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1121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Genesis Vision - Decentralized platform for the trust management on: October 09, 2017, 06:18:18 AM
i know this Genesis vision type strategy. i liked. i am expert of Forex and market analyst. genesis vision bring this project for us that is fantastic. this project will very profitable and usable, people will use this likely i know.
If you have a community in forex, it would be great thing if you tell them about this project, maybe many of them will be interested.
1122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🌟🌟 Datum - Unlock the Bln $$ Data Economy - ICO 17th October - 🌟🌟 on: October 09, 2017, 06:13:04 AM
How will you convince users to sell their data to anyone? I know most of the companies sell my data but that happens in the background and I don't know about that.
WHy would I sell my data to anyone?

For money Smiley Also i the future selling your data can become useful for your own convenience. Example, you dont know what to eat, but your refrigerator knows everything in your fridge and what you ate the past 1-2 weeks. You upload your fridge data to a cooking receipt app, that can suggest meals you can make with the stuff you have in your fridge and is divers from anything you ate that week.

Just one example of the many applications possible with data
Well, its your own choice.
You want to give it for free or sell it for money?
1123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🌟 ⚡🚀ANN: GATCOIN Blockchain Rewards Program for Mainstream Retailers🌟 ⚡🚀 on: October 09, 2017, 03:58:41 AM
So besides Japan, what markets will Gatcoin target? Will it be worldwide, or Asia first?

i think they focus on japan by now but correct me if i am wrong
If the first contracts will be signed with Japan, this does not mean that they will work all the time in this region. I think there will be an expansion of the  GATCOIN activity, but this will take time
I hope they will also offer their service in Europe and America because I think these would be big markets for a product like GATCOIN.

Sooner or later they also will come to Europe and America, but let them first get a base in Asia. It's probably not good to get to greedy and try to work on every place at the same time Smiley
Its better to be prepared than in hurry, try it on Asian market first and find out some results so they will do better in america and europe.
1124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀 on: October 09, 2017, 03:44:25 AM
Still no exact date? They have 20% bonus in 1-st day, and I want not miss this bonus  Grin
It would be better if you register on their greenlist for presale, 30 % bonus  Grin
1125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔵 UTRUST 🔵 The future of online payments is here. on: October 09, 2017, 03:40:29 AM
Yes UTRUST has great argument to take a big part of the online payment market. PayPal has nothing to counter the potential of utrust. The project will revolutionate the online payment market with his platform.

I think paypal and UTrust is just the same the only difference is Utrust is using the technology of blockchain which is very much ahead on what paypal uses.
It isnt only about that, utrust provide some benefit that paypal doesnt have, and of them is lower fee.
1126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Genesis Vision - Decentralized platform for the trust management on: October 08, 2017, 05:30:14 PM
If manager lost investors money? than investors also lost? And also, what will be with this manager? He will got negative rating?

If that manager lose all his money you're going to lose your invested money and genesis vision can do nothing about that. The only thing you can do afterwards is to deprecate that manager so that other people will not invest in him

But he also lost him trust and rating? Right?
So, we must сhoose only trusted managers...

It will all go to his trading history and everyone will be able to see, that he lost that much money which would mean that nobody will be probably willing to invest in him anymore. I am just wondering if that manager can easily make a new account and start over?
It wont be that easy.
"Under simple conditions (having a minimum amount of one’s own funds in a trading account), the trader becomes the manager on the Genesis Vision platform. From that moment, all managers’ trades will be automatically verified, uploaded, and recorded in a smart contract, building a trustworthy trading history and statistics."
1127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🌟🌟 Datum - Unlock the Bln $$ Data Economy - ICO 17th October - 🌟🌟 on: October 08, 2017, 05:16:08 PM
well, just for the brain thinking Smiley

1 company will not pay you directly 2k$ for your data, thats for sure, maybe 10 Cent or 1$, but you will get your ~2k$ by many companys aka data buyers altogether.
Yes of course, its "/year" not for every sale.
And i also think that its up to 2k$, not 2k$ for sure.
1128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Genesis Vision - Decentralized platform for the trust management on: October 08, 2017, 05:09:41 PM
If manager lost investors money? than investors also lost? And also, what will be with this manager? He will got negative rating?

are you talking of a bounty manager? in that case it sounds pretty much like you are dealing with a trickster. in my point of view he a thief if it is like that. he/she has to geht a negative rating so that the comminity wont fall into that trap
No, not bounty manager.
I think investors will also lost, but indirectly. Investors bought the manager's coins and the coins price will drop if the manager loses.
1129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🌟 ⚡🚀ANN: GATCOIN Blockchain Rewards Program for Mainstream Retailers🌟 ⚡🚀 on: October 08, 2017, 04:53:09 PM
So besides Japan, what markets will Gatcoin target? Will it be worldwide, or Asia first?

i think they focus on japan by now but correct me if i am wrong
If the first contracts will be signed with Japan, this does not mean that they will work all the time in this region. I think there will be an expansion of the  GATCOIN activity, but this will take time
Yes, they have planned to have more merchants participating in the system, but not directly all over the world at once.
They have just started with SK Planet Japan.
1130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀 on: October 08, 2017, 04:36:48 PM
The date of the start of sales is already known?
Still no exact date, but it will be in November 2017
1131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🔥🔥🔥 [ANN][ICO] PAYPIE 🔥🔥🔥 PRE-SALE ABOUT TO OPEN!!!! on: October 08, 2017, 03:35:06 PM
Almost sold out in two hours. it was very successful pre ico. I am very lucky to be able to attend. I am looking forward to future announcements from the team.
Yeah, maybe there will be nothing left for the ICO  Cheesy Cheesy
1132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🔥🔥🔥 [ANN][ICO] PAYPIE 🔥🔥🔥 PRE-SALE ABOUT TO OPEN!!!! on: October 08, 2017, 03:28:50 PM
OUCH, someone just sent 51 ETH to the scammer paypie.net: 0x248****3be8CFD
OMG big amount but did it without carefull. RIP him
RIP  Cry , hopefully that amount is nothing for him and he can afford to lose it.
Hoping the worst thing will happen to the scammer.

Could we all agree on not reposting scammer addresses here in this thread? He is still getting free money and we don't wanna help him by sharing his address here.
All of us here are human beings who can read "scammer" word and "****" symbols.
What do you think about that? maybe there is a baby here who can not understand that?
1133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀 on: October 08, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
how bot is going to react to fake news? that is major issues today

I don't think the bots will react to any news at all lol they will act like they got their input but will not react on specific news or something. I think here humans are needed who will change parameters etc.

Well the bot will react to the market and in this way react to the impact of news on the price development of a certain asset, but it won't react directly to a news.
Bots cant read and react to fundamental things, always technical (as far as i know).

how bot is going to react to fake news? that is major issues today

I don't think the bots will react to any news at all lol they will act like they got their input but will not react on specific news or something. I think here humans are needed who will change parameters etc.
Strongly agree !
1134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🔥🔥🔥 [ANN][ICO] PAYPIE 🔥🔥🔥 PRE-SALE ABOUT TO OPEN!!!! on: October 08, 2017, 03:17:22 PM
OUCH, someone just sent 51 ETH to the scammer paypie.net: 0x2486085D36142CF9d05eb350d9e0c47963be8CFD
OMG big amount but did it without carefull. RIP him
RIP  Cry , hopefully that amount is nothing for him and he can afford to lose it.
Hoping the worst thing will happen to the scammer.
1135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Genesis Vision - Decentralized platform for the trust management on: October 08, 2017, 08:05:03 AM
I dont like the idea to stop a presale!
If transactions are stuck in the blockchain, so be it. If the transaction will go to Genesis Vision after the pre-sale was sold out, they just get there funds back and they can try again during the ICO.

What about the ICO will it be stopped if there is a big backlog? No! So why do it for a presale?

Can you explain ? I don't really understand what happened.
I think they just stopped selling option tokes not because transaction got stucked but because if they sell an excessive amount of option tokens they will sell too many GVT with presale bonus, screwing up who want to only join the ICO.


"Genesis Vision team launched a special option program for ICO participation. This way the company gave the participants’ a guarantee to acquire GVT tokens at a specific price during the core ICO. Options also give some additional bonuses for tokens amount, and can allow early supporters to book their tokens in advance at a price they consider fair."

Ah ok, I had misunderstood everything.

Weird to not have any hard cap for the presale.

Indeed. Why no hard cap?
Why wasnt there a smart contract were let say: 20% of the tokens are for presale with a bonus of ...%. When all tokens are sold, just say sold out!

This would be much beter to see a pre-sale that is sold out then a pre-sale that is cancelled.
Anyway, glad there is so much interest in this project! I missed presale so crowdsale will be for me and everyone else Wink

It is odd indeed.

And what was the number for stopping it. They was watching it and said now it is very high demand lets stop it.

Anyway of course it is a great thing there is a good demand. Still the process is little odd.
So there was not much detail on the pre-sale? I didnt find any information about presale in the whitepaper
1136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🌟🌟 Datum - Unlock the Bln $$ Data Economy - ICO 17th October - 🌟🌟 on: October 08, 2017, 07:54:14 AM
I entered the Datum airdrop a few weeks or month ago, but I still don't know what Datum is. A data stock market?

an online marketplace based on the blockchain where you can sell your own generated data. as you know your data (likes, shopping behavior, demographic info, ...) is all very valuable. Data will allow you to sell the data that gets left behind, like secret likes, cash spendings, ... so that advertisers and researchers can get the best available information to target you as a consumer

Just realized that such data (shopping behaviour etc) has values. For me as individual, those data are worthless but after I read Datum's opening page, I got interested to know more about the benefit we can get from such data.

hopefully the benefit will be highly valuable. the concern I have is that my data as an individual isn't worth much. what is worth much is the aggregated data of millions of individuals.
They said "your data is worth $2000+ USD/year."
Hopefully that is true, and i think it will be like this : we sell our data one by one, and the buyer will buy many at once.
1137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🌟 ⚡🚀ANN: GATCOIN Blockchain Rewards Program for Mainstream Retailers🌟 ⚡🚀 on: October 08, 2017, 07:50:36 AM
i want to know is there gatcoin issue devices for merchants to create bonus coupon or something like that?

don't think so. a merchants enters into a contract with Gatcoin, and then the team generates the tokens for the merchant.
But i think it would be better if there is an app/device, so it will be simpler and easier.
1138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🔥🔥🔥 [ANN][ICO] PAYPIE 🔥🔥🔥 PRE-SALE ABOUT TO OPEN!!!! on: October 08, 2017, 07:24:54 AM
They dont have ready product, they will sell only idea. Will tokens able only after 12 month?
More than 50% work on the platform is completed including core accounting framework and POC for the Single Ledger.
Able what?
Thanks for answer. Will token locks for 12 month and will able for trade after 1 year?

As far as I understod the 12 months locking/vesting applies to the team tokens only. I assume that tokens will be released a few weeks after finished token sales and tradable around the same time.
Yep, once its available/listed on any exchanges, it can be traded immediately.

the 12 months token locks sounds truly "PayPie brings ultimate trust and transparency "  

You mean, devs tokens will be locked for 12 mounth? its sounds really great. Anyway - its long-term project.. But I hope we will have a huge profit at next Spring  Roll Eyes

It means that the dev's have a lot of faith in what they can achieve. this translates to a good investment IMO.

What is the benefit for devs to lock their tokens for 12 months?
I think its not for benefit, its to guarantee the price of the token.
1139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔵 UTRUST 🔵 The future of online payments is here. on: October 08, 2017, 07:12:02 AM
UTRUST i hear will not charge too much like other but i want to know how much will charge utrust if i will spend 1000$ with UTRUST payment method to buy somethin online shopping. what will be fees due to me?

no one can tell you that right now, because it doesn't just depend on Utrust. there are other fees that have to paid to the merchant and any third parties involved.
"The buyer will be shown a description of the total amount to be paid, including a 1% commission and exchange conversion fees (from the crypto amount to the fiat amount). The description is transparent and updated every 2 minutes. "

So 1000$ = 10$ fees.

Payment with UTRUST token = zero exchange fee.

For anyone who hasnt used paypal or similar how MUCH lower is this compared to other solutions and is the lower fee the main competetive edge?
Hasnt or has?
The whitepaper only tells about the seller fees :
"Low seller fees - We will charge sellers a flat 1% fee on received payments. Other services such as PayPal charge a flat minimum rate of 2.9%, but can go above 5% after all “hidden fees” are accounted for. "
1140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] SOMA - The Social Marketplace on: October 08, 2017, 06:56:47 AM
I asked a question while back but I do not think it was answered.

Has anyone found what benefits token buyers get out of holding the tokens?
The worth of the tokens will decrease if more people use this.
Although I don't think this is planned as an investment so you don't need to get additional bonuses out of holding the tokens.
"While Soma enables the use of multiple cryptographic currencies on its platform - There is a strong support for the use of SCT as a payment since it is incentivized by removing transaction costs from the transactions made in SCT."

Maybe essentially this is a utility token and not an invesment token, so they wont give you any special benefit for holding the tokens.

Wait what? Then why would people want to participate in the ICO at all? Is Soma some kind of philanthropic project?

To be able to answer that question I think we first need to know what exactly Soma's business model is. Has anyone found a description of it?
Wait what? you dont want bonus? you dont want cheap price?
But still i didnt give an absolute answer before, there was a "maybe" word.

The thing you think is bonuses and cheap price now may be a different thing in the future.

It is very important to see what is soma's business model and what are tokens for? I couldn't see anything yet about it.
"The thing you think is bonuses and cheap price now may be a different thing in the future. "
I dont have any idea what are those words mean  Grin

What are tokens for? have you read the whitepaper?   Cheesy Cheesy
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