Probably. I'm a little far from Boston, though. I understand you're even further away. Perhaps Mike is in a position to do as you suggest.
Nah, I'm in Australia  I saw a recently posted video of a guy right above the bomb area where took some photos, they were terrible - really smoky and he explained that he took them without looking. How convenient, I've been looking for more amateur pics and videos, they seem very rare - or at least hard to find amongst the early release stuff. One of my facebook friends posted photos he took of explosions at the finish line right after the real event. He works down the street. When are you going to accept that your conspiracy theory has way more holes and difficulties than the real thing? |
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Just looking for an explanation for that sign, as it does seem to have been there originally....
Another bomb did go off a few blocks back from the finish line, didn't it? Might that have taken out the sign?
More perplexing is why the sign would go missing in a faked scenario. The theory goes that it was put up after the staged footage was filmed, the same sort of continuity error that left an egg under Frank's throne in Rocky HorrorOkay, now we're getting somewhere. So there was a staged event shot prior. Then please tell me what all the people who work in the offices of the upper floors of the surrounding buildings saw during the shooting of the staged footage. They're out there. And you even know where they work. Go interview them. Sillyness. |
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Just looking for an explanation for that sign, as it does seem to have been there originally....
Another bomb did go off a few blocks back from the finish line, didn't it? Might that have taken out the sign?
More perplexing is why the sign would go missing in a faked scenario. To the conspiracy nuts, please explain what really happened for the rest of us dimwits. I want a timeline and a consistent explanation. Was it faked onsite? Was it faked earlier? Was it faked somewhere else? Who was informed so they would be able to play along? What really happened at the marathon finish line? Please explain all this so we can better understand. |
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As I noted earlier, they are different races. One is a 5K, as you can see by looking at the sign underneath the timer.
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nah not the timer - the large monitor, seen more clearly here:
Now that is intriguing. Anybody got an "It was just a flag being dragged away." for that one? Yeah. It looks like a different race. Note the label beneath the timer in the different pictures with a timer. It would be good if the conspiracy theory guys validated the sources of the photos. |
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I believe Twitter post times adjust for your timezone. And I believe that post occurred 64 minutes after the bombings. |
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What significance are you attaching to an announcement made 64 minutes after the bombings? Are you saying that the police needed to detonate some additional bombs they found? So? |
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I've read both Cryptonomicon and Reamde. Enjoyed them both.
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eye witnesses accounts have proven to be worthless to date, yes it might confirm my theory but there have been plenty of whistle blowers regarding the twin towers including ex FBI and CIA but it doesn't mean shit if nobody is in a position to do anything about it.
anyway, it seems nobody is going to change their minds about this so not much point continuing discussing it - I just wish people would do more research on past events so they may not automatically trust what they see from their govt and media.
You're not approaching this scientifically or logically, which dooms your conclusions. Instead, you want to impose your conclusion, however unlikely it is, due to a preconceived belief system you have. You really must cast a more skeptical eye on your own thought processes and conclusions. You're asking us to be skeptical, when in fact your own lack of skepticism has failed you. As an exercise, try to think of ways that would render your ideas impossible. Just try it. The problem is, you're not trying it. Once you try it, you'll see your ideas just won't hold up. |
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Well, it seems most think it's impossible based on the number of people needing to be involved - I don't think so, not if they are politically aligned, part of a large extended family (which seemed to be the case with many involved in sandy hook) and they simply believe the end game is worth it, ie. they think they'll save lives through gun control. I don't think people were killed here or at Sandy Hook which makes that a much more likely proposition.
Think of all the simple things you could do to disprove your theory by simply going to Boston and walking around and talking to people. |
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MikeH,
Instead of looking for things which seem odd and might point you in the direction of a conspiracy (but which you can't definitively prove), you should start at the other end and you'll arrive at a reasonable conclusion much faster. How do you approach it from the other end? Look for things that show how impossible it would be for it to be a conspiracy.
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I'm all for it. Businesses come and go. Who wants to ever worry about having to move all your data to another business when crap like that happens.
I've thought of this idea before, and it seems inevitable and the only permanent solution.
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Furthermore, MikeH,
Those two women don't look alike at all. I don't even know what point you're trying to convey here. And smoke dissipates. It's a cloud, and then two minutes later, it isn't.
But if you really do like examining photos looking for clues, then get a job with an intelligence agency. You can get paid for it. However, practice your skills, because everything you've thus far pointed out is not suspicious.
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MikeH,
All the shadows are pointing in the same direction except for the guy who is leaning over as he runs. Because he is leaning over, the shadow casts at a different angle. Go get some planks of wood or some friends to duplicate it.
In an enlargement of an image, small details just don't resolve, such as tiny details on a badge.
Smoke is essentially haze. It basically has a linear falloff when inside it. When outside it, it appears as a cloud. No doubt you've been in fog. You can see for some distance, but it linearly falls off until you can no longer see. When outside fog, it appears as a cloud. Go hiking in the mountains, where you're actually hiking in clouds at time.
You're a conspiracy theorist in search of a conspiracy. Happy hunting. I know it must be fun for you, but it is surely an unproductive activity. You can always find odd stuff in just about any situation because you don't understand the complete context. As an example, a red flag might appear to be the media erasing gore from the sidewalk, unless you have a larger context, in which case you can simply see that it was a flag being dragged away. Of course, the conspiracy theorist will then find something nefarious in a flag being dragged away. But in an even larger context, you'd probably be able to see that it was probably just hooked on something that was being moved out of the way.
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This would be where someone else does any of the following:
1. Mentions some movies they like (with a little bit of info about the movie or why they like it).
2. Thanks someone for pointing out some movies they haven't heard of.
3. Engages in general discourse, dialog, disagreement, questioning, or commenting.
I'm doing number two! Wait, that didn't sound right..  I mean #2 on the list. Thanks FirstAscent. I am looking forward to working through your recommendations. Thank you. Please share which ones you end up watching, even if you didn't enjoy them. And if you know in advance which ones you you're considering watching, please share. I named a lot of movies. I'd be curious to know which one(s) captured your attention. Even among my favorites, I have my favorites. |
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TBH, it does look like a flag or some piece of red cloth being pulled away. It's difficult to tell what's going on there, because we can only see what the camera sees. A reasonable explanation: somebody was moving some apparatus that had hooked the fabric, and as they moved the apparatus, it pulled the fabric. Of course, nobody will know, but I refuse to attach any significance to it. |
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There's a whole lot of other issues with the story but let's see you explain the link posted earlier in this thread: http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-thinkFirstly don't you think it's odd to put someone who lost both legs in a wheelchair rather than stretcher, it's only going to cause more blood loss - obviously I'm no doctor but hey google tells me I guessed right: "lie the victim flat, with the feet raised 12 inches above the surface.". There wasn't a drop of blood to be found along the path he was pushed in the wheelchair either. Not only does the blood looks fake but did you see the bottle of blood in the pic? What's a bottle of blood doing there? Why did the glass in the building blow outwards? Why was this guy who lost 2 legs the last to get any attention, why was he and others around him so nonchalant about being blown the fuck up? Did you notice the pic of him with no legs in an army uniform? don't you think it's him? if it is him, there should be no doubt. Finally the dodgy early video footage of the blast showed there were actually no people where the flash / smoke bomb went off, strange - it was right near the finish line, it should have been packed there. If you need a motive - how about the fact that CISPA was passed as well as Obama, Clinton and Bush being indicted for war crimes right when this happened - just as Bin Laden was (apparently) killed the day after Obama was found to have a fake birth certificate - ie. distractions. In addition, just as per sandy hook with the gun control, a senator has already written a bill to regulate the purchase of gun powder. It seems over the top but to see drastic change in the constitution, they probably feel they have to stage these events. I actually don't believe anyone was killed here, nor at sandy hook - look at previous real events and you see a whole lot more evidence that there were deaths and obviously to stage such a thing, you'll have a much easier time getting people on board with a harmless sham for a greater good that may save lives (such as gun control). Btw, I didn't jump to conclusions about this being a conspiracy, it had all the signs - there is video of a guy on local tv saying that before the race they were running a bomb drill, don't be alarmed etc, he reckons he had been attending marathons all over and had never seen anything like it. These drills are known to coincide with evens like Sandy Hook, the London bombings and others so that if they are caught in the act they can say 'it's just a drill!' Then there was the media totally ignoring what the public was pointing out - the Craft International (private militia) guys who were also in a police uniforms at Sandy Hook, they were in the exact area of the blast and had backpacks that matched the shredded backpack that was found - unlike the actual suspects, they were also seen leaving the scene without a backpack. There was a photo of one of the official suspects leaving the scene, it seemed that the backpack was photoshopped out. There have been witness accounts saying that the police ran over the suspect that was killed, not his brother - why would you stick your neck out and say that? Same goes for any of us seeking the truth, we get nothing out of it but the hope of seeing justice done all the while being labelled whack jobs, conspiracy nuts etc thanks to hugely effective job the mainstream media has done drilling this into the general public. I could punch holes in a many of the points above, but that's not what I came here to do. I opted to not believe that no way this was a false flag event until, that is, a video caught my eye. Then I hunted down the actually footage from ABC. Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2P5ATXS9OiQ#t=150sIf you don't know what you're looking at, take a look at this 33s video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2bYdYQfBE8Sloppy editing/splicing, for there's even a crack in the female's voice, and she's supposed to be broadcasting live from Washington. I assume Alex Jones is all over this, but I'm not sure. I found it by accident. Watch the link below very closely at the extreme right hand side of the screen and you'll understand. No, it's not some nefarious media setup. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2P5ATXS9OiQ#t=146s |
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There's a whole lot of other issues with the story but let's see you explain the link posted earlier in this thread: http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-thinkFirstly don't you think it's odd to put someone who lost both legs in a wheelchair rather than stretcher, it's only going to cause more blood loss - obviously I'm no doctor but hey google tells me I guessed right: "lie the victim flat, with the feet raised 12 inches above the surface.". There wasn't a drop of blood to be found along the path he was pushed in the wheelchair either. I might have to reserve the same comments for your analysis as I did to the last guy. I'm sorry, but where did the real spectators (not actors) get the memo that the whole thing was going to be staged? Or let me guess, the marathon never happened! |
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your loser fucked up lazy ass cop out
Incivility gets you *plonked!*. Take care. *plonked*, but not refuted. And thus, I hit the nail on the head. Your answer was indeed a loser fucked up lazy ass cop out. And because of that, please refrain from spouting your nonsense any further unless you think it through. |
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