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101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🏀 - ⚾ - ⚽ - ❄ - 🏈 - 👊 - Byteball Sport Betting Bot - UFC now available ! on: April 07, 2018, 04:37:29 AM
A fan made some promotional content  Grin


102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 06, 2018, 09:18:37 AM
Now, I have a wallet in my Android telephone. I want to set up a wallet in my computer, I just need to type my private key to sync wallet, is it right?

The easiest and straight way is to set up a new wallet on your computer and send all your assets and bytes to it.
103  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 06, 2018, 06:41:16 AM
I use android wallet, if I update the application, will the address change?
Or is there a way to keep the address unchanged even though I update it?
Because I use the payment addres in my android wallet. If it changes, then the payout from the signature will not go into my wallet.

No worry, your wallet will stay the same.
104  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🏀 - ⚾ - ⚽ - ❄ - 🏈 - 👊 - Byteball Sport Betting Bot - UFC now available ! on: April 05, 2018, 06:42:39 AM
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As a makers you can still short or long a team by setting odds to 0. Eg:
Barcelona Draw Roma, odds: 1.26 - 0 - 0 means that you will earn bytes only if Barcelona don't win and lose for other cases.
yeah, but you don't know how the money will be distributed between between Draw and Roma. Everything can go to Roma and Draw will in lose

When you set 0, it means that you don't propose odds for this outcome.
With odds: 1.26 - 0 - 0  and if you've set your max at risk at 100MB and your offer is completely filled. Then you earn 26MB if Barcelona don't win and lose 100MB if Barcelona win.
In this case, the bets on 'draw' and 'Roma win' concern other bookmakers but not you.
105  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🏀 - ⚾ - ⚽ - ❄ - 🏈 - 👊 - Byteball Sport Betting Bot - UFC now available ! on: April 05, 2018, 06:02:37 AM
can you share rules to basketball, hockey and baseball. There no DRAW, what will happen if the DRAW? Is this is HOME/AWAY markets, where one of the team should to win, in the additional time for example? Or if the DRAW bettors will get their bets back?

These sports are home/away markets including additional time and shootout. In the very rare case where a Baseball match would end in a draw, both teams would be considered as 'not winning' so the maker would win the bytes.


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Yes as a maker you have to trust the bot operator. From the moment you deposit your bytes to the moment you withdraw them.
can it be done trustless if the tx conf time will fast enough?

Unfortunately it is not possible in a convenient way.
For trustless contracting on both sides, makers and takers can use the chat to meet and then conclude contracts outside the bot (using P2P betting https://wiki.byteball.org/Sports_betting#P2P_betting) especially for big bets.
106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🏀 - ⚾ - ⚽ - ❄ - 🏈 - 👊 - Byteball Sport Betting Bot - UFC now available ! on: April 05, 2018, 02:51:29 AM
I have a question about the maker mode. Correct me please, deposit it's not a contract, and i need to trust the bot admin until my offers are accepted and sent to a smart contract

Yes as a maker you have to trust the bot operator. From the moment you deposit your bytes to the moment you withdraw them.


Idea: add the function for a "short" the team. Eg:
Barselona Draw Roma, odds: 1.26 - 7 - 15
Barselona (long = Barselona win) - 1.26. Bet 100Mb. Won: 1.26*100-100 = +26Mb. Lose: -1*100 = - 100Mb
Barselona (short = Barselona not win = Draw or Roma win) - 1.27. Bet 100Mb. Won: = Bet = 100Mb. Lose: (1.27-1)*100 = -27Mb
So Barselona long = +26Mb or -100Mb
Barselona short = +100Mb or -27Mb

For which side is your suggestion ?
For takers I think we shouldn't diverge from what casual bookmakers offer. Also since the interface is only a chat,  it's more reasonable to not offer too much options to keep it simple.
As a makers you can still short or long a team by setting odds to 0. Eg:
Barcelona Draw Roma, odds: 1.26 - 0 - 0 means that you will earn bytes only if Barcelona don't win and lose for other cases.

Also i'm interested in providing liquidity to markets. But i need a coder and i need to know the answer on a first question
I don't know what do you have in mind but I plan in a few weeks to add some kind of API allowing makers to automatize the placement of their offers. With some coding, it would allow the scrapping of odds from diverse sources in order to propose them into the betting bot. We can also imagine some kind of automated hedging from other betting markets.
107  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 03, 2018, 11:38:39 PM

Yes you maybe supporting bitcoin or litecoin mining indirectly or directly, behind the name of WCG.

I would stay away from it. It is burning electric power. Some of us support Byteball because it is enviromental friendly.

I would support it with a WCG Token, but not with Gbytes .

No way.
Only these projets run on WCG: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/viewAllProjects.do
They are all serious and it's impossible that they make you mining a crypto.
108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 02, 2018, 02:46:49 AM
The Betting Bot broke a record last week-end with a lot of bets on NHL, NBA and european soccer.
181 bets and 31GB at stake over 3 days !

You can monitor the bot activity by looking at this address: https://explorer.byteball.org/#YVGYHPL2U4UTYSYEJCI6DAXGKFYWENZC

Lately a new wiki page has been made about sport betting secured by conditional payment: https://wiki.byteball.org/Sports_betting
The third paragraph is a how-to use the Betting Bot.

No bullshit, smart-contracting is already a reality on Byteball !  Wink
109  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 01, 2018, 06:39:22 AM
Idea For A Sustainable Alternative To The Signature Campaign To Airdrop Remaining Bytes

I have been following Byteball for some time and I think the end of free coins just by holding the balance was the right decision. However, I do not like the new way to award coins for posts via a signature campaign. Apart from the fact that the benefit to the project should be limited, users who have high levels and probably already own Bytes are preferred. To get new users -- which should be the goal -- this way is rather not sustainable.

So I have another suggestion where everyone can participate and do something good. I have long been an active member of WorldCommunityGrid where you can leverage your free computing power for meaningful projects and research, e.g. fighting cancer and diseases, and other important things. The software of WorldCommunityGrid named BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing) is quick and easy to install (all major operating systems and mobile phones are supported). Anyone can set up the software in a few minutes and contribute processing power.

My idea: why do not we start a WorldCommunityGrid (WCG) Byteball team. For calculating small tasks, participants receive WCG points automatically. Via a Byteball bot, members can connect their Byteball address with their WCG username, and then receive free bytes from the bot - say, once a week - depending on the amount of WCG points earned. WCG provides a simple API with which the data can be read into the Byteball DAG via an oracle.

The effort is not big. In principle, only the bot would have to be written. I would have liked to set the task, but unfortunately I'm not a great NodeJs programmer.

If possible, the bot could also accept donations, so that the campaign could also be supported by donations and not only by the remaining bytes to be distributed. I would give a donation myself.

Do good and get bytes!
What do you think about the idea?

As a person alive thanks to science I love this idea ! And it would be a transparent and fair way to distribute remaining bytes.
If Tony accept to distribute a part of the remaining bytes via this method, I'm volunteer to code the bot.
It could be interesting to create and distribute an asset too, this way when bytes distribution will be over, there will still be a motivation for people to give computing power. It would be similar to FoldingCoin but with a more convenient layer to move the tokens.
110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🏀 - ⚾ - ⚽ - ❄ - 🏈 - 👊 - Byteball Sport Betting Bot - UFC now available ! on: March 28, 2018, 08:27:59 AM
How much is the fee?

The fee is 1% of the net gain for a bet won by a taker. No fee for bookmakers.
The odds shown already include the fee.


There is a new wiki page about betting with Byteball: https://wiki.byteball.org/Sports_betting  check it !



111  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 20, 2018, 10:44:02 AM
What I am refering to, a built-in system to translate chatbot.

I mean, a design enforcement (like text-en.js, text-it.js and so on), so chatbot developers dont have to care about the way to translate it. Simply they would have to put the files into specified location, and bb wallet would show the right strings.

KISS principle. Or tonych version: simplicity is beauty.

What you describe is already easily done by loading a nodeJS module that manages i18n translations, there is no need to dev something on wallet side.
112  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 12, 2018, 09:21:34 PM
I used the Freebe exchange http://freebe.byte-ball.com/
I placed an order to buy 30GBB.
A few days later the bot wrote to me:

"I just collected 320.34 MB from your contract (QNJBKHAWTNBYXFTUB5QVUDPXL45N5OZJ) and send it to your trade partner. You will receive 15320 MBB soon.
Remaining funds in your address: 309.748 MB. 10:57 PM
Hi there. I just send you 15320 MBB. Your order (Partial: QNJBKHAWTNBYXFTUB5QVUDPXL45N5OZJ) is completed now.
Thanks for using this service. "

Several days passed. The 15320MBB did not come to me. In a smart contract, I have 0.32GB left from 0.663GB. Where is my money? How can they be returned?

The bot operator has posted on Slack a solution for this issue:

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Hey everyone, there have been reports of delayed blackbyte transactions. I am looking into this problem and am not sure whats causing the problem at the moment (there seems to be no problem with freebe sending the transactions). What seems to help is resending the transactions.So as a short term work-around i enabled every user to let freebe resend the users own transactions from the last 7 days. To do so you can simply type: */resendmy*
while i am working on the solution please keep me informed about delayed transaction (even if the workaround worked for you)
113  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: February 28, 2018, 11:25:31 PM
Andreas speaks about DAG. I think he is right that with DAG you sacrifice decentralization and coersion resistance by removing proof of work. Byteball is a good example of this. We have 12 witnesses in the hands of 1 person. And even if these 12 witnesses are 12 different people it's easy by governments to coerce them for censorship or just shut down the whole system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfgMnbb5JeM

Could you tell some more about this? Is this from the white paper or some other source?
Yes, the white paper clearly defines 12 witnesses. These are the authority in Byteball preventing double spend that every user needs to rely on.

They don't really have authority, they don't decide anything. Their units are just used as reference to determine which was the first transaction in case of double-spend attempt.
114  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: February 27, 2018, 11:01:26 PM
It is clear that Tony can manipulate the market price of byteball with his own announcements.

He can buy in the market, then announce a good new, pumping the price and then sell his byteballs just before announcing bad news, to buy again lower.

This is not serious and makes me not to believe any more in this project and so I have sold my byteballs. Not interested in beeing a holder any more.


If you think it's that easy to predict how the market reacts you can try to play this game yourself. You can guess what's in preparation just by following the Byteball Github.
115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: February 26, 2018, 08:08:07 AM
Idea:
Use 100 witnesses instead of 12. Select these 100 at random from all wallets which have a minimum amount of GB and activity.


You don't prevent Sybil attack by doing that.
116  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + privateele, untraceable payments on: February 26, 2018, 08:06:23 AM
I have published a paper about what I consider being design flaws when you look at how Byteball does (not) decentralize.

Open for comments.

https://medium.com/@prat486/byteball-move-proposal-831187509ed0

Some random remarks about your paper.

This is a bit weird when you say that nobody would like to be a witness since you've been trying for 1 year to become one and I reckon that anybody somehow involved with Byteball would gladly accept to be one.


True but I never said that I would challenge my real world identity and reputation for that. Many guys would like to become witnesses for the witnessing commission only, it is not what the white paper claims a witness should be. Also they should be well reputed real world entity... not me and being an "anybody somehow involved with Byteball would gladly accept to be one" does not meet the criterion too.

To lose your reputation you would have to try to collude with other witnesses to do bad things. If you simply run honestly your node, you take no risk.


Not only because you also bless the code you are running with your reputation. Where is the third party (or more likely peer review) saying the code is flawless and that your reputation will remain immaculate when running it?

You're making this issue specific to Byteball but it's the same for any crypto and even open-source softwares in overall. If you are a business and accept a payment in crypto you bless the software you're running. It wouldn't hurt to have all the code audited but after more than 1 year of running and $ millions of value transfered we cannot consider that Byteball is an obscure software. And introducing a flaw on purpose isn't that easy, there are several people including me that watch commits to Byteball-core and we would expect a witness to be conservative and wait before deploying updates.
117  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + privateele, untraceable payments on: February 26, 2018, 07:10:38 AM
I have published a paper about what I consider being design flaws when you look at how Byteball does (not) decentralize.

Open for comments.

https://medium.com/@prat486/byteball-move-proposal-831187509ed0

Some random remarks about your paper.

This is a bit weird when you say that nobody would like to be a witness since you've been trying for 1 year to become one and I reckon that anybody somehow involved with Byteball would gladly accept to be one.


True but I never said that I would challenge my real world identity and reputation for that. Many guys would like to become witnesses for the witnessing commission only, it is not what the white paper claims a witness should be. Also they should be well reputed real world entity... not me and being an "anybody somehow involved with Byteball would gladly accept to be one" does not meet the criterion too.

To lose your reputation you would have to try to collude with other witnesses to do bad things. If you simply run honestly your node, you take no risk.
I recognize though there is too much uncertainty about who will eventually be witnesses and we have some kind of egg and chicken issue.
118  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + privateele, untraceable payments on: February 26, 2018, 06:39:40 AM
I have published a paper about what I consider being design flaws when you look at how Byteball does (not) decentralize.

Open for comments.

https://medium.com/@prat486/byteball-move-proposal-831187509ed0

Some random remarks about your paper.

Your vision about hub's remuneration is a bit short-sighted, you don't consider that a hub can be tied to a custom version of wallet from which the operator can make revenue from advertizing or collected data. Gmail, Whatapps or whatever make money although having to support high infrastructure cost. If the user doesn't want to be the product, he could still choose to volontary pay for a hub, a small payment is so easy with Byteball... I don't see why this should be included in the protocol.

This is a bit weird when you say that nobody would like to be a witness since you've been trying for 1 year to become one and I reckon that anybody somehow involved with Byteball would gladly accept to be one. Maybe your arguments could be right but I'm not convinced by witnesses chosen by proof of stake, it would give power to a few rich holders from whom we know nothing and remove the possibility for users to get a witness out. In overall this solution would suffer from all the flaws of PoS (see PoS vs PoW debate).

When you want to remove the header commission and keep the DAG narrow with a hard coded function, have you an idea of the algorithm used ? it doesn't look trivial to do.
119  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: February 26, 2018, 03:24:26 AM
*agitated*

So I'm fairly new to Cryptocurrency (Dec2017). After logging into Coinbase and transferring $1000 in BTC to GDAX and then transferring that $1000 BTC to Cryptopia I find that Byteball trading has been "broken" for months on that shit exchange. Tons of posts about people holding Bytes they can't retrieve. So I send the money back to my web wallet and get hit $10 in fees (FUCK CRYPTOPIA). So I google other options and see I can buy on Bittrex. Go and try to create an account but they aren't accepting new users. Long story short, I spend an hour and a half only to not own any GBYTE and lose $10 in BTC. I'm no whale and that attempted purchase accounts for half of my holdings.

-deep

Go cryptox.pl that is a small but reliable exchange without KYC.
120  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: February 18, 2018, 09:03:23 PM

As I said before, airdrops to holders of BTC and Bytes, which we did on full moons, were a good way to bootstrap the network and get initial attention.  But last few airdrops failed to attract any significant number of new users while quickly consuming the undistributed pool.  We had to pivot to other distribution methods, but at the time I was writing the above post they were not ready yet, and I had to tentatively put another old-style airdrop on the calendar.

Now that the new distribution methods are ready and proven, and we've added even more methods than originally planned, the March airdrop is cancelled.  November airdrop was the last one that paid to holders in proportion to their balances.

This is the list of the current distribution methods (in no particular order) that we'll continue to use and improve:

1. Cashback.

2. Verification rewards and referral rewards to those who verify their real name.  It is true that the referral system didn't work quite well for new users who have no Bytes yet, and we are going to introduce a new scheme which will allow to refer new users without sending them any Bytes.

3. Giveaways, such as those that Rafael does to his youtube subscribers.

4. Mass sending of textcoins to subscribers of our partners.  We have done two so far https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1heT6TUSpTJgRW-FUM0LbcoVjXZRCb3PbXQQLmzvNRvM/edit#gid=323859176 and will work on improving conversion in the future campaigns.

Other similar methods will be added over time, the purpose is to use the remaining undistributed coins most efficiently to acquire as many new users as possible.

There were multiple suggestions to redirect a part of undistributed funds from free distribution, i.e. from acquiring users, and spend it for hiring more people, paying contractors, etc.  While I understand the reasoning behind these suggestions, it is also important that we learn to spend money wisely, with the maximum effect per spent $, before (and if) we scale up the budget.  Anyway, it is unnecessary to repurpose the undistributed funds now as we have enough funds in the Community Fund to fund the current operations in the near future: it is over $1m in Bytes (plus another $1m in less liquid blackbytes).


How Blackbytes are going to be be distributed ? As far as I know none of these methods above distribute Blackbytes.
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