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1081  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Legal Tender in Central African Republic on: September 15, 2023, 01:14:12 AM
Another thing in regards to position size, maybe it is the case that they are ONLY able to really put 1% to 5% of their countries investment portfolio into bitcoin kinds of building, and maybe their country is in such a disarray that they might not even be in a position to put more than 1% of their investment portfolio into bitcoin or bitcoin-related (bitcoin-focused) projects because they have to deal with getting their own house in order prior to being more aggressive in their bitcoin approach (so that they don't devolve into gambling and/or overdoing it), and so they need to assess their own situation in order to make sure that their position size does not end up contributing to their getting taken out of the bitcoin game (investment) because they had overdone it rather than being able to stick through the rough times, as you already pointed out, @slapper.

You have pointed out a reasonable factor that could have influenced the CAR government choice to discontinue Bitcoin usage. Additionally, It is possible that CAR government were unable to readjust their position of Bitcoin holding due to financial limitations. Additionally, the presence of inadequate infrastructure and lack of Bitcoin education also likely played substantial roles. Considering that only 10% of the country's population has internet access and relatively low level of social media engagement, a vital platform for spreading awareness about Bitcoin.

It is important to recognize that, despite the challenges, African nations represent most fertile grounds for Bitcoin initiation and advancement.

https://finserving.com/cryptocurrency/why-did-bitcoin-as-legal-tender-fail-in-central-african-republic
1082  Economy / Economics / Re: If the global economy collapses what's the first thing you do? on: September 14, 2023, 03:28:17 PM
If the global economy collapses then putting the money on bitcoin will be a best choice Because bitcoin is not same like fiat money. Since Bitcoin cannot be controlled by any country's government and its supply is limited, if there is a global economic problem, many people will jump on Bitcoin and because of this, the price of Bitcoin will increase even more. so then it would be a good idea to choose Bitcoin. It's not just bad times in the global economy that people are slowly becoming more attracted to Bitcoin.

Your advice to accumulate Bitcoin if the global economy collapses is a good idea, however it is important to recognize that the central banks all over the world have taken numerous proactive measures to avert any future economic meltdown like the one happened in 2008. As a result like-hood of similar crisis occurring again appears to be significantly reduced, although it can not be completely ruled out. In case such a scenario plays out, it can trigger extensive selling across all risky assets including Bitcoin. In such a situation, there would be an opportunity to accumulate Bitcoin to effectively lower average cost of our investment in Bitcoin, and make significant gains when market conditions eventually improve.
1083  Economy / Economics / Re: If the global economy collapses what's the first thing you do? on: September 14, 2023, 09:03:20 AM
Honestly if you have BTC congrats !!! We are heading  into a major economic shift and I feel like when the tides are turning like this there should be a conscious effort to land on the right side of that shift!!! Am I right? What should bitcoiners be doing right now to prepare for a potential global economic hardship other than the obvious which is to hodl and accumulate as much as you can...

It is true that many Bitcoin enthusiasts and investors believe in Bitcoin's role as hedge against fiat based currencies and economic uncertainties. While holding Bitcoin may prove good strategy to mitigate the impact of global economic meltdown should one occur in future. However, since inception of Bitcoin in 2009, there hasn't been a widespread global economic recession , therefore how Bitcoin reacts to such situation, it is yet to be seen. It is also possible that during the times of economic hardships people may choose to sell anything they have in their possession to buy food and healthcare services for their survival.
1084  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bullish Case for Bitcoin, reloaded. on: September 14, 2023, 03:38:57 AM
Yes, you're right. But bitcoin has an undeniable advantage - you can pay with bitcoin in almost any country without changing it for local currency. But still, because of the disadvantages you pointed out, bitcoin may eventually be replaced by some other cryptocurrency

It is correct that Bitcoin can be used for cross border transactions without the need of middleman, as well as serves as convenient method of payment without the hassle of exchanging to other local currencies. However, its widespread adoption as means of purchasing goods and services from any retailer remains an uphill battle due to various hurdles, such as regulatory complexities and need for technological advancement. It may take significant amount of time before these issues are completely resolved.
1085  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bullish Case for Bitcoin, reloaded. on: September 13, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
Is bitcoin ever in a bear market? If it goes to 10k, falls to 5k, goes to 20k, falls to 10k, goes to 60k, falls to 30k, and so on, Is there even a bear market? Someone could argue that these are simple corrections in one big bull market, since it keeps going higher, making higher highs and higher lows.
IMO there's a clear growth pattern that we're witnessing here.

I have to agree that at this moment I only see it as a store of value. There's not enough acceptance for me to be able to spend it on the things I need and I don't want to sell it on exchange, especially now when it's so undervalued.

The example you have provided in your post refers to extreme volatility in Bitcoin price, where Bitcoin price often falls to the extent of 80% from its all time high (ATH). However, in the long term, Bitcoin has consistently demonstrated outstanding performance. This reflects one of its core characteristics. In the financial terms, the concept of bear market refers to sustained decline in price of any trade-able asset, often 20% or more from its recent high.

I agree with your viewpoint that Bitcoin primarily functions as store of value, and its role as method of of payment is undergoing evolutionary process that may take long time to fully develop.
1086  Economy / Economics / Re: Save your environmental economic cycle on: September 13, 2023, 02:39:16 PM
Hi, friends.

We are currently in a chaotic phase of global economic uncertainty, everywhere in the world is almost similar to this situation in terms of economy, energy scarcity, food scarcity and many others. but that's not what will be discussed with friends here.

A few days ago I was walking around the housing complex, and I noticed that a lot of grocery stores and other needs (conventional/retailers) had gone bankrupt, maybe this happened because prices were soaring even worse, and people prefer to buy from online stores instead of buying from neighbours, which causes the economy to slow down is undeniably this is the impact of the global economic chaos and technological advances.

If you are a person who has money to shop for daily needs, I suggest you buy from merchants around you instead of shopping online whose stores are far from your place. This must be done to turn the wheels of the economy in your neighbourhood and save them from bankruptcy, at least you give them space to live.

Your approach to support merchants and businesses in your local community is admirable, because it promotes the growth of local manufacturing industries. However, it is important to recognize that many nations are members of World trade organization (WTO), which obliges all members to allow free and unrestricted movement of goods among themselves. Therefore, it becomes important for local industries to manufacture products that are both competitive in terms of quality and price on the global market.
1087  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Legal Tender in Central African Republic on: September 13, 2023, 06:29:14 AM

Bitcoin is no longer a legal tender in the Central African Republic. As you can read from the website you quoted the law that made Bitcoin a legal tender was repealed. No clear reason was given but I suspect that this decision was externally influenced. But El Salvador is still setting the pace for other fearless nations to join the moving train.

This is indeed a sad news for Bitcoin enthusiasts and disappointing development towards Bitcoin adoption. Your point is valid that there could be external influences those have played a role in reversing their decision of Bitcoin adoption as legal tender.  However, we should continue holding our Bitcoin with firm belief that Bitcoin inherent deflationary nature will continue driving its demand. I am optimistic that Bitcoin represents best alternative to the current fiat based financial system, which is increasingly losing its credibility.
1088  Economy / Economics / Re: India Expands G20 Membership to G21 During Its Presidency. on: September 12, 2023, 03:34:18 PM
India is a country that has a dense population, and this is a resource to build a better country by relying on human resources, India needs a lot of support and investment to become a prosperous country, we know that many intelligent people come from from India and now serving in big world companies, it shows that India has the motivation to make its country better.

This expansion aims to increase possibilities and increase cooperation with many countries. If the Indian people receive education like China during the development years, I think India will be more advanced than China itself through this event.

Indeed, India has vast and dense population, that can be a valuable resource for its development and progress if educated and trained properly to meet the challenges of emerging technologies. Investing in education is crucial for India and African nations who have recently gained membership status of BRICS organization. This investment is vital to effectively take benefit of potential opportunities that this organization can bring among member counties in terms of mutual investment and trade collaborations.
1089  Economy / Economics / Re: No choice but to use the unavoidable middle man, the exchange companies. on: September 12, 2023, 10:47:27 AM
No choice but to use the unavoidable middle man, the exchange companies.

You have highlighted the complex dynamics encountered by traders and investors when managing selling or buying their digital assets. While P2P transactions are possible, but we should recognize that intermediaries such as exchanges play important role in the business world due to the benefits they offer in terms of convenience, security and compliance with regulations and market access. It is our choice to using P2P or exchanges depending on our business of specific context in which transactions occur. I believe both models will continue to coexist serving different purposes and uses preferences within the evolving financial landscape.
1090  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: September 12, 2023, 01:29:24 AM
Having a strategy and not rushing into things is important. I'm always thinking about the future, and I don't believe in investing just for quick profits, especially with Bitcoin. I like that many people here focus on long-term goals. One reason I don't invest a large sum all at once is because it's better to start early when you have the money and not wait for the huge capital to be there. If I try to save up a big amount to invest later, I might end up spending it on something else. So, I prefer to invest $100 from each paycheck, spreading it out over 3-12 months. This way, I can accumulate more Bitcoin over time.

Your approach to investing in Bitcoin is a prudent one and aligns with the long-term financial planning and risk management. Although many market experts are anticipating a major dip in Bitcoin's price, dropping to price to $20,000 or even below, based on their fundamental and technical analysis, but it is important to recognize that such forecasts are not certain. Bitcoin has history of surprising market participants with unexpected movements. However, if such a scenario unfolds, it would be wise to capitalize on this potentially lucrative moment.
1091  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: September 11, 2023, 03:34:40 PM
#Bitcoin    Impulsive Move Nearby. 🚀

The extremely low volatility we are witnessing right now is not something new in #BTC    cycles. It usually lead to impulsive moves.


You are absolutely correct, the historical patterns indicate that low volatility is often followed by sharp and impulsive moves in Bitcoin price. While predicting future price of Bitcoin is extremely challenging task, considering low liquidity in the market and average buying cost of  Bitcoin in the range of $23,000 to $24,000, according to on-chain analysis, suggest the possibility of further downward movement in Bitcoin's price before any potential reversal becomes evident.


https://markets.chainalysis.com/#trading
1092  Economy / Economics / Re: India Expands G20 Membership to G21 During Its Presidency. on: September 11, 2023, 11:30:20 AM
This is a very good development and I hope it will be able to achieve the reason why the AU and the old members agree on the term.

But instead of trying to make it G20 which disfigures the round figure of such like it, why not maintain the G20 irrespective of how many members they have? By the name, it would have easily defined the started member states.

As it is now, China is trying to do anti-US and Western states, it's possible the vacuum will still help in maintaining the G20 name without disfiguring it to G21.

Instead of viewing it as a mere numerical change, we should focus on the potential implications of extending membership to the entire African continent. This represents profoundly positive development that can potentially create new opportunities for the people of African nations to grasp, subsequently enhancing  the quality of life for themselves and their families.
1093  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bullish Case for Bitcoin, reloaded. on: September 11, 2023, 03:49:46 AM
The demand and limited supply of bitcoin work together to affect the price of bitcoin. The halving event has proven to be a good catalyst in the growth of bitcoin price.  But, after the halving, or bullish run that follows it, the price also falls back to a low amount. Because the bear market scare many users away and makes them feel like they're not good investors. like Op said, without the demand, bitcoin price won't make any much positive changes. Hence, when more people stop investing or trading bitcoin, because of its price volatility the price begin to drop, causing more users to pull off their money into fiat. It's realistic that bitcoin will not fail us, if a good number of countries, facing inflation adopts bitcoin as a means of exchange or payment. And the high expectation that bitcoin price will hit fresh ATH, may get the attention of the media. If they begin to publish such trend, more people, who wish to profit money through bitcoin will throw in some money into it.

Your thoughtful insight about factors those can potentially influence the future of Bitcoin's price is indeed valuable. In particular, when assessing the Bitcoin price trajectory within the historical context of halving event and its consequent impact on Bitcoin market. It is important to acknowledge the prevailing economic conditions worldwide. Factors such as, high inflation and interest rates, declining GDP across major economies, tensions among USA, Russia and China, are creating unfavorable environment for investment in risky assets. Therefor despite the historical role of halving event to act as catalyst for price surge, it is possible that substantial increase in Bitcoin price in 2024 may not materialize, what most of Bitcoin enthusiasts are expecting.
1094  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Legal Tender in Central African Republic on: September 10, 2023, 11:16:55 AM
A few years ago many people never believed that Bitcoin would be accepted as a medium of payment. Today it is accepted in many countries and reputable institutions are now clamoring to be part of the Bitcoin system. The effect of Bitcoin on national economies might be debated but I believe that soon the impact will be visible.
Absolutely correct, Bitcoin has come a long way since its inception, and its acceptance as payment method is an ongoing evolutionary process. It is important to acknowledge that the road to Bitcoin adoption is not without bumps and obstacles, such as regulatory uncertainty, price volatility and security concerns, and these hurdles are likely to persist in coming months and years. However, as Bitcoin ecosystem continues to mature, some of these obstacles will be addressed. The path to widespread adoption will be market by both advancements, such as acceptance of Bitcoin by El-Salvador and Central African Republic, as well as hurdles that Bitcoin will encounter along the way.
1095  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hold coin on: September 09, 2023, 11:45:52 AM

I agree that it is going to be a lot more important to invest now and wait for the price to increase than keep on investing and then expecting something to change. I know that it is not going to be simple and it is going to be something that changes things on the long run. I fear that it is going to be a big deal when the price goes up and these people haven't invested already.

I have met a person who lost money even during the bull run, and turns out he bought when it went up, the moment it started to go down a bit, he thought he was too late and it started to crash and sold, and it went up again. So people should get in right now and not a lot of days after it starts to go up, thats not going to be helpful at all.

I suggest to taking advantage of current lower market prices and continuing to accumulate Bitcoin by employing Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA) strategy. DCA is considered effective approach to maintain lower average cost of investment. Purchasing Bitcoin during the bear market phase lays the foundation for potentially gaining substantial profit during the bull cycle anticipated in 2024 considering it halving event of Bitcoin slated for mid 2024.
1096  Economy / Economics / Re: Is market manipulation a common occurrence everywhere? on: September 09, 2023, 03:43:31 AM
What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

To the best of my understanding, market manipulation can take place in a wide range of markets, from commodity, Forex to cryptocurrencies. It is not limited to any country or market type. However, the impact of market manipulation can vary widely depending on the specific context and regulatory environment in a particular location. It is generally perceived that individuals or entities with substantial financial resources, can leverage their financial clout to manipulate prices in their favor.
1097  Economy / Economics / Re: BRICS has become eleven countries instead of five. on: September 08, 2023, 03:16:32 PM
Economic unions, as history shows, are constantly transforming. The political situation in countries can change dramatically, and one or another economic union will simply lose its relevance. The larger BRICS becomes, the more internal disputes and disagreements will arise.

It is true that throughout the history, economic unions are constantly subject to evolution due to fluctuations in the political landscape, which can lead to significant shifts overtime and it can make a specific economic union obsolete. It is possible that with the increased membership of the countries, internal disputes and divergences may come on the forefront.

Nevertheless, the positive side of expanding membership of BRICS is that, it can potentially provide opportunities to the citizens of these nations to improve their quality of life by taking advantage of these favorable circumstances.
1098  Economy / Economics / Re: We Are 2007 and next year 2008 on: September 08, 2023, 11:26:46 AM
Like my username we are in 2007 the 2024 year 2008 ..so 2008 started Strong money printing.
Also btc halving next year

So everything calculated Wink

Do you have any sources that suggest that there would be excessive money printing in 2024 also?

I am not denying the bull run here but I see that you are too over excited for the BTC halving and bull run and you may overestimate the targets for the bull run. I think it is better to remain calm and realistic and the effect of money printing may not be instantaneous. Yes, the history does repeat itself but it will be impossible for anyone to predict when it will happen. No one can time the financial market perfectly.

You are absolutely right that many individuals are overly enthusiastic about outcome of Bitcoin halving event, and it is there is a real possibility that results of such events might not meet the expectations of many of us. It is important to note that investors typically anticipate  significant increase in Bitcoin price following the halving event, primarily based on its historical performance. Furthermore, Regarding reversal in Federal Reserve (FED) in Money tightening policy, there are several signs that it may happen in the last quarter of 2023 or first quarter of 2024 due to consistent declining trend in consumer price index (CPI) and supporting statements of FED chairman in this regard..
1099  Economy / Economics / Re: We Are 2007 and next year 2008 on: September 08, 2023, 01:21:30 AM
2008 was the year when the global financial crisis really hit the world, although it started in 2007. Now, Bitcoin is speculated to have been created partially because of a desire to give people an alternative in a situation like that, when everything's failing. But there still hasn't been a major economic crisis to see how it performs under such harsh global economic conditions.
In any case, it doesn't look to me like 2024 will be the year of a big economic global crisis, so I don't think 2024 is 2008. Perhaps the op meant something else, but the post is vague, so I don't know.

Indeed, the global economic meltdown was a major event of 2008, that had its far reaching impacts all over the world. Initially it began with a liquidity crisis in housing market in USA, and led to severe global recession. I agree with your perspective that 2024 is unlikely to resemble 2008 due to improving economic conditions, particularly when Federal Reserve pauses its policy of tightening monetary measures. The economic situation is likely to get better when FED will pause its tight money tightening measures. Furthermore, 2024 is noteworthy as year of Bitcoin halving event, that can potentially trigger Bitcoin price to new all time high.
1100  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Legal Tender in Central African Republic on: September 07, 2023, 03:51:44 PM
What if you are appointed as a bitcoin investment manager by the Central African Republic? Would you consider the 4-year cycle of bitcoin? Will you buy and accumulate 2 years earlier until its next halving and then sell them after the halving year? I am not sure if the big financial institutions are doing this but more likely that some of them as already into this type of strategy.

The volatility of bitcoin will continue until it reaches its long-term potential. Maybe if the whole valuation of bitcoin reaches double digits in trillions of dollars its price will have difficulty making big waves.  

If I were given the opportunity to work as Bitcoin Investment Manager by the central African republic, I would certainly adopt Dollar cost averaging strategy (DCA) ,for purchasing Bitcoin. My approach would involve acquiring Bitcoin at regular intervals while taking advantage of major price dips. This strategy is preferable to simply buying two years before the halving event. The aim of this approach is to maintain lower average cost of investment overtime.

It is also important to prioritize responsible risk management, a long term perspective and compliance with regulations, while managing investment in Bitcoin.
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