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10461  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 03, 2015, 12:00:22 PM
Every crime is an "inside job". There are people who have some access or authority that they use to do something.

The question with 911 is "who are the inside people, those who abused some access or authority?"

Was it the Muslim hijackers who abused their access to commercial flights?

Was it Zios / Neoscum who abused their access to buildings and perhaps even "access" to Muslim hijackers?

Was it U.S. Militards who abused their access to numerous things?

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Or was it a bunch of scum sucking cancer fucks who had some influence on all of the above groups and carefully arranged for Afghanistan to resume production of a commodity that is largely controlled by the only people who have the ability to brainfuck each of the above groups into believing they are acting on some higher motive?


This is complete nonsense.

The thing to understand about 911 is not theories of how it might not have been Islamic terrorism that killed over 3,000 people, but how it was Islamic terrorism that killed over 3,000 people.

This helps one to understand the major threat to world peace today.
10462  Other / Politics & Society / Re: OLDEST KORAN ‘DESTABILISES’ ISLAMIC HISTORY, SCIENTISTS SAY IT PRE-DATES MOHAMED on: September 02, 2015, 05:10:40 PM
Of course I am not a muslim and maybe there are 1000's variations of the koran...?
There are probably thousands of variations of the Qur'an, but in accordance with Islamic beliefs there is only one true Qur'an. That is why there has been many disputes about whether or not a translated Qur'an is the true Qur'an.

Was that koran found a true koran or not?

I bet that will be hard to answer. kinda like which of these is the true Bible?
https://www.bible.com/versions
And this is only a partial list that does not include my choice, an ancient Aramaic version.
The bible differs from the Qur'an in many ways. The bible was written by people inspired by God, but the Qur'an is supposed to have been made by Allah himself, and sent down to Muhammad intact via the angel Gabriel.

Obviously the angel Gabriel may have been partying, sunning on the beach, and engaging in countless other fun activities for a century or two before getting around to doing the job he was sent down for.  You know he had a round trip ticket.  You just don't know the dates.
10463  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 02, 2015, 05:07:05 PM
When you put everything together that happened that day, there is no way that 9/11 could NOT be an inside job, at least in part. Probability is entirely against it.

In addition, some of the pure science of some of the things that happened may be entirely accurate. But when you add the way that the things happened, pure science doesn't apply.

Smiley

NO.

Science and math apply where ever they apply without qualifications.

You may not LIKE the fact that stastistics rules the behavior of a slot machine.  You may think it's a valient adventure, man against slot machine, and if you pick the right one - if you carefully watch it and size it up - your intuition will will.

It will not.  The machine operates on very simply principles and all the crap in your head does not change it one bit.

Perhaps you've simply been fooled by randomness?

http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/
10464  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate islam ? come, i have a simple cure for you brother :) on: September 02, 2015, 11:32:27 AM
So you do think that if somehow we make Muslims believe their religion is peaceful, they will become peaceful?
I hardly believe that... or did I misunderstand what you said?
Religious folks are the "old time" politicians, btw.
Apparently you misunderstood.

What I said was this.

I would like to hear one or several of the Muslims posting simply say.  "Yes, I have been lying about the nature of Islam in order to protect Islam and further it's interests, as is allowed by the Koran."

I am indicating such a position is, at least, honest.
10465  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 02, 2015, 11:30:23 AM

For whoever may be interested, here is the wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan

I don't see any cause and effect relationship.  Certainly, effects on opium are a SIDE EFFECT of the US war in Afganistan.

But to imply CAUSATION, you'd have to argue that Taliban leaders were not going to deal with the US demands they turn over Bin Laden.  That they were going to protect him, at the cost of the US invasion.



There is no way to show causation without identifying the characters involved but implying or "showing a likelihood of" causation depends on many factors which, in their entirety, do seem to suggest causation. Your specific example of one of the many is, as usual, horseshit though.

The Taliban are local hill people. They did not know where the U.S. was nor did they care. One day they hear the news that a 'guest' of theirs may have been involved in a crime in that faraway place "the United States". Their response was "Show us some evidence and if it is reasonable evidence we will deliver him". America's response to that offer was the invasion. In other words the invasion was going to happen no matter what the Taliban did.

You have to ask why there was such a priority to invade Afghanistan. Research the Taliban a bit. They are utterly harmless to other countries, including the U.S., even if they are a bit simple and untechnological. Do they kill adulterers? Sure. Don't commit adultery there, or don't get caught. Do they have the slightest interest in bombing any other country? They do not.
Okay, so you have now justified the actions of the Taliban in protecting their "Friend" which led to the invasion. 

Now you have no grounds for a conspiracy.
10466  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 02, 2015, 02:22:10 AM
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So, your mission is to orchestrate a false flag event, the aim of which is to increase the psychological fear of US (and world) citizens, to help get support for illegal wars and occupation of foreign countries, which will allow the US/The West to become richer and more powerful.

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You don't know what the motive for the attacks was yet.

A person could speculate that the motive was to increase the sale of aspirin in Mexico. In that case the 911 attacks were poorly constructed and a complete failure.

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You have 3 factors to think about, which follow in what I consider to be order of importance. (I realize there are more factors involved, but these 3 are the really important ones IMO)

A: Chance of getting caught
B: Amount of psychological impact
C: Cost



A: Others getting caught.
B: In the United States "Psychological impact" is not a factor. It's like the "fluffy factor" with pillows. More fluffy? Less fluffy? Who cares. Hard to measure.
C: O.P.M. Other peoples' money. If the 911 organizers were having to buy their own explosives etc out of pocket it would have been a smaller affair.

It's nice to have an academic formula to solve this sort of thing but it must apply.

In any crime first the context. A multibillion dollar business that has always been the domain of militaries and intelligence agencies, more than any other industry, except weapons.

The day before 911 the Taliban had been on track to eliminate opium cultivation. Almost immediately after 911 cultivation started again. It soon surpassed even the record highs of the previous decade.


For whoever may be interested, here is the wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan

I don't see any cause and effect relationship.  Certainly, effects on opium are a SIDE EFFECT of the US war in Afganistan.

But to imply CAUSATION, you'd have to argue that Taliban leaders were not going to deal with the US demands they turn over Bin Laden.  That they were going to protect him, at the cost of the US invasion.

10467  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate islam ? come, i have a simple cure for you brother :) on: September 02, 2015, 02:10:16 AM
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and so on, and so on... can you please cut the Taqqyia? Muhammad himself would resemble more of an....


Not just cutting out the Taqqyia, but stating that one was engaged in it would be worthy of respect.

We have enough liars with our politicians and truly don't need it from religious believers.
10468  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 01, 2015, 07:04:09 PM
I do find it interesting how prevalent "these inside job" theories are, yet we're at 34 pages and I haven't seen any logical theory that actually makes sense yet.

Here's a kind of thought experiment that I came up with, where you put yourself in the shoes of a person in charge of the hypothetical "inside job":

So, your mission is to orchestrate a false flag event, the aim of which is to increase the psychological fear of US (and world) citizens, to help get support for illegal wars and occupation of foreign countries, which will allow the US/The West to become richer and more powerful.

You have 3 factors to think about, which follow in what I consider to be order of importance. (I realize there are more factors involved, but these 3 are the really important ones IMO)

A: Chance of getting caught
B: Amount of psychological impact
C: Cost

So, the ideal false flag attack will score low on A and C, but highly on B.

What type of attack would you set up? Would it have any resemblance to 9/11?

Let's consider the classic hypothetical 9/11 false flag, with planes, explosive charges and a pentagon missile. Now, this event scores highly on B, but also scores incredibly highly on A and C.

If you score according to the 3 factors, then this type of complex attack makes no sense. By including explosive charges and missiles (posing as more planes), the orchestrator would be massively increasing the scores on A and C, without significantly increasing the score for B. It would make much more sense to simplify the plan, and just use planes.

I look forward to hearing your hypothetical false flag attacks!
Hello.  I started out asking for the same thing and debunked many varieties of such concepts.  We seem to be at a point now in this thread where various people consider there to have been "more behind it" than Muslim terrorists.  Instead, there are Muslim terrorists doing 9/11 and behind them is the US Government, and The Evil Jews.

While it is possible to debunk various concepts of "bringing the towers down" with physics and chemistry, assertions of additional entities "responsible" for the attacks falls into the general category of Irrefutable Hypotheses.
10469  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MARS one on 2025 on: September 01, 2015, 05:42:23 PM
Your repeated assertion of trivializing the cost by comparison with war is a logical fallacy, as well as off topic.  It is incorrect to assert that "we have the technology" to put a self supporting colony on Mars.  We do not.
Yes, comparing anything is a logical fallacy.  Roll Eyes People seem to use these words lightly around here these days (there is no contradiction). I was not talking about a fully self supported colony, I was talking about getting there (i.e. flying to Mars multiple times). Read:
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However, the problem isn't really the technology right now (we can get there)
Nice try though.

In the 1950s there were enthusiastic reports of how a space station could be put up and it would be self substaining, growing it's own food.  How far have we gotten toward that (apparently) simple goal?
How much has been invested to achieve that goal? Less and less money (e.g. NASA budget cuts). It seems simple, however it is not.
A lot has been invested in space biology experiments.

Saying "we can get there" is NOT the same as establishing a colony.

Check Zubrin, "Mars Direct."
10470  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate islam ? come, i have a simple cure for you brother :) on: September 01, 2015, 05:39:42 PM
jesus aproved this.

The Catholic conquest of the new world exterminated around 400 million natives, and forcibly converted the remainder of the population to Christianity. Many of the genocide perpetrators of that time are being revered as "Saints" now.
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None of my Indian friends would agree with your views on this subject.

Personally, I have difficulty considering Pizzaro as on a "Catholic Conquest."

Cortez, perhaps in part. 
10471  Other / Politics & Society / Re: OLDEST KORAN ‘DESTABILISES’ ISLAMIC HISTORY, SCIENTISTS SAY IT PRE-DATES MOHAMED on: September 01, 2015, 05:37:02 PM
I wonder what would have happened to the academics, had they made the discovery in the ISIS controlled part of Syria. Most probably, they would have been accused of blasphemy, and then stoned to death. I just hope that these researchers will be safe from any death threats and suicide attacks. However, I am worried, as England is the same country which has sent more than 1,000 recruits to the ISIS.
To this dispute all an atheist might do is comment...

"He who lives by moldy old books dies by moldy old books."
10472  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MARS one on 2025 on: September 01, 2015, 02:07:12 PM
Thanks a lot for the Schedule. I really wish them Best of Luck!!. I think NASA will definitely meet all the deadlines bez they have very talented people. Thanks
Your post is spam and off topic. This is not a NASA mission. Please read other replies before posting something.
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Mars One is a nonprofit organization based in the Netherlands that has proposed to land the first humans on Mars and establish a permanent human colony there by 2027. The private spaceflight project is led by Dutch entrepreneur Bas Lansdorp, who announced the Mars One project in May 2012.
It looks like their budget is only $7B which is peanuts compared to how much countries are wasting in random wars around the world.

Your repeated assertion of trivializing the cost by comparison with war is a logical fallacy, as well as off topic.  It is incorrect to assert that "we have the technology" to put a self supporting colony on Mars.  We do not.

In the 1950s there were enthusiastic reports of how a space station could be put up and it would be self substaining, growing it's own food.  How far have we gotten toward that (apparently) simple goal?
10473  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 01, 2015, 01:54:07 PM

What?  You dare bring actual facts into this discussion?

LOL...
10474  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate islam ? come, i have a simple cure for you brother :) on: September 01, 2015, 01:42:27 PM
In my childhood, I don't even know what is religion & what I am belongs to.
I had every religion friends with me. Some are my best friends. Education explained me the region thing.
In my childhood whenever there some bomb blasts or some bad thing happens, then my guardians used to say some bad people doing this.
I still don't want to categorize my friends in religion thing, But politics plays vital role to categorize them.
We can't blame religion for some lame people.
The only people do bad to humans or anything, is who don't believe in god or human being.

That's actually quite interesting.
10475  Other / Off-topic / Re: Knife or Gun. which would you choose on: August 31, 2015, 10:25:43 PM
I have been browsing on the internet about martial arts specializing in weapons like knife and other bladed weapon.(Kali Esckrima or other martial art using bladed weapon) but i can always set that there`s always a debate about it like. why would they learn martial arts if they can shoot from a distance(Gun or any Projectile weapon). What do you think?

This is an easy question.

You take the knife, and go through the field of enemies slaying them left and right.

Just don't try it with a knife against those with guns AND BULLETS.
10476  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate islam ? come, i have a simple cure for you brother :) on: August 31, 2015, 10:23:46 PM
Bah.  That old book has been changed around more times than you can count in an hour or two.

True. And each time it was a sin. For that matter the Bible is not even from Christianity. It was put together as a collection under Roman rule and is an official government document. We have lost most of the original Christian gospels when the Bible was made. Only books that fit with Roman sensibilities and law were allowed. These official books have also changed greatly from their original iterations.
Take for example the Sumerian story of Gilgamesh. God destroyed the world in a flood, one guy made an ark and filled it with animals to repopulate the planet. Sound familiar? It's the story that Noah and the ark is derived from. In other cases widely read Christian books were banned. The "Gospel according to Mary" was one such book. The Romans were completely against the idea of a women's role in religion. There must be priests and the priests must be men. It's the Roman way! They can't have a book in the Bible with lines like "But if the Savior made her worthy, who are you indeed to reject her? Surely the Savior knows her very well."    

P.S. If Lot can screw his daughters to increase the population then I should be able to repopulate the Earth with my sister. (This would be creepier if I had a sister  Cheesy )

One is inclined to answer with a quote from Shakespeare.

But they are all too nasty.

lol...YET the Bard is quoted too, chapter and verse.
10477  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate islam ? come, i have a simple cure for you brother :) on: August 31, 2015, 08:02:05 PM
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The problem is that puts some guys opinion superior to Gods infallible word. It makes me wonder what other things I could change. Could I have sex with my sister? Why not, Couldn't I just come up with some words that justify it. ....


Scenario.  The politicians of Earth finally did it, and the nukes went flying.  One hit the wrong stuff, and the resulting radiation half life on Earth is sixty years.  

The only survivors were 24 people who got off in a spaceship just in time.  Then there was a disease that killed off everyone on that ship except you and your sister.  

As far as you know, only you two are alive.

Does the race die out because you follow The Book, or do you "just make up some words that justify it?"

Although this is a made up scenario, you can see clearly that it overrides rules made up and put down in an old book and alleged to be "The Word of God."  

FAR MORE COMPLEX QUESTION.  One of the two left living wants to, the other absolutely refuses.
10478  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate islam ? come, i have a simple cure for you brother :) on: August 31, 2015, 07:49:47 PM
The problem is that puts some guys opinion superior to Gods infallible word. It makes me wonder what other things I could change. Could I have sex with my sister? Why not, Couldn't I just come up with some words that justify it. That is what has happened for many rules found in the Bible, like the one we are discussing.
I don't recall any passage in the Bible that allows any person to change the word of God. There is no ambiguity in the passage, women MUST cover their heads.

Then you didn't get through Revelation.

Revelation 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book

Why would He put it in if they couldn't?
I'm confused. That passage specifically says that you can not change any part of the Bible. If you add or subtract any part then God will punish you.  Which is my point. It is clearly a sin for a Christian woman to leave her head uncovered. If you see one, then you should hold her down and cut off her hair. That's God's rule, not mine.

Bah.  That old book has been changed around more times than you can count in an hour or two.



10479  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 31, 2015, 06:01:32 PM
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On immigration he's the only one calling for enforcing the current law and is getting better at drawing distinctions between people in the US illegally versus immigrants, which of course, everyone in the US is descended from.


Not really. Wink




Yes really.  They migrated across the Bering Strait!





You guys got that all wrong.  Our Indians migrated across the Bering Strait and are the original settlers of Russia and China.
10480  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 31, 2015, 02:07:53 PM
...most victims aren’t evil, but virtually all evil people think they are victims, and thus justify their violence.....

Gonna have to ponder that one...
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