XBY could be flying if not for the infighting. Have been watching this for months now.. Seems to me like a virus.. The community is strong, the tech is strong, the coin is strong, but could it be said about the senior members..One day it's one story and another day it's another story. Why all these. For goodness sake, community sake and XBY sake, please guys.. please don't have to wash dirty linen in public..there is a place for everything..do it the right way. These are the demons that have to be controlled, if XBY is to be a TOP 10 Crypto currency by end of 2018 and I believe it could be!
I honestly think it will only take one more tech release and the trolls will have less sway. The coordinated dumps and fud are just spreading the coin to more hands so they will have less impact over time. Just keep buying low and holding. Yes, I think the same. This FUD yesterday, hm, somebody got some cheap XBY, some people quit. that's very good for XBY in the long term IMHO. After all this stress tests XBY will be healthier.   Exactly I think same like u. Question for FUDDERS  If u really think this project and Dave is bad why you are just screaming about this in posts? Why dont u sell and leave slack channel? I saw many times people are making fud but their target is just one. To buy more cheap coins. If they really believe project or Dave is bad they should just to leave project and sell coins but they are not doing this! There will be two kind of people. We will have winners and loosers here. Loosers will be people who believe in FUD and will sell their coins very cheap. Only them will be loosers. Winners are 2 group of people. First of them are FUDDERS. They making scream and writing bad things about Dave and project but they have just one target like i said - to buy more cheap coins. They know what they are doing They are kind of smart people. And second part of winners are people who strongly believe in project and will stay here and keep coins for long term. This way we have 3 groups of people. Two of them are winning and just one is loosing. Make your choice wisely. That is all you should to know how it works in crypto world We just need a little more tech to be tested or released so there power will go down. Every coin has something like this happening there are just more people to help drown it out. |
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tjeffs impartial criticism of the absence of transparency is true, as long as no comprehensible reason is claimed on why this secrecy is necessary. Beeing opaque is the most disqualifying factor for new and serious investors. Especially in such an early stage of a project, when trust is the most important thing of all.
I have been full of hope for XtraBytes. But after I have to read that (legimitate) critics should better sell their coins and leave, I'm just a bit thoughtful now. Because this statement shows nothing less than a deep lack of understatement in how the market works and how it works to lead a project to success: A project is nothing without investors. And less than nothing without investors who care. Nobody owns the whole truth about what is right or wrong. That's why a strong community with many ideas, suggestions, criticisms and many points of views is the key to success. You better should listen to each other, because you are dependent on each other -
... if the project XtraBytes is still important for you.
Just my five cents.
Regards!
McW
The problem is that we get one post in 4 or 5 pages of negative posts that has actual concrete arguments that are based on the project with examples. Most of this round and when xFuel was released just sounds like person problems that always happen when you are on a board(I've been on 4 boards in different business fields). They are not providing any value just some magic about how they had some other path that would have led to profitibity. They don't say what that path was or could be going forward. Just we need to get rid of CCRev. If they actually cared about the coin and knew a better way they would provide us with a roadmap to actual success. Instead they take the easy way out and do what you see on this thread and slack. It is always easy to say we could do better its much harder to step up with actual ideas and plans. |
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Okay so I've been around for a long time. So here's some hard truths about XBY.
1) Dave (ccrevolution) is not suited for his position. He is incompetent as a leader, marketer and general human being. He doesn't understand crypto, it's culture or even the basics of how it functions as an economy. HE creates the fud. It's not the other way around. People aren't just randomly picking on the project. Ccr is creating it with his deplorable leadership skills, lack of communication, and general lack of respect for crypto culture. I was there the day DutchDude was created, that all started with simple real questions about XBY and Dave flipped out and banned him, starting a forever spiral of fud/antifud comments. Why did this happen? It's simple, Dave is not suited for the market he's trying to sell to. He can't explain simple concepts about his product because he DOES NOT KNOW. And the only one who does is borz (I'll get to him in a second)
2) The yes-men conundrum. The fact of the matter is, the only people shilling this still are total idiots and people who bought in high who and are looking for their dump point. This includes the people that Dave surrounds himself with within the board and the ardent supporters here on BCT and on the slack. Just as this post will be attacked so will anyone who asks hard questions in the slack.
3) The scam. How is this a scam? You ask. Well it's simple really when you think about it. The XBY core and the XFUEL core are not in public repo on github, and the node structure is ridiculous.
a) Public repo. There is absolutely NO PROOF OF TECHNOLOGY without public repos. That's a simple fact. They are marketing XFUEL as proof of posign, fine then release it so I and other crypto programmers can review the code. Oh but no, we can't do that because we might fork it? What kind of logic is that? Everything that is good in crypto is forked, period. Programmer's have public repos of their code both within and outside of crypto. Having it public has not hurt a single coin out there. No but bad marketing and mismanagement has. So really at the end of the day, if there's no public repo this all exists in the fantasy land of theory. Nice theory, now prove it.
b) The Nodes. First the registration process for the nodes it totally ridiculous. THAT is poor programming. And other than 'because' there's not been offered a good reason on why the registration process isn't more like DASH. Then the lvl 2 comes along before lvl 1's are even operational. Then lo and behold, lvl 3's appear on the horizon... but, but what about lvl 1? No that's still a long ways off. So no functioning nodes? They lock up your coin for literally nothing. Charge you for the pleasure of not having liquid xby. Then the glorious pyramid scheme structure. Really bravo, you are selling people literally nothing, no finished product and to top it off it's a pyramid scheme. Lets have a look at lvl 1's again, they aren't showing you how many have broken. Without that transparency in place this whole thing stinks of a scam.
4) The mysterious borz. The cult of borz is sickening. Especially when there isn't any proof of anything. He doesn't have a public repo showing his past work beyond the coin burn, which by itself is suspicious. Then there's the fact that his judgement is clearly flawed by allowing a clown to run the front of the shop. He won't communicate with the community about his vision. All we get out of him is a basic theory, not even attempting to explain the greater details of how posign works. There's a great many people within the community who aren't drooling idiots, and to assume 'they just won't understand' is the height of arrogance. So is it just arrogance or the fact that he can't even explain? He can't or he won't. It's one of the two. Personally a 'genius' god like programmer who doesn't share his genius, isn't a genius at all. Furthermore, how in the world can someone be an economic genius when they clearly doesn't have any grasp of economics, see the XFUEL roll out.
5) The lack of transparency. There is no transparency with XBY it's all diversion, stalling and silence. The fact is they call this a community coin without taking input from the community. The community has no say. How about just being honest and saying that it's NOT a community coin, that dave/borz is the alpha and omega of XBY and that's all there is to it.
6) The Static node holders. When founded they got a vote. That was the deal. There was at least some amount of governance by allowing them to have a vote in the future of the coin. That is not the case any longer, and hasn't been for some time. That needs to be set to rights, they need to have their vote in the direction of XBY, because clearly Dave does NOT have the best interests of XBY at heart. Also exactly how many of you are left? I know for a FACT the site isn't updating the current number. Again where is the transparency?
7) The absolute mismanagement of funds. There IS A DEVELOPER FUND. And Dave refuses to use it. Instead Dave comes up with the scam shitcoin XFUEL. And then he is a FOUNDER and yet claims he is exempt from helping to pay for the development of HIS coin. No, this is nothing more than scam. And the beautiful icing on this shitcoin cake, he won't share his wallet address. Developers and founders throughout crypto show their addresses for the sake of transparency and to build trust. What makes him so special? He has a crazy number of nodes, or does he? Has he been dumping all along? Who knows, because he is not TRANSPARENT.
In conclusion,
In the real business, corporate world he would have been removed already on the mismanagement of funds alone. Add to that the mismanagement of the marketing and general mismanagement of the board and community it's literally amazing that this guy is still in place. Since it's inception somewhere around ten board members have stepped down because he is impossible to work with. How in the world is this a good investment when it's run by such a horrible manager and it is literally NO product?
This is the type of post that is actually helpful to the conversation. Unlike the name calling, insulting and general disregard for other individuals. I think some important points are raised here and are done so in a way that need to be responded to in the same manner. There is nothing wrong with civil discourse about what is happening with this coin. With a clear and concise response the community can feel comfortable holding onto XBY for the long haul. |
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Where can I find a roadmap for this?  Yankeeruinx That is a great distillation of how xFuel expands the power of XBY with out diluting the current coin's value. |
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XBY could be flying if not for the infighting. Have been watching this for months now.. Seems to me like a virus.. The community is strong, the tech is strong, the coin is strong, but could it be said about the senior members..One day it's one story and another day it's another story. Why all these. For goodness sake, community sake and XBY sake, please guys.. please don't have to wash dirty linen in public..there is a place for everything..do it the right way. These are the demons that have to be controlled, if XBY is to be a TOP 10 Crypto currency by end of 2018 and I believe it could be!
I honestly think it will only take one more tech release and the trolls will have less sway. The coordinated dumps and fud are just spreading the coin to more hands so they will have less impact over time. Just keep buying low and holding. |
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I dont want to get involved in the spat between the board members, but I will say I think it is important, if this project wants to grow beyond the 10/15ml$ cap level... need to bring onboard someone who has history with past successful crypto projects, native english speaker, contacts inside crypto / blockchain space.
The developer is Hungarian and thats fine but I think the team who pushes this project forward in terms of marketing, and everything else should be headed by someone who has the qualities I listed above. Just my opinion.
That seems to be the goal of xfuel. With limited resources it was a way to incentivise the expansion of the development team. Since it was Borz's idea we hope that will lead to him letting others in to the development process which would mean a faster dev cycle. Faster dev cycle leads to more exposure, more concrete examples of the system and a higher coin price. |
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Donīt really get all the noise. If rich wants to be richer a few XBY cents wonīt matter and the time wasted shouting and FUDing should be more precious. If the problem is some dumping and shorting that went wrong and rich is rich just re-enter at current price, it would still be pocket change for a 5 year crypto full of experience person. If itīs some personal problem of someone not being given the credit he believes he deserves all the personal attacks does not speak highly of a person.
Iīll keep chilling and holding and watching the circus...
I agree. Just keep reading up on what XBY is actually doing and planning on doing and ignore the day to day. All coins have in fighting just look at BTC. A few new folks might have been scared off today but we are just another announcement away from swamping this board with another 50 pages of post and postivite news and this will just be a blip. |
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I've invested in crypto since 2011. You have admitted you are new to this area. I have known this project since early this year. You just discovered it.
You give me some proof anyone should listen to you and not me?
What did I swear and offend you? Killing hundreds of peoples investments for one mans ego is fucking offensive to me.
I am new to crypto and old in traditional investments that's the point. If you are not convincing me then how can you possibly convince anyone that has been around. Have you ever interacted with someone in the manner you are and actually changed their mind. I don't think so. Trolling is fun governing is harder. |
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It was me you fucking pajeet.
All the board members hate ccrev. They know he is incompetent and an asshole.
Im trying to save xby you newbie noob.
Sorry but you just cant have somone as stupid as ccrev who knows nothing about this business and just sells vitamins online to head a high tech businesses....you just cant.
*oh and btw the guy henry who posted on the slack. Nothing to do with me. I heard he spoke to some other members and is actually a fund manager type person looking at disrupting projects. Please read everything he said. He just found the project and was spot on....this is how non pajeets think. He knew straight away ccrev needed to be gone for good of the company. Ffs everyone but dicks get this...why am i having to argue..
Its very binary....ccrev stays...xby fails.
Ccrev leaves....ccrev and eveyone gets rich in 6 months.
The question is has how you just responded changed anyone's mind. I don't think so. If you read my post I never said if the statements being made were true or not only that the way it is being approached is incorrect. How you sound and the tone that is being presented is not offering us a better solution to our problem. Your suggesting CCRev is bad because he doesn't know what he is doing and offends potential investors. But how you are arguing your point suggests that you have no better options. If you are trying to improve the structure of XBY and improve the outward appearance of the governing body insults, cursing and racial slurs are certainly not going to win you many followers. I want want is best for XBY as a coin holder. |
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I have information from ex board members that I can start to reveal. CCREVOLUTION was asked to step down from controlling the board but instead he bullied even more the board and disregarded all their wisdom and experience. Board members pleaded him to drop Fuel but he wouldn't. The root of this is a very strong bond CCREVOLUTION has made with BORZ and so he can do whatever he wants. If the community doesn't get rid of him this project will not succeed and and success will be a shadow of what its could of been.
Does the community know CCREVOLUTIONS apology months back was written by a board member who had to beg him for days to let him post it?
We had this same verbiage come out when xfuel was released by a certain board member so everyone can assume who you are already. If you really wanted to make a change you would use your real name and come with all the ex-board members and community members you speak about. If what you claim is true how on earth is the strategy you are currently using going to make any difference except to further diminish XBY's standing. You haven't been able to make a compelling argument so far only using vague threats and so called missed opportunities. This is not an true attempt at structural change just bitter rantings. XBY's goals will keep getting met and we will see growth. |
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1 satoshi, 100 satoshi, 1000 satoshi, what it started at is irrelevant. Free market will determinate XBY's value via organic growth, and if it thinks it is worth 1b+ dollars once everything is in place (and there is good chance it will imo) then it will reach it.
MOSTICOs are scams / illegal / doomed to fail, plain and simple.
FYP Ha! Correct. Most. But lets also remember that XTRABYTES did not have a pre-mine either. I am a huge fan of the free market, and ICO's would fall under that category. So, I don't necessarily disagree with all of them, because in the end, the market will always sort it self out. We are seeing it now. Investors are becoming keen to the ICO shams and are now looking for other places to park their btc to grow. The nice thing about XBY not having an ICO is we are not guessing what all the quick sellers are going to let the price drop down to. The people that have XBY right now are in it and new investors don't have to worry about a crazy drop in price that normally happens after the ICO. |
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1 satoshi, 100 satoshi, 1000 satoshi, what it started at is irrelevant. Free market will determinate XBY's value via organic growth, and if it thinks it is worth 1b+ dollars once everything is in place (and there is good chance it will imo) then it will reach it.
ICOs are scams and are illegal, plain and simple.
The market has to know you exist and right now that is one of the bigger hurdles. This latest media push has put a bunch of new eye balls looking at the coin. With a steady stream of updates and more technical releases the functionality of the network should help bring in more folks. I think how the XBY team is going about this next stage of growth is economical in both terms of using their resources wisely and letting people see what is happening while not over promising the short term. |
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There was a good climb over the past 2 weeks that I think will go a little higher before we have to wait for another testnet run for the price to go even higher. There will be so many more folks watching the tech compared to the last test run. All those eyes will see how well this system can perform and we will see another jump. Once the major tech is release we will see a big spike in price but hopefully it will be a steady uptick that will have a smaller correction.
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I was told that people made some good money from XTRABYTES before it's early crash. Firstly is this true? If so, why did it crash? Does this put a dent in its future success?
I think if you look at the history of many cryptos you see the pattern that XBY has gone through. BTC had a few huge crashes on is way to were it is today. There are probably some bag holders who bought in during the last run up but most likely they will see the new growth pattern and the newly developed tech and hold when we get back up to the predrop prices. Yea, we have seen slow and steady growth the last couple weeks. XBY has large holders just like any other coin does. But there was not a pre-mine, so the people who bought in early were just sorta blessed Even with the BTC price volatility, XBY is looking pretty strong. The upcoming technology, when delivered, will be a game changer. Sure, some might sell when we see price increase, but imo that is a good thing because it will spread out the distribution. Many will not sell though, not with all the recent activity and excitment about development. We are also at a pretty low volume so an individual trader who makes an error in pricing like what happened yesterday can swing our price. But as we move forward and as Statics get up and running a significant portion of our whales will be tied to the system. Unlike coins where it is really just a store of value. And of course there will always be corrections which will let even more people join the XBY train. |
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We still are waiting on the release of the majority the Statics. Some of the statics are filled but there are still more level 1 node to opened up as well as all the level 2 and 3 nodes. They are working hard to get the next round of testing online as well as registration for the static nodes. |
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I was told that people made some good money from XTRABYTES before it's early crash. Firstly is this true? If so, why did it crash? Does this put a dent in its future success?
I think if you look at the history of many cryptos you see the pattern that XBY has gone through. BTC had a few huge crashes on is way to were it is today. There are probably some bag holders who bought in during the last run up but most likely they will see the new growth pattern and the newly developed tech and hold when we get back up to the predrop prices. |
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I've actually already had a phishing attempt in the XBY slack a while back.
Safest thing for me is Cryptopia with 2FA enabled on everything action..
2FA is good but if you just have it on your phone that is a liability. If someone gets control of your phone which there are plenty of hacks out there if they trick you to click a link they can easily get by the 2FA. Or if you just lose your phone. Hard security is a hassle and thats why most of us go with good enough. But I'm sure there are plenty of early BTC adopters who wished they had setup the hassle. Both for slowing them down from selling off at what they thought were good prices and protecting them from the blackhats. XBY will be a much bigger target soon as the price continues to climb. |
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Security question, what is the safest way to store xby, i have some amount on exchanges and i don't want to sell i want to hold for long time, so what do i do i instal wallet on USB and put it offline or? - download your wallet from https://xtrabytes.tech/ for your OS - open your wallet and click "receive coins" - copy your address or generate a new one - send your xby coins from exhange to your address - done, now your xby are safe on your machine, consider to protect it with a strong password, backup it and copy it in a safe place - from your wallet you can send coins too, you can try with my donations address :°D For really long term storage it would make sense for it to be taken to a computer that doesn't have a internet connection or at least one that you don't normally use. As XBY gains in value we will be more targeted. Phishing attempts can fool really smart people. And if you can store a copy in a second location then you will be even better off. |
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I think the transactions per second is one of the biggest points from this article that people not familiar with XBY will get. It is straight forward and something people can easily understand. That is one of the biggest selling points for this coin for sure. |
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Someone just got out, so feel free to jump in for nearly free now! I don't understand why anyone would dump at these prices. They are practically giving away what could be a game changing platform. In any event...thanks dumper! I got some more XBY nice and cheap. Probably they are gambling with the BTC Fork and hoping for a run up that will bring alt prices down. Not a gamble I would be willing to take with XBY. With all the recent coverage and the break through tech that could show up for testing at any moment. |
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