No, that is not how I look at it.
In my opinion when the government steps in, it is fixing a symptom of a flaw in the system. The system must be built in such a way that government is unnecessary. Case in point, PayPie's triple entry accounting.
Some form of government intervention will always be needed. Even in paypie, without govt assistant, it's will be hard to verify the validity of info entered in the ledger in certain areas. The idea is to find that buoyant balance where the govt aids the growth of crypto without centralizing the agendas. Government are people and people are corruptible, therefore cannot be trusted. In my opinion, the current form of government itself - that is, rule by the people - is a trust-based system and therefore vulnerable to incompetence, fraud and mistakes. At some point in the future we will look back and wonder how we managed to live under such a deeply flawed construct. Trusting government agencies such as the SEC only gives a false sense of security. Even if they hold no ill intent, they are not omnipotent. They stop some bad apples, but let a lot of garbage through. How else could such a thing as the 2007-2008 credit crunch happen? The truth is, the root of the problem is not even government. That is just a symptom too. Essentially it is a misunderstanding of humanity. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/22/5086/#6d6f032ff92fWell put and i do agree but it will take time to attain that ideal scenario. Human input is always needed in the beginning. Error is inevitable, the idea is to attenuate it's occurrence. |
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Yes, UTRUST could eleminate the problems of PayPal payments, so that it could as additional effect enlarge the acceptance of cryptocurrency payments. Wish you great success with your project.
Yes sir, i saw the whitepaper and its ao amazing that uTrust is better than paypal that serve as common online money transfer for everyone. If utrust is better than paypal then it means that this is the best system that we have in the future for our online payment transactions. You are right about that DanF20  UTRUST will be the future of online payment, it will just take some time. This is a great project with a healty future. Cant wait for taking part in the crowdsale. Great work team! Right!! Super shiller has been activated. Utrust will have to prove it's platform reliability, and security for several yrs and while at it, also try to foster relationships with merchants. So Utrust will consider the biz extremely lucky, if they doing 5% of paypal's biz in 10yrs. It's will take awhile to eve fathom what you shilling about |
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see their beta  that's awesome. dev will publish soon so ur guys should be confident when invest on this project Where did you see it? can a link be posted please.... Im getting too hyped to wait longer. Want to see the bot in action! I also would like to take a look at the prototype in action, I wonder how everything will work, test any strategy, if you have this - share it ! Does beta has been released already.? Didnt even see that on their social media or here.? Some team member should clarify this. They said they will release it soon so dont worry, im sure they will post it immediately when it will be ready for public. Where did you see that a beta would be soon released ? What you have is an aimless shiller, using false info to deceive others for his or her own gain. Anyway, a video of an arbitrage in action will be fine but releasing a demo for hands on approach will be most ideal |
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Its kinda a paradox that on one hand we dont want government to interfere with ICOs and cryptocurrencies and are always jumping in the air when they announce some regulations but on the other hand we welcome when governmental departments are pursuing fraud and even demand them to take action against scammers in crypto world. No, that is not how I look at it. In my opinion when the government steps in, it is fixing a symptom of a flaw in the system. The system must be built in such a way that government is unnecessary. Case in point, PayPie's triple entry accounting. Some form of government intervention will always be needed. Even in paypie, without govt assistant, it's will be hard to verify the validity of info entered in the ledger in certain areas. The idea is to find that buoyant balance where the govt aids the growth of crypto without centralizing the agendas. |
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Is there a minimum amount for the Greenlist sale? In the form something like 10 is in by default but you can overwrite it with any different amount.
Thank you in advance
10 ETH is the minimum amount to get bonus during the pre sale. For sure we can change it to our desired numbers. One thing for sure, the more money we invest, the more bonuses we will get. No, that is not correct, minimum amount to get the 30% bonus is 0.01 ETH. We want every one to be able to get the same benefits. Thank you for clarifying that with 0.01 ETH there is "practically" no minimum for the pre-sale! I think the wrong statement of a minimum of 10 ETH might have already scared some of us here from participating in the pre-sale. Thank god it's only 0.01 ETH. The 10 ETH minimum would've definitely put off a lot of people to this ICO. How much is the team looking the raise during pre-sale? to me the concept of pre-sale has been abuse, before pre-sale fund is use to develop the platform, get the team up and running and carry out some marketing and promotion work before coming for ICO but now there is no week difference in ICO and pre-sale As stated before, the pre sale is more an artefact to facilitate the ICO process and avoid network congestion. That is why there is a very little difference on the presale vs the ICO and why we have not put any cap on the presale and a 0.01ETH minimum amount. Should it have been a true pre sale to raise money for funding puprose, we would have put a cap and certainly a minimum amount to avoid having too many people at this early stage. Well if it's 0.01eth, then you should it on the ann post and website, cos according to those, it's a minimum of 10eth to get the bonus. Most investors won't take the time to peruse this thread and will just go of the info on that first page. |
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Wow.., this is a great ICO...,
Yes indeed.. This is a very great ICO... So many development before the grat ico... So many investors and supporters.. This is just so great... As alway, make sure you do a diligent research before investing in any ICO, don't blindly listen to shill from btc talk profiles |
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One of the strengh of algorithmic is the stress model which evaluate the best way to taking into account the worst case scenario. A gifted human could do it but it does not have the right to error. It saves time and security that bring the serenity to the investor.
Humans will always make an emotional mistake in the long run. No way humans can be unbiased with numbers and stress when it involves money. Bots are the future for most things that involve money:D To be frank I hold a good amount of crypto but, I can't trade freely. I get too nervous while selling or buying anything. Waiting to see NapoleonX in action perhaps it could help me. Having too many coins require a good management since it will make our trading habit becomes so hard. It is better to focus on one or two coins to gain max understanding about the price movements. But if in the future NapoleonX can help us to manage our trading that involved a lot of types of coins, that will be awesome. There are more than one token for a problem. That's making it difficult to keep an eye on everything. NapoleonX could make it easy for everyone. Again NapX won't magically fix your trading woes. You have to be versed in the subject to effectively use a bot to favorable result. If not you might actually speed up the rate of loss with bots. |
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today 1 Oct now,any movement about ICO of UTRUST, I am really looking forward it. hope the ICO to be successfull.
Were all excited for ico because we all knw that this project is unique even in local thread they are happy for uTrust development. Look forward for this project. How it works sir? No limit when I use uTrust for m online payment? You may use uTrust for any online payment transactions, its more better than paypal and other online payment and also you can use any fiat and coins or tokens to pay your orders in online shop like amazon and many more. You can check the white paper at page 1 for more info. You will find anything you want here only in uTrust. But how my customer can purchase utrust. even I use bitcoin for my service many people still say can they purchase by paypal.  No onr said anthing about purchasing Utrust thru paypl. Rather, they said that utrust is a direct competition to paypal. In other to purchase utrust post ico, you have to to buy it of an exchange like you would with any other coin |
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Ah now I get it, GATCOIN is an erc20 and it will always be an erc20, merchants tokens instead are issued on GAT system which will have its own blockchain ( with SSL tech). Now that I'm understanding the concept I think this is a good idea , you can move discounts vouchers, loyalty points etc... to a new level, with some kind of "interoperability" between retailers
Exactly - and every one of this bonuses will be in your mobile phone without any need for physical loyalty cards. Today's technology is amazing again why will i a merchant, pay merchant fee to some random company for a service i can easily provide myself. No matter how much you guys keep trying to sugarcoat things. no one has provided a concise reason on why this middle man service is needed. Even the dev can provide a good reason. |
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am going to keep bumping this post till i recieve a clear and concise answer that makes sense rather than constant shills to bury the post but Again, most companies might not be blockchain savvy yet but a quick Google search on creating ERC token will show the steps involved and it's not that complicated. It takes less than 30 mins to create one. I have created several tokens and am not that technically inclined, so it would makes sense that companies actually interested in blockchain will easily learn the process.
So, my question is how does GATCOIN plan to stay viable 6mths - 1yr down the line as most individuals find out that solidarity is not rocket science and most of this scripts can be easily created or emulated. Why will companies subcontract GATCOIN ( a company using ERC 20) to create a token for them when it takes less than 30 mins to create your own ERC 20 token.
Companies like embermine offer identical service and actually have three airdrops currently occuring and yet they having a tough time gaining foothold in the market cos the service is nothing unique. So how does GATCOIN intend to make this a viable coin for long term holders?
I think it is irrelevant what platform a company use to create their coin or weather it is erc20 or something else.What is important is why would they create a coin for themself and GATcoin will give them that reason.A user can exchange company A coins for company B coin or trade them on GATcoin market.Why you think sk planet chose GATcoin instead of ,as you say,create their own coin?What would they have done by creating a erc20 token that has no purpose? You mentioned embermine,are you there paid shill or what? No am not a paid shill for embermine, am using them as an example to show that multiple companies already ventured into the proposed idea and every single one of them is doing bad. I made sure to mention that embermine is doing poorly, so am not sure why you would even think am shilling their bs. As for your explanation that GATcoin will give a company a reason to create token cos it can be exchange for another company's token ot sold on an exchange. you just pretty much stated what we doing doing with cryptocurrency since it commenced. You get a token, you take it to an exchange sell it and either keep the btc, or use it to buy another token. So like i keep on mentioning, Gatcoin is not bringing anything new to the table, if anything they rehasing a played out idea that's on it's way to been obsolete in a few months to a yr and they want ppl to give em several millions for it. I would let it go but i will hate for an uninformed user thinking this is a good ico to invvest in long term just to turn around and get fucked few months down the line cos you offering a redundant service. |
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30% bonus granted to all subscribers registered for the pre-sale subject to a final investment between 1x and 1.5x Min amount from the ETH address indicated. Does that clearly means that the 30% off will be for those investing at least 10 ETH ? Correct me if I'm wrong please before going further. If investing less than those 10 ETH, does that mean i'll get 0% off ? Waiting for one clear answer from one of the Devs or the community manager(s). If you go by the dictation, then it's clearly 30% for those investing 10ETH or more. However, there have been many misleading info on the thread that am not 100% sure anymore. I think in just in case it will be better to invest more than 10 ETH, exchange price of Napoleon сoin will be very high, because the NaPoleonX worthy of attention project is waiting for success I'm dead sure that this project is on of a kind, can't argure about that. But the saying that 30% is ONLY for those with 10+ETH is a little bit disappointing for small investors like myself for example. My point of view is that this can be reduced to 1ETH (can be found in 99.99% of ETH holders), but 10 ETH is something that only can be found in Whales pocket. I still wait for some confirmation from the community manager(s). Or better I'll ask their slack, i'm sure I'll get n answer there for this dilemma. 10 eth is approx $3000. That's hardly whale numbers. anyway, i do agree that offering 30% to only large investors will encourage ICO pnd groups/whales. however, dropping it down will have the same effect too but with the higher number of investors getting in. so either way, it's lose lose situation. |
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am going to keep bumping this post till i recieve a clear and concise answer that makes sense rather than constant shills to bury the post but Again, most companies might not be blockchain savvy yet but a quick Google search on creating ERC token will show the steps involved and it's not that complicated. It takes less than 30 mins to create one. I have created several tokens and am not that technically inclined, so it would makes sense that companies actually interested in blockchain will easily learn the process.
So, my question is how does GATCOIN plan to stay viable 6mths - 1yr down the line as most individuals find out that solidarity is not rocket science and most of this scripts can be easily created or emulated. Why will companies subcontract GATCOIN ( a company using ERC 20) to create a token for them when it takes less than 30 mins to create your own ERC 20 token.
Companies like embermine offer identical service and actually have three airdrops currently occuring and yet they having a tough time gaining foothold in the market cos the service is nothing unique. So how does GATCOIN intend to make this a viable coin for long term holders?
While, technically, it is possible for companies to establish a blockchain token independently on their own, that alone is not doing them much use. The value of GATCOIN comes from its network and the GAT Exchange. For customers, collecting blockchain rewards points from various retailers/shops/merchants doesn’t solve the issue that they have points that they can’t/don’t want to use. Through the growing network of retailers (big and small) on the GATCOIN network, these customers will have greater choice of how and where to use their rewards points (of course done via exchange through the GAT Exchange). Moreover, with all these customers of various merchants using the same wallet, it is easier for merchants to reach new customers (for example through demographic/spending targeting). As we have already secured the partnership with SK Planet Japan, we are launching out of the gate with a strong network of merchants who will issue Tokens, thus offering immediate choice to consumers and GAT Wallet holders. As new merchants come on board, we streamline the process for them so that blockchain tokens are no longer an onerous technical issue for them but rather just another marketing application—we remove the hassle of having to Google the process and learn the tech. To put it simply, we are offering a one-stop-shop for all rewards points. The more merchants who join, the more powerful the platform. We are working hard to recruit even more partners and are confident that more merchants will join the platform organically as the success of GATCOIN grows. "While, technically, it is possible for companies to establish a blockchain token independently on their own, that alone is not doing them much use" Well, establishing a token on GAT is not doing them much use also unless the buyers choose to invest in it. Like i mentioned before Why don't you model your ICO on updating and creating creating the best exchange platform for Cryptocurrencies. Cos am still not sold that a company would rather pay you merchant fee to create a token on your simple token on your platform when they can create free tokens and have more input on it's selective features by using several platforms. It's Biz 101, no one will pay for something they can get for free. Esp when the service offered is very easy to master. |
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Hi. What happens to the unsold tokens? I read the whitepaper but didnt find the part. Thank you
Cheers
I think they will burn all unsold token. this is normal in ICO. but still waiting dev confirm this I think in this ICO will sell all the tokens, as we see how much activity in this topic, and the news is very good! the project is really wonderful and useful! accounting is the most important component of any business They won't burn unsold tokens! They will go the reserve that will be used to develop partnerships for the ecosystem. Usually i quiver with fear at the idea of a company retaining unsold coins post ICO but something about PAYPIE makes me secure that they will do right by their investors. I always advice that you research before investment and never trust anyone's post but in the rare occasion, you choose to ignore my advice, just know that this is one of my current top ICO choice. |
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Every shop that handles payments in btc can easely add UTRUST, I mean why not? If you already accept payments in crypto, meaning you're somehow a crypto enthusiast, better integrate it with a platform offering buyer protection
The platform has to prove it's usefulness, reliability, security etc before any biz will feel comfortable routing their customer's payment info thru the platform. Earning such trust in the crypto space is not an easy feat. That's why i say it will take yrs of proving it's viability before we can start discussing partnerships. I think years is kinda harsh estimate, were not talking here about ebay or amazon, we are talking about smaller ecommerce sites in the beginning and they are usually not that picky and provide an excellent testing platforms for the start. Even if it doesn't take yr for smaller ecommerce sites, it will still take awhile cos Utrust till has to prove that their platform can provide the security/reliability needed to encourage the routing of customers payment details thru it. |
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If gatcoin has just only a big brand as partner, the value of the project will reach the moon. Imagine whoopercoin for Burger King managed by gatcoin, the value of that kind of use is incredible.
I think Whoopercoin for Burger King can not be managed by Gatcoin, because it is based on Waves platform, and Gatcoin on Eth. Waves makes it very easy for merchants to create their own tokens for consumers and it costs them only 1 Wave. So Gatcoin should act fast so that they didn't follow Burger King I think just focus on small restaurant, spa, shop, coffee is better. They are just small company so they will not make their own blockchain token. so gatcoin platform is better for them agree with you, project gatcoin platform is better for them, because such small companies will not create their own currency, it's easier to use something that is proven and reliable! Well ERC- 20 token is proven and reliable and takes less than 30 minutes to create, even for a tech newbie. Actually, GATcoin is an ERC-20 token. So........ right. Mindless shilling! |
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30% bonus granted to all subscribers registered for the pre-sale subject to a final investment between 1x and 1.5x Min amount from the ETH address indicated. Does that clearly means that the 30% off will be for those investing at least 10 ETH ? Correct me if I'm wrong please before going further. If investing less than those 10 ETH, does that mean i'll get 0% off ? Waiting for one clear answer from one of the Devs or the community manager(s). If you go by the dictation, then it's clearly 30% for those investing 10ETH or more. However, there have been many misleading info on the thread that am not 100% sure anymore. |
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UTRUST was reviewed by tokencounci yesterday and rated this
Project idea: 10/10
Token utility: 9/10
Partnership/ real world user 7/10 - (no partnership anounced, yet useful token and idea
overall media buzz 9/10
coomunication chanel and oponness 10/10
TOTAL SCORE 9/10
huge!
thank for share a review website like this. still find some website have ICO review. hacked.com is too expensive That shouldn't be hard, by just googling ico reviews there's a ton of results and sites doing that. Some of those ico listing sites do it automatically anyway. Exactly, getting a good review from some random site is nothing. I even own one of those ICO review sites. So let's just say their opinions don't mean nothing. A careful and diligent research is the best way to go about ensuring your interest. |
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am going to keep bumping this post till i recieve a clear and concise answer that makes sense rather than constant shills to bury the post but Again, most companies might not be blockchain savvy yet but a quick Google search on creating ERC token will show the steps involved and it's not that complicated. It takes less than 30 mins to create one. I have created several tokens and am not that technically inclined, so it would makes sense that companies actually interested in blockchain will easily learn the process.
So, my question is how does GATCOIN plan to stay viable 6mths - 1yr down the line as most individuals find out that solidarity is not rocket science and most of this scripts can be easily created or emulated. Why will companies subcontract GATCOIN ( a company using ERC 20) to create a token for them when it takes less than 30 mins to create your own ERC 20 token.
Companies like embermine offer identical service and actually have three airdrops currently occuring and yet they having a tough time gaining foothold in the market cos the service is nothing unique. So how does GATCOIN intend to make this a viable coin for long term holders?
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They have made it known that they intend to invest in spain and way down the line expand to other countries. So the speculation on the market they intend to pursue has already been answered.
We are jus disscusing profitable real estate business countrys and not speculating about REAL plans  Maybe i disagree with their decision but who i am to argue ? Actually, the first post that everyone is responding to clearly states "So if anyone has read the update, Asia is on the list to invest" so they are speculating on REAL plans. Anyway, it's a Spain based company, so it makes sense to start of with what they know |
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