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1141  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you make gambling a profession - a full time job on: February 05, 2024, 04:24:56 PM
The career should be a secure future where the career should be built around that. One's personal decision is the most important one behind building a career. Many people spend time gambling but they do not prioritize gambling behind career building.
It is possible to build a career in gambling when there are profits from gambling but no losses. But in every gamble there will be both profit and loss but to build a career there must be a guarantee of huge amount of income on gambling. It is not possible to guarantee a huge amount of income on gambling so no one would want to build a career on gambling.
If you are talking about career I think it's very different from a profession, you can actually get a profession in different careers so adding gambling as a profession amongst all others is very possible but will be give less attention or time but then it's still depends on the gambler and it's still possible he could decide to Chase a career in gambling but it will be different.

Chasing a career in gambling will involve some innovation and creativity beyond the regular, let me give further insight, the people who program the slot machines and also create the algorithm for the virtual and casino games are actually career people but then they are not directly involved in placing bets and hoping to be lucky, they are behind the luck you wish for but by virtue of their policies they can't turn this luck around for their selves else the casino bis definitely going to suffer. So building a career in gambling doesn't end with just placing bets and hoping on luck to win but beyond that is still a career.
1142  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling Management on: February 05, 2024, 04:15:32 PM
agree that managing bankroll is quite an important thing that gamblers need to do because when they cannot control their bankroll and play as they wish, then it can be predicted that their gambling will not be good for themselves. so a gambler needs to manage their bankroll and be disciplined about it. maybe at first it will be difficult, because they are used to gambling as they please and there is always a desire to gamble more, but if they continue to be trained and disciplined towards this then gamblers can gamble more responsibly and with an allocated bankroll.
Playing as you Wish is something you so if you don't have strategic plans on bankroll management and that means you could go bankrupt at any point and loose the capacity to be able to gamble but I'd you have got a good bankroll management and you are very keen to it, you have better chances of staying longer gambling till you are lucky.

Sometimes reckless gambling can be profitable but this doesn't happen often, most times we gamble reckless we end up loosing all our funds and it's only a few times you can get lucky and probably hit it big at once but then it's very important you make sure you always be on the safe side my managing your funds well enough so you don't end them in regrets, discipline to staying true to your bankroll rules helps you  a lot to staying very responsible gambling but it takes a few who actually keeps to such gambling rules and discipline .
1143  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your gambling life could affect your relatives lifes. on: February 05, 2024, 04:02:07 PM
I understand that it is already affecting him as someone who is related, however, gaming and gambling aren’t the same. That’s what I’ve been trying to say. Gaming is done for fun than gambling which people’s primary aim is to make money, or I should say double money. Gamers can make good and stable money that isn’t based on probability or predicting.

Generally, for anything that has to do with money, your relative will likely pester you to help them which then becomes disturbing. But you mustn’t give them, especially when the need is for something that isn’t smart(like gambling). Then you don’t really have to feel burdened.
There is actually a thin line difference between both because some how it takes only a little interest and a gamer turns to a gambler, because a gamer most times Play these games probably sports games in virtual form and get a very insight into what the actual game looks like in reality so they will not find difficulty gambling.

The most difference is that gambling you are staking your money while gaming you are just having fun without much at stake but at some point you may have to spend a few cash to get to certain level gambling. So it's very possible the relative could still pester to be able to afford wifi subscription and other things they will need to game. Who so ever games alot or probably is addicted to game should be kept under some kind of watch before they further grow into gambling because for them it's an opportunity to make money from what they do for fun.
1144  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Pay off DEBT by do Gambling? think again before you loss more on: February 05, 2024, 03:52:17 PM
His mistake is panic gambling. A gambler is not supposed to rush into staking money, without having a backup. Spending all his funds at a go is not proper, he's meant to reconsider his chances of winning. I've read of men who did spend their last card and were able to double it through gambling. But it's not same for everybody. Since we all have unique strategies of gambling, it wouldn't be nice to hope on gambling to solve our financial trouble. The gambler may end up causing himself more harm than good, as his results could be unsuccessful. That doesn't mean the guy in the picture wasn't responsible at some point, he only faced a real-life challenge which landed him into a bigger trouble. So, even if one is a responsible gambler, he could find himself in a state of mind where he wouldn't be able to control his choices and decisions anymore. Thereby leading him to a very hard life condition.
Sometimes gambling isn't just about trying to win but successfully gambling and yet staying responsible enough regardless of the outcome of the results the game on which you did gambled, some persons want to solve their financial problems with gambling and yet they lack a good strategy with which they gamble and that Alone is wrong as a good gambler.

There are strategy that worked for others but may not work for another because we all have our presence and we don't have the same kind mindset or approach towards how we want to achieve that which we aim to achieve gambling. Some persons get lucky staking their last money and it turns out to be multiplied and help them solve some of their financial issues but the others may try same and still lose everything, if you don't get that Lucky often then it will be better you just don't spend your last cash gambling, wait until you have got enough to spare then give it a trial.
1145  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: February 05, 2024, 03:42:24 PM
but I don't want to see him coach any team. he is very good on the field, and he is also very good at encouraging his teammates. he can be the driving force of the team. and everything he has built amazingly, I hope it won't be destroyed when he coaches a club.
We have seen several names of top European players who have decided to train clubs. there are successful ones like Xavi and Xabi. but some always fail and even get cursed by fans.
If Ronaldo has to retire at Al Nassr, that wouldn't be a bad ending for him.
I don't think writing him off even before he gives it a trial is logical enough because like you did stated there are other European players who after retirement has been able to get back to coaching and they are in no way do bad, they have been able to achieve some good success so far except for a few who has performed poorly.

Xabi is someone that you wouldn't believe would achieve such great success at the beginning of his career as a coach but then so far he has don what some big and experienced coach will have not been able to achieve with a team that doesn't even have a big name in their domestic league and across Europe earlier so it's such a great height that is very much deserving of commendation even if he's yet to win the leagues title but he's got a very good trial at he's first attempt, so it's very possible Ronald could achieve something great in coaching career after retirement from actively playing football.
1146  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: February 05, 2024, 03:31:15 PM
Actually, Bayern Munich is a really good team this season as well. Their performance thus far is quite intriguing since nearly every player is currently working hard to demonstrate that they can defeat any squad they face. Regarding Manchester City, anyone attempting to criticize the team for their poor performance this season is simply demonstrating a lack of interest in them, otherwise, who can look at Manchester City's performance this season and conclude that the team is weak? Their performance has improved significantly since two of the Manchester City players returned back from injury.
I can dispute how well Bayern Munich has performed so far this season and this includes in their domestic and champions league performance so far which has undoubtedly taken the this far they have come both in the champions league and in the premier league this season and I see them as having great potential for either of both leagues.

I don't really understand what you mean by Manchester city poor performance this season because to the best of my knowledge they only had a few set back when they were faced with some challenges and this is usually normal with every team to at a point in time they are been faced by a challenge to have a slow down in their performance and some team ends up not been able to survive it till the end of the season but in the case of Manchester city they have so far gotten up their feet and are even better and looking forward to probably win the champions or premier league this season.
1147  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: February 05, 2024, 03:20:24 PM

Lyon team is not in good form this season. Even after winning this match, the team is at the 15th place in the points table. But in this match I expected marseille to win. Marseille were in good form at the start of the season. But their performance in the last matches is very poor. They have drawn in the last three matches. And in the last match they lost 1-0 against Lyon in Marseille.

However, the Lyon players played very well in the match. They dominated the match. A total of 12 shots were made by Lyon players. 7 of these were on target. However I don't see the possibility of seeing Marseille in the top 3 of the points table anymore.
Practically Lyon just got lucky and the luck has helped pulled them out of the relegation not like they are a good team or anything they just probably got lucky and did defend their luck till the end of the game because it was Avery important they get such point to help them get the needed push out of relegation and probably hope to still be in the Ligue 1 by the end of the season.

Marseille was my favorite in that game, although they were playing from home, I still didn't see it as a weakness or as a reason to loose because placing both teams side by side I found out that Marseille had a better form, depth and even performance so far them Lyon but the. As the incident of football do happen, not all the times the best team do win, sometimes the weak team gets lucky and then the best team end up sharing points or loosing it all to the weak team, this had almost no effect on Marseille so there's almost no big deal in it but it was a saver for Lyon.
1148  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: February 05, 2024, 02:35:34 PM
Real Madrid's miss gave Girona another chance as they looked to overtake Real Madrid again in the next match.  But although this is a big opportunity for Girona, it is doubtful whether Girona will be able to take advantage of the opportunity because the next match Girona will play against Real Madrid. That match is very important for both teams.  Whichever team wins that day will qualify for the number one position in the points table. If Real Madrid wins the match then Real Madrid will lead by more than 3 points which will make it very difficult for other teams to dislodge them from the first position.
Talking about qualifying for the position of the top team I don't think there's any qualifications with league games like this except for tournaments where teams from other leagues are coming to play but I understand that to be at the top of the la Liga table, that fixture will really have a lot to do for both teams and they are both away of how crucial the game is.

I still believe real Madrid is going to further strengthen their position at the top of the table by winning the game against girona in their next fixture even if Giron will still prove difficult to beat because they want to get back at the top of the table again where they once were, but then if they win and get ahead of Madrid, I'm sure Madrid will still be able to get ahead of them because two points isn't enough for them not to be able to cover up for in the shortest time but Girona may not be able to do same if they lose.
1149  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: February 05, 2024, 02:25:17 PM
In my opinion, whether or not they have popular players for a club is not a big problem, provided they have good teamwork, because in football what is more important is teamwork and also the chemistry between players. For now, Leverkusen can show that, even though they don't have many big names, collectively, in my opinion, their team is better than Bayern Munich.
It is natural that Bayern Munich has good teamwork, because the players they have are above the average for clubs in the Bundesliga. Their second line of players is no less good than the main players.
Meanwhile, Leverkusen doesn't have that, with a composition of players that is no better, even as a coach, they only have Xabi, who in terms of experience is very different from the Bayern Munich coach, but Xabi can make very interesting games for Leverkusen.
Leverkusen do not really have big names but they have so far by their performance made name for themselves even amongst them a few players have begin to gain attention because their performance are now exceptional and are deserving of the attention they are beginning to get, players such as victor Boniface has gained some attention resulting from his performance.

Like you have stated correctly some times it's not about the big names you have got in your team but how well these players have got the team spirit and are been managed well enough to deliver the desired results required of them because if they are all playing for individual glory they will find it really difficult helping the team move forward because they want to set individual records which at times it turns out at the detriment of the team, Leverkusen's teams spirit has really helped them a lot no doubts and so far they will make good team even after this season if the players don't get sold.
1150  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: February 05, 2024, 02:15:43 PM
Inter Milan had many opportunities which almost became goals in that match. Likewise with Juventus. But indeed both teams have very strong defenses. And this is what makes it difficult for both teams to score goals.
Both team has got a good defense system that I would want to really commend but I see inter Milan have good resistance and exercising good confidence in their defense much more than I see with Juventus the both did player well and the performance was a good one but some how Juventus wasn't favoured well enough at the end of the day.

Inter is really doing great because they still have their team in great form and considering they are yet to be involved in another game except for the serie A games until they resume the UCL games again, but then Juventus has got all their focus on This as this is the only cup they have got a chance at this season but so far I have some doubts around their fate and I don't know if their ban at the UCL has been lifted so they could use qualifications for the UCL as an achievement the got from this season else they got almost nothing from this season.
1151  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: February 05, 2024, 02:03:20 PM
Manchester United are not stable but this winning helps them to have 8 points less than Aston Villa with same played matches. They will have to beat not only Aston Villa but also Tottenham Hotspur and they will need to have very excellent next months to beat those competitors. This winning is important for them to continue their good form and avoid to be fallen too far behind those clubs.

However, Manchester United still have a long way to go and beat those competitors with 6 points and 8 points less. Tottenham will have Son Heung Min return after AFC Asian Cup and they will be stronger in attacking. Aston Villa with 8 points more look too far but they are not too experience and it seems Manchester United will race directly with Tottenham in coming months for a fourth position.
Manchester united managed to gain victory over Westham yesterday was quite a good one but it's still not enough to redeem their glory as they will need much more than just that to be able to secure a spot at least amongst top four team, the performance of Manchester united this season isn't encouraging and yesterday I literally struggled to go see that game

Tottenham is looking very much formidable to the point that I'm scared if Manchester united will succeed in the race for the fourth position with them because they are strengthen the team with the return of their injured players and son who went for the Asian cup to defend his country, the return of all these team mates will make the team get a better form than they did had, Manchester united didn't ha e any of it's player going for any tournament yet thsy still didn't look inform against other teams in the absence of their players so I doubt if Manchester will do better against a complete spur squad in the race to the court position on the table.
1152  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The scam of FAKE fixed matches on: February 05, 2024, 01:52:52 PM
Before falling prey to such scams we need to know everything well. Match fixing scams are more often they lure you with various types of information from different sites then you should understand that these are scams. A good site does not require match fixing to play safely. Match fixing can't keep it up for long and will be leaked so try to assess your losses. Avoid investing money in any such site after knowing the scam.
We may not know whether the match has been arranged or is running normally because we are just watching or only placing bets on that match. Trusted casino sites will not fix matches, and they will always provide the best for their gamblers to get the best experience when they gamble on the site. To avoid scam casino sites, you don't need to try to deposit money on a gambling site directed by someone you don't know, even if he is a streamer who has many followers. You can search for sports betting sites yourself, even from this forum, you can find many trusted sports betting sites so you can place bets on these sites.
Well I don't know how reliable it is when it come to the information of fixed games because the last time I can remember these games are not played by controlled robots which could be said of them that they were programed to produce such results at such times so I really do find it difficult to believe in fixed matches since humans are the once playing such games.

If one understands sports games so we'll then the issues of fixed game will be something then we wouldn't  be brotherd so much about and think of placing our money on such to the point you get scammed, I also wonder why would you want to get involved with a third part to able to fund your gambling wallet as it doesn't sound reasonable to me because why wouldn't you just go ahead on the site and explore various funding options and pick that which suits you and fund your wallet then go ahead and bet rather than involving a third-party that can get you scammed, that's too risky. Even if it's a streamer, always make sure to fund on the site directly.
1153  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Another Two Category Of Gamblers That We Are Not Aware Of on: February 05, 2024, 01:41:09 PM
I have seen a lot of members posting different kinds and types of gamblers but I doubt if they already know these two types of gamblers, I have not seen anyone posting these two types of gamblers yet.

Action Gambler
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Action gamblers are usually domineering, controlling, manipulative men with large egos. They see themselves as friendly, sociable, gregarious and generous. Their average IQ is over 120. They are energetic, assertive, persuasive and confident. In spite of all this, they usually have low self-esteem. Historically, they started gambling at an early age, often in their teens, by placing small bets on sporting events or playing cards with friends or relatives. They progress through the four phases of the disorder over a ten to thirty year time span. Action compulsive gamblers gamble primarily at “skill” games such as poker or other card games, horse and dog racing and sports betting. These gamblers dominate both legal and illegal sports betting.
I see a very big mix up in this description of yours as it seem to be conflicting it self as I try to understand it because I seem not to be able to understand how some one will be able to possess all the qualities you did mentioned above and yet such person is still have low self esteem, I mean this doesn't match up at all and it's almost not making Sense to me.

Gambling at early age could over time build your experience and make you a much more better gambler because some how history is bound to repeat it's self so in that case you may have to just use your experience and when you see some events about reoccurring you take advantage of it and you could get your next big hit from such game. These gamblers are usually skilled in some cases no doubts and that's because they have been doing it over the years and are now consider very experienced enough to Play much better than regular newbies.
1154  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do i handle my first gambling experience on: February 05, 2024, 01:30:02 PM
The money gambling offers to players disappears faster than that of those who run a night club business. They're some industries that tend to hand out money to people, but sooner the person isn't left with a dime. How the money was gotten seem fast to the player, and he trusts himself on winning anytime soon. Spending the money recklessly emerges in the person's thoughts, that he wouldn't have the slightest means of getting hold to his self-control skill. So, gamblers must pay attention to their emotional responses to winning big. It'll help them bypass some reckless spending behavior. Newbie gamblers may not be equipped with these advises but can handle how things are being done. Everyone has to stay careful, because it's their money that is at bay, so no need to be less concerned about the usage of our money. Gamblers who forget about maintaining their money, inevitably get stuck in the trap of reckless expenses.
I think this is most common to newbies but there are some normal gamblers or let me call them experienced gamblers too who get excited especially when they break above their biggest win ever and they likely spend reckless after they have won such big amount of money even if they know they don't get that lucky always and should be careful spending .

The excitement of such a win has been the biggest challenge of both experienced and newbie gamblers, if they are able to get over such excitements, they will be able to probably spend responsibly and not exhaust their wins within a very short period of time but when they are not careful enough to not allow the excitement get a greater part of them, then they will most likely still fall victims of reckless spending every time they get lucky and will always get back to scratch again even after a successful big win which was supposed to help them take good care of their selves and reduce how much they gamble.
1155  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: stop the unnecessary blame on gambling whenever you get unlucky on: February 05, 2024, 01:17:29 PM

The possibility of the rich person to make the big winning because of their back up money for the further game.The gamblers who want to make huge money should hold the money for the backup even after the loss.Many poor gamblers will lose the hope and money in the gambling site.So the poor gamblers don’t have any backup money for the further game.This was biggest drawback for the poor gamblers,even after earning good strategies with the loss.The poor gamblers won’t have money to make the continuous winning.So the gamblers who have huge money will create more money from the same gambling site.
Sometimes it's not even about having more back up money but a lot has to be done with strategy, when you have got a very good strategy and risk management even with your little bankroll, you still be able to stay long enough in the game but without a good risk management strategy, it's very obvious you will not last long gambling before you go bankrupt.

The Rich gambler usually have stake but a poor gambler usually low or stake with the minimum amount allowed at a time so the difference is usually with the amount they are able to stake at a time, the rich may have a very big bank roll and divides it into several portions and stake accordingly but a poor gambler with no strategy may put all his bankroll at once so he will be able to equate with the rich guy and when they loose  he's kicked out while the rich still continues because he's got a strategy with which he continues to stay in the game as against that of the poor guy without a strategy but if the poor guy divides his little bankroll in to several portions then he could stay as long as the rich guy too.
1156  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is there any fun in losing while gambling on: February 05, 2024, 01:07:10 PM
For me, I gamble to have fun, not to make money, it's not all about losing in gambling, there are still winners, but most of the others are losers. On my side, gambling is just like games or online games, I spend money to enjoy myself, do you get it? You may have also played online games, that's how I think about gambling, it's a game and it's true that it's fun to play, you just really need to control yourself and budget so you don't overdo it. If you keep losing in every game you play, you really won't be happy and that's really part of gambling and then you stop playing.
Just like online games where you need connectivity to participate and sometimes you pay a few dollars to unlock certain feature so is gambling, their is according to your point of view and I'm definitely agreeing to it because these are almost exact same thing especially for those gambling for entertainment and not for the financial rewards.

Those who gamble to make money may not be able to relate so we'll with your point of view because for them they will think it's not feasible that you spend only little amount in such games but spend big when it has to do with gambling but then actually they spend big gambling because of their quest for more which at some point grow into greed and they may not accept they it's gree that has led to increase in stake which in turn is increased risk, but if you do minimal stake you will get to understand the relationship between online games and gambling except for the financial rewards.
1157  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe visiting a seer or spiritual house could make you win a game? on: February 05, 2024, 12:56:47 PM

I don’t want to hurt the feelings of those who believe in various mythical rituals and soothsayers, but it seems to me that this is in some way an indicator of the intellectual level of people. I would also recommend not looking for a solution to the problem in these rituals. It is better to devote yourself to greater study and understanding of the structure and operation of gambling as a whole, to approach it more from a scientific point of view, and not from an abstract one. After the player has understood a lot, he should study strategies and better develop his own. Of course, something will not work out, but without mistakes we will not achieve success.
These soothsayers some times seem to make correct predictions and when they do it's usually ascribed to their powers and mystical prowess and then people get to believe them and I will not in any way try to judge or make a big deal out of it because it's something that has been proven with results in several occasions and so it's quiet convincing.

Personally I keep an open mind to all these things a.d like you rightly stated sometimes our level of intellectual capacity also play out with our we welcome such and it's very surprising that there are people who appear to have high intellect and all that who still see these as worth doing so I'm such cases you will just have to see it as their believe and they shouldn't be seen any less because of their beliefs as it's literally has nothing much to do with who they may be, sometimes if you are opportune to see the predictions they got from their soothsayer or other sources it's fine to place a bet on such and if they are lucky so will you be but it doesn't mean you share in their beliefs.
1158  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling addiction lead to domestic violence? on: February 05, 2024, 12:41:47 PM
Most times violence in the house can be as a result of idleness. When a man is idle and is supposed to be the bread winner of the house and he is not doing anything to support or back up the family, it annoys him and in most cases, he becomes hostile and aggressive just to  express his frustration. Doing this alone causes violence at home. Gamblers too vent their frustration at home violently when they loses games and this also results to violence in their house.
In as much as they are genuine reason of frustration, they are not a good explanation for such expression of their frustration because such expression will not proffer solution to their situation still so it would be much better they go get a job and help their selves become much more better off than pouring out their frustration in violence.

Such violence never helps the situation rather it only worsen it by causing more harm than good because the family will be harmed by these actions and that will lead to incurring expenses to fixt that which was lost in cause of expressing anger and frustration. Gamblers should always keep their family out of the frustration caused them by gambling and so should their anger aswell be left at the casino and not making their kids, wife or siblings as the case maybe to suffer for that which they are not responsible for .
1159  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: February 05, 2024, 10:20:34 AM
Lyon was able to beat Marseille 1-0. This victory is very important for Lyon because they are out of the relegation zone. I agree with your opinion that even though they are suffering from poor performance, Lyon is still a very experienced team in Ligue 1 and they will definitely find a way to survive in Ligue 1. To be honest, this is a very bad result because last season they were able to rank seventh at the end of the season. But I hope they can stay in Ligue 1 and improve their shortcomings next season.
Even tho I wouldn't commend their last season performance that got them finishing at the seventh position on the table, I will still say this season was almost worse because how will they be at relegation and struggle to getting out although they have been lucky enough to have gotten out of it now, they are not a good team but considerable average team.

The victory yesterday was very essential for their survival in the Ligue 1 els they would find their selves in the Ligue 2 by next season, they are just three points away from the relegation zone of the table all thanks to the victory against Marseille yesterday but then they will still need to maintain their position or possibly make sure to still go up the table if not they still stand a risk of still falling back to the relegation on the table if they get relaxed and not trying to win more games after this which they just won yesterday. Marseille is in a very safe position away from relegation and have nothing much to border about.
1160  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: February 05, 2024, 10:04:21 AM
Liverpool will indeed remain the favorites in the European League. Because even though Liverpool lost yesterday to Arsenal in the Premier League, we have to remember that in that match Liverpool were still not strengthened by M. Salah who was not allowed to play. But when the European League starts, Liverpool will be back with full strength because M. Salah will also be back on the field.

But the presence of Milan will indeed provide more difficulties in the European League. And maybe because of this, people are now starting to share their beliefs and are no longer just favorites with Liverpool. But I think AC Milan will have difficulty in the European League. Because their performance actually sometimes loses its consistency.
Well I wouldn't want to buy into the idea that Liverpool Is dependent on M. Salah for the team strength because some how by implications that's what your post maybe insinuating, Liverpool has won several premier league games after Salah left for AFCON so it's of a fact that they can still do well even in the absence of Salah.

The presence of Salah do affect the performance of Liverpool and that's not in doubt especially when the team seem to have lost hope in most of their games, he usually have this creativity that brings alive their performance once again and they could just get victory by the end of the game and that's why I don't even think of writing them off to becoming the champions of the Europa even after they lost to Arsenal yesterday because they didn't have a bad performance in that game and in the round of sixteen the team facing Liverpool isn't any where compared to Arsenal so Liverpool has still got good future at the Europa
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