I am not dumb enough to send him someone else's property without first receiving payment. The OP lied. Big surprise, that is what scammers do. The details were checked, he was notified and still backed out. Account details have been verified.
2012 account with both 135+ posts and activity.
The negative stays |
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From what I understood, the OP just wanted the escrow to confirm if the profile of the account being sold matches with the information provided to the OP. It could be done by the escrow just getting the profile link and the escrow could tell the OP that he has checked the details and they match/do not match the description and also mention that he does not have the username nor password yet. Then the OP was OK to send the bitcoins to the escrow after which the escrow would confirm the transaction, get the username and password from the account owner and change the password. If the account owner provides the escrow with a different account whose details don't match with the account profile link he had given earlier, the transaction would be VOID and the escrow could provide the bitcoins back to the OP saying that account seller was a FRAUD else the transaction would be complete.
I don't get why the OP was given negative feedback when he had made his terms clear that he just wanted the escrow to have the profile link and verify the details with just the profile name and not take hold of the password.
The account was checked. The OP still backed out of the deal. This was stated multiple times in the past. The issue of it being a good idea to check the account first is a moot point. |
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So you want a 2 btc loan? What collateral can you offer and how much would the lender be able to sell it for in the event that you default?
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I sent you a PM regarding this. I am concerned that you do not wish to publicly want the collatetal disclosed as that generally means that the community is unable to vet it and it's value.
Regardless I am interested assuming the collatetal is sufficient along with a competitive interest rate.
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When account details are provided prior to escrow being funded, the escrow is forced to take control of the account or risk that they make a statement that they cannot confirm to be true.
Wrong, you could confirm this by looking at a link of the profile. Having read through the first 3 messages, I think that the user wanted to fund the address after you confirmed that it did fit the description you had, not after you had the password. Anyone can provide any username to an account. If I was given a name of an account then I would be forced to make a statement that I cannot verify is true. Regardless, the seller did provide me with the username/password of an account that matched the description (and I confirmed as much to the seller) of the account being sold, yet the buyer still backed out of the transaction. Anyone can provide any username to an account. If I was given a name of an account then I would be forced to make a statement that I cannot verify is true. Then ask for a username and password of the account being sold, simple. If I did that then I would need to make a statement that I cannot verify to be true. If I check the password, then confirm details of the account then the seller could change the password on me and there would be no way for me to deliver the account to the buyer. If I changed the password then the seller would be at risk as the buyer could publish the identity of the account. Regardless this is a moot point because the buyer did provide the identity of the account to me, and I did confirm that I was able to verify that it met the criteria as listed in the agreement. Yet the escrow address has not been funded. |
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I want to enroll.
Username: sgk
Post Count as of Enrolment: 2368
Rank as of Enrolment: Hero
Payment Address: 1LH84WdnhoN3sfziK8xyqcztHqsYX9utNZ
Fixed or Pay By Post: Fixed
Please confirm.
Enrollment is closed. I am not going to pay any additional people that sign up as they have already scammed. If you attempt to join then you will not be using any kind of escrow and would be relying on someone who has already scammed to pay you (in other words you are most likely not going to get paid) |
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When account details are provided prior to escrow being funded, the escrow is forced to take control of the account or risk that they make a statement that they cannot confirm to be true.
Wrong, you could confirm this by looking at a link of the profile. Having read through the first 3 messages, I think that the user wanted to fund the address after you confirmed that it did fit the description you had, not after you had the password. Anyone can provide any username to an account. If I was given a name of an account then I would be forced to make a statement that I cannot verify is true. Regardless, the seller did provide me with the username/password of an account that matched the description (and I confirmed as much to the seller) of the account being sold, yet the buyer still backed out of the transaction. |
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Ironically the seller did adhere to his scammy, post agreement term that account details be provided before escrow is funded. When account details are provided prior to escrow being funded, the escrow is forced to take control of the account or risk that they make a statement that they cannot confirm to be true.
By taking control of the account then the seller is at risk because the identity of the account would be publicly know via the security log. The buyer would know the identity of the account with a good amount of certainty because there are not a lot of passwords being changed at any given time. This would allow the buyer to publish the identity of the account which would do irreversible damage to the value of the account being sold.
There is nothing in the original agreement that says the identity must be confirmed prior to funding escrow. The point of escrow is to guarantee that both parties are thoroughly protected.
The negative will remain.
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Original escrow agreement: Hey quickseller, meren here wants to sell me a full member account registered in 2012. With 135 activity and 135 posts for 0.1 BTC
Please help us by escrowing this transaction.
Verify the above. If his claims are valid and the acount doesn't have negative overall trust give me an adress to forward the funds for the escrow.
Meren, you can reply to this message to verify that you agree with this procedure.
I verify this. Please proceed with the transaction. Please see below. The question if a signed message is required was not addressed, however I assumed it was not and left it out of the escrow agreement. If a signed message will be necessary then please confirm as much prior to funding the escrow address. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 This is quickseller from bitcointalk, today is April 12 2015 The buyer (worhiper_-_) should fund the below escrow address with .1 BTC. After there is one confirmation then the seller (meren) should provide me with the username and password to an account(s) described below. I will then change the password and forward the signed message to the buyer who will then advise me that it is okay to release escrow to the seller. In the event of a dispute I will attempt to mediate it, and in the event I am unable to decide with a good amount of certainty that I am making the correct decision, I will consult the community, moderators and forum administration via the scam accusations section. The escrow address is : 1JG6EqGhy3Uj2H92CkkPBZKmMqiVFtyot2 The amount due the seller (after my fee) is: .0925 BTC The account being sold is described below: Full Member (quantity - 1) Registered: 2012 Feedback: Neutral Activity: 135+ Posts:135+ Feedback: Neutral Trust: 0: -0 / +0(0) By sending funds to escrow and/or sending me the credentials to the account being sold you are affirming that you agree to the terms of escrow. If you are satisfied with my services, any tip to the escrow address and/or positive trust would be appreciated. Thank you. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJVKzKiAAoJEFMt0pDwvrUWr4oIAKaiv3kxJmqCH62L+RON0IyM ccS1Y7V1Su6ScPiHfftDDM9aw75J/p33F0FAqs1592hTa4Yd8UwfSFL9oxw0hNSR mDtk6K3FE/8IJEe1iVGJ6JKwrtifYM2bjL4z//YhI+2tBNkBp+mbyoddhMa12dK9 p12Hwl1CTdSONPWpqUk4sAuvwa7Ckjh8f3klnP/h1pQSnLletZnzu9Kaow2qRm7u eKWvqV6djyAAiOvxGxj8qlhdNbi2j89EX0/1SsRg8sUeNIr+Xx59qLV8CMIBD663 k6TD5Sm/1pPHs00MAds8D2b3HgdcDoK0tSPXHT4wHpma7aKkJ1L595faOHw/Soc= =qnwP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
This is quickseller from bitcointalk, today is April 12 2015
The buyer (worhiper_-_) should fund the below escrow address with .1 BTC. After there is one confirmation then the seller (meren) should provide me with the username and password to an account(s) described below.
I will then change the password and forward the signed message to the buyer who will then advise me that it is okay to release escrow to the seller. In the event of a dispute I will attempt to mediate it, and in the event I am unable to decide with a good amount of certainty that I am making the correct decision, I will consult the community, moderators and forum administration via the scam accusations section.
The escrow address is : 1JG6EqGhy3Uj2H92CkkPBZKmMqiVFtyot2
The amount due the seller (after my fee) is: .0925 BTC
The account being sold is described below:
Full Member (quantity - 1)
Registered: 2012
Feedback: Neutral
Activity: 135+
Posts:135+
Feedback: Neutral
Trust: 0: -0 / +0(0)
By sending funds to escrow and/or sending me the credentials to the account being sold you are affirming that you agree to the terms of escrow.
If you are satisfied with my services, any tip to the escrow address and/or positive trust would be appreciated.
Thank you.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJVKzKiAAoJEFMt0pDwvrUWr4oIAKaiv3kxJmqCH62L+RON0IyM
ccS1Y7V1Su6ScPiHfftDDM9aw75J/p33F0FAqs1592hTa4Yd8UwfSFL9oxw0hNSR
mDtk6K3FE/8IJEe1iVGJ6JKwrtifYM2bjL4z//YhI+2tBNkBp+mbyoddhMa12dK9
p12Hwl1CTdSONPWpqUk4sAuvwa7Ckjh8f3klnP/h1pQSnLletZnzu9Kaow2qRm7u
eKWvqV6djyAAiOvxGxj8qlhdNbi2j89EX0/1SsRg8sUeNIr+Xx59qLV8CMIBD663
k6TD5Sm/1pPHs00MAds8D2b3HgdcDoK0tSPXHT4wHpma7aKkJ1L595faOHw/Soc=
=qnwP
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I already forwarded the account details and password. First message from him: Quickseller, my initial message mentioned that you should confirm that the account is what I agreed with the seller before I send the funds. Seller agreed to this. Did you contact him to verify that his claims are valid and the account does indeed fit the description* you before asking me to fund the escrow address? BTW I don't require a signed message. *Description: Full Member (quantity - 1)
Registered: 2012
Activity: 135+
Posts:135+
Feedback: Neutral Thanks Message to him after I received credentials: Account details have been verified.
2012 account with both 135+ posts and activity.
Second message from him: The security log tell anyone that is looking which accounts have had their password changed and what time their password changed.
Like I said before your funds would be safe once they are sent to me as the seller would not be able to access the funds until after I have checked the account, I have forwarded the details to you and you have authorized the release of the funds.
If the seller wishes to send me the account details prior to you sending the funds to the escrow address then he is free to do so, however that is not something he has done as of now.
A. You can verify that the account fits his description just by looking at the profile, no passwords changed. I'm not sure if you're just ignorant of you didn't even bother to read our PMs to you before copy pasting your version of terms and sending it to me and the seller... B. The seller agreeded to my terms as he verified before you sent your version. Those terms made clear mention that you will have to verify before receiving funds. If you didn't like the terms, you could have messeged us before copy pasting your very unrelated version of the terms. C. I don't have trust issues, I just wanted to sent the funds after you verified that the account described actually existed. That's why I choose to hire you, and you failed. This deal is now canceled. I don't require you to reply to this message for explaining etc., let's just say that I wouldn't want to deal or exchange messages with you again. |
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Amount Requested: 1,9 BTC
Date repayment is to be made: repay by April 20 2015 then you would owe 7% interest (2.14 BTC), if you repay by April 27 2015 then you owe 11% interest (2.22 BTC). If you repay after april 27 2015 but prior to may 2 2015 then you owe 18% interest (2.36 BTC), and if you don't repay by May 2 then the collateral becomes my property.
Collateral: 700 BTCD
BTC address to fund the loan to: 1PBuzYR8U7HzU6D55ZbCbkMv6sgpyRHwmg
Confirmed. Please see below for the address to send the 700 BTCD to edit: the interest amounts are for a higher loan amount that was lowered based on the amount of the collateral. The amounts in the below signed message are accurate (and are in favor to the .9 BTC for 700 BTCD as collateral. Edit2: we had some issues with setting up the BTCD qt and as a result of the delay the borrower was able to find funding elsewhere. Thanks for being patient and a similar loan would be able to be provided in the future. |
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 How is this related? Whenever a high profile/closely watched member (temporarily) leaves the forum it would be appropriate to post in meta because their absence would affect the forum as a whole. However some lower profile people seem to see this happen and post here when they decide to leave, even though most people don't have a clue who they are - these types of threads belong in reputation |
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It probably means that it is close to being a hero. He was selling a senior account with 380+ activity here roughly 2 weeks ago and is now selling one with 400+ activity, so I would think that the account most likely has 406 activity. Assuming the above is true then it should be able to become a hero in roughly 3 months Oh, If it is true what you assume is 406 activity and it can only become a "Hero" in roughly 3 months then see the starting price is probably slightly higher. I thought that "Almost Hero" means simply post enough then obviously became a Hero Member without having to wait up to 3 months. Thanks for your useful information! Quickseller. I do not know for sure that what I said above is a true statement, however I do think that the logic I used makes sense and the activity I provided is likely accurate. A starting price of .5 is probably a little bit on the high side however the account would probably be able to fetch a good amount once it become hero, especially if it has high quality posts |
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It's an obvious ponzi scam, quickseller next time don't escrow for this kind of obvious scam.
And you guys don't join ponzi scam signature campaign next time, or you are helping ponzi scammers.
The choice was that either the OP scams everyone (including signature campaign participants), or the OP ends up scamming his investors/customers who should know the risks of investing, and who by a very reputable person's description are "greedy morons". Additionally anyone considering to invest in the OP's site were previously warned that he is a scammer/running a scam site |
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There is no reason to update the OP however cryptosplit has started a campaign and scammed its investors/customers. As a result I (as escrow) has offered partial payments to participants if they wish to remove their signature.
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I did not say im the real owner, i knew that selling/buying accounts is allowed in this forum so i have bought an account to sell my paypal.
If you want paypal history proof just let me know.
But do not say stolen account please. you can change your negative trust to other reason because you do not have any proofs about scamming.
My English bad i know because i Speak other 2 language and English is third language to learn in school.
Cheers
you did not buy this account. I can guarantee that. More likely then not it was hacked earlier today, but if that is not the case then it was hacked a little more then 30 days ago. If you really purchased the account then why don't you post proof of purchase? If i send you proof of buying you will delete your bad trust ? sure as long as your proof includes proof of ownership as well. Edit: no response. That's what I thought. |
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Are there any spots for this campaign.
not for scammers no |
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Are you willing to do refund if the account doesnt reach the potential activity you posted?
if you want to work any deal like this then it would be best to use escrow and have the escrow hold the account for a predetermined time frame and would refund the buyer in the event it doesn't have enough activity if it was sufficient posts. |
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I did not say im the real owner, i knew that selling/buying accounts is allowed in this forum so i have bought an account to sell my paypal.
If you want paypal history proof just let me know.
But do not say stolen account please. you can change your negative trust to other reason because you do not have any proofs about scamming.
My English bad i know because i Speak other 2 language and English is third language to learn in school.
Cheers
you did not buy this account. I can guarantee that. More likely then not it was hacked earlier today, but if that is not the case then it was hacked a little more then 30 days ago. If you really purchased the account then why don't you post proof of purchase? |
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I hope that anyone knows who is considering doing business with this person that his account is more likely then not hacked.
If you ignore the fact that PayPal is overall dangerous to trade with, the PayPal account that he will use to send you money will most likely be hacked as well.
wtf man ? Where is the proofs of your talking ? I have money and want to exchange it i have proofs and everything if you want team viewer let me know. so stop your bull shit and get a proof better than you useless talk. Well for one you have horrible english/grammar and the person who previously owned/controlled this account was able to write in "proper" english and posted exclusively in the altcoin section. For the rest of my proof....I don't need to show you  |
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hi
i need 10000 $ itunes gift card every day with off 20%
you can help me?
LOL. No one is going to be able to help you. Not even people who are laundering money via stolen/carded credit cards |
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