone have the force to void a bitmain warranty)! PS: And stop being off-topic here, if you are so concerned about the warranty warning, go and open a thread in the scam accusation subforum or press your favourite link to report to the moderator. My guess he couldn't get the thread moved out of hardware when he reported it as being in the wrong section of the forum and as he is not being paid to promote strato's offering he wants to limit his potential customer base for whatever reason. On topic: Interesting idea but really costs would be prohibitive to make this viable for home users. Everything is a loss at this point. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: toptekk on February 05, 2015, 05:58:00 AM Curving the blades essentially allows you to pack the blades closer together, so it will increase surface area at the expense of increased resistance to flow. It's essentially the same as using shorter fins, but packing them closer together so you have more of them. It makes machining the heatsink easier for the same surface area though, so there are good reasons to do it. I think this is for the most part spot on, however I do not believe that airflow resistance is increased with the air flow running parallel with the curve of the blade/fin. Stratobiz, have you tried just removing the box fan? They definitely move a lot of air, but the linear velocity of the box fan is going to be quite a bit lower than the big Deltas. It'd be interesting to see how much of a benefit there really is. I could be wrong, but I believe that resistance is only increased when the airflow moves over the blade like the wing of an airplane. I haven't tried a 2nd Fan. May give it a shot. Strato Home depot was out of box fans when i went there to day i had t order one due on 11th to my house . once i read this i knew i had do it . ty can't wait for the software end of it now. if you have a BtC address i can send something let me know it won't be much but some thing for a few beers if you drink them . Sorry about that pst I sent , I was wondering if you were working with that guy. well any way I'm glad some thing like this is here. My next buy is a https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/ I discovered to day Webb hunting. wait i got your BTC you sold me two coupons i can't get them to fix my other account, i sent two pst so far, I' m about the spam them for a fix, a day or so after the forums crashed, i had my other account for two days then it crashed and came back with wrong pass word, Ive been sending me emails they don't come . Cya Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 06:07:26 AM Curving the blades essentially allows you to pack the blades closer together, so it will increase surface area at the expense of increased resistance to flow. It's essentially the same as using shorter fins, but packing them closer together so you have more of them. It makes machining the heatsink easier for the same surface area though, so there are good reasons to do it. I think this is for the most part spot on, however I do not believe that airflow resistance is increased with the air flow running parallel with the curve of the blade/fin. Stratobiz, have you tried just removing the box fan? They definitely move a lot of air, but the linear velocity of the box fan is going to be quite a bit lower than the big Deltas. It'd be interesting to see how much of a benefit there really is. I could be wrong, but I believe that resistance is only increased when the airflow moves over the blade like the wing of an airplane. I haven't tried a 2nd Fan. May give it a shot. Strato Home depot was out of box fans when i went there to day i had t order one due on 11th to my house . once i read this i knew i had do it . ty can't wait for the software end of it now. if you have a BtC address i can send something let me know it won't be much but some thing for a few beers if you drink them . Sorry about that pst I sent , I was wondering if you were working with that guy. well any way I'm glad some thing like this is here. My next buy is a https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/ I discovered to day Webb hunting. Cya No worries and no payment is necessary. Yea sorry my response to your PM may have seemed odd, but I had no clue what you were talking about and thought you perhaps PM'd the wrong person. ;) Good luck! Also This is a MUST: Pro-Tie Brand Zip Ties. Yes they are more expensive. But they dont snap, break, or become brittle over time. 100% Worth It. Amazon Sells every length. The long ones (30" and Up) are like $1 each but you can literally ZipTie a 30 Lb Large Object to the Ceiling and it stays put. Heres their product line: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_sr_hi?ie=UTF8&field-brandtextbin=Pro+Tie&node=228013 Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: toptekk on February 05, 2015, 06:14:09 AM Curving the blades essentially allows you to pack the blades closer together, so it will increase surface area at the expense of increased resistance to flow. It's essentially the same as using shorter fins, but packing them closer together so you have more of them. It makes machining the heatsink easier for the same surface area though, so there are good reasons to do it. I think this is for the most part spot on, however I do not believe that airflow resistance is increased with the air flow running parallel with the curve of the blade/fin. Stratobiz, have you tried just removing the box fan? They definitely move a lot of air, but the linear velocity of the box fan is going to be quite a bit lower than the big Deltas. It'd be interesting to see how much of a benefit there really is. I could be wrong, but I believe that resistance is only increased when the airflow moves over the blade like the wing of an airplane. I haven't tried a 2nd Fan. May give it a shot. Strato Home depot was out of box fans when i went there to day i had t order one due on 11th to my house . once i read this i knew i had do it . ty can't wait for the software end of it now. if you have a BtC address i can send something let me know it won't be much but some thing for a few beers if you drink them . Sorry about that pst I sent , I was wondering if you were working with that guy. well any way I'm glad some thing like this is here. My next buy is a https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/ I discovered to day Webb hunting. Cya No worries and no payment is necessary. Yea sorry my response to your PM may have seemed odd, but I had no clue what you were talking about and thought you perhaps PM'd the wrong person. ;) Good luck! Also This is a MUST: Pro-Tie Brand Zip Ties. Yes they are more expensive. But they dont snap, break, or become brittle over time. 100% Worth It. Amazon Sells every length. The long ones (30" and Up) are like $1 each but you can literally ZipTie a 30 Lb Large Object to the Ceiling and it stays put. Heres their product line: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_sr_hi?ie=UTF8&field-brandtextbin=Pro+Tie&node=228013 Strato I got the ties from home depot for now . ty for that link ordering some off amazon. cya Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 06:36:59 AM Here's a snapshot of one miner: http://s26.postimg.org/xp6m4uq2h/020515.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/tg1w2omt1/full/) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: SockPuppetAccount on February 05, 2015, 09:55:06 AM Is that your bed next to an SP20 & a S5? Do you sleep with industrial ear muffs strapped to your head? ;D That is dedication. Definitely could keep a eye on it that way though. I personally keep them out of bedrooms :) You stop being able to hear it after a while, its surprising what level of noise can become the baseline. Its also a lot easier because miner noise is perfectly level. I own a very small house. Only 400 square feet total. So, I have no choice but to keep mining equipment within my living space. Also, I am an on and off smoker and like a clean smelling house, so I run a HEPA air purifier on turbo speed 24/7. I sleep like a baby with 2 SP20s and 2 S5s running at full tilt about 3 feet away from me. If I turn off every fan in the house, it is uncomfortably quiet. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: mavericklm on February 05, 2015, 10:18:30 AM If I turn off every fan in the house, it is uncomfortably quiet. 200% true! :))))) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: philipma1957 on February 05, 2015, 01:48:54 PM Curving the blades essentially allows you to pack the blades closer together, so it will increase surface area at the expense of increased resistance to flow. It's essentially the same as using shorter fins, but packing them closer together so you have more of them. It makes machining the heatsink easier for the same surface area though, so there are good reasons to do it. along his idea use this idea:Stratobiz, have you tried just removing the box fan? They definitely move a lot of air, but the linear velocity of the box fan is going to be quite a bit lower than the big Deltas. It'd be interesting to see how much of a benefit there really is. use the box fan as a pull on top of the s-5's Philip are you suggesting using 2 Fans in a push pull config? My only thought is the config I came up with funnels all exhaust directly up. Its pretty warm air- and those box fans are PVS plastic. I think over time the blades of the box fan would warp due to the warm air heating the fan blades and the friction caused by the air the blades are pulling upwards. You could end up with a back draft effect where warped blades result in choppy airflow and cooling may be impacted. Just my thoughts. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: MrTeal on February 05, 2015, 02:26:55 PM No offense, but if your exhaust air is hot enough to melt or warp plastic, you aren't moving anywhere near enough air. :) Six S5's is still only ~4kW, which isn't that much heat. If that box fan actually moved 2500CFM as claimed, you'd be talking about an air temperature rise of ~3C.
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: HolgerDansk on February 05, 2015, 07:28:23 PM Stand the Miner Vertical. Set it up like I drafted it out in my Op Post. See the heat difference. See the OC capability difference. Yesterday I tried just simply standing my S5's vertical. The temps dropped. Strange, but Strato's right. With mine, I pointed the airflow down to the floor, since cool air is coming in from a window above the miners. With the miners laying horizontal, and cool outside air pouring at the intake fans and on top, they run hotter than when it's vertical. Thanks for that tip Strato. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 09:11:34 PM Stand the Miner Vertical. Set it up like I drafted it out in my Op Post. See the heat difference. See the OC capability difference. Yesterday I tried just simply standing my S5's vertical. The temps dropped. Strange, but Strato's right. With mine, I pointed the airflow down to the floor, since cool air is coming in from a window above the miners. With the miners laying horizontal, and cool outside air pouring at the intake fans and on top, they run hotter than when it's vertical. Thanks for that tip Strato. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 09:15:02 PM No offense, but if your exhaust air is hot enough to melt or warp plastic, you aren't moving anywhere near enough air. :) Six S5's is still only ~4kW, which isn't that much heat. If that box fan actually moved 2500CFM as claimed, you'd be talking about an air temperature rise of ~3C. I dont think its a matter of melting... But rather simply the fan blades of the top mounted box fan being subjected to 100 F or warmer airflow over long periods of time. The blades may deform slowly. Im running 24 units in 4 banks of 6. Only a single mounted box fan as illustrated in my first post. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 05, 2015, 09:17:58 PM No offense, but if your exhaust air is hot enough to melt or warp plastic, you aren't moving anywhere near enough air. :) Six S5's is still only ~4kW, which isn't that much heat. If that box fan actually moved 2500CFM as claimed, you'd be talking about an air temperature rise of ~3C. I dont think its a matter of melting... But rather simply the fan blades of the top mounted box fan being subjected to 100 F or warmer airflow over long periods of time. The blades may deform slowly. Im running 24 units in 4 banks of 6. Only a single mounted box fan as illustrated in my first post. Mr Teal mentioned the plastic warping temps as a symptom of the problem, not as the problem itself. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: MrTeal on February 05, 2015, 09:25:29 PM No offense, but if your exhaust air is hot enough to melt or warp plastic, you aren't moving anywhere near enough air. :) Six S5's is still only ~4kW, which isn't that much heat. If that box fan actually moved 2500CFM as claimed, you'd be talking about an air temperature rise of ~3C. I dont think its a matter of melting... But rather simply the fan blades of the top mounted box fan being subjected to 100 F or warmer airflow over long periods of time. The blades may deform slowly. Im running 24 units in 4 banks of 6. Only a single mounted box fan as illustrated in my first post. Strato http://www.matweb.com/reference/deflection-temperature.aspx Even if your input air is 40C, your exhaust air will still be under 50C. I don't think the S5 would operate in much over 40C ambient, although that would be fun for someone to try. :) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: HolgerDansk on February 05, 2015, 09:26:19 PM Stand the Miner Vertical. Set it up like I drafted it out in my Op Post. See the heat difference. See the OC capability difference. Yesterday I tried just simply standing my S5's vertical. The temps dropped. Strange, but Strato's right. With mine, I pointed the airflow down to the floor, since cool air is coming in from a window above the miners. With the miners laying horizontal, and cool outside air pouring at the intake fans and on top, they run hotter than when it's vertical. Thanks for that tip Strato. Strato Yes, I am venting down. Only because of the height of my window bringing in cool air, which dumps neatly above the miners, so I wanted to pull that cool air in as it naturally flows from above the miners. I knew venting up, would be more logical. But with the cool air coming from above the miners, I thought I'd give it a try. It lowered my temps. Thanks again! Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: MrTeal on February 05, 2015, 09:29:50 PM Stand the Miner Vertical. Set it up like I drafted it out in my Op Post. See the heat difference. See the OC capability difference. Yesterday I tried just simply standing my S5's vertical. The temps dropped. Strange, but Strato's right. With mine, I pointed the airflow down to the floor, since cool air is coming in from a window above the miners. With the miners laying horizontal, and cool outside air pouring at the intake fans and on top, they run hotter than when it's vertical. Thanks for that tip Strato. Strato Yes, I am venting down. Only because of the height of my window bringing in cool air, which dumps neatly above the miners, so I wanted to pull that cool air in as it naturally flows from above the miners. I knew venting up, would be more logical. But with the cool air coming from above the miners, I thought I'd give it a try. It lowered my temps. Thanks again! Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 05, 2015, 09:30:21 PM While I have yet to try I believe that doing a vertical miner setup with the S3+ Units would also improve cooling. Warm air exhausting directly upwards at floor level will result in the least amount of exhaust air being recycled back into the intake as warm air rises all on its own.
Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: HolgerDansk on February 05, 2015, 10:05:26 PM If you really want to lower temps, duct the window so that all the air is forced to flow through the miners. Not only will it ensure that the input air is at ambient instead of being hot air recirculated around from the exhaust, but it will help suck more air in from the window. Perfect idea. I'll have to set that up this weekend. Thanks. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 06, 2015, 02:09:58 PM While I have yet to try I believe that doing a vertical miner setup with the S3+ Units would also improve cooling. Warm air exhausting directly upwards at floor level will result in the least amount of exhaust air being recycled back into the intake as warm air rises all on its own. Vertical airflow sucks for actually dealing with that heat once it comes off the units, so unless you're in a multifloored data centre with floor to ceiling airflow, you're just making it more difficult to expel that heat. At least with horizontal flow you can then DO something with it, ie move it elsewhere / outside. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: mavericklm on February 06, 2015, 03:01:21 PM Vertical airflow sucks for actually dealing with that heat once it comes off the units, so unless you're in a multifloored data centre with floor to ceiling airflow, you're just making it more difficult to expel that heat. At least with horizontal flow you can then DO something with it, ie move it elsewhere / outside. so much bullshit... the point is hot air rises and cold air descends, but that is hard to understand for you :P Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pekatete on February 06, 2015, 03:22:49 PM Vertical airflow sucks for actually dealing with that heat once it comes off the units, so unless you're in a multifloored data centre with floor to ceiling airflow, you're just making it more difficult to expel that heat. At least with horizontal flow you can then DO something with it, ie move it elsewhere / outside. so much bullshit... the point is hot air rises and cold air descends, but that is hard to understand for you :P And what exactly is that which you can do with horizontal airflow that you can not do with vertical airflow in a non data-centre setting? I'll, for the umpteenth time, put it down to dogie-waffle. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: kreativling on February 06, 2015, 03:42:56 PM Strato thank you for sharing this idea of vertical mounting. I just tried it out the last few hours and had some interesting results:
1. Avg. temps are the same, but before the S5 was laying on the floor, now it is 1m higher, so the room temperature there is 1 or 2 degrees higher for sure - so the cooling of the unit must have improved 2. One blade was always at least 5 or 6 degrees hotter before, now it is only 2 or 3 degrees, sometimes even the same temps 3. Hashrate has only slightly improved (still waiting for long term results) 4. HW error rate is down appr. 15% I will continue with the vertical setup and see where it goes. Thanks again. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 06, 2015, 09:00:15 PM Vertical airflow sucks for actually dealing with that heat once it comes off the units, so unless you're in a multifloored data centre with floor to ceiling airflow, you're just making it more difficult to expel that heat. At least with horizontal flow you can then DO something with it, ie move it elsewhere / outside. so much bullshit... the point is hot air rises and cold air descends, but that is hard to understand for you :P And what exactly is that which you can do with horizontal airflow that you can not do with vertical airflow in a non data-centre setting? I'll, for the umpteenth time, put it down to dogie-waffle. Move it out the room? I don't know about you guys but I don't have doors / windows on my ceiling... Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: kreativling on February 06, 2015, 09:46:59 PM Vertical airflow sucks for actually dealing with that heat once it comes off the units, so unless you're in a multifloored data centre with floor to ceiling airflow, you're just making it more difficult to expel that heat. At least with horizontal flow you can then DO something with it, ie move it elsewhere / outside. so much bullshit... the point is hot air rises and cold air descends, but that is hard to understand for you :P And what exactly is that which you can do with horizontal airflow that you can not do with vertical airflow in a non data-centre setting? I'll, for the umpteenth time, put it down to dogie-waffle. A wise man changes his mind, a fool never will... Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dropt on February 06, 2015, 09:49:38 PM Move it out the room? I don't know about you guys but I don't have doors / windows on my ceiling... Yes, and ducting doesn't exist in this world. ::) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 06, 2015, 09:55:38 PM Move it out the room? I don't know about you guys but I don't have doors / windows on my ceiling... Yes, and ducting doesn't exist in this world. Of which there is not one mention here. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pekatete on February 06, 2015, 10:00:04 PM Move it out the room? I don't know about you guys but I don't have doors / windows on my ceiling... Yes, and ducting doesn't exist in this world. Of which there is not one mention here. In any case, what sort of windows and doors do you have on your house that will refuse to let vertically exhausted heat out? Do you live in a gnome house, have floor vents for windows & trap doors for access or is your house built atop a black hole where the natural laws of physics, aka heat rising, do not apply? A wise man changes his mind, a fool never will... Spot on there @kreativling Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: fullzero on February 07, 2015, 01:49:43 AM I have to say in Boston it is about 15 degree F. If I open a window I feel the cold air passing down from the window to the floor; it would probably take 4 or 5 thousand watts to increase the ambient temperature to anywhere near the level where this would not happen with the window open. I know this because last year I maxed out all the circuits in my apartment ~6.3 k watts.
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Finksy on February 07, 2015, 02:08:03 AM Overclocking voids the warranty? Then why is it a drop down option in the control panel of your software which ships with the units. I'm not trying to start a fight here. But I find that it's ridiculous to put an option to set a frequency higher than 350 with a simple dropdown menu - in your own software - and there be no warning whatsoever - and that BM would deny a warranty claim. Yes it does. I can't really answer on behalf of the other questions as its not my rules. I added an overclocking question to the wiki (https://support.bitmain.com/wikis/86). Quote Is overclocking allowed? Users may overclock at their own risk but overclocking WILL invalidate the product warranty. This is a more official quote if you will, there is a bigger quote but this is the best one I can find with search as it is. Over Clocking will void your warranty on the unit, please be careful :'( That is your usual waffle! There is NO official literature on overclocking voiding the warranty, and your quotes, wiki additions and public forum quotes by a bitmain employee can not be used as binding statements to bitmain. Like I said, waffle as usual! Add to that, Strato (or anyone) is not obliged in any way to add a warning to their threads regarding any statement as to OC'ing voiding their warranty, if only because even bitmain themselves do not mention that anywhere authoritatively. You, dogie, are a simple dogs-body for bitmain, toothless dog if you want, as your assertions are not worth the digital ink that they are written in (let alone have the force to void a bitmain warranty)! PS: And stop being off-topic here, if you are so concerned about the warranty warning, go and open a thread in the scam accusation subforum or press your favourite link to report to the moderator. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DV4i4_CGLcE/ULIjZ0bCmUI/AAAAAAAAAKA/VSMocw04p3E/s1600/facebook_like_button_big.jpeg X 1,000,000. Spot on. So Dogie, is it expected that if somebody who doesn't belong to this forum purchases Bitmain's equipment through their website, they should have to search out 1 quote on an online forum to realize that making use of a built-in feature voids their warranty? Without ANY mention in the software, literature or on the website? Get real... Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: philipma1957 on February 07, 2015, 04:16:15 AM I mounted my lone s-5 pointed to the ceiling. I am overclocked to freq 412.
results with window shut I will open window and show resuls in the morning. it is 20f in New Jersey window will open 1 inch. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/905/LKkVFe.png Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: MyRig on February 07, 2015, 04:24:22 AM Wow, its a bit hotter on the temp but this is hanging from the ceiling? (High in the air where it is warmer than the floor?)
I mounted my lone s-5 pointed to the ceiling. I am overclocked to freq 412. results with window shut I will open window and show resuls in the morning. it is 20f in New Jersey window will open 1 inch. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/905/LKkVFe.png Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 07, 2015, 05:03:19 AM I wonder, simply out of curiosity alone, if reversing the airflow - basically flipping the fan over... "Shes gone from Suck to Blow!" would result in better or worse cooling.
Strato (Hopefully some of you got the Space Balls reference) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: huffdaddy5 on February 07, 2015, 05:39:41 AM Wow, its a bit hotter on the temp but this is hanging from the ceiling? (High in the air where it is warmer than the floor?) I think he's just saying that he mounted it so it would stand vertical and it's blowing towards the ceiling..I mounted my lone s-5 pointed to the ceiling. I am overclocked to freq 412. results with window shut I will open window and show resuls in the morning. it is 20f in New Jersey window will open 1 inch. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/905/LKkVFe.png Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 07, 2015, 08:26:30 AM Wow, its a bit hotter on the temp but this is hanging from the ceiling? (High in the air where it is warmer than the floor?) I think he's just saying that he mounted it so it would stand vertical and it's blowing towards the ceiling..I mounted my lone s-5 pointed to the ceiling. I am overclocked to freq 412. results with window shut I will open window and show resuls in the morning. it is 20f in New Jersey window will open 1 inch. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/905/LKkVFe.png Personally I think we should let Philip clarify... Phil, did you simply point the miner towards the ceiling as your post says, or did you in fact mount/glue or tape the S5 "to the ceiling". ;) Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: mavericklm on February 07, 2015, 08:40:40 AM maybe he made a hole in the ceiling so that he can see the roof from the room.
and he put the miner right under the hole, pushing the air in the attic :o :o :o :o :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: philipma1957 on February 07, 2015, 12:50:47 PM no it is on the floor next to the spare bed. I just checked it and the room is too cold with the window open. Here are the numbers on the 1 piece.
I will post some photos later. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/905/9BzvHm.png that is a stainless steel grill it allows cold air to be sucked up from the floor. it was 73f on the floor with the window closed http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/673/1T57d0.jpg window was open last night that 9 volt battery is for scale http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/540/n5I5nm.jpg the grill is spaced to let air in http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/910/dz8NbJ.jpg close look at the ss grill http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/538/HRkmxz.jpg the actual fan grill is spaced about ½ inch http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/661/cxGCYG.jpg Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: judypug1956 on February 07, 2015, 01:12:40 PM Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: philipma1957 on February 07, 2015, 01:14:04 PM Dogie is correct that the air escapes from the bottom and top of the unit. see this photo.
Dogie is wrong that it is not cooler at least in my case. It is cooler this way with 1 unit in a 12 by 12 by 7.5 very well insulated room. It is 1 or 2 f cooler with the window shut. It is 4 or 5 f cooler with the window open and outside air was 15 or 16 f this morning a lot of air comes out of the bottom of the unit. IN this photo now the bottom Is a wall of aluminum heat sink facing us I am going to make a solid bottom over the weekend will post on Monday. look close I have a few heatsinks on the unit. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/910/dz8NbJ.jpg Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: mavericklm on February 07, 2015, 01:28:18 PM scotch tape all the bottom from side to side. scotch tape as much as possible the top of the unit!
Philip, u need to raise the unit a little bit more. ~4inches might be the best.... Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: philipma1957 on February 07, 2015, 01:53:31 PM scotch tape all the bottom from side to side. scotch tape as much as possible the top of the unit! Philip, u need to raise the unit a little bit more. ~4 inches might be the best.... I will use some painters tape as it removes well. The closer to the floor the colder the intake air is. I may raise it : 1 more inch then 2 more inch then 3 more inch then 4 more inch to find the sweet spot. I am doing a solid 1320-1335 gh and not that hot. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: mavericklm on February 07, 2015, 01:59:09 PM yes, painters tape is good too
why i said to raise it, is because the fan is really obstructed the way you have it now. the difference in temp from floor to 10inches above floor is almost none, but a good airflow is best! Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: philipma1957 on February 07, 2015, 02:24:48 PM yes, painters tape is good too why i said to raise it, is because the fan is really obstructed the way you have it now. the difference in temp from floor to 10inches above floor is almost none, but a good airflow is best! I will attempt to raise it later you may be correct about the fan blockage. The tape seems to be helping. this is a new number with window closed. very good hashrate but early. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/673/LDFDUD.png Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 08, 2015, 02:33:08 AM yes, painters tape is good too why i said to raise it, is because the fan is really obstructed the way you have it now. the difference in temp from floor to 10inches above floor is almost none, but a good airflow is best! I will attempt to raise it later you may be correct about the fan blockage. The tape seems to be helping. this is a new number with window closed. very good hashrate but early. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/673/LDFDUD.png Philip, Have you found that on your test miners that there are Frequencies that work at higher points rather than lower? Example - I have most of my miners at 392.75 - some at 400. Some got x's at 400. Is there reason to think maybe that a miner that x's out at 400 - might actually work at 412? Cheers, Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: philipma1957 on February 08, 2015, 04:10:47 AM yes, painters tape is good too why i said to raise it, is because the fan is really obstructed the way you have it now. the difference in temp from floor to 10inches above floor is almost none, but a good airflow is best! I will attempt to raise it later you may be correct about the fan blockage. The tape seems to be helping. this is a new number with window closed. very good hashrate but early. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/673/LDFDUD.png Philip, Have you found that on your test miners that there are Frequencies that work at higher points rather than lower? Example - I have most of my miners at 392.75 - some at 400. Some got x's at 400. Is there reason to think maybe that a miner that x's out at 400 - might actually work at 412? Cheers, Strato The two I had both can do freq 412. but cold rooms and lots of fans are important. As for good freq vs shit freq. I have found that 275 was not good and 318.75 was bad. The key for overclock is look at the HW as long as they are under 0.05 good rates show up. for me 412 is very good 425 errors got high 0.088 and has was lower at 425 then 412. You need to wait at least two hours to see: the rates settle the errors settle the temps settle when you get over 375 freq . Also the pool you are using can affect hw's. I built a 1 dollar 4 sided should using a cardboard box and duct tape . not sureif it helps will continue to test. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 08, 2015, 07:21:01 AM I wonder if all the Bitmain folks are rapidly figuring out a way to turn their miners from regular to vertical on their shelves right now.
;) Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: MyRig on February 08, 2015, 08:24:14 AM ;D
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: mavericklm on February 08, 2015, 09:03:14 AM they already do it with the s4.
there is a picture around here with miners in oblique position... Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dmeter on February 08, 2015, 10:46:35 AM Overclocking voids the warranty? Then why is it a drop down option in the control panel of your software which ships with the units. Antminer warranty is like dog shit in the street.Secondly; why is it not listed on that submenu (Advanced) as WARNING saying that clocking above 350 will void ones warranty. Antminer dont have any warranty.only warranty is he first take money for miner and delivery usually used miner. i have recive one s1 miner whit totally broken fan mount,he sey bay one in localy shop. next time you bay s-1 i send you replacement because post is exspensive i bay more 7x s1 and never receive this broken fan. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 08, 2015, 01:16:16 PM Overclocking voids the warranty? Then why is it a drop down option in the control panel of your software which ships with the units. Antminer warranty is like dog shit in the street.Secondly; why is it not listed on that submenu (Advanced) as WARNING saying that clocking above 350 will void ones warranty. Antminer dont have any warranty.only warranty is he first take money for miner and delivery usually used miner. i have recive one s1 miner whit totally broken fan mount,he sey bay one in localy shop. next time you bay s-1 i send you replacement because post is exspensive i bay more 7x s1 and never receive this broken fan. I'll have to say I havent had that experience. I ordered roughly 50 of the S3+ units - and only one was defective - just a bad fan - it happens. They were super responsive and helped me get it swapped out. As far as the S5 units - the ones I received (24 of them) - they were definitely used. There was a lot of dust build up on the fan blades - you could tell these had been run for some time. HOWEVER - I think it goes without saying that when you buy a miner from Bitmain or any miner manufacturer - they are first used to mine then sold as they roll in their newest generation miners for themselves. Their business model depends on that. I would have liked the units I received to not have so much dust build up. But all 24 of them are working just as they were promised - even better. And I replaced the fans anyways. My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So for me Bitmain has been great. Just wanted to throw in my experience there. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: kreativling on February 08, 2015, 05:20:44 PM I had some time today to build something to close the case of the S5. I still have the miner standing vertical. Closing the bottom of the miner helped in bringing temps of blade 2 down 3 degrees. But covering the top was not as expected and caused blade 1 to increase temps by 2-3 degrees and blade 2 increased by 1 degree. Fan speed increased two steps too. So now I am using vertical setup with standard fan, closed bottom and run the miner at 393.75 with 1280 GH at 43 degrees max.
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: toptekk on February 09, 2015, 01:49:00 AM I had some time today to build something to close the case of the S5. I still have the miner standing vertical. Closing the bottom of the miner helped in bringing temps of blade 2 down 3 degrees. But covering the top was not as expected and caused blade 1 to increase temps by 2-3 degrees and blade 2 increased by 1 degree. Fan speed increased two steps too. So now I am using vertical setup with standard fan, closed bottom and run the miner at 393.75 with 1280 GH at 43 degrees max. one fan how cold is the room Ive been thinking of adding some plexiglass at the bottom my self i have a peace laying around cut to fit it . and heat sink two of the chips again . i need them a little more less noise . here one of mine standing up. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 09, 2015, 04:02:18 AM Dogie is wrong that it is not cooler at least in my case. It is cooler this way with 1 unit in a 12 by 12 by 7.5 very well insulated room. That's not what I was saying. Given a homogeneous environment its not going to make any difference. If you take it to an extreme of a single 600W unit in a unit with a window open, of course the floor is going to be cooler. My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So because I suggested you should add a "this will void your warranty" disclaimer, you take it personally? Either way I'd rather you not like me then customers' ability to use their warranty be damaged, should they need it. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 09, 2015, 06:48:52 AM Dogie is wrong that it is not cooler at least in my case. It is cooler this way with 1 unit in a 12 by 12 by 7.5 very well insulated room. That's not what I was saying. Given a homogeneous environment its not going to make any difference. If you take it to an extreme of a single 600W unit in a unit with a window open, of course the floor is going to be cooler. My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So because I suggested you should add a "this will void your warranty" disclaimer, you take it personally? Either way I'd rather you not like me then customers' ability to use their warranty be damaged, should they need it. Bitmain has still made ZERO comment on the warranty - or lack there of. So I take your claim with a grain of salt - as it was written by you and only appears burried in some obscure forum on some wiki - where ever that is. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: kreativling on February 09, 2015, 07:25:02 AM I had some time today to build something to close the case of the S5. I still have the miner standing vertical. Closing the bottom of the miner helped in bringing temps of blade 2 down 3 degrees. But covering the top was not as expected and caused blade 1 to increase temps by 2-3 degrees and blade 2 increased by 1 degree. Fan speed increased two steps too. So now I am using vertical setup with standard fan, closed bottom and run the miner at 393.75 with 1280 GH at 43 degrees max. one fan how cold is the room Ive been thinking of adding some plexiglass at the bottom my self i have a peace laying around cut to fit it . and heat sink two of the chips again . i need them a little more less noise . here one of mine standing up. Room temp is at 10-11 degrees. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pekatete on February 09, 2015, 10:58:35 AM Dogie is wrong that it is not cooler at least in my case. It is cooler this way with 1 unit in a 12 by 12 by 7.5 very well insulated room. That's not what I was saying. Given a homogeneous environment its not going to make any difference. If you take it to an extreme of a single 600W unit in a unit with a window open, of course the floor is going to be cooler. This is simply a case of if dogie did not suggest the idea, its a bad idea. The OP clearly stated that he's got several S5's in the vertical configuration and philipma1957 is simply confirming that it works for a single unit too! What is so hard to understand about that? My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So because I suggested you should add a "this will void your warranty" disclaimer, you take it personally? Either way I'd rather you not like me then customers' ability to use their warranty be damaged, should they need it. No, the OP said you seem misinformed on a lot of different topics and that he was not 100% sure you actually work for Bitmain. I actually know the OP's sentiment to be accurate, and there is nothing personal about that in my or OP's case. As the OP said, that is borne true by your fabricated terms of warranty which you have been peddling all over this forum for your own selfish, self gratification (there's a special term for that ..... I am sure you know what it is). I can confirm that I noticed an improvement in temps on a vertically positioned S3. I only run it for a few hours on a day that was warmer than it has been in the last week and the temps on both blades were down by 3 and 5 respectively (whatever units they use) for the duration. I need to get a more sturdy mesh on which to deploy them for the long term so I'll do this when I next get some free time over the coming weekend. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 09, 2015, 12:09:54 PM Dogie is wrong that it is not cooler at least in my case. It is cooler this way with 1 unit in a 12 by 12 by 7.5 very well insulated room. That's not what I was saying. Given a homogeneous environment its not going to make any difference. If you take it to an extreme of a single 600W unit in a unit with a window open, of course the floor is going to be cooler. This is simply a case of if dogie did not suggest the idea, its a bad idea. The OP clearly stated that he's got several S5's in the vertical configuration and philipma1957 is simply confirming that it works for a single unit too! What is so hard to understand about that? My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So because I suggested you should add a "this will void your warranty" disclaimer, you take it personally? Either way I'd rather you not like me then customers' ability to use their warranty be damaged, should they need it. No, the OP said you seem misinformed on a lot of different topics and that he was not 100% sure you actually work for Bitmain. I actually know the OP's sentiment to be accurate, and there is nothing personal about that in my or OP's case. As the OP said, that is borne true by your fabricated terms of warranty which you have been peddling all over this forum for your own selfish, self gratification (there's a special term for that ..... I am sure you know what it is). I can confirm that I noticed an improvement in temps on a vertically positioned S3. I only run it for a few hours on a day that was warmer than it has been in the last week and the temps on both blades were down by 3 and 5 respectively (whatever units they use) for the duration. I need to get a more sturdy mesh on which to deploy them for the long term so I'll do this when I next get some free time over the coming weekend. To further add, and I mean this half jokingly and half not so much; is that I almost want to simply believe that Dogie isnt even an actual human, rather some sort of software chat bot, with high intelligence for communication in forums. The reason I say that is his replies to posts almost never address the issues he is commenting on accurately. They seem to stray off topic, or ignore the spirit of the original post altogether. It just very much seems like recycled babble. Either that or his English comprehension is just poor, and doesn't fully understand what he's reading, or what the responses he posts actually communicate. Dogie; a test (which I feel even the most sophisticated chat bot would not be able to solve). If a tree was cut down with an axe in the middle of a forest, and no one was around to hear the sound. Would it make a sound? ;) Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Finksy on February 09, 2015, 03:23:34 PM Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: toptekk on February 09, 2015, 03:42:44 PM Dogie is wrong that it is not cooler at least in my case. It is cooler this way with 1 unit in a 12 by 12 by 7.5 very well insulated room. That's not what I was saying. Given a homogeneous environment its not going to make any difference. If you take it to an extreme of a single 600W unit in a unit with a window open, of course the floor is going to be cooler. My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So because I suggested you should add a "this will void your warranty" disclaimer, you take it personally? Either way I'd rather you not like me then customers' ability to use their warranty be damaged, should they need it. Bitmain has still made ZERO comment on the warranty - or lack there of. So I take your claim with a grain of salt - as it was written by you and only appears burried in some obscure forum on some wiki - where ever that is. Strato sadly this poped up on bitmains site not sure when :) .. https://support.bitmain.com/wikis/86 I don't renumber seeing that a week ago i all ways look to see what may void any warranty. looks like the S5 discretion was reword about oc. it's gone on there site . Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pekatete on February 09, 2015, 03:53:42 PM Dogie is wrong that it is not cooler at least in my case. It is cooler this way with 1 unit in a 12 by 12 by 7.5 very well insulated room. That's not what I was saying. Given a homogeneous environment its not going to make any difference. If you take it to an extreme of a single 600W unit in a unit with a window open, of course the floor is going to be cooler. My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So because I suggested you should add a "this will void your warranty" disclaimer, you take it personally? Either way I'd rather you not like me then customers' ability to use their warranty be damaged, should they need it. Bitmain has still made ZERO comment on the warranty - or lack there of. So I take your claim with a grain of salt - as it was written by you and only appears burried in some obscure forum on some wiki - where ever that is. Strato https://support.bitmain.com/wikis/86 Thanks for bringing that to our attention, but I am afraid that can not be applied retrospectively to units bought before whatever date it appeared. Infact, despite bitmain having a winner of a machine in the S5, this addition to their wiki (which I am not yet sure whether it is referenced to be part of the conditions of purchase) without being dated is an underhand way of dealing with their customers. But hey, it is what it is .... a small print added to limit their exposure and shaft their customers. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: toptekk on February 09, 2015, 03:58:32 PM Dogie is wrong that it is not cooler at least in my case. It is cooler this way with 1 unit in a 12 by 12 by 7.5 very well insulated room. That's not what I was saying. Given a homogeneous environment its not going to make any difference. If you take it to an extreme of a single 600W unit in a unit with a window open, of course the floor is going to be cooler. My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So because I suggested you should add a "this will void your warranty" disclaimer, you take it personally? Either way I'd rather you not like me then customers' ability to use their warranty be damaged, should they need it. Bitmain has still made ZERO comment on the warranty - or lack there of. So I take your claim with a grain of salt - as it was written by you and only appears burried in some obscure forum on some wiki - where ever that is. Strato https://support.bitmain.com/wikis/86 Thanks for bringing that to our attention, but I am afraid that can not be applied retrospectively to units bought before whatever date it appeared. Infact, despite bitmain having a winner of a machine in the S5, this addition to their wiki (which I am not yet sure whether it is referenced to be part of the conditions of purchase) without being dated is an underhand way of dealing with their customers. But hey, it is what it is .... a small print added to limit their exposure and shaft their customers. and In a US court it wouldn't hold, not enough to explain what it apply's to etc . they are in the US now or have been but took down that site i have talked to Yoshi Goto over the phone at the site that was out in Colorado i no longer have those email so i can't prove it but he replaced one of my S3 one time no question asked and seemed to be really cool . they even crossed shipped it kind of .I don't know how they get a way with out giving the address unless that number was posted on a oversea site that lets them .i'm no lawyer but i can tell you when some laws are not being followed right but don't know how to file etc rater not to much involved these days . Yoshi Goto Bitmain U.S. +1 844 248 6246 x 635 +1 323 697 6884 Area code 323 is in California Im not putting this up to start anything i like the company or prove anyone wrong just helping out . Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: wpgdeez on February 09, 2015, 06:16:44 PM Dogie is wrong that it is not cooler at least in my case. It is cooler this way with 1 unit in a 12 by 12 by 7.5 very well insulated room. That's not what I was saying. Given a homogeneous environment its not going to make any difference. If you take it to an extreme of a single 600W unit in a unit with a window open, of course the floor is going to be cooler. This is simply a case of if dogie did not suggest the idea, its a bad idea. The OP clearly stated that he's got several S5's in the vertical configuration and philipma1957 is simply confirming that it works for a single unit too! What is so hard to understand about that? My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So because I suggested you should add a "this will void your warranty" disclaimer, you take it personally? Either way I'd rather you not like me then customers' ability to use their warranty be damaged, should they need it. No, the OP said you seem misinformed on a lot of different topics and that he was not 100% sure you actually work for Bitmain. I actually know the OP's sentiment to be accurate, and there is nothing personal about that in my or OP's case. As the OP said, that is borne true by your fabricated terms of warranty which you have been peddling all over this forum for your own selfish, self gratification (there's a special term for that ..... I am sure you know what it is). I can confirm that I noticed an improvement in temps on a vertically positioned S3. I only run it for a few hours on a day that was warmer than it has been in the last week and the temps on both blades were down by 3 and 5 respectively (whatever units they use) for the duration. I need to get a more sturdy mesh on which to deploy them for the long term so I'll do this when I next get some free time over the coming weekend. To further add, and I mean this half jokingly and half not so much; is that I almost want to simply believe that Dogie isnt even an actual human, rather some sort of software chat bot, with high intelligence for communication in forums. The reason I say that is his replies to posts almost never address the issues he is commenting on accurately. They seem to stray off topic, or ignore the spirit of the original post altogether. It just very much seems like recycled babble. Either that or his English comprehension is just poor, and doesn't fully understand what he's reading, or what the responses he posts actually communicate. Dogie; a test (which I feel even the most sophisticated chat bot would not be able to solve). If a tree was cut down with an axe in the middle of a forest, and no one was around to hear the sound. Would it make a sound? ;) Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 09, 2015, 06:56:04 PM Dogie is wrong that it is not cooler at least in my case. It is cooler this way with 1 unit in a 12 by 12 by 7.5 very well insulated room. That's not what I was saying. Given a homogeneous environment its not going to make any difference. If you take it to an extreme of a single 600W unit in a unit with a window open, of course the floor is going to be cooler. My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So because I suggested you should add a "this will void your warranty" disclaimer, you take it personally? Either way I'd rather you not like me then customers' ability to use their warranty be damaged, should they need it. Bitmain has still made ZERO comment on the warranty - or lack there of. So I take your claim with a grain of salt - as it was written by you and only appears burried in some obscure forum on some wiki - where ever that is. sadly this poped up on bitmains site not sure when :) .. https://support.bitmain.com/wikis/86. I don't renumber seeing that a week ago i all ways look to see what may void any warranty. looks like the S5 discretion was reword about oc. it's gone on there site . Because I put it there to be 100% clear, as I said 5 days ago (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=945775.msg10361965#msg10361965). I don't really care if you believe overclocking voids the warranty or not - that's your prerogative to do what you want with your warranty. Just don't encourage others to void theirs with false claims that it doesn't unless you want to create a bond. Then those who's units fail under warranty but listened to your 'mod' voided their warranties with incorrect information can be paid. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pekatete on February 09, 2015, 07:06:34 PM Because I put it there to be 100% clear, as I said 5 days ago (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=945775.msg10361965#msg10361965). I don't really care if you believe overclocking voids the warranty or not - that's your prerogative to do what you want with your warranty. Just don't encourage others to void theirs with false claims that it doesn't unless you want to create a bond. Then those who's units fail under warranty but listened to your 'mod' voided their warranties with incorrect information can be paid. You are such a fool to antagonise bitmain in such a manner. You posting that on the wiki page linked from the main site does not make it a term of purchase. A more appropriate place would be the user-manual ..... and do that knowing pretty well it can not be applied retrospectively, and you should make that clear in the "advice posts" you make on this forum (to the people that are naive enough to take your advice). Just to clarify, how does positioning your S5 vertically void the warranty, or are you just being off-topic for the sake of it? And by the way, this is NOT a bitmain forum where you as the self appointed bitmain representative can dictate what is posted or not, be it about bitmain products or not. You've advised people to upgrade their S3 firmware to your corrupted, self hosted firmware and the same persons have reported failed chips on their rigs from installing your firmware download, how many of those have you recompensed? Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: judypug1956 on February 09, 2015, 07:39:28 PM Well back to topic. (I am philipma1957 on a second pc)
After much testing of my single s-5 . I can get it to do freq 412 gh= 1331 with 99.965 good lots of fans 2 delta and one nuctua I can get it to do freq 387 gh = 1272 with 99.999 good one delta fan A full case does not help cooling of the temp chip a top does not help cooling of the temp chip point up works better with a bottom only. Since I have 1 s-5 it has 1 delta fan in the blow position I wired it to be a 4 wire pwm fan , It is on a solid surface. no top. If I ran a lot I would do strato's method. If you have 2 just get some delta fans you drop the sound from 75db to 60db and run at freq 387 Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Biffa on February 09, 2015, 07:51:48 PM HOWEVER - I think it goes without saying that when you buy a miner from Bitmain or any miner manufacturer - they are first used to mine then sold as they roll in their newest generation miners for themselves. Their business model depends on that. This is not true of every manufacturer. I've seen no evidence of Spondoolies-Tech pre-mining with the equipment they sell. If you check their thread I'm pretty sure there is no mention of dusty fans or cases full of dust. Perhaps its a first, I too had some bitmain kit with dusty fans. Also a couple of Dragon miners with dusty fans. Also the Oct/Nov KNC Jupiters I purchased new were not pre-mined on either. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: mavericklm on February 09, 2015, 08:30:19 PM Who the fuck is encouraging the overclocking!?!?!?!?!?!??!
look at this thread title: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.25/GH & 0.51W/GH by BITMAIN Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 09, 2015, 09:07:40 PM Because I put it there to be 100% clear, as I said 5 days ago (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=945775.msg10361965#msg10361965). I don't really care if you believe overclocking voids the warranty or not - that's your prerogative to do what you want with your warranty. Just don't encourage others to void theirs with false claims that it doesn't unless you want to create a bond. Then those who's units fail under warranty but listened to your 'mod' voided their warranties with incorrect information can be paid. You are such a fool to antagonise bitmain in such a manner. You posting that on the wiki page linked from the main site does not make it a term of purchase. A more appropriate place would be the user-manual ..... and do that knowing pretty well it can not be applied retrospectively, and you should make that clear in the "advice posts" you make on this forum (to the people that are naive enough to take your advice). Just to clarify, how does positioning your S5 vertically void the warranty, or are you just being off-topic for the sake of it? And by the way, this is NOT a bitmain forum where you as the self appointed bitmain representative can dictate what is posted or not, be it about bitmain products or not. You've advised people to upgrade their S3 firmware to your corrupted, self hosted firmware and the same persons have reported failed chips on their rigs from installing your firmware download, how many of those have you recompensed? I've tried being nice to you but everything I post you object to even when you know its right. Like you claiming that my mega link for 12/16 firmware with an identical MD5 is a corrupted version with injected bad things. Literally I can make a post in any antminer thread, and oh look you randomly wander in and 100% refute everything I've said. You clearly have an ulterior agenda here, care to share? I would also insist that you make a scam accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) thread as you're conviction appears so strong. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pekatete on February 09, 2015, 09:14:04 PM I've tried being nice to you but everything I post you object to even when you know its right. Like you claiming that my mega link for 12/16 firmware with an identical MD5 is a corrupted version with injected bad things. Literally I can make a post in any antminer thread, and oh look you randomly wander in and 100% refute everything I've said. You clearly have an ulterior agenda here, care to share? I would also insist that you make a scam accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) thread as you're conviction appears so strong. Keep it on topic please ..... and DO NOT try to be nice to me, just state and respond to (the) facts. Ulterior agenda against you ....? Come off it and do not flatter yourself, honestly, why would anyone have an axe to grind with you ..... ? Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dogie on February 09, 2015, 09:37:55 PM I've tried being nice to you but everything I post you object to even when you know its right. Like you claiming that my mega link for 12/16 firmware with an identical MD5 is a corrupted version with injected bad things. Literally I can make a post in any antminer thread, and oh look you randomly wander in and 100% refute everything I've said. You clearly have an ulterior agenda here, care to share? I would also insist that you make a scam accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) thread as you're conviction appears so strong. Keep it on topic please ..... and DO NOT try to be nice to me, just state and respond to (the) facts. Ulterior agenda against you ....? Come off it and do not flatter yourself, honestly, why would anyone have an axe to grind with you ..... ? That's the thing though, it doesn't matter WHAT I post - you 100% refute anything I say. And more so than any normal person would... Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 10, 2015, 10:17:31 AM I've tried being nice to you but everything I post you object to even when you know its right. Like you claiming that my mega link for 12/16 firmware with an identical MD5 is a corrupted version with injected bad things. Literally I can make a post in any antminer thread, and oh look you randomly wander in and 100% refute everything I've said. You clearly have an ulterior agenda here, care to share? I would also insist that you make a scam accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) thread as you're conviction appears so strong. Keep it on topic please ..... and DO NOT try to be nice to me, just state and respond to (the) facts. Ulterior agenda against you ....? Come off it and do not flatter yourself, honestly, why would anyone have an axe to grind with you ..... ? That's the thing though, it doesn't matter WHAT I post - you 100% refute anything I say. And more so than any normal person would... I am going to lock this thread if it continues to go astray. The point of this thread had nothing to do with overclocking AT ALL. It had to do with the fact that I came to find that positioning the S5 units in a vertical position allowed for better cooling. Better cooling means higher frequencies "could" be possible. The wiki post is in my opinion not credible. Bitmain advertises the product in their own thread - written BY Bitmain - as a product with Overclock Potential. No where does it state on the site, in the manual, within the user console under Frequency, to do so at your own risk. NO WHERE. Dogie also completely "Dodged" my question to prove if he was not just some robot app. I take anything he says as, and would recommend to others to consider doing the same- as opinion only. This is not to say that he does not provide information which may, or may not be valid. I am just saying from what I can gather, there is no evidence to support he is a representative of Bitmain, and Bitmain has yet to comment on the Warranty issue themselves. Let's stay on topic guys. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: toptekk on February 10, 2015, 11:07:19 AM I've tried being nice to you but everything I post you object to even when you know its right. Like you claiming that my mega link for 12/16 firmware with an identical MD5 is a corrupted version with injected bad things. Literally I can make a post in any antminer thread, and oh look you randomly wander in and 100% refute everything I've said. You clearly have an ulterior agenda here, care to share? I would also insist that you make a scam accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) thread as you're conviction appears so strong. Keep it on topic please ..... and DO NOT try to be nice to me, just state and respond to (the) facts. Ulterior agenda against you ....? Come off it and do not flatter yourself, honestly, why would anyone have an axe to grind with you ..... ? That's the thing though, it doesn't matter WHAT I post - you 100% refute anything I say. And more so than any normal person would... I am going to lock this thread if it continues to go astray. The point of this thread had nothing to do with overclocking AT ALL. It had to do with the fact that I came to find that positioning the S5 units in a vertical position allowed for better cooling. Better cooling means higher frequencies "could" be possible. The wiki post is in my opinion not credible. Bitmain advertises the product in their own thread - written BY Bitmain - as a product with Overclock Potential. No where does it state on the site, in the manual, within the user console under Frequency, to do so at your own risk. NO WHERE. Dogie also completely "Dodged" my question to prove if he was not just some robot app. I take anything he says as, and would recommend to others to consider doing the same- as opinion only. This is not to say that he does not provide information which may, or may not be valid. I am just saying from what I can gather, there is no evidence to support he is a representative of Bitmain, and Bitmain has yet to comment on the Warranty issue themselves. Let's stay on topic guys. Strato ON topic when does the Software part of this come out so far standing it up, exhaust facing up works wonders, i even put a bottom on mine and it seemed to help. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: cathoderay on February 10, 2015, 07:21:50 PM I've tried being nice to you but everything I post you object to even when you know its right. Like you claiming that my mega link for 12/16 firmware with an identical MD5 is a corrupted version with injected bad things. Literally I can make a post in any antminer thread, and oh look you randomly wander in and 100% refute everything I've said. You clearly have an ulterior agenda here, care to share? I would also insist that you make a scam accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) thread as you're conviction appears so strong. Keep it on topic please ..... and DO NOT try to be nice to me, just state and respond to (the) facts. Ulterior agenda against you ....? Come off it and do not flatter yourself, honestly, why would anyone have an axe to grind with you ..... ? RE: dogie spam - Use the ignore button & report him to moderators for spamming, like he does to everyone else. Great thread Stratobitz - thank you :) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: MyRig on February 11, 2015, 02:05:47 AM @Stratobitz,
any goodie photos of the setup? Hope Ants are still hashing away stable! Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: cathoderay on February 11, 2015, 04:22:55 AM @Stratobitz, any goodie photos of the setup? Hope Ants are still hashing away stable! Yeah, good idea. Photos would be great! :) For the record: https://i.imgur.com/slJNXIW.gif Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 15, 2015, 10:16:06 AM I'll be posting, as requested, images of our clusters later today.
We're in the process of moving a bunch of our S3+ units out, and moving all of our S5 units onto 240v PDUs 60 Amp Circuits. Is it possible to embed a youtube video inside of a forum thread? Please let me know if anyone knows the code to do so. Thanks, Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 23, 2015, 03:21:21 AM Stand the Miner Vertical. Set it up like I drafted it out in my Op Post. See the heat difference. See the OC capability difference. Was not disputing any of your claims, just dogie's waffle responses.I have 24 of these. Im not making this up. Yes the S5 is easilly a 1300 Ghash miner. All it takes is a 90 Degree Rotation of the unit. Strato I know the S5 is easily a 1300Gh/s + miner (mine is at 1350 albeit at a higher freq), but now you got me thinking of the S3 variants too .... aka the vertical position. As the S3 is fully enclosed it doesn't seem to be of any major advantage compared to the S5. Maybe a slight increase of thermal discharge ... I have 9 of the S3's and those are so far the finest miners I ever owned. The 3 S5's however, I would really like to tame... Rabid howler monkey's in my opinion. Specifically having them in the basement and sleeping not 20 feet away is mind numbing (ears I lost yesterday...). And as there are no S5's to have right now, the mind numbing culminated in me getting a S4... rabid monkey x 4 squared !!! ;D Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 23, 2015, 03:27:54 AM My only issue is Dogie; he was helpful with the wiring diagram for using two PSUs with 3 miners; but more often then not he seems misinformed on a lot of different topics. I am not even 100% convinced he actually works for Bitmain or just self appointed himself. But that's a whole other issue. So for me Bitmain has been great. Just wanted to throw in my experience there. Strato [/quote] What is that magic trick 2 for 3?? This would be for the S5? Can you share the diagram possibly? thanks Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 23, 2015, 03:53:14 AM I would very much find out what the CFM is for the stock fan of the S5, and while all the great minds are assembled here, possibly the same answer to the stock fan of the A S4.
I got my hands on some Delta AFB1212SHE, which are about 20 cfm less than stratos' Delta's. Philipma was kind enough to assure me that they should work in another thread where there was talk about Noctua/skythe push/pull arrangement, which seem to have helped to lower the noise. Less noise / better cooling / higher hash is for sure the more desirable option. I'm looking forward to the write up / script / software from stratos.... I'm also going to test this vertical idea on that maddening loud S4 once I figure out how to go about the fans in that one. There was somewhere a suggestion to replace the intakes with Corsair 120SP and leave the rear stock, but I can't imagine making much difference to the high pitch whine in my ears or head. (oh, and at this time there is no option to get away from the machines or move to a new house) I must co-exist with S1, S3, S4 and S5's; the first 2 are acceptable the last two are torture. Hopefully shipping the S1's out soon :-) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: btcminer021 on February 23, 2015, 04:57:51 AM Are the units located in your bedroom? How do you sleep at night!?!?
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: ZymurBits on February 23, 2015, 05:28:39 PM What is that magic trick 2 for 3?? This would be for the S5? Can you share the diagram possibly? thanks The "trick" is the same regardless of S3 or S5. Just make sure you only use 1 PSU per blade. In other words, don't use 2 PSU's to power the same blade. https://i.imgur.com/8t2lzOJ.gif Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 23, 2015, 07:51:53 PM What is that magic trick 2 for 3?? This would be for the S5? Can you share the diagram possibly? thanks The "trick" is the same regardless of S3 or S5. Just make sure you only use 1 PSU per blade. In other words, don't use 2 PSU's to power the same blade. https://i.imgur.com/8t2lzOJ.gif Thank you so much for putting this in a picture. I did something similar with S1 / S3, but S5's require 4 PCI-E per unit and the PSU's I own only have 4. I guess I need to check out 'pricier' psu's... If I get rid of all the S1's and S3's it might be a substantial reduction in power consumption to have 2 PSU's per 3 miners, but can I afford to buy several 150-200 dollar psu's .... NO, not at this time. I appreciate your reply very much and will 'file' for future expansion plans... Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 23, 2015, 08:05:43 PM Are the units located in your bedroom? How do you sleep at night!?!? Sleep is a foreign word since S5 / S4, unless crashing at friends. No they are not 'directly' in my bedroom. I reside in a partially finished basement with one 15x12 room that has a door where my bed is in. The walls of course are 1/2 inch max drywall with no insulation of course. The S4 is about 8 feet 'outside' one of the walls, the S5's about 20 feet opposite, when closing my door the S4 is taking over and I freeze my a$$ off at this time of year ... Door open the S5's take over ... Can't stand ear plugs! I thought the 10 S1's where loud after receiving my first S3's, but sleeping comfortably was possible. Whoever is considering S4 / S5 miners for home mining - THINK twice about it and then some more. Since I sank a lot of money into these already, I'll need to find a way to remedy the noise pollution. Hopefully the fans I ordered are going to help some. I read a review about the S5's before ordering and whoever wrote it must have been deaf, as he described it as slightly louder than S3. (The S4 I just ordered because I was tired and sloshed) Never order miners when intoxicated :-) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dunand on February 23, 2015, 08:17:32 PM The "trick" is the same regardless of S3 or S5. Just make sure you only use 1 PSU per blade. In other words, don't use 2 PSU's to power the same blade. https://i.imgur.com/8t2lzOJ.gif Thanks! What happen if you close the PSU who power the blade that power the controller? My guess is that all blades in that miner will stop hashing. But do you need to close the PSU that power the other blade? Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 24, 2015, 01:03:20 AM Speaking of PSU's .... (pardon a bit off-topic)
( at one point I was considering putting those on the S5's ) cheap a$$ 750W Thermaltake's, 2 of them hooked to 1 S3 each. While messing around with the vertical arrangement and noise reduction, I wanted to re-arrange my miners to different locations in the basement and different outlets. I guess I have to thank all of the tinkerers on this forum for helping me not to burn my house down... Thank you Stratos, Philipma1957, klondike_bar, Rabinovitch et al. https://i.imgur.com/Cy2jV9C.jpg https://i.imgur.com/l7Ezs5T.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gPJXy9N.jpg The broken off post plastic was stuck in the miners. Touching any of the plastic and it just crumbled to pieces. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dunand on February 24, 2015, 01:14:25 AM Wow gemstone. How many amps was running in that cable.
I feel like ordering pcie connectors and making my own 16 awg cables. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: ShrykeZ on February 24, 2015, 03:17:58 AM Woah gemstone, pretty lucky man, while not being so at the same time. :o
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Rabinovitch on February 24, 2015, 03:39:23 AM I would very much find out what the CFM is for the stock fan of the S5, and while all the great minds are assembled here, possibly the same answer to the stock fan of the A S4. It's about 140 CFM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902305.msg10081932#msg10081932). ;) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: ZymurBits on February 24, 2015, 02:03:11 PM Thanks! What happen if you close the PSU who power the blade that power the controller? My guess is that all blades in that miner will stop hashing. But do you need to close the PSU that power the other blade? IMO you should probably power on the controller side last since it may need to see the other board when it comes up. I don't think it would matter when shutting down though so long as you are shutting the entire unit down. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: HolgerDansk on February 26, 2015, 07:45:31 AM Speaking of PSU's .... (pardon a bit off-topic) ( at one point I was considering putting those on the S5's ) cheap a$$ 750W Thermaltake's, 2 of them hooked to 1 S3 each. While messing around with the vertical arrangement and noise reduction, I wanted to re-arrange my miners to different locations in the basement and different outlets. I guess I have to thank all of the tinkerers on this forum for helping me not to burn my house down... Thank you Stratos, Philipma1957, klondike_bar, Rabinovitch et al. The broken off post plastic was stuck in the miners. Touching any of the plastic and it just crumbled to pieces. Thanks for sharing the pictures. Now I'm concerned about my Thermaltake 750w Gold (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153198) PSU's. My S3's were of course happy with those, but you're making me concerned that I'm running my S5's with them. (1 psu per S5). Advice anyone? Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: dimke_yu on February 26, 2015, 12:00:07 PM I think that it is enough for one S5 without OC... It depends how hot are those pcie cables that are connected to miner...
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 27, 2015, 05:42:45 AM Speaking of PSU's .... (pardon a bit off-topic) ( at one point I was considering putting those on the S5's ) cheap a$$ 750W Thermaltake's, 2 of them hooked to 1 S3 each. While messing around with the vertical arrangement and noise reduction, I wanted to re-arrange my miners to different locations in the basement and different outlets. I guess I have to thank all of the tinkerers on this forum for helping me not to burn my house down... Thank you Stratos, Philipma1957, klondike_bar, Rabinovitch et al. The broken off post plastic was stuck in the miners. Touching any of the plastic and it just crumbled to pieces. Thanks for sharing the pictures. Now I'm concerned about my Thermaltake 750w Gold (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153198) PSU's. My S3's were of course happy with those, but you're making me concerned that I'm running my S5's with them. (1 psu per S5). Advice anyone? I think you might be alright... the ones in the picture are Thermaltake SMART Series SP-750PCBUS 750W ATX 12V 2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supplies. I just removed a third one because the wires were freakishly hot to the touch. At this time I have the S5's on Corsair RM750's and the wires are just barley warm to the touch. No comparison to the Thermaltake... I am going to shop for Rosewill Lightning 1300's because 1 of those will power 2 S5's (got 8 x PCIe) Now I have to find some replacement for the Fans ... the Delta's 1212HHE (used Mac case fans, 4 wire) are not working at all! By the time I get my 55 year old rear end all situated it's time to sell these and find others...BIGGER, BETTER Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 27, 2015, 05:54:16 AM In case Strato is reading this....
you are mentioning in your write up that you are using a single Delta AFB1212SHE-PWM for cooling. Is this a plug and go solution? Any modifications needed, wire cutting, extra fan controller or any other fancy foot/handiwork? Would this be a viable second choice? SILVERSTONE FHP-141 140mm (120mm mounting holes) Case Fan 500~2000rpm 42.8~171 CFM Thank you for your guide! Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 27, 2015, 06:00:33 AM Woah gemstone, pretty lucky man, while not being so at the same time. :o I consider myself VERY lucky! I still got a house and none of the miners seems to have suffered or got damaged.... ;-) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 27, 2015, 06:05:29 AM I think that it is enough for one S5 without OC... It depends how hot are those pcie cables that are connected to miner... Discolored one connector on the miner to a lovely 'caramel' ... (the S3 I took off the Thermaltake today after not being able to touch for more than 3 seconds) This one didn't have any crumbling wires or PCIe's (yet) Got this one licked and am going to stay with Corsair/EVGA/Rosewill's ... NOW the infernal howling of these fans needs to stop ;-) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: HolgerDansk on February 27, 2015, 05:13:40 PM I think you might be alright... the ones in the picture are Thermaltake SMART Series SP-750PCBUS 750W ATX 12V 2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supplies. Thanks again for sharing. The pictures make a vivid point to all of us to watch the heat. My PCI cables almost, sometimes feel a hint warm. Yeah, a good sign. Just by turning mine vertical, dropped a few degrees. Thank you Strato! Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 27, 2015, 08:06:00 PM I think you might be alright... the ones in the picture are Thermaltake SMART Series SP-750PCBUS 750W ATX 12V 2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supplies. Thanks again for sharing. The pictures make a vivid point to all of us to watch the heat. My PCI cables almost, sometimes feel a hint warm. Yeah, a good sign. Just by turning mine vertical, dropped a few degrees. Thank you Strato! My pleasure. Still going to try a vertical setup with my S3s. Just not enough hours in the day. Our farm found a block two weeks ago on Slush's Pool. If I go any bigger I may jump over to Con's CK PrivateSolo Pool. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on February 27, 2015, 08:57:34 PM My PCI cables almost, sometimes feel a hint warm. Yeah, a good sign. Just by turning mine vertical, dropped a few degrees. Thank you Strato! [/quote] Did you arrange like Strato with box fan underneath or just turned them upright with enough air to breathe? Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on February 28, 2015, 01:12:19 AM The box fan; which is only a $20 cost- is critical. It provides constant airflow over every part of the rig, cables; power supply units; the miner cases. It keeps all air moving upwards and away from the units.
Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: kminer on March 01, 2015, 10:03:43 PM This is a simple outline / guide on how we are running our Antminer S5 Units in clusters of 6 with no overheating issues and a decent overclock. Our setup consists of (6) S5 Units per Cluster - all within the small space of a 30" small wire shelving unit. Our Miners are set at frequency 393.75. We are achieving 1300+ GHash per Miner; no "X"s; and with only a single Delta AFB1212SHE Replacement Fan. We are not using any sort of water cooling or push pull; just a single fan. Temps are constant at 52-56 C in a 69-72 F Room. We've been grouping 6 units together on a 24x30x14 Small Wire Shelving Unit which can be purchased at HomeDepot / Target for roughly $20.00. The config illustrated here uses (3) EVGA 1300 G2 PSUs, with (2) S5 Units on each PSU. This particular setup will limit your overclocking ability due to the PSUs power limit. With this setup I would not recommend going over 362.50. However, this same setup can be used with a total of (4) 1000w PSUs running 393.75 - simply by running (3) S5 Units on (2) PSUs each X 2. Simply Mount all 4 PSUs on the outside of the shelving unit - rather than the 3rd 1300w in the middle. Please note that the Pink Circles and Lines note Zip Tie Points. http://s26.postimg.org/fymk0uiyh/Antminer_S5_Setup_Config_Stratobitz_Coin_Rocket.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/u52aw2tth/full/) We'll be publishing our additional guide on maximizing your mining hashpower; and improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package. That guide will be posted later this month! Cheers! Strato Statos, could you elaborate on the wiring required to power two S5s on one EVGA 1300 G2? I see you have two red lines and two blue lines running to each S5. I assume the red are straight PCIe 6 pin cables and the blues that a red port and split them into two. What cable do you recommend? Also, I thought I read somewhere that each S5 PCI-e connectors required +12V DC input / 15 amp, or 60 amp for each S5. That would be 120a to power two S5s, but the EVGA 1300 list a max output of 108.3a on the +12v line. Is that right? Thanks Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on March 01, 2015, 10:16:53 PM This is a simple outline / guide on how we are running our Antminer S5 Units in clusters of 6 with no overheating issues and a decent overclock. Our setup consists of (6) S5 Units per Cluster - all within the small space of a 30" small wire shelving unit. Our Miners are set at frequency 393.75. We are achieving 1300+ GHash per Miner; no "X"s; and with only a single Delta AFB1212SHE Replacement Fan. We are not using any sort of water cooling or push pull; just a single fan. Temps are constant at 52-56 C in a 69-72 F Room. We've been grouping 6 units together on a 24x30x14 Small Wire Shelving Unit which can be purchased at HomeDepot / Target for roughly $20.00. The config illustrated here uses (3) EVGA 1300 G2 PSUs, with (2) S5 Units on each PSU. This particular setup will limit your overclocking ability due to the PSUs power limit. With this setup I would not recommend going over 362.50. However, this same setup can be used with a total of (4) 1000w PSUs running 393.75 - simply by running (3) S5 Units on (2) PSUs each X 2. Simply Mount all 4 PSUs on the outside of the shelving unit - rather than the 3rd 1300w in the middle. Please note that the Pink Circles and Lines note Zip Tie Points. http://s26.postimg.org/fymk0uiyh/Antminer_S5_Setup_Config_Stratobitz_Coin_Rocket.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/u52aw2tth/full/) We'll be publishing our additional guide on maximizing your mining hashpower; and improving your mining power by up to 15% by simply running an additional script and light weight software package. That guide will be posted later this month! Cheers! Strato Statos, could you elaborate on the wiring required to power two S5s on one EVGA 1300 G2? I see you have two red lines and two blue lines running to each S5. I assume the red are straight PCIe 6 pin cables and the blues that a red port and split them into two. What cable do you recommend? Also, I thought I read somewhere that each S5 PCI-e connectors required +12V DC input / 15 amp, or 60 amp for each S5. That would be 120a to power two S5s, but the EVGA 1300 list a max output of 108.3a on the +12v line. Is that right? Thanks The EVGA 1300 G2 comes provided with (6) Red 8 Pin to 6+2 Pin PCIe Cables. Our units are configured so you use all 6 of the cables for (2) AntMiner S5 units by using this cable path per miner: - Use (2) dedicated 8 Pin to 6 Pin PCIe cables - running one to each blade (left and right side) - total 2. - Use (1) shared 8 pin to dual 6 pin PCIe cable - running one end to the left and one to the right. This is working well for us; with the box fan configuration the cables do not even get a hint warm. Unless I am mistaken; this provides the best power configuration as it allows a full load on 1 cable, and a shared load split between the two blades on the other. My thought is running 1 blade on a single cable (split) puts the full load of that blade on a single cable (might overheat). So as for my diagram; PLEASE NOTE it's a single blue line that splits - denoting a cable that is using both heads of the output end split across the blades; and the 2 reds are dedicated wires - one to each blade. As for the amperage; I'm a little bit of a neophyte when it comes to power calculations. The PSU outputs 12v; and running (2) S5 units on (1) 1300 G2 PSU - at a frequency of 350 or 362.50 will not overload the PSU or a 20 AMP Breaker (15 is likely ok as well but all my breakers are 20AMPs). Going off memory... I believe my Kill-A-Watt showed roughly 1190 Watts off the Wall running 362.50. (Again off memory). They've been running for weeks just fine. I did initially try to set the miners at 392.50 but the PSU would click off and take a while to reset. Factoring the ROI on simply not overclocking as high - I decided to go this route rather than add more PSUs which would never re-coup the costs. We also run our own Proxy Servers; so these units work great. Literally I go weeks without really doing anything to them... except seeing the BTC add up in our wallets. Hope that helps! Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on March 01, 2015, 10:26:03 PM I know I've promised pictures; I'm actually headed in soon to our facility; I'll see if I can take a few shots of the configs. I'm behind on a bunch of things right now and just haven't gotten to it.
Cheers! Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on March 03, 2015, 02:18:34 AM We also run our own Proxy Servers; so these units work great. Literally I go weeks without really doing anything to them... except seeing the BTC add up in our wallets. Strato I would really like to catch up on this... I've done running blades on proxy, but never could figure out how to get the other miner hardware to get with it. Could you show and tell a bit more? Received a 1212SHE today and must say that these are great... miffed at myself for not ordering enough for all S5's, but will outfit all of them with this fan. For anybody else following the thread here: The connector has 2 ridges that prevent the connector to slip on the pins. I took a nail clipper and trimmed the 2 ridges down, with the result that it fit right away just fine and it works great. Dropped the most 'whiny' machine by ~20db. Does anybody know if the S4 fans are the same as S5? I also decided to slightly deviate from Stratobiz's strategy and test to 'hang' the S5's instead of zip-tie to the metal rack. I have some miners sitting on Metro Racks and the vibrations sometimes resonate the metal. Found a good length of 12 gauge insulated copper wire and it should suspend a miner securely. I don't have the luxury of a 'facility', so I might not overclock right away and decide later if it is feasible with noise/heat in my basement. I also don't have the PSU capabilities yet. Those 1300 watters are pricey... I was actually looking into getting Rosewills Lightning 1300's as they seem to have 8 PCI-e connectors, which would allow me to run 2xS5's at least at default settings. Thoughts of course welcome ;-) Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: gemstone on March 03, 2015, 02:32:12 AM with only a single Delta AFB1212SHE Replacement Fan. Strato Could you please specify which one exactly? Delta AFB1212SHE-F00 or Delta AFB1212SHE-CF00 there is a bit of a difference, ~40cfm and ~400rpm I went with the F-00 (because I was unaware of the other) and it seems to be quite alright. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: HolgerDansk on March 04, 2015, 06:46:40 AM My PCI cables almost, sometimes feel a hint warm. Yeah, a good sign. Just by turning mine vertical, dropped a few degrees. Thank you Strato! Did you arrange like Strato with box fan underneath or just turned them upright with enough air to breathe? I have not done a box fan yet. My S5's are setup next to a window and it's winter here. So mine are vertical blowing down (opposite of Strato's way), since the cold outside air pours in from above them. I expect during summer to change to blowing up with a box fan underneath. It did make a difference to turn them vertical, period. :) Even though mine are reverse of the guide. Thanks Strato! Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: kminer on March 11, 2015, 08:17:35 PM with only a single Delta AFB1212SHE Replacement Fan. Strato Could you please specify which one exactly? Delta AFB1212SHE-F00 or Delta AFB1212SHE-CF00 there is a bit of a difference, ~40cfm and ~400rpm I went with the F-00 (because I was unaware of the other) and it seems to be quite alright. Gemstone, aren't both of those 3 wire fans? It looks like only the CF00 model reaches 190.5 CFM and all other models are 151.8 CFM. Did you pick it into the 4 pin fan connector and loose any function, or did you just rewire them? If so, could you provide details? Prior to reading your post, I was looking at the AFB1212SHE-PWM model number because they already include the 4-pin connector. Thanks Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pokeyjones on March 12, 2015, 04:28:08 AM Interested by the vertical setup mounting guide, been looking through this thread.
Is there ever a picture of this rig, or was this just something thought up? Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: HolgerDansk on March 12, 2015, 04:46:55 AM Interested by the vertical setup mounting guide, been looking through this thread. Is there ever a picture of this rig, or was this just something thought up? Yes.. Check out this specific message (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=945775.msg10385745#msg10385745) from Philip that has a number of pictures Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pokeyjones on March 12, 2015, 04:59:02 AM Interested by the vertical setup mounting guide, been looking through this thread. Is there ever a picture of this rig, or was this just something thought up? Yes.. Check out this specific message from Philip that has a number of pictures [quote link=topic=945775.msg10385745#msg10385745 date=1423313447]here Is that a "treasure map" to the long lost pictures? Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: HolgerDansk on March 12, 2015, 05:03:40 AM Interested by the vertical setup mounting guide, been looking through this thread. Is there ever a picture of this rig, or was this just something thought up? Yes.. Check out this specific message from Philip that has a number of pictures [quote link=topic=945775.msg10385745#msg10385745 date=1423313447]here Is that a "treasure map" to the long lost pictures? [/quote] ;D I was editing the message to get it to link to the exact post. Not elegant, but this quote works Click the link above Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pokeyjones on March 12, 2015, 05:09:15 AM Interested by the vertical setup mounting guide, been looking through this thread. Is there ever a picture of this rig, or was this just something thought up? Yes.. Check out this specific message from Philip that has a number of pictures [quote link=topic=945775.msg10385745#msg10385745 date=1423313447]here Is that a "treasure map" to the long lost pictures? ;D I was editing the message to get it to link to the exact post. Not elegant, but this quote works Click the link above [/quote]Ahh... I see! Should've clarified! Strato posted a guide, down to what size rack (heheh) you would need. Are there any pictures of that multi-miner vertical setup with a box fan as instructed? Or, was that just someone's ideas? Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: HolgerDansk on March 12, 2015, 05:12:43 AM Should've clarified! Strato posted a guide, down to what size rack (heheh) you would need. Are there any pictures of that multi-miner vertical setup with a box fan as instructed? Or, was that just someone's ideas? Strato has done it and was going to post some pics of his setup. This is a simple outline / guide on how we are running our Antminer S5 Units in clusters of 6 with no overheating issues and a decent overclock I only have 2 units on a wire rack, just standing on end loose (not tied down). No problems for mine. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: pokeyjones on March 12, 2015, 07:44:41 AM Should've clarified! Strato posted a guide, down to what size rack (heheh) you would need. Are there any pictures of that multi-miner vertical setup with a box fan as instructed? Or, was that just someone's ideas? Strato has done it and was going to post some pics of his setup. This is a simple outline / guide on how we are running our Antminer S5 Units in clusters of 6 with no overheating issues and a decent overclock I only have 2 units on a wire rack, just standing on end loose (not tied down). No problems for mine. So the answer is no. I don't know if putting a box fan right in the face of the intake fans is a good idea. You can't pressurize water, so a duo-prop setup will work. What a fan needs to operate optimally, I thought, was abundant air that the blades can bite into. What I've done is use a vertical wire rack and a small tornado fan to create a low pressure at the open window by the fan intakes. The exhaust fan helps create this, and the exhaust from the miners blows across to the outtake fan's area. Kinda proud of it and it works thus far. You can see a table leg (my desk) which keeps the heat from escaping up. I think. would love to look with a really good thermal image processor to see what's really going on. https://i.imgur.com/kyQvdtt.jpg Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on April 13, 2015, 09:14:07 AM Photos - finally... I took a number of these during one of the rig builds - so it shows them in progress (4 miners; then 6 with missing PSUs).
We ran 4 Clusters of 6 Units: Total of 24 Miners. In regards to the effectiveness of the box fan: Yes; temperatures rise when the fan is turned off. The fan - as depicted in the photos, does not sit flush with the intake fans of the S5 units; rather there is a good 4-5 inches of clearance inbetween. The box fan, on just the low speed setting keeps air actively circulating around the miners, the sides, etc. It seems to reduce traps of hot air that can form. PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CONFIGURATION https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E4Hosw4okzI/VSuFvztZZiI/AAAAAAAAADY/Ue2o6Wk4YP4/w539-h815-no/DSC00003_out.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AH_zhdKlBc8/VSuFv8ckj0I/AAAAAAAAADc/0efuD4igKpk/w857-h815-no/DSC00004_out.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5_S7pxsvv9Q/VSuFv38pmfI/AAAAAAAAADA/NuTNViCwFLU/w1220-h815-no/DSC00009_out.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wOUmhY-NOTo/VSuFwah5JlI/AAAAAAAAADQ/Ki94dY8yrIE/w970-h815-no/DSC00011_out.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MVa9olydpG5TLDFnv_Md2OaW76frXWA9617baxmAUA=w1067-h815-no https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/l0PoGRASXpj5mf0mM9OpNm5YHMqHiBZr1dnDfmdTww=w1297-h815-no Hopefully others have also have had good results using this method as well. Our miners were able to run at room temperature and stay in the 55C range with no issues using this above setup (Also see first post of this thread for diagram). Cheers! Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Stratobitz on April 13, 2015, 12:34:35 PM Uploaded a Video showing the 6 rig setups at various stages of being assembled.
Also the video shows the sound quality/difference of the Delta Fan Mods we did - vs the stock Bitmain Fans. Video Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W1Ep_KDPO8 Cheers! Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - Updated Photo/Video Post by: chiguireitor on April 13, 2015, 03:19:02 PM You could get better cooling if you enclose the underside of each miner, maybe 3-4 ºC additional of cooling (i've tested, it does a great difference).
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - Updated Photo/Video Post by: mavericklm on April 13, 2015, 04:22:14 PM miners next to each other and ducting the big fan from the bottom....
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - Updated Photo/Video Post by: Stratobitz on April 13, 2015, 07:29:16 PM You could get better cooling if you enclose the underside of each miner, maybe 3-4 ºC additional of cooling (i've tested, it does a great difference). You are getting temps of 46 C? Our miners (which have since been shutdown and sold) - were running at a stable 50 C. Cheers, Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: chiguireitor on April 13, 2015, 08:12:24 PM I referred to this:
Our miners were able to run at room temperature and stay in the 55C range with no issues using this above setup I tested both with the bottom open and closed, and the change is about 3-4 ºc... so i was getting around the same temps you're reporting :) However, i live on a tropical country, and if i leave the bottom opened, i run around 55-60ºc easily. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - Updated Photo/Video Post by: opentoe on April 13, 2015, 08:58:54 PM I wish I had a bread rack to test this at home. Now that the temps are getting warmer I closed windows and stuck a 12BTU AC in the window, which I was going to do anyway since my Central AC took a dump on me. Yea, it is real nice having Central AC, but I get better cooling with window AC units and can shut them off in parts of the house. Save a little electricity. Trying to think what else besides a break rack like that will work that I have at home already? Right now I have all my S5's on a long 10 foot table with the power supplies. Temps are fine, but if I could lower the AC even more while still keeping the S5 temps that would be even better. I did have a slew of power supplies so each one of my S5's has it's own 1000 watt PSU. I could over clock all of them if I want. Two of them are RM1000's, one of them is an HX1000i, and the rest EVGA G2 1000.
Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - Updated Photo/Video Post by: Stratobitz on April 13, 2015, 11:51:40 PM I wish I had a bread rack to test this at home. Now that the temps are getting warmer I closed windows and stuck a 12BTU AC in the window, which I was going to do anyway since my Central AC took a dump on me. Yea, it is real nice having Central AC, but I get better cooling with window AC units and can shut them off in parts of the house. Save a little electricity. Trying to think what else besides a break rack like that will work that I have at home already? Right now I have all my S5's on a long 10 foot table with the power supplies. Temps are fine, but if I could lower the AC even more while still keeping the S5 temps that would be even better. I did have a slew of power supplies so each one of my S5's has it's own 1000 watt PSU. I could over clock all of them if I want. Two of them are RM1000's, one of them is an HX1000i, and the rest EVGA G2 1000. I would recommend working out a way to vent the heat from the miners out rather than battle the heat they put out with an AC unit. You could hit home depot; get a package of dryer hose (it's 5" in diameter) - and rig it somehow with a pull fan on the end which leads outside. They also sell dryer hose joints - like a Y joint - so you could conceivably have multiple hoses running to 1 or 2 output channels. Then use a 5" fan in pull mode so essentially its a vacuum effect - where the inlets are near the outputs of the miners sucking in the hot air and piping it outside. Just my two cents if it's a big problem - as temperatures are only going to continue to rise moving forward. Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat Post by: Richy_T on August 07, 2015, 02:26:54 PM You stop being able to hear it after a while, its surprising what level of noise can become the baseline. Its also a lot easier because miner noise is perfectly level. Please consider whether you might be damaging your hearing. You might want to try and borrow a sound level meter. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - Updated Photo/Video Post by: QuintLeo on August 08, 2015, 09:54:02 PM Quote and with only a single Delta AFB1212SHE any of those push quite a bit more air than the stock Delta on an S5, THAT is where your ability to keep them cool is originating, NOT the "vertical" setup. The one advantage the vertical setup might have is pulling cooler air from the floor level - depends on how well ventilated the room they're in is in if that's a real factor or not, and HOW the room is ventilated in some cases. Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - Updated Photo/Video Post by: Stratobitz on August 10, 2015, 06:52:02 AM Just getting back from a crypto hiatus... In regards to the fan: I think the CFM of the stock vs Delta AFBSHE1212 Fan is roughly the same. The big difference is noise.
However, yes of course taking air in from as close to the floor as possible would likely draw the coolest air in the room. Hot air also rises... And the radiator fins on the S5 being Horizontal in standard setup mode may in fact also contribute to higher temps. Regardless, this setup worked really well for us. We sold off all our S5s a while back (Wish we had kept a few). Just to note, were about to post in the marketplace about 1/2 of our S3+ Units up for sale. All run great and are super clean. Weve finally finished our move... I dont have the AC Power to run them all. Cheers! Strato Title: Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - Updated Photo/Video Post by: QuintLeo on August 10, 2015, 08:40:34 AM The stock fan is about 200 cfm.
One of the SHE fan models hits 250, but I forget which one offhand. |
