I do not think you mean the whole Marketplace but certain sections/Child Boards "specifically Goods & Currency exchange."
The main reason for low-quality posts is due to the inability of mods to delete it since scams aren't moderated.
Your solutions are somewhat arbitrary, especially the first solution/Suggestion.
Suggest the following:
- A warning message that you must log in and check trust before an agreement.
- Restrictions on some accounts "newbie + Jrmembers" to lock topics or create self-mod topics.
I think this wouldn't achieve anything at all. Thank you for the suggestions, but I believe they wouldn't change the current state of the Marketplace one bit. Also, I meant the whole Marketplace.If given opportunity, some people will create a bitcointalk.org that will be very selective and segregating. What can be classified as rubbish post? Don't we have moderators in every bitcointalk section? Is the OP insinuating that the government is playing with its people?
You can't expect mods to delete every bad thread now in the Marketplace, at least half of them are scams. We all know what the bad posts are, one-liner service threads in broken English, obvious scams asking to contact them in PM, etc. Selective? Segregating? If by that you mean selecting quality posts and sellers, then yes, I'd like to make it like that. Um..no. People will abuse this,just to annoy the mods. There is more to it, other things can happen too, and is not required. People may come here,bitch about how mods ruin lives,just like merit. And there are 26 mods(totally), the workload is already unbalanced, if I put it nicely.
Well, they couldn't abuse it if the post had to be paid, otherwise, they would be leaking money. People bitch, that's what they do, it would greatly reduce the scam number. I agree about the workload, specialized Marketplace mods are an option. This is actually not bad. But then again, people will abuse this too. People who sell illegal cracked versions would make shit ton of money,and would easily get into this too. But not a bad idea, could be implemented, but will it?  It's not about eliminating scams altogether, because that's impossible, even the most trusted member can run away with someone's money. It's about reducing the number of scams and shitposts so people can clearly weed them out. People still have to use their brain when making a deal, it's just much easier.This is not the best idea, isn't the worst either, but is unnecessary. I get why you want this to be there, some may like this, some won't. I wouldn't mind if its there or not. Might be a pet peeve for a few members.
But the thing is, theymos doesn't even want donations, this would be a headache for him, to manage, to account all of this, so don't ever expect this to happen,or wait till 3018TM for the new forum which was supposed to be out in 2014.
I agree it would require a lot of work, unfortunately, as every big change does. |
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I doubt this will happen - what are the rules that determines whether or not your thread is worthy of being posted? Seems like there is a massive room for bias here.
How about the marketplace mods have to try your service for free? That would give more legitimacy to the whole thing and would help weed out real services from fake ones. I think that's a good start. Also, room for bias? It's like saying that allowing mods to ban users gives room for bias.
The report to moderator on scammer or spammer is definitely good option that works, but I think the payment per post and ability to post in Marketplace section will nice additional action which will improve all board's work.
Thanks, Taki. I see users frowning upon the fee right away, but I thought as much. Like I've said, if you're actually earning from Bitcointalk then the fee pays itself very fast. I spend a lot of time in the Marketplace section and quite honestly it's full of broken English fake services. Since there is no limit who can post and how much, users just put up any kind of service and hope for at least 1 buyer until they make a new account and do the same. Keep the suggestions going guys! |
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This will increase mod workloads, and then they'll be responsible for judging whether somebody wanted to scam or not, isn't it? This won't be efficient to tackle the problems that you pointed out. You can fight the spam by reporting the post/threads, and for the scam thing, you can warn people as long as you have enough evidence. If your rank makes you feel uneasy to warn others, just remember that what you post is what matters, your rank doesn't matter at all on scam investigations/accusations.
For your other idea, that sounds good to me, but I prefer the latter. Well, they wouldn't be responsible for judging scams per se, rather evaluating sales threads and making sure they're up to the set standard. Starting sales threads would require more effort and people would actually have to treat it as a business. Great, marketplace's yearly membership fee will be more expensive than my antivirus' licence.
The idea is quite good, with the right implementation rules and adjusted reasonable fee, I can agree to this.
But somehow, we're gonna lose some "gift cards" sales since any possible buyer must pay $100 before he can buy a $50 Bitmain Coupon. Nobody's forcing you to be a seller and, honestly, if you don't make enough to support a 50-$100 yearly fee, then you got nothing to lose by not selling here. Of course, it can be adjusted and this just my suggestion, but I think it has to be something you can "feel" you are paying, not a meaningless fee. Regarding the second part, buyers would not be affected by this, sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I repeat: Buyers would not be issued a Marketplace fee. Keep the discussion going guys, thanks for replying! |
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Please keep these kinds of posts out of the beginner section.
"Free" groups are manipulative and trading crypto is quite similar to gambling in that sense, both the trader and gambler are easily manipulated into buying an "edge" over the competition. Hold a Q&A here if you want to help beginners, write a guide for them, not manipulate them into buying into a losing group.
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Just because you use a VPN, doesn't mean you're doing illegal things here. VPN is intended for your privacy ,not to protect you from illegal activities. People use VPN here, because they apparently get ddoxed and whatnot through various means. So if you want to protect yourself from hackers ,and want your data to be safe, its advisable to use a VPN/tor.
No, you didn't understand. Read again: more than in any other case. There's nothing illegal going on, so if a person doesn't use a VPN in everyday browsing, there's no reason to use one here If you're just a regular Internet user there is no added threat here on the forum, thus no larger need for hiding your IP. in comparison to other websites/forums Let's not make this forum a high-tech hacking society when half the users can't even write proper English(nothing against non-English languages, but it shows a lack of education not knowing it nowadays IMO). |
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I don't understand why theymos said there in that quote that keeping IP logs is extremely useful for account recoveries. Most hackers will just use Tor or a VPN to log in, and most people will also use VPN and Tor to browse this site, that is, if they know what they are doing, because I doubt people use their real IP's here, a place with tons of scammers trying to dox each other and so on. (maybe im missing the point and he is talking about something else, I haven't looked at the context of the quote)
The recovery system is a mess, big backlog of people still waiting to get their accounts recovered after delivering sufficient cryptographic proof via signing a message with a BTC address as they request. Yet, 99% chances are neither theymos or cyrus will look at your thread.
I like how that system sounds, however it must be automated for account recovery or else hire more people to make the process faster.
Why would most people use VPN here? I mean more than in any other case. There's nothing illegal going on, so if a person doesn't use a VPN in everyday browsing, there's no reason to use one here. Having said that, there is a concerning amount of scammers here and they're starting to pile up on each other. Maybe we should address that issue first.. |
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I'd like to talk about the state of our Marketplace section. I've gotten a lot of business through BitcoinTalk and am very grateful for that. I've made some friends and some lasting business relationships. But, recently, the thing that worries me is the amount of low-quality posts in the marketplace. Not just threads, but meaningless posts only to increase post count. I feel the marketplace has gotten out of hands. I try to post and warn on blatant scams so that people can be aware, but I don't like being the cop, especially since I'm just a Jr. Member. However, I've been doing business online for a long time and can spot scams right away, especially since most of them are "taken" from other forums and scammers are just not that creative(at least the ones we see most often). Bitcointalk should implement some rules which will help combat Marketplace spam and restore its integrity. I'll throw out some of my suggestions and hope other people also join: - Mod Approval of Marketplace Threads - this one I list first because I think it's the most important one. Without this, my other suggestions don't make much sense. Each and every Marketplace thread has to be approved by a mod, otherwise, it won't be posted. The way it works is if someone is selling a certain service, he is required to provide the mod a free sample of his service and the mod will then approve or decline his application with a review under the OP. I realize mods are people too, but I think a lot of people and high ranking members would be happy to be mods for free OR they can be paid out of my next suggestions:
- Paid Marketplace Membership - I realize a lot of people will be against this, but I think a symbolic sum of $50-$100 a year to be a Marketplace seller would weed out at least the low-effort scammers and spammers. If you're a serious seller, it pays itself quite fast. Also, you're literally advertising on the forum, just not "officially". That should cost something.
- Paid Marketplace Threads - now this can be a separate solution OR it can even be implemented along with the paid membership. What this means is 1 service - 1 thread, around $20 per thread I think is a fair price and will help keep sellers and services organized(myself included).
This thread is meant to be as a discussion, not just as my ramble, so any feedback or suggestions are welcome. I really hope the mods join in, as I think it's an important topic regarding the reputation of the forum also. I know the forum has nothing to do with the sellers, but it's still happening on BTCTalk "grounds" thus impacting its reputation in my opinion. |
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Metamask doesn't allow me to visit bitcointalk.to, that's awesome
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I am telling reality of your fake services, you offering with your account.
What fake services, what are you talking about? Who are you and why did you feel the need to troll me? |
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Spam service, fake. Don't buy.
What is that even supposed to mean? You are just spamming peoples posts. |
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Because I charge in BTC & altcoins and their prices keep changing, that's the reason for not putting price publically as it has to be adjusted with market conditions.
Well any popularly known or unknown VPN services you use they after all using servers from some host like you will do, your data is still under the watch of the host where any popularly 'KNOWN' VPN is hosting servers. It indeed is far more secure using your own VPN servers and it costs less cheaper thank paying hefty monthly fees and you get amazing speed which usually not stable with any good VPN provider as they end up with overload of network traffic from users' usage.
Anyway, nevertheless it's choice of the individuals to decide what is best for them.
If the price keeps changing then you charge in fiat, it's not that complicated. If you charge in BTC then there is no change as 1 BTC = 1 BTC Secondly, a lot of VPNs have a no logs policy which means no information is stored, so don't talk about your option being "far more secure" because it's actually not. As for the speed, I agree it certainly is faster having your own VPN, but claiming that other providers are "unstable" is just not true. Most of the well-known services are fast and have a bunch of server locations, couple that with the no logs policy and you are better off paying the "hefty" monthly fee. Again, I do not mean to insult you, but you are offering a service regarding privacy and I feel there is no room for error and misinformation on this topic, everyone deserves to have their privacy. |
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Getting paid to setup vpn on the server installing needed softwares and configuration and then you can connect using openvpn clients from your computer or phone devices.
To get price quote please PM or contact using above mentioned means.
Well, I think it would be good if you declared the price publicly. FYI for anyone reading: Having your own VPN does not make you more anonymous than using a known VPN. Heck, there are loads of VPNs that don't hold logs and are more secure than hosting your own VPN. Just think people should know that, as any hosting provider can and will collect your data and hand it over if needed. I just think this stuff had to be said because of the nature of the service being privacy. |
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You need to get your own VPS or server from any host of your choice.
So what are you getting paid for then? What's your service exactly and at what price? |
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Who is hosting the server? Please explain in greater detail what exactly are you offering.
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are u mad? , no i am just only one man to use my one acount in this bitcointalk
I did not quote you so not sure why you are replying or maybe that was your other account? |
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i like your service, please pm me,
thank you sir i am always ready to work & successfully promote your project i also need a bounty manager, please check your telegram pm, Did you just post as two different people from the same account? |
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Not talking of the audit score here, there are ways and means to fool audits too.
Are those real real? Like can I expect them to interact with my tweets and my content?
Well, like we've said already, some of them are real. In regards to whether they will interact, we honestly can't tell you. Some of them will for sure, but we're not selling that service nor will we make any guarantees in regards to that. |
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Are those or bot?
A lot of them are real, and when tested on new accounts TwitterAudit shows 87% real. |
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Prices for followers are $20 per 1k followers. Bulk discounts are available. FIRST ORDER BONUS for all clients- $14,99/1k followers
No offense but for me this is not a great offer. I have seen legitimate services that you can get a thousand followers for just 2.5 usd. Although that service is being delayed for days but surely, you'll get 1k. I can guarantee you that those services do not work currently at those prices. Twitter has made a big change to their API and because of that, unfortunately, we had to raise prices just like every other panel. We've had multiple customers tell us that most panels aren't working for Twitter followers. Also, " I've seen" and " I've tried" are not the same. Our service also has almost no drop in followers after the process and you can be sure that with other "cheaper" services you will lose those followers after a week or two, thus wasting money. Anyway, thanks for your comment, if you have questions, just ask. |
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