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101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BitcoinDark (BTCD)--Teleport/Telepathy Privacy Tech--SuperNET Core Coin on: November 14, 2014, 12:57:13 AM
Any bets on the price? Onto a third month of a falling knife before the SN GUI is released?
I'm willing to bet it's less than it is now (0.00493796 current high buy order on Cryptsy).

I'll wager 0.02 BTCD
..going once
..going twice

I'm going to assume you meant 0.002, not 0.02.  There is such little buy and sell volume and so few orders on the books that the price is pretty volatile and largely meaningless.  That said, it has been pretty stable with a bottom around 0.005 for the last month now.  My guess is that it will not dip below 0.004 for any significant amount of time.  I doubt that I am the only one willing to put my hand up and say that I'll be buying decent amounts at that price point.  It's laughable that it would only take 5 BTC to drop the price to 0.004 though, so who knows!.  If I had to bet whether the price would be 0.002 or 0.02 in 6 months time, I know which I would pick...
No, I meant I was willing to risk 0.02 BTCD cents that the price pre-wallet release falls below it's current level.  I too suspect that if/when it reaches 0.004 that more than a few people will be plopping some decent coin down to snatch up as much as they can.  And if/when it drops below 0.003 many will likely do the same only with more vigor.  If by some miracle we hit the 0.002 range again, this is where I suspect we might find a bottom...perhaps the 0.00225 range?  <--my absolute low-ball guess

Optimistically, maybe see another 100K satoshi's per BTCD again maybe by the middle of next year? Hopefully the new wallet release goes off without a hitch Smiley

I'm confused.  Why do you think it will keep going down with all the new tech that will be released by the end of this year?
I suspect it will continue it's downward movement for several reasons:
1.) Existing buy support for this coin is weak on both Cryptsy and Bittrex imho and overall daily purchase volume is lousy.  Not alot of new money getting into BTCD atm imho.
2.) Though new wallet soon to be released and it looks good, sounds like most of the tech is still at least several weeks away and even when released will likely require a fairly decent amount of beta-testing to work out whatever bugs will likely still be lingering.
3.) Obvious bot-like manipulation of orderbooks has been going on for sometime and it appears whomever is doing it has alotta BTCD.  (I honestly thought this was James himself for quite sometime:)
4.) Given #1 above it doesn't take much for even a relatively small bag holder to quite literally crush the price selling off a couple hundred coins at any given time.

I agree that there's definitely a downtrend right now and it probably will continue until the end of this year, but you're predicting that it's going to keep decreasing up to the middle of next year.  I think when everything comes together at the end of this year or early next year, there will be a lot of new people coming into BTCD.
102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BitcoinDark (BTCD)--Teleport/Telepathy Privacy Tech--SuperNET Core Coin on: November 13, 2014, 04:17:02 AM
Any bets on the price? Onto a third month of a falling knife before the SN GUI is released?
I'm willing to bet it's less than it is now (0.00493796 current high buy order on Cryptsy).

I'll wager 0.02 BTCD
..going once
..going twice

I'm going to assume you meant 0.002, not 0.02.  There is such little buy and sell volume and so few orders on the books that the price is pretty volatile and largely meaningless.  That said, it has been pretty stable with a bottom around 0.005 for the last month now.  My guess is that it will not dip below 0.004 for any significant amount of time.  I doubt that I am the only one willing to put my hand up and say that I'll be buying decent amounts at that price point.  It's laughable that it would only take 5 BTC to drop the price to 0.004 though, so who knows!.  If I had to bet whether the price would be 0.002 or 0.02 in 6 months time, I know which I would pick...
No, I meant I was willing to risk 0.02 BTCD cents that the price pre-wallet release falls below it's current level.  I too suspect that if/when it reaches 0.004 that more than a few people will be plopping some decent coin down to snatch up as much as they can.  And if/when it drops below 0.003 many will likely do the same only with more vigor.  If by some miracle we hit the 0.002 range again, this is where I suspect we might find a bottom...perhaps the 0.00225 range?  <--my absolute low-ball guess

Optimistically, maybe see another 100K satoshi's per BTCD again maybe by the middle of next year? Hopefully the new wallet release goes off without a hitch Smiley

I'm confused.  Why do you think it will keep going down with all the new tech that will be released by the end of this year?
103  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SuperNET asset 12071612744977229797, trading symbol UNITY on: November 12, 2014, 04:12:10 AM
Beginning of 2015 will be an amazing time for SuperNET.  Looking forward to it.
104  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed on: November 11, 2014, 01:32:42 AM
give it a day or too, the truth will be twisted to come out in a positive light for xc/blocknet

l'll start early.

The truth is that Prometheus approached us yesterday, saying that his dev was in a rough patch and asking whether we could possibly take on Util. He did not want to drop the coin but was at a loss as to how best to go forward on his own. Since the Blocknet has a lot of resources, and since Util's tech will be valuable to the Blocknet, it makes sense for us to take it on.

That's all really.

But I know you all won't be persuaded.




It's funny that you call this the FUD thread, yet you obviously still follow it and post here trying to explain things.

Nice dictatorship you got going over there btw.  "How we do it is up to us. You don't get a say."  The guy was just voicing a valid concern.

PS:  Nice to see another "supporter" finally wake up
PPS:  And please, never start a sentence with "the truth is".  That made me giggle a bit.
105  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SuperNET asset 12071612744977229797, trading symbol UNITY on: November 09, 2014, 05:08:07 PM

Can someone help clear up some confusion for me?  For example, in the Newsletter, it sounded like holders of UNITY will receive NeoDice dividends without necessarily having to hold NeoDice assets.  Is this the case, or do you have to hold both?  Thanks...


UNITY holders got a Neodice dividend already. they only had to hold Unity, not neodice

I think he's asking if SuperNET asset holders can get dividends from the revenue that NeoDICE will make without having to simultaneously hold the NeoDICE asset.

From what I can interpret, you don't have to hold the NeoDICE asset to get the dividends since SuperNET owns a big portion of NeoDICE and the revenue will flow through SuperNET.
106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 09, 2014, 03:25:39 PM
That screenshot does not mention HAL and it does not mention Dan being the dev of HAL.  Huh
I makes no mention of Dan having done even one line of coding.

It mentions a "project". Most likely the Blocknet.


Quote from: Prometheus Lightbearer
He was the anon dev for HAL..

Are you trolling?
Are you?
Why did you post an alleged quote from someone but did not give the source of the quote?




It's from the screen shot you were referring to!


Now that he finally refers to the screenshot after avoiding it a few times when asked directly, he goes and say that he can't see mention of hal and Dan being the dev when Prom clearly states it?

Yeah, he is totally trolling. I refuse to believe that somebody could be that stupid.  But then again, I could be proven wrong here.
107  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 08, 2014, 08:40:51 PM
Some very good points here.  It's funny that some of us are trying to analyze all this and considering multiple possibilities,
It's called "Ochams Razor". The simplest explanation is the best explanation
You will consider any explanation no matter how imbecilic, and ignore the obvious explanation
Dan was asked to review many coins, and so he reviewed HAL.

Some how you want Dan to be merely a reviewer of all the other coins but suddenly, when it suits you, he stops being a reviewer and becomes the developer of HAL. Grin


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Wow, you are either totally trolling or totally do not understand what I've been saying.  WE ALL KNOW THAT DAN CODE REVIEWED FOR HAL.  This has been established.

Here's his code review:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741728.msg8723167;topicseen#msg8723167

What I've been trying to tell you is that he has ALSO always secretly been the dev for HAL (as stated in the skype screenshot).  What this means is that his code review was unethical because he did it while giving people the impression that he had nothing to do with Hal's development.

Here's the screenshot again:  http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2

Do you understand now or do I really need to explain this step by step?  I've repeated myself like 4 times already.

It's funny, you were the one who told me to go back and re-read things (which I did), yet you probably haven't even carefully read any of the stuff yourself.

108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 07, 2014, 10:11:34 PM
There are many possible scenarios indicated by the language that Dan has used to describe his relationship with HAL. I personally think he has at least some coding ability, and potentially lots, but we do know that he outsources a large amount of his coding. Dan repeatedly made statements like "I didn't code for HAL", which may very well be true statements. There exsits many possibilities in between where he could have still developed for HAL, but outsourced the actual coding. Prometheus mentioned that Dan 'took the HAL anon to another level', he may have designed it and had Christian Howe code it. He may have not done that, and simply worked with Promethus on a strictly theoretical level, outlining the tech while Prometheus paid his own man to code it(although the 'Dan's coin' talk from both Prom and Coinada makes this seem less likely). So while there are many different scenarios that might have taken place - and we're obviously not going to be getting the full truth anytime soon - either Prom and Coinada are lying about Dan's involvement in HAL, or Dan had some level of involvement in it.

If Prom and Coinada are not lying, then was it unethical for Dan to do a code review for HAL?

If Prom and Coinada are lying, and Dan had actually had zero involvement with HAL specifically before the code review ,would it be ethical for him to review HAL's code considering by this time he was already involved with Prometheus?

If this seemingly unlikely course of events look place, it still reflects very poorly on Dan. All of those code reviews did. Even when we as a community naively assumed that he was in fact an unbiased third party. The community at large certainly did not know about his connection with Prometheus. If you think that would have been ignored after reading the XC thread where multiple members put forth the belief that XC was somehow different and not associated with the shady underground of altcoins, then you weren't paying attention. The XC echo chamber shielded many of those community members from the true opinions of people, but I can guarantee you that you could mention XC on any trollbox or non XC thread and hear some real opinions about XC and Dan Metcalf. If you think I'm lying, I'd advise you to try it sometime posing as someone making a legit inquiry about XC and watch the reactions you get.

I've been following XC since the 500k bubble. To say that the community at large hasn't widely considered XC to be shady would be either a lie at worse and ignorant at best. Everything from the loljosh clone launch, to the defense of Jasinlee, to the closed source and moderated threads, and then the kiss of death code reviews gave XC and Dan one of the worst reputations among people in the community not directly involved in pump groups(who if course couldn't care less about ethics). The code reviews specifically - even before all of these new revelations about the Promethus connection - were already widely considered desperate and damaging to Dan's personal reputation. There's a reason he's not going to be doing code reviews anymore. And it's certainly not the thousands of dollars he was receiving that's making him stop, he knew what kind of lasting damage they were doing.

You and Dan a use a similar strategy of replying 'which is it, Dan can't code, or Dan is the lead developer for HAL? Dan is Prometheus, or am I Wolong now?' attempting to avoid the points by taking speculations from other people which are irrelevant to the current point and attempting to use them to make peoples specific unrelated arguments seem absurd. I can tell you are close to XC and Dan, for a while I thought you might be Dan himself, I'm not sure. Doesn't really matter though.

Without the FUD meme that's been used to brainwash XC supporters in to ignoring even the slightest consideration of evidence, or even question things with some basic critical thinking skills, would XC even be around today? Debate and discussion that could even just potentially imply some negativity towards XC is outlawed, and the results are kind of amazing. The true believers are seemingly immune to even questioning any idea that might result in XC being negatively impacted. It's on a level that I've never seen before in altcoins and it's actually kind of fascinating. The only thing that gives me some pause is that a lot of these true believers are actually sock puppets, but I'm pretty sure that I can tell there are still a significant amount of legit individuals. I'd like to see how long XC can keep this thing going. Price will likely have little effect on people now as most will already consider it not worth the damage to their ego to sell their bag, and it's XC's specialty to sell followers on the idea of green pastures just around the corner. But as the financial incentive goes away for the XC team, the effort that it takes to maintain the community delusion will begin to fade. XC isn't going to magically become a successful altcoin now, especially not after this. It's just question of when it will finally fade away.

Some very good points here.  It's funny that some of us are trying to analyze all this and considering multiple possibilities, while all that some of the XC/Blocknet supporters could consider is that everything must be FUD.  Brainwashed is probably an appropriate term here.

The observations that you made in your last paragraph are some of the same ones that I have made.  I guess I should add sock puppet accounts to my list of possible types of supporters.

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My conclusion after trying to converse and reason with some XC/Blocknet supporters is that there are 3 4 possibilities:
1.  They refuse to look at the details and question them because they are afraid of what it may mean for their investment
2.  They have looked at the details, but are really that naive and do not understand the implications of the information that have come to light
3.  They have looked at the details and understand the implications, but do not care that the people behind it are unethical (i.e. knowingly supporting the scam)
4.  They are sock puppet accounts
109  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 07, 2014, 09:31:50 PM
Everything that was posted is very concerning, but to me stops short of scamming. Rather, i'd like to use the word scummy instead since Dan associates with prom.

Thanks for you input.  I'm curious, would you consider Dan doing a "code review" of Hal's anon code while giving the impression that he was an unbiased third party scammy or scummy?

As references, here is the skype screenshot (http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2) and here is the code review (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741728.msg8723167;topicseen#msg8723167)

It really depends on a few factors such as was he paid, directly by someone or indirectly by building up trust for a pump and dump.

Wait, did you even carefully read the screenshot and the code review I posted?  If you did, I don't think you would be considering that.

I guess this just goes to prove my point that some people really do not see the implications of this.
110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 07, 2014, 08:46:51 PM
Lol, so you're on the side that thinks Dan is the super coder HAL dev as well as the XC dev? Hold on one second, let me find for you a troll that thinks Dan can't code. It would make for such an interesting debate. It would be like two retards fighting. And I find it ironic that you are calling us naive, chances are 99% of you haven't followed XC's development at all and are just regurgitating the same bullshit that other trolls began to speculate about. Not only that but going forward with the XC FUD would also seem to better your investment in SuperNET right. It's always a good thing to make your only major competitor look like a scam, deceiful, shaddy, that way you can capitalize. It's not surprising that the 3 major groups that are trolling XC are Super, SDC and DRK.

Super is a direct competitor and anything said to hurt block is useful for your sake. I even recall the BTCD dev tried to make a persuasive post claiming that BlockNET was in fact a scam and that SuperNET was not. Good job at marketing your project fuckface.
SDC has a terrible track record for trolling other coins that may appear to offer better technology or that will hurt profits for the few bagholders, this makes it the 5th time with XC. There is a 35 page thread that proves this as well on the main page.
DRK has always had a hateful relationship with XC. It was so bad that Evan and Dan had to make a joint statement to call off the FUD wars. It is not the least bit surprising to see some DRK fanboys taking shots at XC during this smear campaign.

Yes, I am invested in SuperNET.  I've never tried to hide that.  But no, I do not feel that Blocknet is a threat.  As far as I'm concerned, it's not even a competition.

And yes, I actually have been following XC's development for quite some time.  If you look at my post history, you can see that I used to be involved with Keycoin, which Dan also code reviewed.  This is how I first heard about Dan and XC.  However, after discovering that there were some odd things surrounding it, I followed my gut and decided to end my support for Keycoin.

Instead of constantly using the defense that "competitors are just out to FUD" (which is a rather weak defense btw), why not analyze some of the information that we actually have.  There's obviously a lot of things going on at once, so let's simplify it and look at one thing at a time.  Since adhitthana has not been able to respond to this, maybe you can:

Skype screenshot with Prom saying that Dan "was the anon dev for HAL" (http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2)
HAL code review (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741728.msg8723167;topicseen#msg8723167)

What do you think this means and what are the implications?
111  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 07, 2014, 07:37:09 PM
Everything that was posted is very concerning, but to me stops short of scamming. Rather, i'd like to use the word scummy instead since Dan associates with prom.

Thanks for you input.  I'm curious, would you consider Dan doing a "code review" of Hal's anon code while giving the impression that he was an unbiased third party scammy or scummy?

As references, here is the skype screenshot (http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2) and here is the code review (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741728.msg8723167;topicseen#msg8723167)



Are you serious with this? Is there some sort of "XC community guide to not addressing the actual issues and deflecting arguments" written by Synechist? Why do you pick out only parts of statements and address them as if none of the other text exists?

And you sidestep every single point on the list there. Congrats. Maybe XC should hire you as Synechist's assistant in the propaganda department.

Or if you're trolling though, then hats off I guess. At this point it's getting a bit ridiculous. You keep saying there's no evidence despite the fact that I just posted evidence which you conveniently left out of your reply.

Yeah, adhitthana also conveniently ignored the part of my post in which I linked the specific skype screenshot where Prom said that Dan "was the anon dev for HAL". (http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2)

And this is after he kept saying that some of the things Prom says can be interpreted different ways.  So I linked this for him and asked him what he thought of it, but he has ignored it since.

I agree with you, at this point I think adhitthana might just be trolling all over the place.



My conclusion after trying to converse and reason with some XC/Blocknet supporters is that there are 3 possibilities:
1.  They refuse to look at the details and question them because they are afraid of what it may mean for their investment
2.  They have looked at the details, but are really that naive and do not understand the implications of the information that have come to light
3.  They have looked at the details and understand the implications, but do not care that the people behind it are unethical (i.e. knowingly supporting the scam)
112  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 06, 2014, 11:16:06 PM
A more pertinent question might be why you put the word the in front of the words "hal dev". Prom did not say he was the hal dev.  Go back and read it if you doubt me.

Okay, "Dan is hal dev".  Having "the" in there doesn't change things that much.  I put "the" in there because I'm just trying to use proper english.  The meaning is the same.
No it's not. Is english your first language?

Yes, it is.  So now you're going to argue about grammatical correctness? I don't think you really know where you're going with your argument here.

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Now I'm going to turn this around ask YOU why you put in the words "was", "a", "who", "looking", "at", "code", and completely switched the order of "hal" and "dev" to finally get "Dan was a dev who was looking at Hal's code."

You see how ridiculous your argument is?
I already explained this. I said in the light of the other evidence it is the best interpretation. We know that Dan was reviewing many coins.
So it makes sense that it what he did with HAL too.

No one is questioning whether or not he code reviewed for Hal.  We all know for a fact that he did.  What has come to light from those screenshots is that Dan is also "the anon dev for Hal".

Are you really having trouble following all this?  Sorry to sound mean, but I feel like I've been talking to a little kid.

Also, you haven't responded to this:
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EDIT:  I just reread the screenshots, like you suggested.  Take a look at this one:  http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2 (http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2)

So they are talking about Dan in this one and Prom says:  "he was the anon dev for HAL".

I'm curious how you're going to interpret this one and how many words you're going to add.

Also, you never answered my question of why you think that Prometheus telling one person on skype that Dan is hal dev would boost the popularity of Hal.  This was your original reasoning for Prom claiming that Dan is hal dev.

113  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 06, 2014, 08:38:20 PM
A more pertinent question might be why you put the word the in front of the words "hal dev". Prom did not say he was the hal dev.  Go back and read it if you doubt me.

Okay, "Dan is hal dev".  Having "the" in there doesn't change things that much.  I put "the" in there because I'm just trying to use proper english.  The meaning is the same.

Now I'm going to turn this around ask YOU why you put in the words "was", "a", "who", "looking", "at", "code", and completely switched the order of "hal" and "dev" to finally get "Dan was a dev who was looking at Hal's code."

You see how ridiculous your argument is?

EDIT:  I just reread the screenshots, like you suggested.  Take a look at this one:  http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2

So they are talking about Dan in this one and Prom says:  "he was the anon dev for HAL".

I'm curious how you're going to interpret this one and how many words you're going to add.

Also, you never answered my question of why you think that Prometheus telling one person on skype that Dan is hal dev would boost the popularity of Hal.  This was your original reasoning for Prom claiming that Dan is hal dev.

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Not at all. It is in line with what Dan did on many occaisions. He reviewed coins. Were you aware of that?

Yeah, I'm fully aware of all the code reviews he did.  Most of which were Prometheus promoted coins.


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This shows that Prom and Dan had a much closer association than just simply Prom asking Dan to look at a code.  As stated, they were a team.  This is what I meant by "works together".
No it doesn't. And I don't think a reasonable person would jump to that conclusion if they looked at all the facts.
Can you give the context of that chat?

So how do you define the word "team" then?


I'm sorry, but I feel like your logic/reasoning and definitions are just completely flawed in almost all of your arguments.
114  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 06, 2014, 06:20:51 AM
Prom was probably an ethical business person when it came to negotiating terms for code reviews. Thats what it means to be ethical if your doing business with someone. Do you really think he has the time to read over Prom's post history and see if he is an ethical poster?

So negotiating to have Dan code review Hal while he was not an unbiased 3rd party and giving everyone else the impression that he had nothing to do with Hal, was ethical?

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And with your last statement, clearly Prom is talking about BlockNET, he's just trying to make himself seem like a much bigger and important player in the industry than he really is, BlockNET was initiated by Dan, not prom. BlockNET will be a team of devs when all is said and done, although dan will be coding the basic protocol for it.

Okay, so assuming Prom was talking about Blocknet.  Then no matter what Prom's role is in Blocknet, he was still included in the project.  You're really okay with that and don't see anything wrong with it?
115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 06, 2014, 05:50:45 AM
It's Prom trying to promote his coin by being sloppy at best and deceptive at worst. Having Dan Metcalf connected in any way to a coin was known to boost popularity.

I'd go with sloppy. But, we must remember this was a casual conversation and we have very little context, so we are having to "guess" what was precisely meant.

So if this is the case, then why did Dan say that Prom was ethical in one of his statements?  

Also, how does Prom saying that Dan is the hal dev, after he did a supposedly unbiased code review for Hal, help boost Hal's popularity?  And this knowledge was not made public until now.  You realize your argument does not make any sense right?

I'm not sure I agree that we really have to guess a whole lot with a statement such as "Dan is Hal dev".  You getting "Dan was a dev who was looking at Hal's code" out of that is a bit of a stretch.

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But again, you could help here by being clear about what you mean by "works together", as that could mean many things.

In one of the skype screenshots, Prom said:
"After SDC, would you guys be interested in working on a project with my Dev team?
Metcalf, West, and a few other anon devs"

This shows that Prom and Dan had a much closer association than just simply Prom asking Dan to look at a code.  As stated, they were a team.  This is what I meant by "works together".
116  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 06, 2014, 04:34:43 AM
It's funny, the line of defense from the start of all this up until now have been:
1.  Those skype screenshots are fake.  Dan is not working with Prom nor is he the dev of Hal.
2.  When the screenshots were confirmed to be true, the defense turned into:  Oh, Dan must of have not known that he was engaging in unethical behavior
3.  And now you're saying that all evidence were hearsay anyway
What's going to be the next defense now that I've explained why the evidence is not just hearsay?
The defense, as in Dan Metcalf's defense, has always been that he did no coding on HAL.
Dan's defense has never been any of the things you stated above.

In other words you are ignoring Dan Metcalf's own defense.

Here Dan explains his position. You need to deal with that.
http://www.coinssource.com/interview-with-dan-metcalf-regarding-recent-blocknet-concerns/
I'm just saying those are what some supporters keep using as defenses.  I'm not saying those are Dan's defense.  His only defenses so far is just simply denying everything and calling everything FUD.  

Okay, so either Prom is lying or Dan is lying.  Are you saying that Prom lied about Dan being the dev of Hal?  What do you suggest would be the reason that Prom would lie about that?  Also, if Prom lied, then why did Dan claim that Prom was "ethical" in one of his statements?  There's a big inconsistency there.


One of the hillarious things about the attack on Dan is that we have some people claiming he coded HAL and other people claiming he can't code at all.  Grin

I personally don't know if Dan can code or not, but Prom clearly stated that Dan was the dev of Hal in the skype screenshots.  I interpreted that as him being the main creator of Hal, regardless of whether he coded it or he had someone else code it for him.  Supporters keep saying everything was public knowledge.  Dan being the main guy behind Hal was not public knowledge.  And he did a "code review" for Hal under the impression that he was a third party who had nothing to do with Hal.  You honestly don't see anything wrong with that?

The prometheus chat just shows Prometheus saying Dan Metcalf was  "hal dev"...what ever that means.
It could mean he was a dev who was looking at HAL's code.
This is the only interpretation that makes any sense, as we know that many coins had asked dan to look over their codes.
Why would they do this? Because they knew Dan was respected as a developer.

You're joking right?  How can you get "Dan was a dev who was looking at Hal's code" from something as clear as "Dan is Hal dev"?  That sure is a lot of blanks to fill in there.


Also, it's clear that Dan and Prom works together (Dan said so himself at the end of the interview).  I'm very curious how you feel about that.
117  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SuperNET asset 12071612744977229797, trading symbol UNITY on: November 06, 2014, 01:38:54 AM
James, how high do you estimate the chance for you to win the first bonus? Do you still believe it is possible to tripple IPO price before year's end?

do you think the finished tech will be worth 3x the price? finished as in, an end user friendly GUI with working protocols


understand what supernet is aiming to do and you will have an answer

Well, releasing the finished tech at the end of this year would really just be the beginning.  I'm almost skeptical that the perceived value will reach 3x by the end of the year, because there will still be a lot of people who have either not heard of or do not understand what SuperNET is.  Not saying that James doesn't deserve his bonus, of course.

I actually think it's more likely it will go 10x by end of 2015, because by that time SuperNET will be much more established and it will have a lot more revenue and dividends coming through.

118  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 06, 2014, 12:17:28 AM
Yes dan chose to deal with the wrong people and was dragged into this mess.

Can only assume ignorance on dan's behalf. A smart project lead developer would not knowingly associate themselves with a few of the most hated members in crypto.


You really think Dan was ignorant or oblivious to all that?

Consider this:  as outsiders, even you and I know about the shadiness of the people Dan worked with. How can Dan not know?  He had direct communication and dealings with those people not just once, but on multiple occasions.  He is fully aware of the unethical behavior that he is engaged in.

Man, some people are really brainwashed. Throwing all logic and common sense out the window just to support this guy.

I'm not supporting him. I just don't believe a claim can be made againt him. All the evidence is hearsay.

Actually no, the evidence are not hearsay.  The skype screenshots in which Prometheus states that Dan is a part of his team and is the dev of Hal has been confirmed to be true (by Prom himself).  How is that hearsay evidence?

Hearsay would be if a third party were to state:  "Prometheus told me that Dan is on his team and is the dev of hal" without Prometheus confirming that it is true.  See the difference?


It's funny, the line of defense from the start of all this up until now have been:
1.  Those skype screenshots are fake.  Dan is not working with Prom nor is he the dev of Hal.
2.  When the screenshots were confirmed to be true, the defense turned into:  Oh, Dan must of have not known that he was engaging in unethical behavior
3.  And now you're saying that all evidence were hearsay anyway

What's going to be the next defense now that I've explained why the evidence is not just hearsay?
119  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf on: November 05, 2014, 07:37:57 PM
Yes dan chose to deal with the wrong people and was dragged into this mess.

Can only assume ignorance on dan's behalf. A smart project lead developer would not knowingly associate themselves with a few of the most hated members in crypto.


You really think Dan was ignorant or oblivious to all that?

Consider this:  as outsiders, even you and I know about the shadiness of the people Dan worked with. How can Dan not know?  He had direct communication and dealings with those people not just once, but on multiple occasions.  He is fully aware of the unethical behavior that he is engaged in.

Man, some people are really brainwashed. Throwing all logic and common sense out the window just to support this guy.
120  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: So what's going to happen now that we know the truth about XC/Blocknet? on: November 04, 2014, 09:05:54 PM
Well, I know for a fact that a number of their supporters have come to a realization and have ended their support.  But as long as there are enough brainwashed people left to support them and people willing to be a part of their unethical behavior, there's really no stopping it.  Unless of course some authorities get involved.  But in the world of crypto, I don't really see that happening.  It's quite a shame.
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