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Hi,
So yeah , after this thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976685.0 , I waited for couple of weeks , got Unbanned Wednesday (couple of days ago) . well .. I was happy to come back and I started posting once again and today when I woke up I found my account banned once again and not sure what are the reasons ... and for 60 days which i honestly don't think it's fair and I need a second chance (if i did something wrong) , and if it's because Signature compaign , I will simply not enroll anymore if you feel like .

I'am only posting , what I did wrong exactly here ? Are my posts looks like a spam to you or off-topic ? beside none of my posts got deleted at all . thanks
=> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375915

Maybe the mod. don't like you , or your 'posting' style. Try to wait these 60 days and after join back but don't post anymore (it is better for you).

"I'am only posting" maybe (as the other time) it is the content of those posts. Try to contact again BadBear or wait a reply (from him) here in the thread.

It would actually be your third chance.  

Your first was when you created an account and started posting.  The admins gave you a chance to follow the rules.
Then you broke the rules and were given a temp ban.  The admins gave you a second chance and after a cool down period you were allowed to post again.
You broke the rules yet again.  The admins are willing to give you a THIRD chance, but you have to wait the 60 days.

If you ask me, they are being very fair and lenient with you.

That was surprise me.
Mod judgement must be objective before deciding to take ban action.

I were looked on your post and I think you're chasing post count rather than keep your quality replies

60 days is really very long time , Hope it can make someone can change his/her habit.

Technically yes but have you looked at his 'latest posts' history? Read at least 2-3 posts and you will understand why he was banned again for 60 days.

yeah 60 days is very long time indeed.. maybe 30days is better :)

When you get unbanned it will likely be your last chance. You were also breaking the rules of your signature campaign as people who are banned can't participate in the campaign.

You are right. You were only posting. You were not actually reading the content behind the thread nor were you actually participating in conversation

What ? Who said that I was participating on the signature compaign while I was banned ? It dosen't even make sense . banned = can't post = won't get paid . I don't see what you mean to be honest

Look whos calling the kettle black.


Im afraid if someone gets banned they are "denied payment" according to Bit-X rules. Whether or not this is permanent is up to speculation. I doubt that it is though, because it would result in their own manager marcotheminer beeing banned from the campaign.


I think Quickseller remembered the rules of the Bit-X campaign as: once you get banned for spam you can never join it again.


Edit: kettle not cattle

quickseller is actually saying that those who are banned before cant participate in bit-x signature campaign

but i found this, it doesnt state that those are banned cant participate after the bann sentence is ended


I dont know if this rules were already been there since the first time or it has been change

That's not true .
Pretty sure I have the right to re-enroll as far as I know , was speaking with Marcotheminer on Skype and asked him if rules changed etc ... he said no , all I need to do is re-enroll and that's it (and he know I was banned) . so you are wrong

Well I think it would be somewhat implied that you would be banned from a campaign if you are denied payment, especially for that reason. This is further implied by the fact that marcotheminer has had a rhetoric of fighting spam.

The policy of allowing people to continue participating in the campaign after being banned is a policy that almost encourages spam.

Join the club. You better don't post on this website. The risk is too high to get banned.

That's not the problem of the enrolled users but of the manager (of sig. campaign). The staff (if want) should put some rules above the sig. campaign itself and try to enforce them; but I have seen only a lot of users banned (and banned again) like Madness and few others. It seems they didn't never read the forum rules.

The mods, and some campaign managers, are clamping down on prolific spammers so it shouldn't be much of a surprize if you are denied payment.

I think it's great we can earn a passive income from making constructive posts but if people (not necessarily you) keep clogging up the forum with spam posts the sigs may get removed completely and then nobody benefits.

This is the main thing that needs to change the campaign managers and owners need to keep clamping down and more, i mean if they care about the forum and benefit from the campaigns then it is only right that they help cut down on the worst spammers to keep this place as free as possible from them.

I think a penalty fee imposed on the campaign managers/owners could help them be more selective to who they first let join and then when they see spammers to report to the mods and advise not to join any campaign until improvement of posts happens, they then have a month cool down then try again, if when checking past posts there is an improvement they should be given a second chance, with a warning we are watching and will report you.

I see you post since you come back op and although they was not all just one liners you was coming back to get as many posts as possible with as little effort this can be seen easily by the watching eye.

Finish your ban and either leave campaigns all together or join one which does not have the unlimited post count because that is a major cause people trying to milk the cow to fast without thinking about their actions.

Good luck and finish your ban without evasion, if you return you need to be careful i think i read that your brother also uses this forum, if you get perm ban they may have to do the same to him, 'that was just thinking out loud' so that would not be good would it.

not true, it will depend on the quality of your post or either if you are spamming to increase your post count or not, but the risk of getting bann is higher if you are using a paid signature

Not true at all...just do not post useless crap and you will not be banned. I have been here a few years and almost posted 4,000 times. I have never been banned or warned for anything.

Again, you've been given a second chance already.  You're asking for a third chance.  Don't push it - be glad they are giving you a third chance.

If that was feasible, mods would just add a feature to disable signatures of spammers. instead of banning them. People are not even allowed to send PMs during their ban period.

I think spammers should be banned...it gets old seeing endless amounts of useless posts. I hope the mods crack down even more on it.

Maybe create a 5-6 page paper on why you are sorry about spamming and how you can help improve the forum and your ban will be reduced to 30 days. I doubt the moderators would have enough time to read it though, maybe posting it publicly would be a good idea.

Hmm...Just reduce your posts and post regularly, you posted more than 30 posts in one day, and some of your posts are actually useless.If you are trying to boost your post counts up to earn more money, I'm sure useless crap will be produced.

BTW, Madness is not even a formal name, why did you added it to every single posts as your signature?

Sad story, Just wait until after banned period and don't enroll any signature campaign, you'll be fine.

I'm going for the low hanging fruit, I'll work my way up the tree. I do plan to aggressively continue and dedicate the majority of the time I spend here to this. Up to now, over the past couple weeks since I started the crackdown, individual account bans is around 75, total accounts banned (sig spam related) including permanent bans, alt accounts, etc is well over 100. I do think the forum is a bit more readable lately, more actual discussion going on without so many disjointed/out of place posts, but I only read certain sections and threads, and do have a job/family/hobbies so I'm limited on how much time I can spend here, so I'm not going to catch them all alone.  

If you pm me about sig spammers, rest assured, I do read them all and check them out. Some go on my "watchlist", some I act on. I don't generally respond to such pm's though, I don't really like discussing actions taken against users with other users, and I don't have time to respond to all the pm's. If you've pm'ed me about such users and haven't gotten a response, don't let that discourage you. I know it sucks to not get a response, I really do, I've been there. It feels like the pms are going into a black hole, and it was a waste of time. Just treat it like reports, send a pm about it and move on, I'll deal with it if it's needed. I do appreciate it, I get a lot of pms (have almost 6k pms in my inbox) but I think this is important.

As for the OP, you do the same thing a lot of sig spammers do, you read the subject line, maybe the op, pound out a quick response, move onto the next thread, rinse and repeat. You aren't actually participating in the forum or the discussions within, and it's obvious from your posts.

Do you think there can be any alternatives to permanently banning spammers and general banning? When using TOR you have to pay a fee to register. It could be the same with ban lengths.

Why would the forum want these spammers if they post useless stuff though? If a user brings nothing to the conversation why cut them a break just to have more useless posts?

Pay to remove bans or reduce ban lengths? Can't wait to see what meta would look like after that, all the 'BANNED FOR NO REASON WHY?!?!?!?" would turn into "BANNED TO MAKE ME PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS RANSOM TO GET MY ACCOUNT BACK". Whatever fee is instituted would need to be fairly significant considering how much some of the campaigns are paying out. Adding financial incentives to banning people isn't a good idea overall, and would add excessive pressure on myself and others to justify said bans. Right now, the only incentive I have to ban sig spammers is to benefit the forum (whether you agree with my judgement or not is a separate matter, I understand and respect that some don't agree with my decisions, I just hope they understand they may not always have all the information they need for a proper judgement).

Besides, the "tor tax" isn't for banned users to make new accounts, it's for innocents wrongly caught in ip bans, which does happen, particularly when using Tor, vpn's, or other proxies. Banned users paying to register new accounts are still ban evading, is not allowed, and they will still be banned again. Banned users were banned for a reason.

Depending how much the fees were to be it could go towards maintaining the forum. I agree it would create threads where people are complaining, but meta currently has many active posters responding to these types of threads. I think if people have trusted moderators judgement up to this point, adding a fee wouldn't change it. Besides, it would show who actually wanted to get back to the forum, and provide incentive not to spam. I'm unsure what the other 75 users you banned the last few weeks did or how many people don't create new accounts when they are banned or wait out their bans.

Spammers spam. If the amount is high than the bonus from referral link spam, spammers may go but putting such a high price will also scare away people with good intention if they don't have enough money to cover this. I don't like "ban fee" because it destroys the use of ban IMHO. Patience will make them better than earlier.

Yeah, it would be used in conjunction with the ban period. All ban rules still apply, you can still get permanently banned if you continue to spam after several warnings.

On Just-Dice we require users who have been added to the bot ignore list (aka no rain) to pay a very very small fine. 

Pain in the ass.  I would not recommend it no matter what the fee is.

Thank you for responding BadBear.
So there is no chance to give me a "third" chance & I promise to post less and remove my signature compaign please ? :'(

Is the system automated you use or is it manual? What are some of the things that make it a pain in the ass? Do you mind sharing how much fees you collect per week or month compared to active users and people banned? Also if youre talking about the chat box where you're dealing with spammers who act like 10 year olds I'd agree it would be a pain in the ass.

Obviously,no. You can't post at the moment but you can still read the thread.

It seem how many you post isn't matter, it's about the way you post or quality of your posts. Don't try to boost your post counts up, post when you do have something to say. see blow.

Yes there is.   :)

Just wait the 60 days and you'll have your third chance.  Good luck!

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People complaining that the mods are muting them unfairly, milking it for chat-bot money, over all unfair or just crying in general because they got caught abusing chat attempting to earn more milking the system.


I think the fee is only like 0.011 CLAM (which isn't much BTC at all.)  It was actually my idea to charge a fine, but I was thinking like .1CLAM... I think .011 is just enough to get ppl to bitch when they see they can't check prices or other wise use the main bot.  So once they pay up they have their bot privileges & rain back.  Still needs some time to run to see how people settle into it. 

Not sure on what it earns per month.  I see someone pay the fine everyone once in a while... doesn't earn enough to call home about though.



Yep... same degenerates such as the OP of this thread and every other signature milker / account seller.  Lots of the same ones too I believe.

I guess there is no hope from begging then ? :(
one more question , when I'am banned , my Activity will still rise with time or I should post . (if I have a lot more posts then Activity)

your activity wont rise as you need to post at least 1x post in 2 weeks interval to accumulate activity points, and madness you are banned for 60 days , this means that you gonna lose like 56 of activity points

No, if you don't post at least one post in 14 days your activity will stuck and you 'will lose' 14 points every 14 days. So the next time try to participate actively to the thread and don't post only for boost your post count.

Bye.

Damn , well thanks for your answering
closing the thread now .