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1161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website - 581.4 BTC raised so far on: December 22, 2016, 01:52:20 PM
10 days left of the fund raising period.

Is the 581.4 count still accurte?

It's now 582.6 Smiley
1162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website - 581.4 BTC raised so far on: December 22, 2016, 09:14:38 AM
10 days left of the fund raising period.
1163  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site on: December 18, 2016, 08:51:58 PM
Changed the private message system to work differently.

No more confusion with the pm tab Smiley

Click a user, click message and a private window will pop up with a conversation between you both.

You will get notifications of pm's in the envelope icon at top of page. Click it to see recent conversations.


You can vote for what feature you would like next by voting on this poll
http://www.strawpoll.me/11907182
1164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website - 581.4 BTC raised so far on: December 17, 2016, 10:10:31 PM
You have a profitable business yet you need to sell some. I dont buy it.

How about this for a possible explanation:

While the business is profitable, most of the profit has been from a few large whales. Whale sightings have been getting rarer and rarer. DN worries that BTC whales are going extinct, which would leave him with very little volume, and so he figures it's better to sell 30% of the business for 2000 BTC now while he can boast of relatively high profits over the last year.

That would seem to make sense. While he could end up missing out on a bunch of value if betting volume doesn't die off, it's a hedge against that eventuality.

Much the same as when the commission model switched from taking a percentage of investor profits to taking the commission up front, as a percentage of the *expected* profits. That was a hedge against the site performing badly. It turned out to be a bad decision, since the site performed way better than expected, but it did limit the site's worst-case commission take.

tl;dr: selling 30% of the business now makes sense as a hedge against possible future outcomes

Does it have to be all doom and gloom?

FYI the site has made 154 profit in the past 17 days. There's no worry from me that the traffic will slow or the whales won't come.

It's business. I don't know why you guys don't understand businesses trying to grow. It happens a lot outside the Bitcoin gambling world btw.

I could sit and do nothing and let BetKing make me a good profit for two years if I liked.
But I would rather grow it and bring in players for all forms of betting. Plus a few other revenue streams we have planned.

You see the success of PrimeDice, Bustabit, Nitrogen, Bitcasino.io, Just-Dice and BetKing? I want to build to be so far ahead of all combined by a huge margin.

That's what we're doing raising extra funds here.
Not because I'm scared of traffic decreasing because it's not going to.
1165  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site on: December 17, 2016, 03:12:36 PM
Last weeks rakeback paid into your accounts now.

Good luck
1166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website - 581.4 BTC raised so far on: December 17, 2016, 09:07:22 AM
Investors in the ICO will be happy if they invest and in 2-3 years we sell for £10+ million I imagine.
Indeed.

Thats never going to happen because betking will have no legal obligations to buy out any holders.
I dont like how your trying to scam people betking.
atleast someone brilliant can smell this scam.
like i said, this will be one of the biggest scams on btctalk

Well, you're just the opposite end of the spectrum in that case - no one believes the crazy guy who shouts things and offers no proof whatsoever

I already said that a new company will be setup by my lawyers and accountant for this. So yes I would legally need to pay out dividends or share of sale price.
1167  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site on: December 16, 2016, 10:04:41 PM
We're back!

Very sorry for the delay.
1168  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site on: December 16, 2016, 05:32:58 PM
The site seems to be down/running slow. Can't seem to access the site at all or it loads up party (or keeps loading but is very slow). A couple of times I got on the site but I couldn't do anything.

EDIT: It either gets here sometimes https://gyazo.com/6bb3ee5f36b244b49d3a0501614a720c or it loads and disconnects.


Under some DDoS by the looks of it. Will be back asap
1169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website - 581.4 BTC raised so far on: December 16, 2016, 02:47:39 PM
Every investor should get the same amount of shares for their money. Only maybe after a year if you do another ico and issue more shares can the price be higher but not in the same ico.

I know your account says newbie, though it's probably an alt you're building for sig campaigns Wink, but just look in this sub forum.
Almost all ICO's work this way

Not really but my problem is valid anyway. Not all ico's work like that, really only the ones who want to sacm do.

And what ever happened to you selling Betking on Bitpremier? No takers???

Did you think I dont know?

https://www.bitpremier.com/1-other-luxury-items/2125-online-bitcoin-casino

Haha, you guys go to some lengths to troll me in this forum, always new accounts.

I've never seen that ad. It also says it started in 2014 when in fact my site opened in April 2013.
I have stated many times I would never sell for that low a price too. I've turned down offers more than that publicly in this forum.

There's no secret about selling either. If a company came to me right now and offered £3-4 million up front I would sell and move on to other things.
No one is making that offer so instead I'm doing the ICO fundraising and growing the business instead.

Investors in the ICO will be happy if they invest and in 2-3 years we sell for £10+ million I imagine.
1170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website - 581.4 BTC raised so far on: December 16, 2016, 10:32:45 AM
Every investor should get the same amount of shares for their money. Only maybe after a year if you do another ico and issue more shares can the price be higher but not in the same ico.

I know your account says newbie, though it's probably an alt you're building for sig campaigns Wink, but just look in this sub forum.
Almost all ICO's work this way
1171  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site on: December 16, 2016, 09:28:16 AM
Rakeback for the week (13th-16th) will be paid today, total of 1.61373155 will be paid out.
1172  Economy / Gambling / Re: MONTHLY BEST GAMBLING SITE (DECEMBER) on: December 16, 2016, 09:06:22 AM
I have voted for bustabit and i am playing in bustabit and pocketdice for this month they are quite addictive than plain dice sites most other platform provides.

I have also voted for bustabit however I haven't had much luck recently with pocketdice.

However I found out a new site called Yolodice, I think they are potentially going to become the next big crowdfunded casino after BetKing closed down and JustDice switched to clams instead of BTC. Next month we should include Yolodice Cheesy

BetKing has not closed
1173  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🌟🎲🌟 MoneyPot.com on: December 15, 2016, 07:34:58 PM
Hey. Can we talk?  Who are you?  Are you positive of this?

This is worrying, but an easy way for MoneyPot to refute these allegations is to provide proof of solvency. Given how many people have access to the servers I think that would be very appropriate.

That's actually not proof if he was doing it as a gambler and just cashing out winnings slowly over time.

He asked for proof of solvency. I linked him to our cold address. Regarding proof of user balances etc, we also have https://www.moneypot.com/proof-of-liabilities.txt


He said "This is worrying, but an easy way for MoneyPot to refute these allegations is to provide proof of solvency" in reference to
"What happened was the dude ddosed moneypot and then used the server access to bet, knowing where he was going to win"

So providing solvency doesn't prove that the guy was not cheating or stealing.
1174  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🌟🎲🌟 MoneyPot.com on: December 15, 2016, 07:30:33 PM
Hey. Can we talk?  Who are you?  Are you positive of this?

This is worrying, but an easy way for MoneyPot to refute these allegations is to provide proof of solvency. Given how many people have access to the servers I think that would be very appropriate.

That's actually not proof if he was doing it as a gambler and just cashing out winnings slowly over time.
1175  Economy / Gambling / Re: What promos do you want to see on gambing site? BetKing.io on: December 15, 2016, 07:11:47 PM
Chat rain is going to be running often....IF people come on to site to chat.

Running happy hours with rainbot tipping random amounts at random intervals but had to stop because no one is chatting Sad

Follow on https://twitter.com/BetKingIO or https://www.facebook.com/BetKingIO/ for announcements of when rainbot is online
1176  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site on: December 15, 2016, 06:57:01 PM
Chat rain happy hour, random amounts, random intervals. Come join the fun at https://betking.io Wink
1177  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site on: December 15, 2016, 05:38:42 PM
Going to start allowing players to vote for features they want to see at BetKing.io

We will do a weekly poll on StrawPoll where you can vote easily.

Since it's near end of the week this one will just focus on some easy chat features I can add this week.
You can vote here https://www.strawpoll.me/11879912

Each week I'll add different features to the poll and remove finished ones or unpopular ones.

This weeks poll options:
 - Chat avatar
- Better private chat system (like Facebook messages)
- Search user (easier to then pm or tip)
- Multiple chat rooms for different languages
- Disable bet notifications in chat option

Get voting now and I'll add your favorite ones to the site asap Smiley

So far the most votes go to multiple chat rooms for different languages which is pretty surprising Smiley
1178  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site on: December 15, 2016, 09:06:52 AM
Going to start allowing players to vote for features they want to see at BetKing.io

We will do a weekly poll on StrawPoll where you can vote easily.

Since it's near end of the week this one will just focus on some easy chat features I can add this week.
You can vote here https://www.strawpoll.me/11879912

Each week I'll add different features to the poll and remove finished ones or unpopular ones.

This weeks poll options:
 - Chat avatar
- Better private chat system (like Facebook messages)
- Search user (easier to then pm or tip)
- Multiple chat rooms for different languages
- Disable bet notifications in chat option

Get voting now and I'll add your favorite ones to the site asap Smiley
1179  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site on: December 15, 2016, 08:37:45 AM
Big 5.12 Bitcoin win this morning by player ProRoller at https://betking.io

1180  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🌟🎲🌟 MoneyPot.com on: December 15, 2016, 07:41:51 AM

App owners and moneypot owners have no risk whatsoever. They take commision from the wagered bitcoins, investors take the real risk of players gambling against their bankroll. So yes, only investors lost.
App owners incur the cost of hosting the app and the cost of marketing/attracting players to play at their app. MP owners incur the cost of attracting app owners to develop MP apps and to attract players to play at MP, as well as the cost of securing funds, and the various seeds.

A lot of the costs that both app owners and MP owners incur will be incurred regardless of betting volume, so they are risking that betting volumes will not be high enough so that commissions on bets to cover the costs.

On a per bet basis, it is correct to say that MP owners and app owners do not bear any risk on each individual bet, however it is far from accurate to say that they do not bear any risk at all.

Yeah, I was referring to per bet basis as you said it. Didn't take the other costs in consideration.

Nevertheless I'd still say investors' risk is way greater than it should be.

It depends how you look at it. Sites like crypto games and safe dice give 70% ish to investors

but

sites like BetKing are proposing to give just 30% to investors, same as MP

but

BetKing will also share in the losses
So, it's really uncharted territory here that we're in now

You really can't compare BetKing to any dice site now as it's not the same business model at all.

Before we took 25% profit and 25% of edge on wager when we allowed "bankroll investment". Higher commission than some sites but no other site made anywhere near as much for investors in the past 2 years.

However now we don't have bankroll investors, it's private funded by me.
What I'm doing now is selling 30% of shares in the business, not a bankroll.

So it's really not comparable.
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