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11381  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 19, 2014, 10:24:12 PM
The most "shilled" coin ever, and it still can't get off the ground.

It's one of those coins where very small orders are made to give the pretence of lots of trade, or where people just buy ttheir own coins hoping to suck a few people into the process.

Wow, this would be a serious allegation, if you had verifiable evidence, but I'm guessing you don't, so just more FUD to remind us we are doing something right. Thanks!





 
11382  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 19, 2014, 09:35:40 PM
I have not tried that one, but I'm sure others have. Now that you have identified it, perhaps someone can make an informed recommendation. Failing that I would try one of the releases I mentioned.

12.10 Ubuntu


What distro are you using. I've used Ubuntu 12.04 and 14.04 (LTS versions) and had no problems building (although in the latter case you have to install an alternate version of boost).  I think I also tried 13.10 without any problems.

Otila / Binery...

I now have gcc 4.8 installed [ check via gcc --version] and still I have different compilation errors when running 'make' from bitmonero folder. Errors received:


Linking CXX executable bitmonerod
lto1: fatal error: LTO_tags out of range: Range is 0 to 368, value is 32141
compilation terminated.
lto-wrapper: /usr/bin/c++ returned 1 exit status
/usr/bin/ld: lto-wrapper failed
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]: *** [src/bitmonerod] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/xxxx/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/daemon.dir/all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/xxxx/bitmonero/build/release'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/xxxx/bitmonero/build/release'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2

Im about to give up until I can find a 64bit windows computer














:~$ $(which gcc) --version
gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-2ubuntu1) 4.7.2
Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.






quote author=hughjays77 link=topic=583449.msg7921577#msg7921577 date=1405765405]
No such file or directory

Are you sure  the command ./gcc --version is correct ?


what, sudo apt-get install gcc-4.8 says I alread have latest version


Im not a linux expert..just trying to use my headless linux mining rig to setup Monero as its the only 64bit system I have and I have been having problems getting the deamon to work on my 32bit Win 7 system.

I just tried sudo apt-get install gcc

and it says I alreay have the latest version.

The bug has been fixed ages ago, try installing gcc-4.8 if gcc-4.7 is unmaintained in your distro.



You may have two versions installed, are you actually using 4.8? Check with ./gcc --version

[/quote]
11383  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 19, 2014, 09:30:59 PM
Hey,

When do you think the miners will dump? 0.001 maybe?

Or it has already happened?

Some miners are dumping all the time. Remember, there are 1440 blocks per day, which is around 22000 coins per day.  There is always a mix of miners who sell right away and those who hang on to the coins for some period of time.

It seems there is a big increase in selling now when the coin goes much above 0.005. It may be that early miners and/or early investors begin taking profits in large numbers at those prices. Of course that moves the coins to buyers who are now not looking to take profits until the price goes significantly higher. But this is all speculation on my part.



I meant 0.01...

The thing is. I'm not very BTC wealthy (nor fiat wealthy either lol) and I would like get a feeling of if it was possible to gamble part of my monero in an initial oscilation in price.

But I guess its difficult to guess, huh?

Past performance is no guarantee of anything, but in the past your observation has been correct. Well below 0.005 (especially below 0.003) has been a good time to buy and well above 0.005 (especially anything close to 0.01) has been a good time to sell.

If the coin continues to be successful it will certainly break 0.01 decisively at some point, but I have no idea when that will happen if ever.

Let's move this over to the Monero speculation thread though.

11384  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 19, 2014, 09:12:53 PM
Hey,

When do you think the miners will dump? 0.001 maybe?

Or it has already happened?

Some miners are dumping all the time. Remember, there are 1440 blocks per day, which is around 22000 coins per day.  There is always a mix of miners who sell right away and those who hang on to the coins for some period of time.

It seems there is a big increase in selling now when the coin goes much above 0.005. It may be that early miners and/or early investors begin taking profits in large numbers at those prices. Of course that moves the coins to buyers who are now not looking to take profits until the price goes significantly higher. But this is all speculation on my part.

11385  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero or Bytecoin? on: July 19, 2014, 09:10:00 PM
The difference between most open source software and altcoins is that when open source software is forked, the fork retains everything that the original had. Take OpenOffice and LibreOffice for example. An OpenOffice user had nothing to lose by switching to LibreOffice. Therefore the community benefits and everyone wins. When a coin is forked, everything is retained EXCEPT the original blockchain. When this blockchain dies, so do the investments of an entire community who believed in the old coin's success. If I were a Bytecoin investor, it would be in my best interests to see Monero die. If I were a Monero investor, the opposite would be true. If either coin becomes dominant over the other, the community wouldn't win. Rather, one community would win at the expense of the other.

This only means that the barrier to getting community support for a fork is higher, and when the community does support the fork, that is a stronger vote of "no confidence" in the original developer.

Anyone can fork anything, but no one can force the community to support the fork. That is up to the community.

11386  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 19, 2014, 08:48:20 PM
What distro are you using. I've used Ubuntu 12.04 and 14.04 (LTS versions) and had no problems building (although in the latter case you have to install an alternate version of boost).  I think I also tried 13.10 without any problems.

Otila / Binery...

I now have gcc 4.8 installed [ check via gcc --version] and still I have different compilation errors when running 'make' from bitmonero folder. Errors received:


Linking CXX executable bitmonerod
lto1: fatal error: LTO_tags out of range: Range is 0 to 368, value is 32141
compilation terminated.
lto-wrapper: /usr/bin/c++ returned 1 exit status
/usr/bin/ld: lto-wrapper failed
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]: *** [src/bitmonerod] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/xxxx/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/daemon.dir/all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/xxxx/bitmonero/build/release'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/xxxx/bitmonero/build/release'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2

Im about to give up until I can find a 64bit windows computer














:~$ $(which gcc) --version
gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-2ubuntu1) 4.7.2
Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.






quote author=hughjays77 link=topic=583449.msg7921577#msg7921577 date=1405765405]
No such file or directory

Are you sure  the command ./gcc --version is correct ?


what, sudo apt-get install gcc-4.8 says I alread have latest version


Im not a linux expert..just trying to use my headless linux mining rig to setup Monero as its the only 64bit system I have and I have been having problems getting the deamon to work on my 32bit Win 7 system.

I just tried sudo apt-get install gcc

and it says I alreay have the latest version.

The bug has been fixed ages ago, try installing gcc-4.8 if gcc-4.7 is unmaintained in your distro.



You may have two versions installed, are you actually using 4.8? Check with ./gcc --version

[/quote]
11387  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 19, 2014, 08:28:02 PM
Funny how what was supposed to be a joke threafs ended up with actual content Smiley

Also funny how this thread that has now evolved into a new discussion of Monero grew out of a complaint about Monero having too many threads. Streisand effect at its best.

11388  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 19, 2014, 08:26:10 PM
The Bitcoin API is fundamentally broken - it assumes that the daemon (that syncs up to the network) and the wallet are the same thing.

There is more to it than that. The only way to use the Bitcoin API is if the coin is almost identical to Bitcoin itself, which is why 99% of the hundreds of worthless pump-and-dump altcoin clones use the Bitcoin API.

A coin that actually does anything fundamentally new or differently compared to Bitcoin (which is certainly the case for Monero) will need to have a different API.

If anything "uses the Bitcoin API" is a strong clue that you are looking at a worthless clone coin.

11389  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero or Bytecoin? on: July 19, 2014, 08:18:29 PM
Monero and Fantomcoin, the rest of cryptonote coins are legit jokes.

Oh, you gotta be joking then.

Thats an interesting logic there. We all know that Fantomcoin and Monero are Bytecoin's forks. So if we call Bytecoin a joke, Monero and Fantomcoin become forks of a joke which sounds absolutely unpresentable.  Grin

There is this popular myth in the altcoin space that "forks" are inherently bad, which follows from the (correct) observation that most if not all bitcoin "forks" have been done as pump-and-dump scams.

But the underlying premise is false. If you understand the history of open source software, forks are both intended and desirable, and even necessary to maintain a balance of power between developers and the wider community. Specifically when the original developer goes in a direction the wider community does not support, then other developers are able to fork, and the community is able to move its support from the original to the fork.

This is exactly what happened with Bytecoin and the premine/ninjamine/whatever, trolling, sock puppet accounts, non-transparent history and developers, etc.

This kind of shady behavior was not supported or accepted by the community which is why nearly all support (as measured by hash rate, trading volume, thread views, or any other sensible metric) has shifted to Monero.

Bytecoin could have capitalized on its position as the first cryptonote coin and maintained a leadership position, but they blew it. They have no one to blame but themselves.





11390  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Making a new coin that is truly CPU only? on: July 19, 2014, 07:50:24 AM
It is probably not possible. GPUs are just computers. Anything a CPU can do, a GPU can also do.

There are coins that narrow the gap though, usually by reducing the degree of parallelism (the greatest advantage of GPUs), relying on memory latency (where GPUs aren't any better than CPUs), or relying on special hardware (for example AES encryption) that exists in CPUs but not GPUs. Or some combination of all of these.

Take a look at the Cryptonote coins (the most popular by far is Monero). Although there are GPU miners, they aren't really much (if any) faster than CPUs after adjusting for cost and power usage. CPUs are at least competitive.

Memorycoin also has a relatively small gap between CPU mining and GPU mining (about 2x).
11391  Economy / Securities / Re: [NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING | POOL | COINS on: July 19, 2014, 07:42:13 AM
I recently received my Nasty Mining silver coin. It is beautiful. Thank you very much.

But I am really at a loss as to what it can do for me. Do I mine to the address of the coin? If so, how do I spend or transfer Bitcoin credited to the coin? Etc.?

I really do not know or understand these things at the moment.

Thanks again.

To elaborate on what OgNasty explained, the purpose of the coin is to serve as a long term investment and "cold storage" vehicle. Any donations from nasty fans will go to the coin automatically, increasing its value over time. You can send more bitcoins there, but they should be coins you are prepared to keep untouched ("in cold storage") for the long term.
11392  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 19, 2014, 07:32:09 AM
Bug in whatever version of gcc you are using. Try a different version.

trying to compile in linux via :

git clone git://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero && cd bitmonero && make

Error received is below. Can anyone help.




Preprocessed source stored into /tmp/cc1VdVQB.out file, please attach this to your bugreport.
make[3]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/daemon.dir/daemon/daemon.cpp.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/xxxx/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/daemon.dir/all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/xxxx/bitmonero/build/release'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/xxxx/bitmonero/build/release'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2
xxxx@xxxx5:~/bitmonero$ /home/xxxx/bitmonero/src/daemon/daemon.cpp:243:1: internal compiler error:                                              in get_expr_operands, at tree-ssa-operands.c:1035
-bash: /home/xxxx/bitmonero/src/daemon/daemon.cpp:243:1:: No such file or directory
xxxx@xxxx5:~/bitmonero$ /home/xxxx/bitmonero/src/daemon/daemon.cpp:243:1: internal compiler error:                                              in get_expr_operands, at tree-ssa-operands.c:1035
-bash: /home/xxxx/bitmonero/src/daemon/daemon.cpp:243:1:: No such file or directory

11393  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [CLOSED] Spondoolies-Tech SP30 pre-order - Specs: 0.69$/GH + 0.46W/GH on: July 19, 2014, 06:46:13 AM
Yesterday Israel called up 18000 reservists and today additional reservists were called in. The engineers at Spondolies tech will drop everything to serve their county once called.

What is the purpose of this FUD? Israel has 3 million reservists, 65 thousand have been called. That is a bit over 2%. The chance this affects any Spondoolies engineers (much less the team as a whole) is pretty small, even assuming they are of military age.



11394  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 19, 2014, 06:30:46 AM
what you guys think about Storj, especially compared to MaidSafe?
http://storj.io/

Looks much more legit than the Maidsafe scam.

Please explain what you call the Maidsafe scam. I'm not familiar with it.
11395  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 19, 2014, 06:14:35 AM
With a higher mix in, does this raise the transaction fee?

Is there a limit of mix in to 30?

Cheers  Cool

It makes the transaction larger so once we have a market mechanism that is a function of scarcity of block space than it will. But at this time there is no block space scarcity and so no bidding for inclusion so no extra fee. At least that is my experience.

Correct, furthermore there is currently no mechanism in the standard software to even change the fee at all. It is always 0.005 per transaction, regardless of size.

During periods of high transaction volume (and there have been some, especially during pumps), larger transactions may take somewhat longer to get into a block.
11396  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 19, 2014, 05:37:41 AM
How do I convert my money locked up by capital controls into coin otherwise?

Maybe you don't. You head off to the new frontier with just the clothes on your back as many of our ancestors did.
11397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 19, 2014, 05:33:01 AM
I heard Monero devs are spammers who are creating many threads to cover up some funny businesss. Is it true?

11398  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 19, 2014, 05:28:33 AM
smooth, excellent point. I agree entirely. KYC, AML, and taxes is the wrench in the gears.

Thus we see that Bitcoin is mature already at 20% of its adoption (but digital currency adoption is still in the innovator phase).

This is largely contradictory. If it is still in the innovator phase, then it very likely is not at 20% adoption. I argue it is at approximately 0% adoption. But as you point out many technologies do fail at the innovator stage. We can't curve fit only to the survivors.

No contradiction. You failed to read or digest what I wrote about the Ford Model T upthread?

Try reading again please.

No I agree with that. But my point is that without knowing the shape of the curve, you can't estimate a percentage of adoption. You have a chart up there of all successful technologies, and they have very different adoption curves even (or perhaps especially) at the early part of the curve. Electricity, automobiles, and dishwashers all have very different early adoption curves. We don't even have graphs for unsuccessful technologies (and it is likely infeasible to ever create one), so we don't even know what failures look like.

Bitcoin is in an extreme early adoption phase where it may look like one of several different successful early adoption curves, or it may look like one of the unseen failure curves, or it may be somewhat unique. I don't think we know.

11399  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 19, 2014, 05:21:57 AM
smooth, excellent point. I agree entirely. KYC, AML, and taxes is the wrench in the gears.

Thus we see that Bitcoin is mature already at 20% of its adoption (but digital currency adoption is still in the innovator phase).

This is largely contradictory. If it is still in the innovator phase, then it very likely is not at 20% adoption. I argue it is at approximately 0% adoption. But as you point out many technologies do fail at the innovator stage. We can't curve fit only to the survivors.


11400  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 19, 2014, 05:12:45 AM
Everyone who comes in now will come in only through an exchange. No one will be mining.

No, people will come in through commerce. If you sell an item on ebay or some ebay-competitor, you may prefer to accept payment in bitcoins rather than deal with paypal. Or you may perform services on fiverr or some similar site, and again accept payment in bitcoin. Craigslist posts often call for payment in bitcoin (of course, many craiglist posts seem to be scams, but you get the point).

Or socially, as you say. Most of my friends who have ever touched a bitcoin have received it from me, either as payment for some transaction ("If you download Multibit or Electrum, I can send you bitcoins for that $20 I owe you." "OK, cool, I'll try that."), or as a small gift.

Exchanges have a high barrier to entry (paperwork, etc.) It is actually hard to see what is useful enough about bitcoin for people to want to ever deal directly with an exchange.

As pertains to use of bitcoin (as opposed to speculation in bitcoin -- where certainly people will deal with exchanges), you have this exactly backwards.  

EDIT: As far as mining goes, I think you are overly obsessed with it. Even in the idea of a fully decentralized mining economy, mining will still be competitive which means $100 worth of electricity will be bring you approximately $100 worth of bitcoins. That's not enough to be of particular interest to anyone, at least not anyone in developed countries. Most people will never build mining farms of any kind, whether that involves CPUs, CPUs, ASICs, or anything else. Mining is a narrow subspecialty of interest to approximately no one. My preferred version of mining is simply for a client to turn mining on by default (or with a simple check box once at installation) the way BitTorrent clients upload by default. That alone should be enough to get many millions mining, and provide a very decentralized network, but they won't making a lot (if anything) from it. (Ideally they'd be making nothing, since there would then be no incentive for commercial miners.)
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