I think the fiat for the peg isn't stored with bitfinex, and is not cryptocurrency, but fiat. Essentially, the hack shouldn't affect this, they are related but different things.
If all the tether.USD holders decide to cash out in fiat will their supply be enough? Or if Bitfinex closes down, now who will be the institution responsible for backing all the tether? If there is no confidence then I could see Poloniex and the others delisting it. Now how will the holders cash out?
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I would like to see ETC staying PoW and let ETH go PoS... I think PoS will be a disaster like all other PoS coins ever, long term something always goes south.
I think the ETH will not convert to PoS in the next few years. It has supported a big industry and the hard forked was supported by miners. The next few years? The Ethereum development team has already said that they will switch to Casper in 9 months. So expect another fork. Some speculators even say we may even have 3 or 4 Ethereums next year due to more forks thanks to Vitalik.
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So, the thread is all about rockets now? Do not worry. We will go back to the shouting guy gifs again in the next few days. I speculate that this little rise will not last unless it will reach 50,000 satoshis and stay above that.
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News about this is starting to spread now. The one I heard about only implied that there could be ETH foundation developers involved. Is there really a connection with the white hat hackers and the Ethereum foundation? Some people say yes but I find that hard to believe because the white hat hackers intended to sell the coins and profit from it.I just finished reading the news in the link. Sell ETH out of principle. The Ethereum foundation are a group of scammers and frauds. It is better for Vitalik to retire from crypto. He is done.
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OK here is a clear story of the white hackers and how they were caught red handed and now some of the funds they held are frozen in an exchange. http://themerkle.com/white-hat-hackers-caught-red-handed-during-attempted-etc-sell-off/They intended to sell all the ETC for ETH to use for development of the forked chain. It is allegedly a move orchestrated by the Ethereum foundation. Can someone who has an idea of the whole story tell us how the white hat hackers have a connection to the Ethereum foundation? There is a post here but it is very confusing. Please make it clear for everyone to read well. The hackers are member of the ethereum foundation dev team. The issue has been dissected in detail here as far back as page 147 Then WOW! They are nothing but profit seeking scam artists. This is making me think what if Ethereum was one big scam of dreams and fantasies in the first place? I am now having my doubts about both ETH and ETC. If the members of the foundation are really scam artists then the platform is nothing but one big money maker for them and they do not care if it works as promised or not.
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Yup, still a dumpster fire.
I dare them to dump everything right now to kill ETC while it is weak. If they were really that stupid they would have done it already. But they will not. Why? They are scared that it might be a mistake.
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Tempus thanks for the informative reply. But it looks like there is a correction in price. This may be a good time to add more FCT while it is stable. Or maybe wiat for it to go down more? What do you think?
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I hope ETC (Classic Ethereum) can get some money from the DAO hacker. Without the development, he will not get anything.
There is no need for that. The DAO attacker can do what he wants with his ETC. Charles Hoskinson has already committed in helping ETC's development. He is already in the process of getting the community and the developers together to make a road map, create a governance system, contribute code thru his own developers and hire more developers and he will provide starting funds to maintain development. He will also help in looking for investors willing to put money in ETC's development and growth. Expect this to start in the coming weeks he said. That is good. But if the ETC is not supported by majority of the miners, the ETC chain is not secure enough. It would be illogical to attack ETC. If you have enough hash power why attack it? Why not support it? It will be a profitable proposition for you. Remember the Chinese guy who said he will attack ETC? What is he doing now? He is mining and supporting the platform. He realized attacking and trying to kill ETC is a waste of time and money. It will also be a waste of potential money made by mining. I predict that in a year ETC will have an almost equal hash power as ETH. It is not going away.
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OK here is a clear story of the white hackers and how they were caught red handed and now some of the funds they held are frozen in an exchange. http://themerkle.com/white-hat-hackers-caught-red-handed-during-attempted-etc-sell-off/They intended to sell all the ETC for ETH to use for development of the forked chain. It is allegedly a move orchestrated by the Ethereum foundation. Can someone who has an idea of the whole story tell us how the white hat hackers have a connection to the Ethereum foundation? There is a post here but it is very confusing. Please make it clear for everyone to read well.
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Correct. ETC is nothing like ETH. Yes ETC's agenda is different than that of ETH. They are now diverging.
ETC is out there to develop an immutable blockchain free from a god head like figure that dictates what to do for the benefit of the few. No individual or group will be allowed to make decisions that will roll back, tweak and tinker with the transaction history. ETC I suspect will also stay with POW far much longer than ETH. So miners are welcome to make the switch. It is they who are needed to secure the network and help it grow. In one year I speculate that ETC's hash rate will be equal ETH's hash rate if they have not switched to Casper yet.
If the ETC becomes PoW only coins, I think most miners will mine it if it survives the dump of the DAO hacker. You are overestimating the whole "DAO hacker will dump" thing. It will not kill ETC, the original chain will continue to be developed, there will be growth and will live on. So my suggestion is to split your ETH to the equivalent amount of ETC you can get and hold them. Dumping them would be pointless because there is value in having a stake in both platforms. There is good news on the ETC side. Charles Hoskinson has committed in helping the ETC community to get organized and create a road map, set up a system of governance, contribute code and get his developers to work on ETC and finally he is providing some funds from his own money to maintain development. He also mentioned that he will be looking for investors to raise money for the platform. The interview where he mentioned it is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXc4lxBqkBw
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Is it not risky to commit to this? According to the zcash team the algo could change in the future which may or may not allow GPU mining.
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Do not be carried away by this latest rise in price for now. But continue watching and wait for a better situation to buy. The last thing ETC needs is people riding the pump only for the manipulators to dump again. Stability is more important and an increasing hash rate.
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What altcoin? It will not matter because it will not even put a dent on bitcoin's dominance. For a little while I thought that Ethereum had the potential to compete with bitcoin. After the hard fork I realized it was never going to dominate from the moment it was created.
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MAL SPEAKING AGAIN: SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG - DOESN'T THIS MEAN 7.8M ETH (9.5% OF TOTAL SUPPLY) ARE ABOUT TO BE IRREVERSIBLY CONVERTED TO ETC? What's the total spendable coins on each blockchain if this goes through?
No, these coins already existed as ETC and in any case a conversion can't be "irreversible" (coins don't disappear if you sell them). Although it's interesting that they have some ETH and some BTC too, so probably dumped part of the loot already and now may need to rebuy? Not sure about that part. Edit: 3.something million ETC, 21k ETH, and zero BTC in those addresses. So ~4 million ETC unaccounted for. Perhaps on exchanges, perhaps some of it has been dumped already. Very messy, very un-white-hattish. If the goal was to return coins, you return coins, you don't fuck around with exchange rates. https://gastracker.io/addr/0x1ac729d2db43103faf213cb9371d6b42ea7a830fhttps://etherscan.io/address/0xd3b0b4fc31ee1f8570c75c19caa93cc1557e538fhttps://blockchain.info/address/3JYwxuaHGKt8rZ9NbTEcyYRXtqkfN5Lz5YI am beginning to think that the white hat hacking group is also a part of the black hat hacking group. Maybe we are all very gullible to even realize this. They could also be part of the Ethereum community playing us for fools.
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wish i would have participated when the stakes were nearly for free, but i bought some now.
Yes me too. But to be honest I thought NEM looked like a scam because they only used NXT to organize an ICO. I am not saying anything bad about NXT, in fact I am a supporter of that too. There was too many assets that did not deliver their promise in the NXT asset exchange so I thought NEM would be one of them. That is another good opportunity lost.
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Correct. ETC is nothing like ETH. Yes ETC's agenda is different than that of ETH. They are now diverging.
ETC is out there to develop an immutable blockchain free from a god head like figure that dictates what to do for the benefit of the few. No individual or group will be allowed to make decisions that will roll back, tweak and tinker with the transaction history. ETC I suspect will also stay with POW far much longer than ETH. So miners are welcome to make the switch. It is they who are needed to secure the network and help it grow. In one year I speculate that ETC's hash rate will be equal ETH's hash rate if they have not switched to Casper yet.
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ETC without Vitalik Buterin is not real Ethereum at all. Respect!
Vitalik != Ethereum. Either one can live without the other just fine. But if you really want Vitalik you can have him. ETC does not need anyone who panics and makes stupid decisions. He used to have an image of a boy genius who will save the world. He is nothing but a profit seeking little kid now. That is his new image. It will take a long time for that to go away.
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Banano that is a good point and I did not think of it that way until now. I am looking at it as 2 coins struggling for dominance but there should be cooperation. They are only hurting each other and that very unproductive. Why would ETH want to undermine or kill ETC? All ETH prefork has the equivalent amount of ETC. They are all stake holders from both sides so it would be better for them if both are successful.
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Some thoughts for your question:
The Fork itself will not determine weather ETC or ETH will be successful in the long run. but it did fuck over the original holders of Etherium by making them choose a path so to speak, if they chose wrong it could be devastating. However it is entirely possible for both coins to do well, ongoing.
You are wrong. All ETH prefork have the equivalent amount of ETC. So it is not making them "choose" which path they should go. They can go both paths and it is advisable that they should hold both ETH and ETC. In the future both will diverge and it will be correct to cheer for the success of both. The success of one or the other will make the value of your portfolio higher.
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I hope ETC (Classic Ethereum) can get some money from the DAO hacker. Without the development, he will not get anything.
There is no need for that. The DAO attacker can do what he wants with his ETC. Charles Hoskinson has already committed in helping ETC's development. He is already in the process of getting the community and the developers together to make a road map, create a governance system, contribute code thru his own developers and hire more developers and he will provide starting funds to maintain development. He will also help in looking for investors willing to put money in ETC's development and growth. Expect this to start in the coming weeks he said.
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