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1121  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 28, 2012, 04:13:56 PM
you must power the computer backups which must break out of the cage to run an electrical power to computer wallet backups. As intense emi can follow the power lines.

So have several of these things in separate cages, and only power one at a time.  Then you only lose at most one of them to the power surge.

Now there's a thought....hmmmmm time to ponder about dis.
1122  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Electrum - a new thin client on: May 28, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
Yes that would help wouldn't it?  Apologies for your waste your time to write all that, I'm usually better at question asking...

Well mainly I just wanted to do a test send of 0.001 BTC & there is currently 0.1001 BTC ( http://blockexplorer.com/address/1oqzzEJKVyChXkgEWb6wkcWoWVPi9KsdN ) and the fee is currently set to the default have not touched it and in the code it seemed both of those payto and sendtx both relayed to sendtx function so i thought the issue might have been related.

The reason there is a 0001 instead of a 0.001 is that was a copy error from the terminal.

Both commands still give me the same errors previously posted above. Please, let me know if i left anything out.

I cannot tell you what caused the first error; I would need to see the transaction. I guess it was not correctly written to your file

concerning the second error:
the default fee is a fee per tx input.
the transaction you're trying to create has 2 inputs, so the fee would be 0.002 (unless you use the -f option). this explains the error.

it seems that I am observing that python wont connect to the Internet properly to get the balance on my box and there for my tx_file contained the error displaying i had a balance of zero.
1123  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Abe 0.6: Open Source Block Explorer Knockoff on: May 28, 2012, 02:32:04 AM
So to convert that with the following formula 1953408036 ­/ 100000000 = 19.53408036 BTC

But when I look at the Blockchain it says there is a slightly higher total received balance: https://blockchain.info/address/1SoMGuYknDgyYypJPVVKE2teHBN4HDAh3
Apparently 19.53408036 was the total received as of Block 180750 and until Block 180779 (8 days ago).  You would see that number if your database were not up to date.  You can check it through the browser interface or with SQL:
Code:
SELECT MAX(block_height) FROM chain_candidate
 WHERE chain_id = 1 AND in_longest = 1;

The output should be the current block number, 181904 as of right now.  Check bitcoind and Abe's log if you get a lower number.


Oh.... yep that was i the issue my database is only at block: 180769

Thanks mate!
1124  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Abe 0.6: Open Source Block Explorer Knockoff on: May 28, 2012, 01:45:33 AM
what is wrong here? When i run the following SQL command on Bitcoin-abe database:

Quote
SELECT SUM(txout.txout_value) FROM pubkey
      JOIN txout ON txout.pubkey_id=pubkey.pubkey_id
      JOIN block_tx ON block_tx.tx_id=txout.tx_id
      JOIN block b ON b.block_id=block_tx.block_id
      JOIN chain_candidate cc ON cc.block_id=b.block_id
      WHERE
          pubkey.pubkey_hash = LOWER('04E116F6F1236ED1D0E40F03A20DE85E81D6C6DF') AND
          cc.chain_id = 1 AND
          cc.in_longest = 1

I get the value of: 1953408036 ­

So to convert that with the following formula 1953408036 ­/ 100000000 = 19.53408036 BTC

But when I look at the Blockchain it says there is a slightly higher total received balance: https://blockchain.info/address/1SoMGuYknDgyYypJPVVKE2teHBN4HDAh3
1125  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 28, 2012, 12:42:10 AM
Faraday cages only work if they are self powered in some way...

I meant why would civilization end if only eletronic/magnetic affected devices were destroyed?

But your statement doesn't seem accurate either. A faraday cage appears to work based on conductive material.

From your wikipedia link:

Quote
In modern cleanroom packaging outer layers of static-dissipative polyester and polyethylene are wrapped around an inner layer of aluminum to create Faraday cages to protect static sensitive components such as PC Boards that travel long distances between manufacture and assembly.[3]

Quote
A booster bag (shopping bag lined with aluminum foil) acts as a Faraday cage. It is often used by shoplifters to steal RFID-tagged items

Quote
Some linemen wear Faraday suits, which allow them to work on live, high voltage power lines without risk of electrocution. The suit prevents electrical current from flowing through the body, and has no theoretical voltage limit. Linemen have successfully worked even the highest voltage (Kazakhstan's Ekibastuz–Kokshetau line 1150 kV) lines safely.

I could be wrong but i was under the impression a farday cage only works when completly sealed so the guy working on electrical wire sounds pluaseable however you must power the computer backups which must break out of the cage to run an electrical power to computer wallet backups. As intense emi can follow the power lines.

I misunderstood your original quote Tongue

You said Faraday cages only work if they are self powered, and I took that literally, as in the Faraday cage had to be self powered. But you were talking about computers running bitcoin Smiley

Lol i did kind of write it wierd now that i look back at it. I was kind of suggesting solar power but i dont know enough about how farday cages work well enough to see how that would work.
1126  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 28, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Faraday cages only work if they are self powered in some way...

I meant why would civilization end if only eletronic/magnetic affected devices were destroyed?

But your statement doesn't seem accurate either. A faraday cage appears to work based on conductive material.

From your wikipedia link:

Quote
In modern cleanroom packaging outer layers of static-dissipative polyester and polyethylene are wrapped around an inner layer of aluminum to create Faraday cages to protect static sensitive components such as PC Boards that travel long distances between manufacture and assembly.[3]

Quote
A booster bag (shopping bag lined with aluminum foil) acts as a Faraday cage. It is often used by shoplifters to steal RFID-tagged items

Quote
Some linemen wear Faraday suits, which allow them to work on live, high voltage power lines without risk of electrocution. The suit prevents electrical current from flowing through the body, and has no theoretical voltage limit. Linemen have successfully worked even the highest voltage (Kazakhstan's Ekibastuz–Kokshetau line 1150 kV) lines safely.

I could be wrong but i was under the impression a farday cage only works when completly sealed so the guy working on electrical wire sounds pluaseable however you must power the computer backups which must break out of the cage to run an electrical power to computer wallet backups. As intense emi can follow the power lines.
1127  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Looking for merchants like you to start selling on & automated trusted website! on: May 27, 2012, 06:18:04 PM
Hi,

I think the cheaperinbitcoins site/design very interesting, but I would like this more like bitmit.net site, where anyone could sell products (new or used) and let buyers/sellers rank each other.
Yeh i think im going to started steering towards that direction. Thanks for your input, stay tuned
1128  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 27, 2012, 06:14:13 PM
Just to clarify this is a seriously joking thread.... I'm very curious as to What happens if there is mass solar flare that wipes out the data of every computer? Who cares about the banks(hehe) right? What about Meh Bitcoinz!? So we should find some ways to back it up (that are practical) in the event this happens. Keep on throwing out crazy idears!
But if you think about it, anything that bad would be the end of civilization. Bitcoins, dollars, gold,... anything but food will be useless.


Why would you think that? AFAIK there would only be an affect on electronic/magnetic sensitive devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare#Hazards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
Faraday cages only work if they are self powered in some way if anything breaks the seal of the cage its considered suspetible to EMI
1129  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 27, 2012, 04:26:04 PM
Just to clarify this is a seriously joking thread.... I'm very curious as to What happens if there is mass solar flare that wipes out the data of every computer? Who cares about the banks(hehe) right? What about Meh Bitcoinz!? So we should find some ways to back it up (that are practical) in the event this happens. Keep on throwing out crazy idears!
1130  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Looking for merchants like you to start selling on & automated trusted website! on: May 27, 2012, 04:23:01 PM
To not much of my surprise not very many merchants are very giddy about the idea of giving up their address information. So instead of allowing merchants to sell anonymously under the Cheaper In Bitcoins name, I will now undergo some slight changes to the code that will bring out the sellers of each products identity and cancel my policy on physical address verification. I'll post back here when the updates are ready.
1131  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 27, 2012, 10:21:23 AM
hehe I'm glad I made this thread..... Interesting backup ideas....
1132  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: [BOUNTY] Electrum Firefox Extension on: May 26, 2012, 10:25:18 PM
interesting.....
1133  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Hardware Bitcoin wallet - a minimal Bitcoin wallet for embedded devices on: May 26, 2012, 10:24:04 PM
I'm bad at naming things. I chose "hardware Bitcoin wallet" as a working title because it's direct. At one time I thought "Solidcoin" (solid: it's a solid device you can physically hold in your hand, coin: from Bitcoin) would be a good name, but that name's already taken. If you or anyone else can come up with a good name, I'll adopt it.

Solidcoin would indeed be a very poor choice.

I suggest "mikey", following connotations:

 * usb key form factor
 * stores "my key" to my money
 * holds mikes (street name Drug dealing code word for a micro-btc)


fixed that for ya Tongue
1134  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 26, 2012, 10:22:50 PM
If we can print at 600 dpi and use 4 dots per bit, we can get it down to 1760 pages. Don't give up, protectors of the chain!

Edit: Omfg! If we can just print 256 colors faithfully this could fit in 8 pages. Lamination of the blockchain is imminent.



or even better: encode it into a virus and spread!
This team at Stanford have encoded a single bit into DNA that is inherited by the bacteria's descendants:

http://phys.org/news/2012-05-totally-rad-scientists-rewritable-digital.html

Ok, one bit does not a blockchain make but they hope to be able to store a whole byte in another decade.


There we go!! Lets just hope that back up encoded virus doesn't get a virus......
1135  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Cheaper In Bitcoins -- GLBSE Stocks and updates on Cheaper In Bitcoins on: May 26, 2012, 10:19:32 PM
Beta testing has been released to the public: http://cheaperinbitcoins.com

Merchants are needed for the june launch.

Giving out prizes through out june
1136  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 26, 2012, 08:45:57 AM
My thoughts? Paper is far too fragile. Please encode it in a set of these: http://delkin.com/c-155602-archive-archival-gold-cd-r.html

Then let us know where you're keeping it in case we need it.
If that business isn't here in 300 years can we sue?

and what about laminating the paper and locking it in a (large) safe? wouldn't that last longer then digital data that is susceptible to EMI?
You better get a good durable laminator. My back-of-the-envelope calculation for a 1.5 GB blockchain and 2kb per typewritten page means you're going to need to laminate 750,000 pages.

Maybe we could compress the data with QR codes and we'll make the qr codes take up a smaller space then it would then typed out letters.
Apparently you can store 300 alpha numeric characters in a QRcode
(Sources:http://www.denso-wave.com/qrcode/qrfeature-e.html)
1137  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Electrum - a new thin client on: May 26, 2012, 07:34:58 AM
For some reason it thinks my balance is zero...
Quote
./electrum balance                   
Connected to electrum.bitcoins.sk:50001
0
~/electrum#


But my addresses say other wise(well just one address has bitcoins in it but here is the output)
Quote
:~/electrum# ./electrum addresses           
1oqzzEJKVyChXkgEWb6wkcWoWVPi9KsdN
13CQNUaA1W91jSRGyBBjAGKWTEbawLQZmL   
1JXXdR7UziFyiGGwkRLaTPqneDwfw5SHzi   
1J8tQak4EFMPoUc3qQgggNq52GbvyViLPt   
1Fsxqa46eDtXsaBbrCvPZqQ5UTDF2d3mkF
1138  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Electrum - a new thin client on: May 26, 2012, 07:24:08 AM
I'm on angstrom still and when I followed the instructions found here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Electrum#How_to_send_a_transaction_with_an_offline_wallet

I get stuck at the sendtx command and get the following terminal output:
(The file name is indeed called tx_file1 - not typo)

Quote
:~/electrum# electrum sendtx `cat tx_file1`
Connected to electrum.bitcoins.sk:50001
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/electrum", line 448, in <module>
    r, h = wallet.sendtx( tx )
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/electrum/wallet.py", line 813, in sendtx
    tx_hash = Hash(tx.decode('hex') )[::-1].encode('hex')
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/encodings/hex_codec.py", line 42, in hex_decode
    output = binascii.a2b_hex(input)
TypeError: Odd-length string
Thanks mate



*Updated:

I tried the payto command as well and got a different error

Quote
electrum payto 17W7Hpno2CiD9Ma3YBrZfLaQrx61buFxXE 0001
Connected to electrum.bitcoins.sk:50001
Password:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/electrum", line 429, in <module>
    fee = options.tx_fee, change_addr = change_addr, from_addr = from_addr )
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/electrum/wallet.py", line 799, in mktx
    raise BaseException("Not enough funds")
BaseException: Not enough funds
None


ok, can you first explain why you updated your first report with another one, completely different and seemingly unrelated?
it might be that you solved the first problem and encountered another one, but if that is the case, it would be clearer to remove your first report completely.
In the absence of information I can only make guesses as to whether your first problem is solved.

Second, your 2nd traceback says "not enough funds".
if you take the time to post this, I assume that it is because you think there is a bug here, and that it should have accepted the transaction.
so, it would help me to know this:
 - did you notice the "not enough funds" message before you posted your bug report?
 - does your wallet actually have enough funds for the transaction? (1btc + fee)
 - is there a reason why you typed 0001 for the amount? looks like you mistyped a decimal point

More generally, when posting a bug report, try to give comprehensive information about the situation.

Yes that would help wouldn't it?  Apologies for your waste your time to write all that, I'm usually better at question asking...

Well mainly I just wanted to do a test send of 0.001 BTC & there is currently 0.1001 BTC ( http://blockexplorer.com/address/1oqzzEJKVyChXkgEWb6wkcWoWVPi9KsdN ) and the fee is currently set to the default have not touched it and in the code it seemed both of those payto and sendtx both relayed to sendtx function so i thought the issue might have been related.

The reason there is a 0001 instead of a 0.001 is that was a copy error from the terminal.

Both commands still give me the same errors previously posted above. Please, let me know if i left anything out.
1139  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 26, 2012, 07:14:59 AM
My thoughts? Paper is far too fragile. Please encode it in a set of these: http://delkin.com/c-155602-archive-archival-gold-cd-r.html

Then let us know where you're keeping it in case we need it.
If that business isn't here in 300 years can we sue?

and what about laminating the paper and locking it in a (large) safe? wouldn't that last longer then digital data that is susceptible to EMI?
1140  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / How about a world wide collaborative blockchain paper backup? on: May 26, 2012, 06:23:39 AM


Thoughts?
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