Luckily for us the devs are not fraudsters and they will maintain the site long into the future even when your still buthurting they will still be here doing their thing.
LOL. Sure. Ummm, one small note, Mr 'I Love Poloniex', which you might want to consider in rushing to the defence of the fraudulent accounts behind this project, Poloniex aren't exactly keen to host coins which have launched on the basis of bought/stolen accounts. So there's that relevance in the grander scheme of how the use of bought/stolen accounts is directly going to impact things, no matter how much of a committed fanboi you are. I love how people like you pride yourself on being the white knights of bitcointalk after all your on the default trust list yeah? Meanwhile lets suppose everything you're saying is true the only people you served to fuck over is the investors, the devs walk scotch free. the reason they haven't bolted yet is because they still own large amounts of lir tokens staying quiet on the matter just sets up new buyers buying lir tokens just to get dumped on if or when the lir tokens increase in value and thats not fair to other people the original investors did get screwed because again they werent aware of the lies these guys were telling and they should be angry at the devs for that the devs are never going to give up control of the ico funds that they already received but they are greedy and will try and get everything they can |
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youre breaking the law and have duped investors for publically raised funds
Indeed they have. At no point did they make it clear they were operating from accounts that were not originally theirs, which means people made decisions to 'invest' on the basis of fraudulent misrepresentation. Fraudulent MisrepresentationUnder contract law, a plaintiff can recover against a defendant on the grounds of fraudulent misrepresentation if (1) a representation was made; (2) that was false; (3) that when made, the representation was known to be false or made recklessly without knowledge of its truth; (4) that it was made with the intention that the plaintiff rely on it; (5) that the plaintiff did rely on it; and (6) that the plaintiff suffered damages as a result. Go on do your worst. Is that all you got ? proving that these guys are breaking the law and clearly have been lying the whole time? what more do you fucking need? |
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youre breaking the law and have duped investors for publically raised funds
Indeed they have. At no point did they make it clear they were operating from accounts that were not originally theirs, which means people made decisions to 'invest' on the basis of fraudulent misrepresentation. Fraudulent MisrepresentationUnder contract law, a plaintiff can recover against a defendant on the grounds of fraudulent misrepresentation if (1) a representation was made; (2) that was false; (3) that when made, the representation was known to be false or made recklessly without knowledge of its truth; (4) that it was made with the intention that the plaintiff rely on it; (5) that the plaintiff did rely on it; and (6) that the plaintiff suffered damages as a result. So go get a lawyer. show them your investment in the ico sale and take them to court or press charges or wtv. by promoting them and defending them blindly you are aiding them in breaking the law |
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I started on BitcoinTalk over a year ago, and when I first started here I asked a friend to use an account because there was an inherent difference between using a newbie account and a more well established account. A friend of mine at the time provided me with one for free and I started joining signature campaigns and using it prominently on the forums.
I have no knowledge of the history of the account other than of when I started using it. I've not claimed to steal anyone's identity; Where have I claimed to be Eric Hansen?
I am Phoenix1969, an anonymous internet persona and what more would you expect from someone going into a a grey-area gambling project? Would you go in plastering your name all over the internet? Probably not.
Here are the facts, I've done nothing other then help deliver for the LIR project since I've been here. The history of this account is irrelevant as to whether LIR is a scam or not. If it was, as many people have stated we would've taken the 450 BTC and left. Instead, we have stuck here building our product, reworking our site for a more professional look and the results are paying off. Just yesterday, we had almost 100 new users unique by IP address sign up and test the site out.
I don't get it, we've gone through two new designs, we've implemented various bug fixes and patches to our site, ran a tournament for which everyone was paid for, started running a second tournament, started marketing with a Twitter advertising firm, we've ran a signature campaign for which everyone who was suppose to get paid got paid and now Shogdite and Jigar are working on developing a plethora of new content - Where's the scam in all of this?
I ask that the red trust is removed immediately because it's completely uncalled for. You call this a scam for which you have absolutely no basis other then the origins of my account. On the contrary had you looked at our project you would see we've delivered and are continuing to develop a working product. It's a blatant misuse of a power.
Anyways, feel free to think whatever you want of me, but LIR is here to stay and so am I.
The thread is moderated and I'm happy to report that not one single post has been deleted since its conception.
This is not a self-moderated thread lol. I also noticed that you did not address my allegations of you being a sold account, of the OP being a sold account, of your entire team actually being "one person", of the use of multiple sockpuppets in this, and other threads, of recycling BTC to make it appear as though you have raised more money then you actually have. Do you plan on addressing any of these allegations? We'd appreciate if you leave your allegations at the door. Neither my account nor Shogdite are bought accounts and if you did even the slightest bit of research you would see I am active in other communities as well. If you think one person could do all of this you must be insane. There's far too much work to be done for it to have all been done by one person so that idea goes completely out the window. Yes, we have been moving around BTC. We offer perks and rewards some of which will require us to secure fiat. We're not here to gamble on the price of BTC. Had we not been liquidating, we would've been hit even harder with the downward swing from the high 700's to what is now the mid 600's so I'm sure our investors our glad we took this approach. In the next day or two, we will gladly make a post containing the majority of the BTC raised so far with a signed message. I assume this will be satisfactory? Phoenix1969 Marketing Director, Media Mangement, Networking phoenix1969@letitride.ioPhoenix1969 was born in Hawaii and studied post-secondary at Ohio State University. He's a hard working entrepreneur who is a huge fan and supporter of the LISK project and hopes to work with Shogdite on finding applications of LISK relevant to the LetItRide project. proof now that you have lied several times. you clearly have pretended to be erik and used his credentials. it does not matter that you didnt run yet, you still have all the ico funds and can do it whenever you want if or when your project fails I never claimed to Eric Hansen. I assumed an online anonymous internet persona over a year ago. Any sane person operating in a grey-area business would never throw their name our there willingly. it doesnt matter if you said you were eric. pheonix1969 is known for being heavily involved in lisk and is from hawaii and you have made several points to make it seem like you were him. its still on the official websites for fuck sakes you have lied several times. you used his identity and credentials to attract public funding which is blatantly against the law |
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lol at removing red trust
youre breaking the law and have duped investors for publically raised funds
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I started on BitcoinTalk over a year ago, and when I first started here I asked a friend to use an account because there was an inherent difference between using a newbie account and a more well established account. A friend of mine at the time provided me with one for free and I started joining signature campaigns and using it prominently on the forums.
I have no knowledge of the history of the account other than of when I started using it. I've not claimed to steal anyone's identity; Where have I claimed to be Eric Hansen?
I am Phoenix1969, an anonymous internet persona and what more would you expect from someone going into a a grey-area gambling project? Would you go in plastering your name all over the internet? Probably not.
Here are the facts, I've done nothing other then help deliver for the LIR project since I've been here. The history of this account is irrelevant as to whether LIR is a scam or not. If it was, as many people have stated we would've taken the 450 BTC and left. Instead, we have stuck here building our product, reworking our site for a more professional look and the results are paying off. Just yesterday, we had almost 100 new users unique by IP address sign up and test the site out.
I don't get it, we've gone through two new designs, we've implemented various bug fixes and patches to our site, ran a tournament for which everyone was paid for, started running a second tournament, started marketing with a Twitter advertising firm, we've ran a signature campaign for which everyone who was suppose to get paid got paid and now Shogdite and Jigar are working on developing a plethora of new content - Where's the scam in all of this?
I ask that the red trust is removed immediately because it's completely uncalled for. You call this a scam for which you have absolutely no basis other then the origins of my account. On the contrary had you looked at our project you would see we've delivered and are continuing to develop a working product. It's a blatant misuse of a power.
Anyways, feel free to think whatever you want of me, but LIR is here to stay and so am I.
The thread is moderated and I'm happy to report that not one single post has been deleted since its conception.
This is not a self-moderated thread lol. I also noticed that you did not address my allegations of you being a sold account, of the OP being a sold account, of your entire team actually being "one person", of the use of multiple sockpuppets in this, and other threads, of recycling BTC to make it appear as though you have raised more money then you actually have. Do you plan on addressing any of these allegations? We'd appreciate if you leave your allegations at the door. Neither my account nor Shogdite are bought accounts and if you did even the slightest bit of research you would see I am active in other communities as well. If you think one person could do all of this you must be insane. There's far too much work to be done for it to have all been done by one person so that idea goes completely out the window. Yes, we have been moving around BTC. We offer perks and rewards some of which will require us to secure fiat. We're not here to gamble on the price of BTC. Had we not been liquidating, we would've been hit even harder with the downward swing from the high 700's to what is now the mid 600's so I'm sure our investors our glad we took this approach. In the next day or two, we will gladly make a post containing the majority of the BTC raised so far with a signed message. I assume this will be satisfactory? From letitride.io and letitri.de official websites: Phoenix1969 Marketing Director, Media Mangement, Networking phoenix1969@letitride.ioPhoenix1969 was born in Hawaii and studied post-secondary at Ohio State University. He's a hard working entrepreneur who is a huge fan and supporter of the LISK project and hopes to work with Shogdite on finding applications of LISK relevant to the LetItRide project.
proof now that you have lied several times. you clearly have pretended to be erik and used his credentials. it does not matter that you didnt run yet, you still have all the ico funds and can do it whenever you want if or when your project fails |
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In case anyone is wondering, both the OP and Phoenix1969 are clearly purchased accounts, with Phoenix1969 being purchased less then a week prior to this thread opening. I would say there is a decent chance that the OP and Phoenix1969 are actually the same person, and based on that "Frank" and "Jigar" probably don't exist either.
It also looks like some of the deposits are being funneled to various exchanges that you do not need to share your identity with in order to deposit and withdraw, and as a result I suspect that some of the BTC is either recycled or otherwise belongs to the person behind this project.
There also appears to be a decent number of sockpuppets in this thread. I suspect that siameze, b0art, SeriousInvestor, RollingSeriously, EXmoneypotER and starswper are sockpuppets for this project. I suspect a few others as well, but the evidence is not quite as clear.
If someone were to ask me, then I would say that the chances of this project ending in a scam is somewhere in the 95% range
The thread is moderated and I'm happy to report that not one single post has been deleted since its conception.
This is not a self-moderated thread lol. I also noticed that you did not address my allegations of you being a sold account, of the OP being a sold account, of your entire team actually being "one person", of the use of multiple sockpuppets in this, and other threads, of recycling BTC to make it appear as though you have raised more money then you actually have. Do you plan on addressing any of these allegations? We'd appreciate if you leave your allegations at the door. Neither my account nor Shogdite are bought accounts and if you did even the slightest bit of research you would see I am active in other communities as well. If you think one person could do all of this you must be insane. There's far too much work to be done for it to have all been done by one person so that idea goes completely out the window. Yes, we have been moving around BTC. We offer perks and rewards some of which will require us to secure fiat. We're not here to gamble on the price of BTC. Had we not been liquidating, we would've been hit even harder with the downward swing from the high 700's to what is now the mid 600's so I'm sure our investors our glad we took this approach. In the next day or two, we will gladly make a post containing the majority of the BTC raised so far with a signed message. I assume this will be satisfactory? Phoenix1969 Marketing Director, Media Mangement, Networking phoenix1969@letitride.ioPhoenix1969 was born in Hawaii and studied post-secondary at Ohio State University. He's a hard working entrepreneur who is a huge fan and supporter of the LISK project and hopes to work with Shogdite on finding applications of LISK relevant to the LetItRide project. it is a chargable offence to raise funds publically based off false facts and on the reputation of a stolen identity this is clearly a scam and will not end well for investors it doesnt matter that they havent ran off with the ico funds because they receive it afterwards anyways to keep for themself and only spent a few bitcoin on paying someone for a wallet explorer and probably the site itself fuck these guys |
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Hello, We have now enabled BTC deposits/withdrawals. This means you will be able to withdraw any BTC won in the bonus game which we have now released! You are now also able to withdraw any referral BTC you may have accumulated during the initial sale. For the bonus game there will be a link at the top called "Bonus Game" (where "Exchange" use to be). Only those who invested in the initial sale can participate in this bonus game and you can only play once. Optionally, generate a client seed until you are satisfied (one automatically will be generated if you don't) and then test you luck on a 50-50 roll of choosing if the number you roll will be above or below 50. You can verify your results by clicking the "Verify Dice Roll Results" button, however as all provably fair sites work the server seed being used for today will not be released until tomorrow. Instead, we offer you the server seed hash to verify we did not change the server hash and therefore did not cheat.[/size] We have also enabled deposits for LIR, which means if you withdrew LIR from the site previously, you can now redeposit it. Now that LIR deposits/withdrawals are enabled, tomorrow we will be looking to add a page which allows you to opt into the dividend program. More information to come on this in tomorrows update. After discussing it with the team, we have concluded we are not an exchange and will be removing this functionality from site. Please utilize external exchanges for trading once we are listed there. We thank you for understanding. If you are interested in helping beta test, we are still recruiting! Contact shogdite@letitri.de to join our beta testing team! We are still in the process of getting some new signatures ready to continue our signature campaign, here are some that are currently in the works.    Which one one do you like the best so far? if youre going to take in 460 bitcoin you should know the big bolded part is a lie. not all provably fair sites have to work that way, only amateurish sites that dont know how to implement good provable fair systems you guys could have spent the last 2 or 3 weeks actually building something to show accurate provable fairness which you guys claim to be experts in instead of spending all your time marketing to line up your pockets what have you guys been doing to prepare? all youve done is spent less than a bitcoin to pay other people for a block explorer and for someone to build you a wallet with custom graphics |
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http://archive.is/vzH00^^above is the archive of the post that shogdite posted. I think it is fairly obvious that ShogDite is a purchased account, and I think the original owner of vervoilman sold his account some time ago. Although it is possible that vervoilman purchased the ShogDite account. The Phoenix1969 guy is likely the original owner of his account, although I think he is trying to make it look like he sold his account. Either way I believe that ICO is a scam and that the numbers are being inflated in one way or another. I don't know about the other guy but Phoenix1969 is a well trusted guy his real identity is known in the lisk community, no way he'd risk his name and delegate spot to be apart of a scam. The other guy deleted his post but it said something like shogdite has a wallet and a explorer so it proves hes not scamming Whats happened is that hes paid for a block explorer just yesterday to be made. if hes a blockchain expert and great dev why wouldnt he have been working on it before. he also paid for the wallet. Im pretty sure that hes going to try and keep up the ruse and may have tricked pheonix into thinking this project is legit to get more credibility and then one day is just going to vanish. people need to stop blindly throwing money at promises to strangers on the internet in a community known for scams |
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ShogDite is running an ICO scam that has collected 460+ btc ShogDite claims do not match up. He is supposed to be a blockchain expert and lead developer but has never offered his services before and has only created graphics for low amounts of pay/work He has also made this post which contradicts the very thing he has made
The presale has raised 780 BTC+ so far, and it has just started. At least the hype is there
A fool and his bitcoin are easily parted  I wont be investing a single satoshi, every ICO is a scam until proven otherwise. ShogDite is probably vervolioman ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=93211) ShogDite owns 16qJ793mcS8rzpZRBuQqoSJk8L1DVz2UjW (shogdite 16qJ793mcS8rzpZRBuQqoSJk8L1DVz2UjW 28 posts) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739269.msg8668260#msg8668260From this address, he is linked to 1KwJKkN8aWS7yCLscgLCyqFhtXahsW5ip2 and 1LwZY6yeGs9Mrvugwaq3C6KkEHdJAMRYQ8 which pays Quickseller 0.7 btc ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093658.msg11744463#msg11744463) as vervolioman |
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Such fail
This is what you get when you throw money at promises
Just like all these other sham icos
Noone knows what they're doing and people giving them money hand over fist
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Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with you just saying that the upward and downward swings of any casino is natural, and as the bankroll increases those swings will seem bigger and bigger but needless to say the house should still come out positive in the end assuming the math is correct.
Ya but not if there's exploits or bugs Primedice had tons of experience and still lost 1m from a exploit How's lir going to get it perfect right off the bat and within a very short time? If you're going to put 300 btc into it, you might as well do yourself. That way if you go down it is by your own doing Dude you keep rehashing the same thing. Why keep comparing to the sites you mention? Have you not heard of any of the newer dice sites that have not had any exploits found and got it right straight out the gate? Exploits and bugs will be riddled out with bounties and I am sure they have a plan for this lol Where is your imaginary 300btc investor coming from. Many reasons this imaginary 300btc investor would join forces,, community, bankroll to mention a few Even without 300btc investor, which new dice sites have gotten it right straight out of the gate and do a lot of volume? You really think everyone is going to opt for a bug bounty instead of draining the cash when the goal is to make as large of a bankroll as possible Only a fool would believe these guys wonto have a huge target on their backs from day one. Its wise to assume that it will be properly tested and vetted before its launch. Don't be so ignorant as to assume otherwise. Its more ignorant to think they can produce an unbreakable product in a few short months if that with anonymous beta testers when primedice team had trouble after a few years of experience and constantly reviewing their code Primedice. Why do you keep mentioning them? Other sites had successful launches and no one said this would see as much volume as PD at first. We all know it will take time to get there. If you want try to find a big and break the system if you can. I'm using them because they are the most trusted and even they couldn't stop exploits. How's let it ride team going to do in months what primedice (the best) couldn't do in a few years. They can do it simply by paying attention, rigorous testing and focus. Oh it's that easy? if only primedice did that /sarcasm |
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Is there any actual money or bitcoin that will be used for the bankroll or is it all just breakoutcoin that will only have value if ppl decide to buy it on the exchanges?
Yes his is FUD but it's a legitimate question hat needs to be answered
I think it's the value on the exchanges. But since they allow cash deposits, I wonder if there will be a conversion on the poker site. if other sites come along that use brk, which is a limited supply coin, I see it having a strong price. It all depends on how popular the poker site becomes. Anyways, I see people hoarding the coin. Atleast short term. So if there's no money or bitcoin and we can only get some if someone buys the breakout coin they give us in exchange for our real money then this means that this is a ponzi? |
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Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with you just saying that the upward and downward swings of any casino is natural, and as the bankroll increases those swings will seem bigger and bigger but needless to say the house should still come out positive in the end assuming the math is correct.
Ya but not if there's exploits or bugs Primedice had tons of experience and still lost 1m from a exploit How's lir going to get it perfect right off the bat and within a very short time? If you're going to put 300 btc into it, you might as well do yourself. That way if you go down it is by your own doing Dude you keep rehashing the same thing. Why keep comparing to the sites you mention? Have you not heard of any of the newer dice sites that have not had any exploits found and got it right straight out the gate? Exploits and bugs will be riddled out with bounties and I am sure they have a plan for this lol Where is your imaginary 300btc investor coming from. Many reasons this imaginary 300btc investor would join forces,, community, bankroll to mention a few Even without 300btc investor, which new dice sites have gotten it right straight out of the gate and do a lot of volume? You really think everyone is going to opt for a bug bounty instead of draining the cash when the goal is to make as large of a bankroll as possible Only a fool would believe these guys wonto have a huge target on their backs from day one. Its wise to assume that it will be properly tested and vetted before its launch. Don't be so ignorant as to assume otherwise. Its more ignorant to think they can produce an unbreakable product in a few short months if that with anonymous beta testers when primedice team had trouble after a few years of experience and constantly reviewing their code Primedice. Why do you keep mentioning them? Other sites had successful launches and no one said this would see as much volume as PD at first. We all know it will take time to get there. If you want try to find a big and break the system if you can. I'm using them because they are the most trusted and even they couldn't stop exploits. How's let it ride team going to do in months what primedice (the best) couldn't do in a few years. |
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Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with you just saying that the upward and downward swings of any casino is natural, and as the bankroll increases those swings will seem bigger and bigger but needless to say the house should still come out positive in the end assuming the math is correct.
Ya but not if there's exploits or bugs Primedice had tons of experience and still lost 1m from a exploit How's lir going to get it perfect right off the bat and within a very short time? If you're going to put 300 btc into it, you might as well do yourself. That way if you go down it is by your own doing Dude you keep rehashing the same thing. Why keep comparing to the sites you mention? Have you not heard of any of the newer dice sites that have not had any exploits found and got it right straight out the gate? Exploits and bugs will be riddled out with bounties and I am sure they have a plan for this lol Where is your imaginary 300btc investor coming from. Many reasons this imaginary 300btc investor would join forces,, community, bankroll to mention a few Even without 300btc investor, which new dice sites have gotten it right straight out of the gate and do a lot of volume? You really think everyone is going to opt for a bug bounty instead of draining the cash when the goal is to make as large of a bankroll as possible Only a fool would believe these guys wonto have a huge target on their backs from day one. Its wise to assume that it will be properly tested and vetted before its launch. Don't be so ignorant as to assume otherwise. Its more ignorant to think they can produce an unbreakable product in a few short months if that with anonymous beta testers when primedice team had trouble after a few years of experience and constantly reviewing their code |
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Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with you just saying that the upward and downward swings of any casino is natural, and as the bankroll increases those swings will seem bigger and bigger but needless to say the house should still come out positive in the end assuming the math is correct.
Ya but not if there's exploits or bugs Primedice had tons of experience and still lost 1m from a exploit How's lir going to get it perfect right off the bat and within a very short time? If you're going to put 300 btc into it, you might as well do yourself. That way if you go down it is by your own doing Dude you keep rehashing the same thing. Why keep comparing to the sites you mention? Have you not heard of any of the newer dice sites that have not had any exploits found and got it right straight out the gate? Exploits and bugs will be riddled out with bounties and I am sure they have a plan for this lol Where is your imaginary 300btc investor coming from. Many reasons this imaginary 300btc investor would join forces,, community, bankroll to mention a few Even without 300btc investor, which new dice sites have gotten it right straight out of the gate and do a lot of volume? You really think everyone is going to opt for a bug bounty instead of draining the cash when the goal is to make as large of a bankroll as possible Only a fool would believe these guys wonto have a huge target on their backs from day one. |
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Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with you just saying that the upward and downward swings of any casino is natural, and as the bankroll increases those swings will seem bigger and bigger but needless to say the house should still come out positive in the end assuming the math is correct.
Ya but not if there's exploits or bugs Primedice had tons of experience and still lost 1m from a exploit How's lir going to get it perfect right off the bat and within a very short time? If you're going to put 300 btc into it, you might as well do yourself. That way if you go down it is by your own doing |
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Is there any actual money or bitcoin that will be used for the bankroll or is it all just breakoutcoin that will only have value if ppl decide to buy it on the exchanges?
Yes his is FUD but it's a legitimate question hat needs to be answered
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If you were going to put 300 btc into it, why wouldn't you just develop your own.  It's just a concept at this point. No extensive development. And you know that people are going to demand a finished product asap which means no real time to test bugs and exploits. Ask how many times already established sites like primedice and bit dice have had to patch things up. Hell, primedice (the site that everyone seems to say is the most reputable) got taken for a million dollars after being around and continually developing for a few years. Any casino can suffer a loss but needless to say based off math and statistics inevitably the house should always win given a long period of time, no? You are right but I don't know what that has to do with anything |
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