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10421  Other / Politics & Society / Re: OLDEST KORAN ‘DESTABILISES’ ISLAMIC HISTORY, SCIENTISTS SAY IT PRE-DATES MOHAMED on: September 08, 2015, 02:52:34 AM
I have never seen an Islamic cleric or official formally condemn terrorism conducted in the name of Islam (and I fully admit I've not seen everything!)
Then you better watch this
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtgGDq7tbwk
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_SbMyy4dJNc
Sorry I am posting from mobile so its YouTube mobile version links

And also read this
http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

My impression from the Muslims posting here is that they are universally opposed to Isis, and take it very seriously.  I am certain their clerics have the same opinion.
Majority of them has the same opinion unfortunately only few who supports get all the media attention
True, and a lot of them are silent, and most of them consider hating Israel perfectly fine, usually along with the Great Satan.
They are not silent,they dont have proper platform to air their views.Israel is a geo-political issue for many muslims it has nothing to do with Islam
Sure.  And Arafat wasn't a Muslim.
10422  Other / Politics & Society / Re: OLDEST KORAN ‘DESTABILISES’ ISLAMIC HISTORY, SCIENTISTS SAY IT PRE-DATES MOHAMED on: September 07, 2015, 10:43:03 PM
I have never seen an Islamic cleric or official formally condemn terrorism conducted in the name of Islam (and I fully admit I've not seen everything!)
Then you better watch this
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtgGDq7tbwk
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_SbMyy4dJNc
Sorry I am posting from mobile so its YouTube mobile version links

And also read this
http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

My impression from the Muslims posting here is that they are universally opposed to Isis, and take it very seriously.  I am certain their clerics have the same opinion.
Majority of them has the same opinion unfortunately only few who supports get all the media attention
True, and a lot of them are silent, and most of them consider hating Israel perfectly fine, usually along with the Great Satan.
10423  Other / Politics & Society / Re: OLDEST KORAN ‘DESTABILISES’ ISLAMIC HISTORY, SCIENTISTS SAY IT PRE-DATES MOHAMED on: September 07, 2015, 09:03:35 PM
I have never seen an Islamic cleric or official formally condemn terrorism conducted in the name of Islam (and I fully admit I've not seen everything!)
Then you better watch this
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtgGDq7tbwk
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_SbMyy4dJNc
Sorry I am posting from mobile so its YouTube mobile version links

And also read this
http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

My impression from the Muslims posting here is that they are universally opposed to Isis, and take it very seriously.  I am certain their clerics have the same opinion.
10424  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MARS one on 2025 on: September 07, 2015, 09:00:49 PM
....

....
What to do when your employer sends YOUR W-2 to the IRS? Send a letter to your employer asking him to change your income or gross income on an amended W-2 to $0.00, and send that to the IRS in place of the original. When he doesn't, use the Form 4852 to do it yourself (set your income or gross income reported to $0.00), then file your 1040 with $0.00 income earned, and get all your withheld money, including FICA (Social Security tax), back from the IRS. Look at all the folks who got their money back using this method - http://www.losthorizons.com/BulletinBoard.htm.

Your employer's original W-2 that he sends in is hearsay. Rebut the hearsay with your own hearsay, and get all your money back.

This is exactly the thing that government attacks everyone for, hearsay. There is virtually nothing else that government or law enforcement attacks anyone for, especially when there is no harm or damage of property done. It is all hearsay. And when you don't rebut it properly in court, you lose.

Learn about Karl Lentz now, before government comes after you for the hearsay of breathing incorrectly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

Maybe we will start to get to an utopia, when enough people start to wake up.

Smiley
Sounds like plain old lying to me.

Thanks but I'll pass, and keep on paying what's due when it's due.
10425  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MARS one on 2025 on: September 07, 2015, 05:45:55 PM
It's sad really, we could all be flying around in space if it weren't for humanity being a dumbass, fighting each other, destroying their cradle (Earth)...



Not could - would.

The dark ages lasted for about 700 years (roughly the 6th to 13th centuries) where there was no scientific research and everyone believed in a god.

We would be colonizing the nearest stars by now if the dark ages hadn't existed.

That could be a possibility. Imagine how technology evolved rapidly since the invention of steam engines in the 1600s? In just a span of 400 + years, here we are now, having the modern tech laid before us. Only if those people back then didn't delay scientific advancements, imagine what kind of technology would we have right now? We could have set up colonies in different star systems by now if not because of those close-minded religious dudes believing that science is the work of demons and is only a way to distance Man from God.

I am not certain this is true.  The dark ages may have been a necessary prelude to the explosion of science, knowledge and philosophy we call the Renaissance.  Something like night and day, winter and summer.  Maybe.

And it's certainly not accurate to suggest that pre-microscope, pre-telescope, people were close minded.  They just couldn't SEE THINGS.  Were you or I there now, we would be certain of "Rational and Logical Thinking" which led to conclusions that are now thought of as ridiculous.

Back to the subject, note the phrase "Colonizing Mars" is a hugely different thing than saying "Making one trip to Mars."  There's nothing wrong with considering 250 years as a reasonable timeframe for "Colonizing Mars."  And with the highly productive robotic rovers, we are doing a great job towards advancing such goals.  But much very basic stuff remains to be understood.

Further and prime most, I suggest that when this exploration and colonization happens, they will be using Bitcoin.






Not only will they be using Bitcoin (or what bitcoin develops into with the advent to household, quantum computers), but government as we know it will be a thing of the past. There won't be any IRS. There won't be any police-brutality-plague. People will rule themselves under common law, based on if they harm or injure anybody.

Probably, there won't be any petrodollar, business people who rule the world. Things will be free and just. Mars missions will be based on individuals doing thier thing in the Mars program, based on volunteer giving to a company that doesn't have any government red tape, and that operates freely for those who donate. In fact, it will be the people who donate that will be making the decisions... based on real value donations, rather than on some fake fiat donations of a debt system that is bank controlled.

Courts will only be there to help sort out issues between people. Corporate veils will be bypassed in man to man court issues... even corporate veils regarding the defrauding scheme of the current Mars program being talked about in this thread.

There will be real value for value in the Mars program.

Smiley

Why, a verfitable UTOPIA awaits us...only it must battle for supremacy with the Christian utopia, the Islam utopia, the Communist utopia and hundreds of others.

Why should I believe in YOURS?

This is all backwards.  You should believe in MINE.  MINE is BESTEST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSGuBNopzBw

And you can TRUST ME.  Course right now, things be looking pretty bad and getting badder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meCZ5hWNRFU

And we ain't gonna colonize that Mars until we knows how to make fiddles thar, out of that dirt or something.
10426  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MARS one on 2025 on: September 07, 2015, 04:35:41 PM
It's sad really, we could all be flying around in space if it weren't for humanity being a dumbass, fighting each other, destroying their cradle (Earth)...



Not could - would.

The dark ages lasted for about 700 years (roughly the 6th to 13th centuries) where there was no scientific research and everyone believed in a god.

We would be colonizing the nearest stars by now if the dark ages hadn't existed.

That could be a possibility. Imagine how technology evolved rapidly since the invention of steam engines in the 1600s? In just a span of 400 + years, here we are now, having the modern tech laid before us. Only if those people back then didn't delay scientific advancements, imagine what kind of technology would we have right now? We could have set up colonies in different star systems by now if not because of those close-minded religious dudes believing that science is the work of demons and is only a way to distance Man from God.

I am not certain this is true.  The dark ages may have been a necessary prelude to the explosion of science, knowledge and philosophy we call the Renaissance.  Something like night and day, winter and summer.  Maybe.

And it's certainly not accurate to suggest that pre-microscope, pre-telescope, people were close minded.  They just couldn't SEE THINGS.  Were you or I there now, we would be certain of "Rational and Logical Thinking" which led to conclusions that are now thought of as ridiculous.

Back to the subject, note the phrase "Colonizing Mars" is a hugely different thing than saying "Making one trip to Mars."  There's nothing wrong with considering 250 years as a reasonable timeframe for "Colonizing Mars."  And with the highly productive robotic rovers, we are doing a great job towards advancing such goals.  But much very basic stuff remains to be understood.

Further and prime most, I suggest that when this exploration and colonization happens, they will be using Bitcoin.




10427  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Migration crisis: Germany presses Europe into sharing refugees on: September 07, 2015, 01:08:16 AM
Refugees are women, children and elders.
These guys however are mostly men in "combat age".
And likely why they are fleeing is that if they stayed, the very next army passing through would enlist them at the point of a gun.   That's the way it has always been throughout history.

You can't "unconvert" soldiers! The ones that would move to another army are cowards, and those you've no use to.
These guys are of a "certain" age they already enlisted and come with a very specific target, way too specific. You don't see them to want to go anywhere other than UK and Germany, this denotes a background strategy.
No place in History ever got this sort of "refugees", or at least none ever [was stupid enough to] call this sort of people "refugees".

Well, we can disagree.  I'm thinking in terms of

The Forgotten Soldier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Sajer

It's not complicated.   An army moves through an area, all the men of the right age bracket are either shot, or enlisted.

The focus on certain destinations is interesting.  By the way, they don't have to be willing terrorists.

They may just receive a message.  "Here's what you will do.  Or here's what we'll do to your sisters."
10428  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MARS one on 2025 on: September 07, 2015, 12:48:39 AM
I think that the current plan is to generate the electricity from solar energy, using panels. Operating a nuclear power plant in Mars will be next to impossible, as doing so will require huge quantities of coolants and other substances, which are not readily available on the planet.

I would think the vacuum of space (or a low density atmosphere) would be the ultimate coolant.

Heat transfer occurs by way of conduction, convection, or radiation.  In the absence of much gas, convection isn't possible, and it is the most efficient way to move heat.  As an example, spacecraft have trouble getting rid of heat.  The Apollo lunar rovers IIRC used paraffin blocks to absorb heat in a phase change method.   Difficult problem, getting rid of heat.

Yes, I thought about this last night as I was falling asleep and you are correct.  You would need close to absolute zero and be in a thick gas - which tend to contradict each other.

Regardless, I am certain we are going to Mars.   It isn't really important whether it is in 25 years or 250 years.  Man has always found it to be a mysterious and intriguing place, and it must have a place in our future.

The Moon may be for our robots only, and Mars is certainly not Tahiti. 

But we'll be there.
10429  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Migration crisis: Germany presses Europe into sharing refugees on: September 06, 2015, 11:35:08 PM
Refugees are women, children and elders.
These guys however are mostly men in "combat age".
And likely why they are fleeing is that if they stayed, the very next army passing through would enlist them at the point of a gun.   That's the way it has always been throughout history.
10430  Other / Politics & Society / Re: OLDEST KORAN ‘DESTABILISES’ ISLAMIC HISTORY, SCIENTISTS SAY IT PRE-DATES MOHAMED on: September 06, 2015, 04:36:18 PM
It's not like reason and evidence matters when you talk about religions. So i doubt it will "destabilize" anything.

There are plenty of scientific proofs & evidences that dismiss the bible yet still 90% of western people are christians.

That's because those proofs and evidences do not "dismiss the bible."  They dismiss certain alleged miracles and such. 

The vast majority of Christians I know either actively do not believe in miracles or are highly skeptical about all or some of them.  They may, however, believe in "a Creator."  That's the ultimate "irrefutable hypothesis," which is why science cannot "refute it."

Rather unique among alleged religious miracles is the Koran's assertion that Mohammed "split the Moon."  Today we have imaged the lunar surface, the entire thing is available in the public domain.  The Moon was not split.

As you note, some people will believe even against proof and evidences, in miracles.   
10431  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: September 06, 2015, 04:28:01 PM
^^^^ Don't know how reliable this particular poll is. But it is great news for sure. There is a chance that a 3rd World War could be avoided (or at least delayed) if the Pinocchibitch is kept out of office. Still it needs to be seen whether Trump will be able to secure the GOP nomination. Ben Carson is his main rival right now.


The Silent Majority speaks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM8wluBXH3Y



Wow, that's really great.  Those are the real people.

The other day I was thinking about this idiotic assertion of "Trump being racist."  Where I live, Texas, Hispanics have been here for 500 years.  They're not Mexican, they are American.  They don't need people in Washington thinking for them - people that usually don't understand things very well.

You know what?  If you must have a preconceived and dogmatic partisian view, you likely don't understand things very well. 

You don't have to.

You've already been told what to think.

Is that what we want?
10432  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Migration crisis: Germany presses Europe into sharing refugees on: September 06, 2015, 12:24:22 PM
As I said in my previous post it's not only the Hungarians. The refugees landed in many other countries like Greece and didn't want to stay there.
They are after the benefits and want to settle in countries that simply pay you for having children. Germany for instance pays somewhere around 200€ for every child you have, even if you never had a job and can't say a word in German.

Wow.. in this case, each of the Syrian and Afghan refugees should produce a dozen children each and claim the welfare payments. € 2,400 per month is more than enough to have a good life in Germany. BTW.... I have heard that the child benefit payments in the United Kingdom are even higher than that in Germany.

It seems to me that this is a very simplified view of the cause of the immigration crisis in Europe.
The vast majority of these people are fleeing because of war and death in their countries.
I don't think they want to go to Germany because they will get a lot of money if they have more children.
What they want is primarily safety of their families, the opportunity to live normally again, find a job and earn for themselves and others.
Are not they people like us? Are they don't deserve a chance for a new life, away from the dangers of war and insecurity in their own country?
This is an odd statement, really.  

Do they "deserve" this regardless of the laws of the countries they invade, as a superior moral right?

Is this statement true when said by a resident of Country A, about the behavior of Country B, when A does not accept them?  "But B should take them..."

10433  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MARS one on 2025 on: September 06, 2015, 12:15:59 PM
I think that the current plan is to generate the electricity from solar energy, using panels. Operating a nuclear power plant in Mars will be next to impossible, as doing so will require huge quantities of coolants and other substances, which are not readily available on the planet.

I would think the vacuum of space (or a low density atmosphere) would be the ultimate coolant.

Heat transfer occurs by way of conduction, convection, or radiation.  In the absence of much gas, convection isn't possible, and it is the most efficient way to move heat.  As an example, spacecraft have trouble getting rid of heat.  The Apollo lunar rovers IIRC used paraffin blocks to absorb heat in a phase change method.   Difficult problem, getting rid of heat.

Small reactors certainly could be taken to Mars.  Solar panels would be a weak source of power, suitable for small rovers but not humans.  A rover can time it's activities to match the sun, humans need life support, and power for it, around the clock.

Landis's paper is the authoritative reference.  NASA/TM-2004-213367, "Mars Solar Power."
10434  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MARS one on 2025 on: September 06, 2015, 02:56:20 AM
We need to get 20.95% (O2) at last to live.

We don't need anywhere near that amount of O2 in the atmosphere to breath.  In fact, there is a substantial amount of oxygen in the air we breathe out.
True.  But you need pressurization say to 1/2 Earth atmosphere.  That has to be a mix of gases - some O2, some CO2, Water vapor, and an inert gas filler, such as nitrogen or helium.  Basically that has to be created, and maintained.
10435  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 06, 2015, 01:15:32 AM
The second part of the following analysis has an interesting tie in with a possible threat to Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Ja-W5LWVk
From the comments, one that I agree with...


So he knew about it or not? You conspiracy guys are so divided on what actually happened its absurd. Love that this guy just makes absurd off the cuff remarks about an assassination attempt as if it's fact. You can't pick and choose contradicting statements from videos and present the whole as fact. At least form some cohesive theory before making claims.

10436  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MARS one on 2025 on: September 06, 2015, 01:13:00 AM
Sound great, the only problem is the oxygen...

As we know the Mars atmosphere have 95.97% carbon dioxide, that mean the human will need a way to get 02 from C02, or will need some great filters and bumps to filter the small percentage of O2 from the atmosphere (0.146% oxygen). We need to get 20.95% (O2) at last to live.

There isn't a problem with getting O2, there is a lot of it in the dirt, and in the water deposits. 

There are hundreds of problems and issues, but getting O2 is one that can easily be solved. 

When and if these guys state they intend to land a nuclear reactor on Mars for power for their teams, then I'd take them seriously.  Because otherwise they'll have difficulty showing where the power will come from to keep everyone at a livable temperature, and to do the needed chemical extractions such as for 02.
10437  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Call for Israel to accept more refugees on: September 06, 2015, 01:09:05 AM
Why would israel want muslim refugees?
Muslims are israels greatest security risk.

And tbh if israel could get away by destroying their neighbours they would do it without a second thought.

Israel is the 1960's USA of the middle east just without a ridiculous big army and ten thousands of nukes.

I agree in part about the muslim refugees.  But you'd think they could take Syrian Christian refugees.

Evidence?  I showed evidence, openly available, that Iran has this attitude.  You assert Israel has it, too.  Can you support that with facts?
10438  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Call for Israel to accept more refugees on: September 05, 2015, 04:55:36 PM
Spendulus, alright, we get it, Mr. JIDF agent.

Ignore israels crimes while spotlighting hate against the fake religious state, in order to defend it's existence...

I'll have a rational discussion with you once Israel returns the Golan to Syria, accepts all the Palestinians back to the heights, and quits using radical settlers to steal land  Wink

But the issue I addressed wasn't those you discuss.  It was a specific comment -

.... Israel ..... would flatten Palestine if they thought they could get away with it ...

Which is without basis, while the opposite, as I show, does.
10439  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Call for Israel to accept more refugees on: September 05, 2015, 03:37:17 PM
Although the statement "Flatten Palestine!" has NEVER been made by Israel or Jewish clerics (and hence rings completely false), statements such as ...

"Kill All The Jews"
"Destroy Isreal"

...are accepted and commonplace.  Let's take a look at just some of these statements in 2013.

It will be wrong to say that all the Jewish clerics are Angels and all the Muslim clerics are demons. Israeli Rabbis, such as the late Meir David Kahane has made disparaging remarks against the Palestinians on several occasions. Even recently, another Israeli Rabbi suggested killing any non-Jew, including children and babies, who pose a threat to Israel.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/israeli-rabbi-approves-murder-of-non-jews

Oh - so you set up the STRAW MAN ARGUMENT right in the open, then knock it down?

Bryant, you're a smart guy.  You can do better than that.
10440  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Call for Israel to accept more refugees on: September 05, 2015, 03:00:52 PM
If anyone's interested:

Quote
As one of the richest and most prosperous countries in the Middle East, Israel has a responsibility to do more to help those fleeing war. Israel risks damaging its international reputation by turning a blind eye to these desperate refugees.

Israel was founded by survivors of the Holocaust. The world turned a blind eye to the suffering of the Jewish people; we cannot do the same when others are in desperate need. We must honor the founding principles of Israel by welcoming all who are being persecuted, not matter their race, religion or country of origin.

https://www.change.org/p/benjamin-netanyahu-call-for-israel-to-accept-more-refugees

Apparently not many people are interested.  Only 75 have signed the petition.


When you sign this petition you sign the right for Israel to exist. What a conundrum for muslims.


 Wink





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg

Odd, isn't it?  Not one of these men look much like Haters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQQIEQh8pU0
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