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1001  Other / Off-topic / Re: The function of religion ? on: October 02, 2012, 09:18:03 PM
I once had a dream, a dream where us humans were in outer space building a mind. A mind that contained all knowledge and all possibilities. We were building an omnipotent being, a god. Maybe we never came from god, we came to build god. We may just as well succeed . Succeed in making our own god.

I wonder if you know how close this is from some hard science fiction concepts.
1002  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: cbitcoin - Bitcoin implementation in C. Currently in development. on: October 02, 2012, 09:12:38 PM
The only example of a GPL library I know is the GNU libc library itself.

GNU libc is not GPL.  It's LGPL.

Is it?  Oh shit it is.  I really thought it was GPL.   My bad.   I guess you guys win.
1003  Other / Off-topic / Re: The function of religion ? on: October 02, 2012, 09:05:24 PM
The universe, and our minds, are not chaotic. They are structured, ordered. There is no such thing as chaos in this universe, chaos being the absence of information.

Besides, if what you say is true about the human mind, then how can you argue anything at all? Just give up, its pure chaos in our heads.  Grin

Information is only information if there is something to understand it, record it, and recognize it.

That sentence is correct! That 'something' is a supreme creator God.

Information cannot exist without being created first.

Since obviously information existed before any physical mind (otherwise we could have actual logical contradictions), the only rational conclusion that can be reached, is that there is an omnipresent, all-powerful, all-knowing God.

Other theories can be formulated, but none of them are rational if they don't make an exception for a supreme being.

Information does not need a conscious mind to exist, though I understand this is a tricky philosophical question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forest


1004  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: cbitcoin - Bitcoin implementation in C. Currently in development. on: October 02, 2012, 08:37:45 PM

Just so you know, I've just sent an email to RMS about this.  As I said, I think it's an important enough issue to bother him.
1005  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: cbitcoin - Bitcoin implementation in C. Currently in development. on: October 02, 2012, 08:16:49 PM
I'll come back to this issue at a later date. Once again I said I'm thinking through cbitcoin over the next few weeks. This is one thing I will look at and consider what license is best. So you just have to stay tuned. I do think the GPL has got problems, so yes I will figure this out. The LGPL might not be perfect either, so we will see.

I gave my opinion but as you might have understood, I'm not a professional programmer, not even an experienced or talented one.  So maybe indeed GPL is not a good fit for a library.  The only example of a GPL library I know is the GNU libc library itself.

I suggest that during those few weeks you seek wisdom in the FSF community, on IRC or something.   Hell, maybe you can send an email to RMS himself  (I'm serious, I think this is an important enough topic, and we now know that RMS is aware of bitcoin).
1006  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: cbitcoin - Bitcoin implementation in C. Currently in development. on: October 02, 2012, 08:00:31 PM
Well grondilu pointed out the linux kernel. That's not exactly "small, niche and useless to a vast portion of the community that would use it".

Irrelevant example, comparing apples and oranges.  The Linux kernel is not a library.

Applications do not link directly with the Linux kernel, therefore applications (obviously!) may be any license.

I'm must say I'm quite surprised by this GPL hate.

Fair enough.  If MatthewLM wants to stick with GPL (I really hope he will), then cbitcoin will only be linked with GPL applications, which is totally fine imho.

In long term, I think bitcoin will need at least one GPL implementation, for reasons too long to explain.  It does not matter if not everyone uses it.
1007  Other / Off-topic / Re: The function of religion ? on: October 02, 2012, 07:55:33 PM
Religion is ubiquitous and universal in human culture (in some form for hundreds of thousands of years). Anthropologically that suggests it's a pretty significant component of evolved human behavior.
It's only after the enlightenment that we get any notion of the possibility that it's all nonsense.
The question really isn't one of belief - it must be one of evolution. Religion must have provided a substantial evolutionary advantage otherwise it couldn't have existed at all.
You haven't read my quote above of Daniel Dennet comparing religion to the common cold, have you?

Religion has an evolutionary advantage...  for religion.   Same as a common cuckoo has an "evolutionary advantage" other a reed warbler:

Parasitism does exist.  And it does not give any evolutionary advantage to the host.


You know, slavery also has been common for thousands of years.  Does that make it a good thing?

I'm not sure evolution cares about good or bad (you think cookoos are bad?)- a human judgement that parasites are bad is irrelevant (unless it gives you an evolutionary advantage).
Morality and good and evil etc are myths just like religion.
We're all parasites (look at what you had for dinner today)

There were two parts in my post.  The first one was to show you that the fact that religion exists does not mean that it gives an evolutionary advantage to humans.  It does not anymore than the common cold or diabetes does.

The second one was to alarm you of your reasoning that consists in saying "it has existed for thousands of years, so it must be good".

These were two separate arguments.  Please don't mix them.
1008  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: October 02, 2012, 04:25:10 PM
Guess I should stop playing angel's advocate for them now.  Cheesy

Indeed, please stop.  It's just confusing.
1009  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: October 02, 2012, 03:59:11 PM
If on morning I want to drink coffee instead of tea, do I have to leave the county as well?
I guess the machine could produce both of them of amounts based on consumption statistics.

As I said, it is insane.

So you basically want to treat humans like animals in a farm.  Taking care of all their needs and desires in an organized, "rational" way.   I guess you're fans of Orwel and Aldous Huxley, aren't you?

Tell me:  when you read "Brave new world", did you think oh my gosh this is the way to go, by any chance?


 
1010  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: October 02, 2012, 03:44:10 PM
If it bothers you because it happens too often to you and you really prefer cars over the transit, and you believe they are more important than smartphones (using the same rare earths), I imagine the RBE system will have plenty of parameters where people can democratically vote if cars or smartphones are more important to them, and the system will recalculate the production processes.
If you don't agree with what most people vote, maybe you can even move to another city where you'll get more cars because people there vote more in your favor.

This is insane.


If on morning I want to drink coffee instead of tea, do I have to leave the county as well?
1011  Other / Off-topic / Re: They plan on building a supercomputer on the moon. on: October 02, 2012, 02:43:42 PM

I'm not sure but I think space is a terrible environment for electronics.  There are radiations, cooling issues (it's cold but there is no air to convect heat), and it's pretty damn difficult to bring a human if there is a need for a repair or change of component.
1012  Other / Off-topic / They plan on building a supercomputer on the moon. on: October 02, 2012, 01:38:13 PM

Wired: Why We Need a Supercomputer on the Moon

« It would be a mammoth technical undertaking, but a University of Southern California graduate student thinks there’s a very good reason for doing this: It would help alleviate a coming deep-space network traffic jam that’s had NASA scientists worried for several years now. »

Unless the secret goal would be to mine bitcoins for government?  (Smiley  just kidding, of course)
1013  Other / Off-topic / Re: Millionaire leaves message on the key to happiness on a bank receipt... on: October 02, 2012, 01:17:48 PM
even they realized happiness could never actually be attained...

It can.  It's just that it mostly doesn't depend on you.

That being said, not being happy does not necessarily mean being miserable.


IMHO
1014  Local / Échanges / Re: Problème Bitcoin Central on: October 02, 2012, 01:04:32 PM
Juste pour "clore le topic", comme bien souvent, le problème ne venait pas d'eux mais de l'acheteur (moi) !
Leur service est hyper pro, et surtout hyper rapide.
Une fois les "instructions" suivies, l'argent est viré en qques minutes.
Le tout donne l'impression d'être vraiment hyper safe, et je ne peux que conseiller ce site aux nouveaux dans l'univers du Bitcoin, qui semblent nombreux.
Et pour avoir checké les tarifs des autres plateformes, la différence de prix semble vraiment anecdotique, même pour des transactions "conséquentes".

Je crois qu'il vaut mieux éviter ce genre de publicité sur le forum.  Sinon très vite tout le monde va s'y mettre (y compris quitte à créer des faux-nez pour l'occasion).

D'un autre coté je dis ça mais j'ai une pub dans ma signature.  Dans les signatures tout le monde le fait depuis le début du forum, donc ok.  Mais faire de la pub dans le corps d'un message, et pour ne rien dire d'autre, c'est pas tout à fait pareil amha.

J'en parlerais volontiers au modérateur, mais comme c'est Davout et que c'est le créateur de bitcoin-central, je ne suis pas sûr qu'il soit très objectif.   Wink
1015  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: October 02, 2012, 12:33:34 PM
I guess the important point and main difference to our current model of economics is that the Zeitgeisters want to eliminate competition, which of course means we'd have a globally computer-controlled planned economy and a giant single point of failure.

You gotta be kidding, right?
1016  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: October 02, 2012, 09:07:12 AM
[...] Such a Venus Project city would be a perfectly valid endeavor also in an market economy. [...]
I think this is a very important point.

If the society they imagine will be able to produce goods and services more efficiently than our current economies, this will simply translate into lower prices.

I've tried to explain them that countless times.  I'm still waiting for an accurate answer.
1017  Other / Off-topic / Re: The function of religion ? on: October 02, 2012, 08:55:02 AM
Religion is ubiquitous and universal in human culture (in some form for hundreds of thousands of years). Anthropologically that suggests it's a pretty significant component of evolved human behavior.
It's only after the enlightenment that we get any notion of the possibility that it's all nonsense.
The question really isn't one of belief - it must be one of evolution. Religion must have provided a substantial evolutionary advantage otherwise it couldn't have existed at all.

You haven't read my quote above of Daniel Dennet comparing religion to the common cold, have you?

Religion has an evolutionary advantage...  for religion.   Same as a common cuckoo has an "evolutionary advantage" other a reed warbler:



Parasitism does exist.  And it does not give any evolutionary advantage to the host.


You know, slavery also has been common for thousands of years.  Does that make it a good thing?
1018  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: October 02, 2012, 07:44:26 AM
Right, they say abundance is achieved due to automated recycling technologies, which will make people stop being needy and greedy and unnecessarily hoarding food and stuffs. These technologies don't happen today because of profit motives.

Of course, in reality it's not because profit motives are in the way. Such a Venus Project city would be a perfectly valid endeavor also in an market economy. But I guess in reality no entrepreneur is willing to take on the risk to develop and implement these technologies, or entry costs are too high because of some laws (the evil state). Either way, the Zeitgeisters don't describe how to get there either, or are waiting for the big revolution, from what I gather.

For scarce resources, like (maybe flying) cars etc, they advocate a sharing model, so nothing that people who prefer it that way already do today. Of course, the question is unanswered that the scarcity can also be on the time axis. Like, I dunno, tickets for the super bowl final. Still they want to abolish money, and if people use cigs to trade them on the black markets, big brother PJ will jump out of the TV screen and smack them over I guess.

Nice summary.
1019  Other / Off-topic / Re: The function of religion ? on: October 02, 2012, 07:31:55 AM
So what if I told you that, this was a big game designed to trick you to believe that you exist and that everyone and everything was in on it.

You mean a conspiracy theory, right?  Like in Truman show?  Do you know that there is a psychiatric term for this?



Then I guess he'll have to talk to you about Occam's razor and how conspiracy theories can not reasonably explain anything since it is always possible to imagine one.
1020  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: October 01, 2012, 05:40:40 PM
The Zeitgeist Movement is based on science

o rly?  Shocked where's the academic studies?  Huh

+1

The Zeitgeist Movement is based on science, super computers, and mathematical algorithms.
It just seems that no one actually KNOWS what that science, super computers, and algorithms are. The terms sound cool, and there are always "people who understand this better than I can and can explain it better," but no one has actually ever met those people either.

+1

Especially considering how easy it is to publish a scientific paper nowadays.   Consider this:

There is not a single article mentioning the word "Zeitgest" in arxiv.org

Edit.  My bad, I made a typo.  There is one.  A single ONE on the whole arxiv.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.2016

Here is the abstract:
« Whereas physics in the period from about 1880 to 1910 experienced a steady growth, it was also a revolutionary period in which the foundations of the physical world picture were criticized and reconsidered. Generally speaking, from about 1890 mechanics and materialism came under increasing attack and sought replaced by new formulations based on either energy, the ether, or the electromagnetic field. Fin-de-siecle physics was in many ways a chapter of turmoil in the history of science. I review the main developments and alternatives to the established physics, in particular energetics, ether physics, the electromagnetic world view, and also the role played by radioactivity and other new rays discovered in the years around 1900. In the end the anticipated revolution based on the "matter is dead" catchword did not succeed. A revolution did take place in the period, but it was a different one that did not derive from the Zeitgeist of fin de siecle. »
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