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101  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BITSTAMP SEPA account "no transfer" countries/banks' list (upd 2014-02-07) on: February 08, 2014, 10:26:47 AM
is there a possibility to know in advance which EUR/USD exchange rate will be applied to a withdrawal of USD onto a EUR account? if the bank would be known maybe the bank has some rates displayed?
102  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 08, 2014, 10:25:29 AM
yes, got it now Smiley

103  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 08, 2014, 09:49:28 AM
i still dont get what that "liquidation price" on margin trade positions mean..
is it the price @ which the margin call is imminent?
104  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 07, 2014, 11:24:04 PM
In 2 days this will be buried and people don't even know about the other, already closed thread in project development. If you want to learn about screwups, prepare for a nice read.

Trusting this forum (that regularly 502s) to deliver PMs and thinking they are an official way to reach Bitfinex is... not a smart idea. Send E-Mails and/or contact them on their own support forum if you reallly need to reach someone.
You clearly underestimate - at least my - capability for annoying the hell out of someone that did me wrong.

You can be certain that if they don't give me back my money, in a year from now, I'll still be pinging this thread regularly and talking about their screw up and the unprofessional way they are handling the matter.

hey, we dont give a shit
105  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 06, 2014, 12:58:40 PM
Are they going to undo absolutely all of the trades for the time period in question?
From what I saw during the "hiccup", most/a lot of trades were made in the right range.

P.S.
Quote
You are joking me right?
What about the shorts I took in LTC/USD more than 2 days ago that where giving me plenty of profit? You are stealing that money from me!
You screw up! A situation that went on for more than 5h, from morning to noon in Hong Kong, where your service resides and no one of your team did anything. Too busy doing what? Partying, sleeping?
You run an exchange that moves millions every day and you don't pay attention for 5h? Are you joking me?
I want my money back. You have bank accounts in European Union and I'm taking you to a court of law in here!

Oh, you are such a selfish ass, aren't you? GFY...


I'm the selfish one? I don't see them working for free I was paying this bunch every time I used their service. This is a business not a party house.

These guys make millions of USD every months from the fees of users like me. They can't just come here and say: Ei, there was this rat you see, so now we are canceling everything.

Cost of doing business. Own up to your mistakes and pay the people you screwed with this.


BUT man, you knew of that risk. if you take margin positions for a longer time you risk some events..

Risk, what risk? The only risk I have to accept is that if I make a trade at the wrong time, the price goes in the wrong direction and I loose money.
I don't have to accept any other risk. If Bitfinex screw up and put up a technically flawed site to handle hundreds of millions of dollars, it's BitFinex fault. There is no risk implied for me in that part.

In fact the only ones accepting risk here where the lenders. They where offered an insurance option for a price to their lending. If they didn't took it, than yes, that's a risk for them.

I pay BitFinex to provide a service this guys don't do this for free or for the BTC community, they do it for profit. period!

 If they screw up, own up, after all they must have a lot of money put aside from all the profit they made. If they don't want to put their own money Go after the hacked, prosecute them and get their money back, but don't screw your costumers to pay for your mistakes.

i am not so sure, we all know (and love) that we are NOT trading on banking plattforms, but on plattforms that are kind of beta, so dont blame the guys too early, cause for now nobody knows if it is a fuckup-flaw or some  serious genious hack or wahtever.

if you are really asking for a 100% secure plattform, man, shut down your computer, get yourself a rambo training and open up a lemonade stand and then you´ll see about 100% security Wink

my point is: i´d rather have plattforms like the exchanges today, than anything from the banksters with the ridicoulus regulations, where every significant market movement leads to a stop and shit (see gold some weeks ago)
106  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 06, 2014, 12:46:17 PM
Are they going to undo absolutely all of the trades for the time period in question?
From what I saw during the "hiccup", most/a lot of trades were made in the right range.

P.S.
Quote
You are joking me right?
What about the shorts I took in LTC/USD more than 2 days ago that where giving me plenty of profit? You are stealing that money from me!
You screw up! A situation that went on for more than 5h, from morning to noon in Hong Kong, where your service resides and no one of your team did anything. Too busy doing what? Partying, sleeping?
You run an exchange that moves millions every day and you don't pay attention for 5h? Are you joking me?
I want my money back. You have bank accounts in European Union and I'm taking you to a court of law in here!

Oh, you are such a selfish ass, aren't you? GFY...


I'm the selfish one? I don't see them working for free I was paying this bunch every time I used their service. This is a business not a party house.

These guys make millions of USD every months from the fees of users like me. They can't just come here and say: Ei, there was this rat you see, so now we are canceling everything.

Cost of doing business. Own up to your mistakes and pay the people you screwed with this.


BUT man, you knew of that risk. if you take margin positions for a longer time you risk some events..
107  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 06, 2014, 07:59:01 AM
Trading resumed.
Are balances back to normal?

cant second this, public trade history is null
108  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 06, 2014, 07:57:48 AM
in the bitfinex description it states that only a limited amount of btc is on the hot wallet and if withdrawals are larger than that they have to manually transfer btc from the cold wallet, so i wouldnt worry too much
109  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 05, 2014, 09:34:26 PM
metatarder would be great, but why not metatrader 5?
110  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 04, 2014, 07:34:29 AM
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 No Crossed Orders:  We have made a change that will no longer show
so-called “marketable limit orders” on the order book prior to execution.

does it mean i have to market close every margin position and cant sell to close a long?

No it refers to the order book, or the "market depth display" if you want.

A single exchange has typically orders at a bid side and an ask side and a gap in between, called the "spread".
Whenever someone places an limit buy order above current ask price or a limit sell order below current bid price,
this order can be trivially filled and thus will be filled immediately.


But for a service like Bitfinex, which aggregates several actually independent markets, this structure doesn't hold anymore,
since not every limit buy matches automatically with any applicable limit sell order. If you just overlay the offers of two markets
into a single 2nd-level orderbook, it can well happen that the lowest ask order is below the highest bid order, whenever the behaviour of the underlying markets diverges substantially. This situation is known as "crossed orders". This can lead to confusion as to when limit or stop orders are actually triggered by the trading engine.


The change implemented now by the Bitfinex people is that they now don't display such "crossed orders" anymore. Rather they detect them and execute them in a best match way until the crossing has resolved and bid is below ask again. That is what I infer from the quoted statement and from observing how the trading engine works now. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

thx for the explanation!
111  Local / Projektentwicklung / Re: Nebengewerbe anmelden für Mining ? on: February 04, 2014, 12:02:03 AM
was hat das gewerbe mit dem vorsteuerabzug zu tun?
gründe eine offshore gesellschaft (ltd oder sowas).
112  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 03, 2014, 11:35:57 PM
?
https://btc.sx/
still i dont trust that thing
113  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 03, 2014, 11:25:01 PM
could you please explain that like to a 5 year old? for me it reads like "removed pink elephants from the site.."

Quote
 No Crossed Orders:  We have made a change that will no longer show
so-called “marketable limit orders” on the order book prior to execution.
This long requested feature is now in production.

does it mean i have to market close every margin position and cant sell to close a long?
114  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 03, 2014, 11:21:33 PM
hy,
is it true i cant route to bitstamp anymore? that was a very convenient feature NOT to route to that overly expensive marketplace!


do i understand that right: you tell me it was a neat feature but its better i dont have it anymore cause now you decide if and when its good for me to use? hmm... Shocked
115  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 03, 2014, 08:35:26 PM
Bulgaria. Bulgaria. Bulgaria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTC-E

Bulgaria. Bulgaria. Bulgaria.



Cyprus. Cyprus. Cyprus.

https://i.imgur.com/GqP3s8m.png

Cyprus. Cyprus. Cyprus.

no significant movement on btc-e, so our russian+bulgarian+cypriotic friends not impressed of that fud
116  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 03, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
miners are much less likely to hoard.  This is simply because they have running costs

Most miners today bought equipment when everyone was telling them it would never ROI, and they would be better off buying and holding.   I don't think they need to sell bitcoins to cover costs.  They spend fiat to make bitcoins because they despise fiat and like bitcoins.  Spending fiat on power bills is just one more way to burn the fiat.


So, what you are saying is that miners are hodlers, too?  Sure, some are. But you think that this guy http://hongwrong.com/hong-kong-bitcoin/ is not selling some of his BTC each month to cover costs?




i think this guy took some pictures of something and made a nice hoax Smiley
117  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: MtGox API version 2: Unofficial Documentation on: February 01, 2014, 10:48:54 AM
hy,
when receiving ticker data by websocket, is there another possibility to get the volume of the last_local trade other than taking the difference of the actual volume to the subsequent volume?
thx!
118  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 31, 2014, 07:05:03 PM
exchanges should make it impossible to fill your own orders.

Not a chance.  It removes the option of "cross trades".

e.g You are a broker who has order to buy 200 and sell 100.

The broker would then buy 100 and then "cross" 100, resulting in 200 bought and 100 sold.

This is critical in open outcry exchanges.

plz, could you explain that for a 5year old? thx
119  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2014, 07:31:52 PM
what do you think of
https://btc.sx/
?

is it true its run by banksters? Angry
120  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: January 23, 2014, 06:01:25 PM
https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/fees

isnt ist a bit confusing to state "for the traded pair" - you probably mean that for both of the trades of the pair the fee is 0,15%, but one
could understand it as "fee is only due for a pair, not per trade"?



Code:
0 or more traded in the last 30 days (for the traded pair) 0.15% 

it sounded pretty intuitive to us, but anyway feel free to come up with any suggestion that will make it "misunderstanding-proof" and we'll take it into consideration

thanks a lot and have a good day

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team


hy, maybe
"per Trade"
or
"per Trade of a Currency Pair"
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