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10381  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 14, 2015, 10:30:42 PM
I get pretty tired of all the conspiracy theories

most are totally debunked here http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/

i do however believe that the terrorists were allowed to proceed as far as they did because they had been funded by US covert programs. 911 just happened to be what they call "blowback" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28intelligence%29

First, let me remind that whoever did it, it was not done by only one person. It was done by many people working together. The point? It definitely was a conspiracy. The kind of conspiracy? A kind where many people worked together, whoever they were.

If the terrorists were allowed to proceed as far as they were, then the conspiracy was known about, and included those knew about it and allowed it to proceed.

----------

James Corbett - 9/11 Trillions....
Corbett's a nut case.  And your logic isn't.  Some cops suspect a bank robbery on Saturday.  But where?  Who?  Which Saturday?

According to you, the cops "allowed it to happen."

Ridiculous.

Your logic is totally flawed in the fact that there are many cases where police and other government officials have been proven to have had a hand in certain kinds of robberies.

The fact that Corbett is suggesting a good scenario where 9/11 could have been an inside job, but you won't even acknowledge that fact that it might have been an inside job, shows that you are not only a hypocrite in the things you say, but if you aren't the nut case that you are accusing Corbett of being, then you are a covert agent for the government, trying to make sure the official story is accepted no matter what.

Smiley
Well, make up your mind.  First you claimed that A->B which has to lead -> C.

Now you claim that in many cases, A->B -> C.

And then we've got the Grand Finale.

"Either Agree With ME, Or You Are A Covert Agent For The Gubbermint."

That's stupider than a bucket of rocks.

Well, expressing things the way you did immediately above, simply means that the government has the right guy for the job... a sheeple who is dumb enough that he will never realize the truth. So, he just goes on blabbing and spouting the government rhetoric, most of the time not even understanding what he is going on about.

Smiley
Tell you what.

You either agree with me, or you are a Covert Agent for A Different Gubbermint.
10382  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: September 14, 2015, 10:27:52 PM



France: Topless Femen dragged off stage at Muslim conference *EXPLICIT*


Two Femen activists half-naked and with messages written on their bodies jumped on the stage and disrupted a speech of two imams during the Muslim Salon in Pontoise, Saturday.




-------------------------------------------
I have never seen so many men kicking a half naked woman while on the floor. She was like a soccer ball...




The really sad part is that most of those men who have the Internet will go off and look at pictures of naked women and think nothing of it.

The other sad part is, that even though the women may have been crippled for life by their beating, women won't learn. They'll just do it again sometime.

Smiley
However, the men who cruelly beat her are recorded doing so.  I hope she brings charges against them.

They had every right to physically remove her from the stage, and no right to show her their true inner psychos.
10383  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: September 14, 2015, 08:30:34 PM
May I humbly suggest, though that you enlist the aid of this Atheist when you encounter and catch your Jinn.  I will instruct you properly in how to deal with creatures from other dimensions, while the ancient texts will not.

For example, your Jinn may know tomorrow, and for a price he may tell us secrets of tomorrow.  What price?  You never know unless you ask.  A Jinn may never have heard of Paint.  Just think, a simple can of spray paint may buy you the secret to tomorrow's lottery.
I will definitely PM you if I find one. I'm not sure what they look like, so I may just be offering a can of paint to an angry squirrel with mange. But who knows, maybe squirrels can predict the future also? As a test i will ask it the price of BTC next week and if it says $20 or $2000 I will know he's B.S.ing me.   
Just show him all the uses of a can of paint.  First it will make his invisible self visible.  And then if you combine it with a match you got a flame thrower.

How can A Jinn do without something like that?
10384  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: September 14, 2015, 07:40:11 PM
James 1:27:
Quote
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Smiley
That is  religion representing our best impulses.  Smiley
Acts of kindness and love may be less mentioned these days, but they are as more a part of religions than hate. Christianity and Islam have long traditions of helping the less fortunate. Christians who can do so are supposed to give 10% of their money via the system called "Tithing".  In Islam "Zakat" is one of the 5 pillars of Islam that all Muslims must uphold. Like Tithing, Zakat is a system to redistribute wealth via religious giving.  


In the USA, tithing 10% is taught by the fundamentalist, and not the mainstream denominations.  Some may disagree, but I have seen tithing as having been negatively viewed, I believe as the result of it's promotion by the TV evangelist "Mega Churches," with their numerous scandals.
I'm sure some of them want 90%.  "Tithe" does mean 1/10. But yes, few do give 10%.
Some of them do get 90%.  Some of them get 100%, like on the death of a lonely rich widow.  It's disgusting.  Again, some people may disagree.  I tend to see the evil sides of those operations more than what good they may do.  If any.  Fuck em.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9PFxRw8rok
10385  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: September 14, 2015, 07:35:20 PM

Looking into the matter, I find an ocean of "ridiculous FATWAs."  Given this, I don't know any reason to assume the one in question is phony - it's easier to believe that it's real, but just another ridiculous FATWA.  Here are som others -


http://listverse.com/2010/02/25/top-10-bizarre-or-ridiculous-fatwas/

http://www.zemtv.com/2015/04/15/and-the-award-for-the-most-ridiculous-fatwa-goes-to/

http://theconservativecitizen.com/2012/01/02/al-arabiya-news-picks-the-most-ridiculous-fatwas-of-2011/

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-atrocious-and-ridiculous-fatwas-issued-to-date-in-any-country?share=1
Comedy gold! lol

Now i know if I catch a Jinn in the garden i can eat it.  Cheesy

I think of a fatwa like an opinion from a preacher. One might say "God hates fags" another might say "Gay people can marry in a church". Who is right is subject of debate.

May I humbly suggest, though that you enlist the aid of this Atheist when you encounter and catch your Jinn.  I will instruct you properly in how to deal with creatures from other dimensions, while the ancient texts will not.

For example, your Jinn may know tomorrow, and for a price he may tell us secrets of tomorrow.  What price?  You never know unless you ask.  A Jinn may never have heard of Paint.  Just think, a simple can of spray paint may buy you the secret to tomorrow's lottery.
10386  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 14, 2015, 06:52:07 PM
I get pretty tired of all the conspiracy theories

most are totally debunked here http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/

i do however believe that the terrorists were allowed to proceed as far as they did because they had been funded by US covert programs. 911 just happened to be what they call "blowback" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28intelligence%29

First, let me remind that whoever did it, it was not done by only one person. It was done by many people working together. The point? It definitely was a conspiracy. The kind of conspiracy? A kind where many people worked together, whoever they were.

If the terrorists were allowed to proceed as far as they were, then the conspiracy was known about, and included those knew about it and allowed it to proceed.

----------

James Corbett - 9/11 Trillions....
Corbett's a nut case.  And your logic isn't.  Some cops suspect a bank robbery on Saturday.  But where?  Who?  Which Saturday?

According to you, the cops "allowed it to happen."

Ridiculous.

Your logic is totally flawed in the fact that there are many cases where police and other government officials have been proven to have had a hand in certain kinds of robberies.

The fact that Corbett is suggesting a good scenario where 9/11 could have been an inside job, but you won't even acknowledge that fact that it might have been an inside job, shows that you are not only a hypocrite in the things you say, but if you aren't the nut case that you are accusing Corbett of being, then you are a covert agent for the government, trying to make sure the official story is accepted no matter what.

Smiley
Well, make up your mind.  First you claimed that A->B which has to lead -> C.

Now you claim that in many cases, A->B -> C.

And then we've got the Grand Finale.

"Either Agree With ME, Or You Are A Covert Agent For The Gubbermint."

That's stupider than a bucket of rocks.
10387  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: September 14, 2015, 06:47:14 PM
James 1:27:
Quote
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Smiley
That is  religion representing our best impulses.  Smiley
Acts of kindness and love may be less mentioned these days, but they are as more a part of religions than hate. Christianity and Islam have long traditions of helping the less fortunate. Christians who can do so are supposed to give 10% of their money via the system called "Tithing".  In Islam "Zakat" is one of the 5 pillars of Islam that all Muslims must uphold. Like Tithing, Zakat is a system to redistribute wealth via religious giving. 


In the USA, tithing 10% is taught by the fundamentalist, and not the mainstream denominations.  Some may disagree, but I have seen tithing as having been negatively viewed, I believe as the result of it's promotion by the TV evangelist "Mega Churches," with their numerous scandals.
10388  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: September 14, 2015, 06:44:55 PM
So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher". 

Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.   
So there is no way to authenticate that this is an actual Shiite cleric in London, say as opposed to a complete imposter?
I don't know? He is supposed in be in London, but all references that Google finds are related to this. In any case a fatwa is the opinion of someone who has had some religious training. But it is nothing like an official rule. Each cleric, be he a mullah, or imam or ulama; has strength based on how many followers agree with him. Because of this you get all sorts of crazy fatwas.

So I have no idea whether this is a hoax or not, however there are a lot of red flags:

1. Unknown anonymous cleric 
2. Likely fake name 
3. *First appearing on a propaganda website
4. Shocking and hard to believe statement


*Here a just a few MEMRI board members and board advisers.

Oliver "Buck" Revell: Chairman; Former FBI Executive Assistant Director
Donald Rumsfeld, Former US Secretary of Defense
James Woolsey, Former Director of Central Intelligence Agency
John Ashcroft, Former US Attorney General
Paul Bremer, former Director of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance in Iraq
Deborah Lipstadt, Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University.
Natan Sharanksy, former Israeli Minister for Jerusalem and Diaspora Affairs

Looking into the matter, I find an ocean of "ridiculous FATWAs."  Given this, I don't know any reason to assume the one in question is phony - it's easier to believe that it's real, but just another ridiculous FATWA.  Here are som others -


http://listverse.com/2010/02/25/top-10-bizarre-or-ridiculous-fatwas/

http://www.zemtv.com/2015/04/15/and-the-award-for-the-most-ridiculous-fatwa-goes-to/

http://theconservativecitizen.com/2012/01/02/al-arabiya-news-picks-the-most-ridiculous-fatwas-of-2011/

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-atrocious-and-ridiculous-fatwas-issued-to-date-in-any-country?share=1
10389  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 14, 2015, 04:27:23 PM
I get pretty tired of all the conspiracy theories

most are totally debunked here http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/

i do however believe that the terrorists were allowed to proceed as far as they did because they had been funded by US covert programs. 911 just happened to be what they call "blowback" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28intelligence%29

First, let me remind that whoever did it, it was not done by only one person. It was done by many people working together. The point? It definitely was a conspiracy. The kind of conspiracy? A kind where many people worked together, whoever they were.

If the terrorists were allowed to proceed as far as they were, then the conspiracy was known about, and included those knew about it and allowed it to proceed.

----------

James Corbett - 9/11 Trillions....
Corbett's a nut case.  And your logic isn't.  Some cops suspect a bank robbery on Saturday.  But where?  Who?  Which Saturday?

According to you, the cops "allowed it to happen."

Ridiculous.
10390  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: September 14, 2015, 04:25:23 PM
So, the short version is some anonymous guy may have said this crazy thing. Maybe that happened. In Islam there are no priests and anyone can study the Koran then issue an opinion. But there is a lot wrong with this starting with the fake name, which translates into something like the "bloody butcher". 

Nothing is binding about this supposed position. Kinda like a deacon at a local church saying Jesus does not want race mixing. Sure the deacon could say that, but it will not be believed or adopted by the parishioners.   
So there is no way to authenticate that this is an actual Shiite cleric in London, say as opposed to a complete imposter?

10391  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: September 14, 2015, 02:09:13 PM
First you must understand that fatwa is the opinion of scholar it may or may not necessarily be conformed with religious rulings.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa
This is not
necessarily a formal position since
most Muslims argue that anyone
trained in Islamic law may give an
opinion (fatwā) on its teachings. .....

Well, you sure got some crazy shit being done in the name of Islam.

By the way, we are in complete agreement in the ridiculousness of this man's ideas.  But what's important to note is the extreme to which he will go to advocate violence.

You've argued against his advocacy of rigging Intestine Bombs, but not against his advocacy of violent jihad, or his  basic advocacy of terrorism.

I think this is wrong and is the fundamental issue.
10392  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 87 dead after crane collapses at world’s holiest mosque in Mecca on: September 14, 2015, 01:53:58 PM
Deep condolence to the victims.
May the souls rest in peace.. Sad
And the families are given strength..
Hope this sad accident won't affect people's faith in performing Hajj and Saudi goverment learn something valuable from this and be more careful..

Cranes stand in every city, and it is almost completely unheard of that one will collapse.
10393  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: September 14, 2015, 01:50:48 PM
Ignorance. They know nothing about it and that allows people to fill the gaps in their knowledge with whatever bias they have. It's also true that all people hear about are Islamic terrorists. Obviously the jihadists represent a very small number of Muslims.

I agree with you. This is so true. People are usually unaware and in oblivion of what is going on. Most people are prejudicial and just assume what the whole community will be like by hearing about nonsense stereotypes which is really sad . The solution to this probblem is by education and respect and appreciation of other people's principles and cultures.
Which is EXACTLY why I am asking simple, direct questions.

Was Arafat a Muslim?
Are you complaining a religion based on a single person ?
what are you even saying ? Many People just dont follow religion ,its that simple.
religion is like a community ,if they like it they join it ..(there can be bad people in the community ?)

I would agree with that.  But a few pages back in this thread, Muslims were arguing that such persons as "Islamic terrorists" were not Islamic and were not Muslim.
10394  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wahhibi Fatwa Permits Sodomy For Jihad on: September 13, 2015, 11:53:00 PM
.

Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.


Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?






These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?




Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?



How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad
It is fake
If this is so, please provide evidence.
You can get anyone with a beard to say anything buy it doesn't become Islamic unless it is mentioned in scriptures.
The evidence is that it is beyond any logic.Why would someone need to widen their anus to hide the explosives? How much can one hide in it? That is ridiculous

1.  The Shiite cleric in the video resides in London.
2.  We have a video of his talk in which he says the things alleged.
3.   Here is a part of his talk.

“In principle, sodomy is forbidden. However, Jihad is more important. It is the pinnacle of Islam. If sodomy is the only way to reach this pinnacle of Islam, then there is no harm in it. The rule is that necessity makes the forbidden permissible. Something that is required in order to perform a duty becomes a duty in and of itself. No duty takes precedence over Jihad. Therefore, you must be sodomized… After you have been sodomized, you must ask Allah for forgiveness. Know, my son, that Allah resurrects the mujahideen on Judgment Day on the basis of their intentions. Allah willing, your intention is to support Islam. May Allah include you among those who heed His call.”



Please provide evidence to support your assertion that "it is fake."  Otherwise your comments cannot be seriously considered.

As for the Cleric's FATWA being ridiculous, I don't disagree with you.  However, some take him seriously.  And I am not a Muslim, I am an atheist.  So I think many things Islamic Clerics say are ridiculous.  This is no different.  But obviously some people believe things Islamic Clerics say and take them seriously.  For example...


This  fatwa led a man a while ago to carry out a bombing attack against then Interior Minister Naif bin Abd Al-Aziz [sic]….”


http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/tag/abdallah-al-khilaf/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

Actually let me revise my statement.  I view the Cleric involved as pure evil.  Not as ridiculous. 
10395  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Al Qaeda Leader Declares War on ISIS on: September 13, 2015, 11:01:24 PM
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. ....
Not in this case.
10396  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 13, 2015, 10:59:03 PM
Many articles on the internet say that Israel and Mossad did it. So i have a question: Why US army doesnt attack to Israel?

Even I can create a blog and then post an article claiming that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by North Koreans and masterminded by Kim Jong Il, a few months before his death. Anyone can post anything in the internet. But the most important thing is that the evidence must be presented before someone posts his new conspiracy theory.

There is more than just "a blog" indicating that at least one part of 911 was being monitored by people who considered themselves to be working "in Israel's interest"......

SO WHAT?  The US Government and Israel exchange information.  Both knew that some kind of airplane attack by suicide was planned but they did not know where.

"Monitored" is different that "causing."

Let's get in the real world, okay?
10397  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wahhibi Fatwa Permits Sodomy For Jihad on: September 13, 2015, 10:56:42 PM
.

Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.


Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?






These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?




Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?



How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad
It is fake
If this is so, please provide evidence.
10398  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: September 13, 2015, 06:55:20 PM



EPA Chief McCarthy blames Boston’s ‘worst winter ever’ on global warming – Suggests EPA regs will prevent future massive snowfalls






ADMINISTRATOR MCCARTHY: “So one of the new strategic priorities is climate change mitigation and adaptation, and it’s a good thing. It’s a long time coming, and we are very excited about it. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but I’m most importantly excited about it because this city just a short time ago was buried in snow for far too long. It was like the worst winter ever. So, you have to help me. We have to get busy on climate change because if it gets any worse our cars will be buried for months on end, and our subway system will never work, and I’ll have to hang out with my adult children far too often and for far too long in confined spaces. So, there is a reason we need to move forward.”


http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/09/09/epa-chief-mccarthy-blames-bostons-worst-winter-ever-on-global-warming/





I think it would be totally cool for propagandists such as McCarthy to enlist Hollywood in showing the Glory of the Government's Efforts to Stop Global Warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4H5tjx2Zpg


Those movies are proof the Jooooos are responsible for GlobalWarmingClimateChange for at least 4000 years...

 Wink



Hey.  They moved the oceans then, they are moving the oceans now.  Irrefutable.
10399  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wahhibi Fatwa Permits Sodomy For Jihad on: September 13, 2015, 06:54:16 PM
.

Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.


Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?






These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?




Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?



How would the Holy Cleric who issued the Fatwa know such things?


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad
10400  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: September 13, 2015, 06:52:22 PM
I can't find any politician worth voting for, and Trump is certainly not one of them. This is just another "big persona" that does viral things, just a joke of a guy wanting fame because he already got enough money. So he'll do is fair share of fucking around and doing" Non politically correct "shit to entertain the masses, then retire with his new found fame and keep enjoying his millions. This idiot isn't capable of solving shit or expressing any creative thoughts.
Bolded is not true.  Trump is not a politician but a businessman.

You pretty much have to be a politician to not be capable of solving shit.
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