Reading the thread makes me wonder why is it that mostly of the detractors are newbie accounts
It is probably because more experienced people avoided this ICO. Its mostly us noobies that jumped the gun and invested on day 1 and regret it. People with experienced accounts saw this ICO and ignored it. Except for people like Kooke who support it no matter what. It is strange that he didn't make any post for 2 years and then suddenly started posting a week before the Opair ICO was announced. Probably a bought or stolen dead account. He also talks like Wasserman99. And he copy/paste the same opair crap as a response to hard questions, just like wasserman does. Fake team, fake supporters but its hard to warn people because his thread is self moderated and he deletes a lot of stuff. =\ |
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Hi,
If Hao and Frank are exposed it (with videos, etc) is now very likely that also these users start a campaign against them (without any reasons) and maybe affect their personal work, because if we raise a small amounts of bitcoin, they will going to follow his normal lives in those jobs and not working full time on Opair, only part time. With the money raised until now we will be able to work only a few months at most. Our project is in ethereum or lisk scale for things that we want to do (look our key features, we present things nobody had done until now), so we need an adequate amount, we can’t do it all that features without funds. But, we know that the two features that highlight in our project are the use of functional programming and decentralized debits cards, which both go to be our two main pillars. We are going to focus and develop these characteristics no matter how much funding we get.
About the interview, both Frank and Hao, are quite sure they want to go on, without releasing more personal information from them. They are pending to see if we can achieve our goals with the ICO to start to work full time with the project once the ICO finished. At this stage, they do not want expose themselves and risk his works.
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Look he says they don't want to be 'exposed'. But they already released their picture, name and employer in the original announcement. How could a video reveal any more info than that? He says they will do an interview but only AFTER they raise a lot of money in the ICO.. lol Does anyone honestly think this excuse make sense? |
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Personally I wouldn't even worry about this hurting anything/anyone except for the posters themselves .. Yep a bunch of noobs with some buthurt agenda. Speculating on what could happen before it has happened is just that ~ speculation. Evidence zero, points zero, ICO=scam in weight also zero. Thanks for trying, but not good enough  Edit: Nothing in op is evidence of anything ~ just speculations. If you think that is evidence then you have a few holes in your education .. If the dev team was real, they would prove it. Ask him why they won't simply prove it and dispel all this fud! He will give you an excuse that doesn't make sense. Like he has done so far. What kind of dev team would refuse to talk to the community and investors during their own ICO? Frank is a fake profile. If Frank was real he could make a 20 second video and shut down 50% of the fud in an instant. We already know what he looks like from his picture so claiming he wants to stay anonymous isn't a valid excuse. Wassermans other excuse is that, they won't post a video or interview because they already decided they won't post a video or interview. Circular logic. Like I said, most of these accounts are from noobs because we are the ones dumb enough to fall for this ICO. If you took time to read all of my questions, and wassersmans responses, you would be pretty convinced as well. If you did invest, then why didn't you voice everything that you are voicing right now at the very start before you invested? This part makes no sense to me at all .. Because I was dumb and invested on the first day of ICO. Then when the ICO fund raising started slowing down I tried to help. That is when I started to realize that the team isn't real. |
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Personally I wouldn't even worry about this hurting anything/anyone except for the posters themselves .. Yep a bunch of noobs with some buthurt agenda. Speculating on what could happen before it has happened is just that ~ speculation. Evidence zero, points zero, ICO=scam in weight also zero. Thanks for trying, but not good enough Edit: Nothing in op is evidence of anything ~ just speculations. If you think that is evidence then you have a few holes in your education .. If the dev team was real, they would prove it. Ask him why they won't simply prove it and dispel all this fud! He will give you an excuse that doesn't make sense. Like he has done so far. What kind of dev team would refuse to talk to the community and investors during their own ICO? Frank is a fake profile. If Frank was real he could make a 20 second video and shut down 50% of the fud in an instant. We already know what he looks like from his picture so claiming he wants to stay anonymous isn't a valid excuse. Wassermans other excuse is that, they won't post a video or interview because they already decided they won't post a video or interview. Circular logic. Like I said, most of these accounts are from noobs because we are the ones dumb enough to fall for this ICO. If you took time to read all of my questions, and wassersmans responses, you would be pretty convinced as well. |
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Why are you always repeating the same over and over again? nothing has changed, you don't have to post the same statements every single day. And I would love to see ours claims proven wrong, because it means nobody got scammed and everyone's happy.
Can you clearly state what your claims are and what evidence supports your claims? Thanks It will take a lot of work to gather all the quotes as proof but the most damning thing IMO is this... The coin founder/lead programmer Frank is not real. If you have been following the drama this has become very obvious. What kind of founder won't participate in the community or talk to anyone during their own ICO? If he was real he could easily prove it and stop most of this FUD, but he just won't do it. If you read all the post you would see just how silly it is. wasserman99's excuses why have all been nonsense. Anyone who is thinking about investing in Opair, read all the pages in these threads, it will probably change your mind. (current thread) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570330.160(OPAIR ICO=SCAM!! thread) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226.0 |
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Yes, I don't know the terms between SebatianJu and wasserman. I dont know what "by PARTS!!!!!" means. Because there are no milestones and no calculation about them. I think there will be this half ass deliver and Sebastian need to free the coin because litterally the features are delivered.
I asked both of them a few days ago when I started to realize Frank wasn't real. They don't have an agreement on any milestones or any details. I kept trying to point it out as another red flag but I guess it got lost in all the comments. |
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Yeah he got a hold of an account that hasn't been used in years. Look at all his post. They are all about Opair. He is a fake cheerleader.
Kooke and Wasserman99.. It's the same guy. That is why he is so illogically supportive of this obvious fraud ICO.
If you are so sure that kooke is wasserman99 then maybe go back to kooke's posts and find more details about wasserman's identity. I generally got convinced that Opair is not a direct scam when they started using an escrow. and that however doesn't mean I think it is legit, my guess is that wasserman is trying to fool people that he has a serious development team who is experienced. He's probably Dutch or German considering that he speaks the language, and maybe has one or two of his friends to help him out with the development. Maybe the initial idea was to collect as many funds as possible without an escrow, and then run away with them once the ICO is done, but when he saw that people are starting to make noise, he decided that he might profit more if he actually delivers some kind of a product and recieve the funds from Sebastian. Anyways, I honestly think that he would have been more successful he he stated that the team is "two german 14-year old skids" and those kids were giving interviews, than two random people who refuse for an interview, even a confidential one, by telling the community it would harm their jobs. He could still run away with 60 BTC at any given moment, because he never sent the initial ICO funds to SebastianJu. this is one hell of a payday for posting at a bitcoin forum for a month. He must have some plan. All the ICO money is still sent to him, not the escrow, then he forwards it. Maybe he is planning to stop forwarding on the last day or two? Hoping for a big rush of final investors? Like you said, he might try to half ass deliver features to get ICO money. Or maybe he thought he could trick people into giving him 700 btc and he could build a good coin. |
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Yeah he got a hold of an account that hasn't been used in years. Look at all his post. They are all about Opair. He is a fake cheerleader.
Kooke and Wasserman99.. It's the same guy. That is why he is so illogically supportive of this obvious fraud ICO.
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@BasementRot to be honest i dont care if who is behind this coin is satoshi nakamoto, frank, wasserman, etc etc. I only care the product, just me interested this product can be developed. The person behind is only an insignificant thing for me.
And this project have everything to succeed: His features are promising, wasserman has solved all the problems that arisen very quickly, his platform works smoothly, they are starting a marketing campaign, they are offering an escrow with SebastianJu and he will release the funds by PARTS (milestones, etc), the signature campaign is running and managed by Lutpin, news coverage, chinese coverage.
At the moment i have no complaints. I really think that you are wrong but only time will tell who is right.
Good health to Opair!
If he lied about the inventor/lead programmer do you really think everything else is going to be legit? The whole point is that if the ICO has big lies, its probably a scam... duh! You think its suspicious that a lot of newbie accounts are posting about Opair being a scam, but I gave a pretty good explanation. What I think is suspicious is that you seem to have 100% trust in this coin and don't even care if the lead programmer is fake. |
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Please read this: A very strange point I would like to be investigated is that 90 percent of people in this thread are newbies newly created accounts.
Maybe it is because most of the experienced people were smart enough to avoid this ICO? Kooke do you still honestly think that Frank is real? Many signs suggest that he is not...  |
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His features are promising, his platform works smoothly, they are starting a marketing campaign, they are offering an escrow with SebastianJu and he will release the funds by parts (milestones, etc), the signature campaign is running and managed by Lutpin.
Fudders gona fud no matters what.
Kooke how are you not worried by these obvious red flags? The coin founder Frank doesn't seem to be real. There is no milestone agreement on the escrow. |
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Just because we do not make a video call, for the reasons already set up hundreds of times, it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.
Please explain very clearly why you can't simply prove to us that your coin founder is a real person? I don't want the coin to fail. I just want the truth, which would benefit you greatly if you are being honest. It is pretty obvious that you don't have someone on your team that looks like Franks picture. If you did, you could dispel a huge amount of this FUD with 15 minutes of Franks time. |
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Just because we do not make a video call, for the reasons already set up hundreds of times, it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.
What are those reasons exactly? You said one is privacy - but you already released his photo, we know what he looks like. This excuse doesn't hold water. You said the other reason is.. you won't make a video chat or interview because you already decided that you won't make a video chat or interview. It's circular logic that also doesn't hold water. If that guy in the picture is actually on this team, you could prove it easily! |
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Frank not proving that he is real or talking to anyone is killing this ICO. No sensible founder would let their ICO suffer this much damage from something so trivial.
I regret my investment!
why didn't you a make a research before investing? I wanted the 25% bonus and it wasn't obvious on day 1 that the dev team wasn't real. Also I'm new here.. I didn't invest a lot. I just want to inform newcomers. |
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Just because we do not make a video call, for the reasons already set up hundreds of times, it does not make us better or worse proposal, just different.
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Your founder, Frank, has released a picture, full name and employer. How would a video chat compromise his privacy/job? We already know what his face looks like... Your explanation doesn't make sense? |
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Frank not proving that he is real or talking to anyone is killing this ICO. No sensible founder would let their ICO suffer this much damage from something so trivial.
I regret my investment!
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His features are promising, his platform works smoothly, they are starting a marketing campaign, they are offering an escrow with SebastianJu and he will release the funds by parts (milestones, etc), the signature campaign is running and managed by Lutpin.
Fudders gona fud no matters what.
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The only problem with the escrow is that they don't have any kind of agreement on milestones. They seem to just be sending SebastianJu the money. What happens if they say "we want all the escrow released to us when the basic wallet and coin are online"? Without a fixed agreement beforehand, how can SebastianJu say no? Without terms, there is no protection, he has to return the money to them because its technically theirs.. right? Frank not proving that he is real or talking to anyone is killing this ICO. No sensible founder would let their ICO suffer this much damage from something so trivial.
I regret my investment. |
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BasementRot, about this:
"Is there a list of fund release milestones and requirements?"
We have not agreed the details with SebastianJu, because it clearly depends on the funds obtained. Not the same release 10% of 100 bitcoins (little) to release 10% of 1000 bitcoins (much).
I would also like to clarify that for the realization of the first wallet will need little or no funds. Then we will need the funds for major expenses such as salaries of development, marketing, legal costs.
It makes sense that the release amounts would depend on total funds raised. But... When are you going to agree on the details? Shouldn't escrow details be agreed upon BEFORE the money is collected? How would escrow make sense any other way? How can SebastianJu have any legal right to withhold funds from you for failure to comply if you don't have an agreement on terms to comply with in the first place? |
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