Bitcoin does NOT "sideways" when in a state of cittttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee   

Hahahahaha

Fair enough... ... seems that i might have gotten sucked in a bit too much... just like i get sucked in with other members from time to time...

I don't tend to ignore any members, but yeah, I do sometimes have to NOT respond to some of their bullshit if matters start to become too damned repetitious and not really getting anywhere in terms of substance.. and yeah, if his vendetta is merely to stalk you, then that might largely explain that there seems to be some lacking of purpose in his raison d'être...   

I frequently suggest that there is no way to really get rich quick, and of course, if members are engaged in scams or trying to make money from scams, referring to fratoshi, then they are not going to win any "love" that way, referring to one of fratoshi's prior word choices.

Well, any of us can do a quick perusal of the post history of another member, and sure, maybe I misunderstood some of your posts or your various interactions with other members through your posts.

So, it could be that I used language that was a bit stronger than necessary to suggest that you might be promoting BSV by NOT sufficiently and unambiguously denigrating it.  I am willing to take back or to walk back my comments, but I don't tend to delete any of my posts, unless they are really off base or misleading.. On the other hand, I am not opposed to take back some of the accusatory sentiment if I might have come out too strongly in my presumptions regarding your possible intentions.

By the way, don't you believe that it is a bit crazy or even disingenuous for any member to seriously be posting images of people and suggesting that they might be satoshi, especially in a BSV thread like this?

We are a bit on alert, here, for the bullshit fakesatoshi claims, and your user name?  Isn't that kind of a play on satoshi, too?  Or am I way out in left field?  I am surely open to being corrected, if I am way the fuck off base in the conclusions that i made and if they might have been too presumptuous... but at the same time, I am NOT going to go down the road of trying to give credibility to any of the bcash variants and to act as if they are anything but attack vectors, including some of the shenanigans and disingenuinness related to playing around with satoshi's identity.



Fair enough.


I don't think so.  You are the one posting images.  Like I said, I am willing to reconsider some of the degree to which I might have made strong posts, but there seems to be little to no need for me to apologize for your ambiguous beginning of a conversation regarding satoshi's possible images... in a thread like this.


I don't tend to hold grudges either, unless members are starting to make demands of me to do something or to suggest that I was acting in bad faith, when I was not... .Anyhow, maybe you need to explain yourself in regards to what is your purpose in regards to the nonsense images and the nonsense topic?  You don't believe such topic to be either nonsense or disingenuous in the way that you framed it?


I am not going to study into your situation.  nutildah tends to have a lot of decent ideas and seems to be fair, overall, so I am not sure about your beef with him...  Yeah, maybe he got some things wrong?  I don't know... I glanced quickly at your back and forth with the trust, and sometimes members will remove negative trust if the matter is warranted, but if you have two negatives from him, and he is accusing you of continued behavior, you may need to consider your own actions rather than speculating that nutildah got you wrong.. which I am not even saying that nutildah might not be wrong.. and regarding IconFirm, I don't know that member.

Edit: Oh gosh, I took a second to look at the references in your trust feedback, and holy shit... when I look at the references, it is even harder to give you any benefit of the doubt.  Hard to believe that nutildah is just making shit up... I don't have time to research all of the claims and read in detail, but a decent amount of that seems to be on you, fratoshi, rather than you being some kind of poor victim of circumstance... You are only going to dig yourself in deeper and deeper if you go on whining about being a victim, unless you start to figure out ways to correct your reputation and maybe fix the various referenced matters that nutildah pointed out.. to the extent any of that is fixable...



Seems to be a pretty decent place to interact about various topics.. I am mostly interested in bitcoin-related topics, so I don't know why I sometimes devolve into some of these bcash threads... Mostly just to shit on bcash and its variants.. and yeah, sometimes, there seems to be some impacts on bitcoin with some of these various bcash trash products, such as ongoing bsv drama and misleading attention whoring around that... and gosh, even sometimes seems to affect short term bitcoin price movements.... go figure.

Stop wearing those tight jeans... it is not so becoming of the elderly.   

Isn't bitcoin built around an assumption that people are greedy (or at least a milder form of self-interested)?

So, accordingly, bitcoin seems to presume that individuals are going to engage in behavior that attempts to maximize their own best interest, and it so happens that a large number of individuals attempting to maximize their own best interest (aka greedy) causes bitcoin to become stronger.

Yeah, of course, some people have concluded that their own best interest has been to pump some shit coin or to suck off the nipple of BTC in creating a new product - by attempting to copy bitcoin or to deceive people into believing that they are bitcoin 2.0 or that bitcoin is defective in some kind of way, yet in the end, such value is still going to flow back into bitcoin because the deception and the ability to copy bitcoin tends to come off as disingenuine and inferior than just working on king daddy himself.

Could take 50 years or more to sort out, but everything largely seems to be going as planned in terms of individuals being greedy and acting in their own interests while bitcoin gets stronger and stronger, no?  I am not afraid to admit that I like getting rich through bitcoin, while I have been attempting to pursue my own best (greedy) interests.

With your tricky user name, have you ever claimed to be satoshi? 

If not, then perhaps you could be included in the "we are all satoshi" mantra.  hahahahaha.. not that I have any power to inspire consensus around such a topic... as you likely realize, there tends to exist a decent amount of tension around some of these satoshi-related ideas, especially if the ideas of satoshi's identity is connected with promoting a scam coin, such as BSV, or somehow denigrating bitcoin or pumping some alt(shit)coin.

Huh?  Difficult to take you seriously based on your post history including that you have engaged in posts that promote that misleading and disingenuous scam project that is also known as BSV.....

In essence, there are no actual pictures of Satoshi, so it would be misleading to actually assign an actual human image, even if it is a old picture - because, so far, no one has confirmed who satoshi is... even if there are some decently credible suggestions regarding who he might be, and I suppose someone should actually know who he is, at least he should know.. or maybe members of a team should know.. if he were a team.  

I suppose that if satoshi were still alive, then at least he would know who he is, and it is difficult to imagine that he would have been the only one to actually know who he was.. But, maybe some day there would be actual public knowledge regarding such confirmed identity matter - of course there are suspicions about it, too...and I would surely proclaim to be no expert in that direction... or even have much knowledge beyond some of the information that I have seen in passing on the "who is satoshi" topic.

Seems to me, that so far, the better images of satoshi have tended to have been cartoons, animations or even art depictions... or maybe those expressions that we are all satoshi, except for anyone who promotes BSV or who claims to be satoshi, including CSW.

Ok.  Fair enough.

I surely remain quite skeptical of these various products to the extent that they represent actual bitcoins, and I really have my doubts regarding the level of their being backed up by actual bitcoins.  Sure, some of them claim to have bitcoin and others don't even claim to be backed up by bitcoins.   

I do accept that there is some value in directly buying bitcoins and directly holding them, so I expect that at some points in our bitcoin future, there are going to be tests of the value of actually having your bitcoins and whether there might end up being some denigration of some of those products because the dynamics in manipulating bitcoin is different from manipulating a market like gold - in terms of at least how easily one can demand possession of millions of dollars of bitcoin and actual act upon such demand (within minutes - maybe 10 minutes to get a confirmation and an hour or so to be able to retransmit the value that you have taken into your possession), whereas the logistics to demand millions of dollars of gold and to verify it is a lot more cumbersome.

Wee..... my lil plot to have the whole thread to my lil selfie...


wweeeeee!!!!

By the way squared-jo, upside down 96 did not quit, yet  - even though recently he failed/refused to carry out his AYH announcing duties......

My understanding is that segwit and RBF are already part of bitcoin.. .thus obtained through consensus... and schnorr has not yet been added to bitcoin, you diptwat..   

You know better, and surely segwit had included a bunch of non-sensical drama around it in 2017, but in the end, clearly went through to be signaled, accepted, locked-in and then towards the end of August 2017 was implemented to have become one of the options that could be used as part of bitcoin..  . remember?   Of course, you remember.. . you are just purposefully striving to be an obtuse diptwat. What else is new? 

King daddy brings a lot of comfort.  Have you ever heard of King daddy?  

Might have to introduce you to him some day.  

Ever hear of AYH?


Get back to your post, squared-jo 96 upsidedown!!!!!!    

What's monero?  Never heard of it.  A kind of exchange? 

Surely painful truths in terms of trying to figure out how to finance your living expenses (and sometimes merely consumption goods).

If we are over-invested into bitcoin, then we are more likely going to run into some moments of weakness, so likely we have to make sure that we do not get overinvested, and we have our living expenses covered and we are cashing out of our bitcoins on our own terms... part of the problem is that sometimes we believe that we need to shave off a few profits, and we do not realize that the UP party has just begun.

My dad was pestering the fuck out of my mom at $1,700-ish in early 2017 to at least cash out most of her initial investment into BTC.  I think that she partly conceded to his demands, but luckily she saved the larger portion of her cashing out at $14k-ish.,.... after the price was back down from its $19,666 peak... and yeah, would have been nice to cash out a larger portion at a closer point to to the top, but when the top is going on there is so much exuberance in the air that it becomes difficult to cash out when you are so tempted to buy moar.

I think that it boils down to over-investing on hype, and not having a plan to either continue to buy all the way down or merely approach from a more reasonable dollar cost averaging approach - and none of them can be get rich quick schemes, because even the best case scenarios, it will usually take a decently long time to get rich (doesn't come quick).


How the hell are you going to get rich, if you cannot defer gratification?  There were guys showing off what they bought because they got a 3x return on a few thousand dollar investment... So, yeah, they get a nice toy for $10k when they cashed out at $700 or maybe they sold at $3k on the way up the first time around... Either way, there is NOT an attempt to employ a long enough time horizon...

And, seems to me that guys who are cashing out some value in the 4-6 year range, but only cashing out those older coins, are going to do much better.

I do understand that sometimes there can be some luck too... I mean, buying in the $250s to $600s and ending up with an average of $400 coins, and then cashing out a portion of them at $13k feels pretty damned good, in the event that you still have some coins, so you are prepared for more up, even if you are not sure about whether MOAR up is going to come.

In the end, NOT easy to HODL through so much of these difficult times and even long periods of consolidation... remember ONLY a few days of the year are UP days, and sometimes it is difficult to be in those UP days unless you are just IN all of the time..



hahahahahaha

You, julian071, are exactly one of the examples that I thought of when I was writing my above response.. a kind of bragging when the price went up and taking some profits... way too much and too early.

Regarding leveraging your house, that is very risky, and yeah, it worked out for Elwar, but he completely sold his house, instead of mortgaging it... so a very risky proposition, that is for sure.. and definitely a need to make sure that your cashflow is covered in the even that BTC prices do not go shooting up.

O.k.... I see what you are saying:

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11651-11700   bitserve    <<<<<<

From a quasi-objective level, does not seem like any kind of outrageous BTC price prediction, and I would have likely predicted a bit higher - yet, as I have already mentioned, several times, I just find the end of the quarter to be such a nonsensical and largely unimportant (if not distracting) date to be attempting to establish any kind of meaningful BTC price, especially with our baby BTC's halvening coming up about 5 weeks thereafter.

So, yeah, for "normal" peeps would not seem overly optimistic, but for you, it might seem that you are becoming a bit overly emotional with your devolution into btc bullishness.  Get a grip upon yourself, bitserve!!!!





Personally, I question many of the assertions regarding what BTC might "need" in order for something else to happen.  Surely, if we were to go back to testing $6k or even more outrageously to be testing something like $4k, then that might cause a longer period of consolidation.

Accordingly, probably any statement of purported "need" for BTC should be couched in terms of an objective.

So for example, "we need to avoid going below $4k if we expect to experience a new ATH in 2020"  or more related to your purported "need" to stay above $10k before the halvening might be phrased like this:  "we need to stay above $10k by the time of the halvening in order to feel largely confidence that $6,424 remains the bottom for this particular correction cycle."

Or maybe you are suggesting:  "in order to stay within 10% of the price of the "four-year fractal" or "stock to flow model" we need to be at $10k by the halvening."  Hey, I don't even buy that.  Personally, I believe that we could be more than 50% off of the four-year fractal model or the stock to flow model and still NOT prove those models to be invalid..  There should be a sufficient number of powers that be out there that are capable of manipulating BTC in the short term to be more than 50% out of line with various credible BTC price prediction models without being able to negate the models in the longer term.  In other words, it will start to cost them to continue to engage in manipulation attempts beyond a certain level that is quite unlikely to be borne by the BTC market.  We will see, we will see.

I know that I might be changing some of the scenarios that you had suggested, but I have difficulties in trying to assign too high of probabilities where we purportedly "need" to be at any point in time, and call me more skeptical than you at this current moment.. even though I am NOT pessimistic about our current price direction and what I consider to be likely.. but I am disinclined to move too far off of my inclinations of making 50/50 predictions... waffling as that disposition might seem.   


Hey, even if I might have highlighted some of your past "expectations" and even attempting to draw some attention to your current "expectations," I surely have no problem with a bit of stubborness when it comes to NOT allowing too much of the public sentiment to sway your perspective.. and yeah, each of us who engage in a decent amount of monitoring of walls and participating in this thread have our various peculiarities when it comes to how much weight we assign to BTC price indicators, whether they are BTC price prediction models, the influences of various shitcoins, the opinions of fellow WO members or some other woo woo or non-woo woo factors. 
    

#nohomo
    


Hahahahahaha...

Definitely I appreciate your non-waffling to disclose your own changes in sentiments.

None of us should be lying to ourselves or to anyone else in terms of the significance and relevance of a few of BTC's beyond expectations price movements in 2019... including at minimum: 1) the 3.5x price appreciation that largely started on April 1, 2) the 42% price appreciation on 10/25 and 3) the so far retracement that so far has bottomed out at $6,124.  Difficult to deny the bullishness of these past BTC price movements.

Currently (which is nothing really new for me), I remain a bit bothered by ongoing frothiness of various shitcoins, but I also attempt to accept those kinds of realities, and even though I can continuously assert that I am bothered by their ongoing frothiness, there is likely NOT too much that I can really do about that except to complain about them from time to time by pointing out how I am bothered by them... They are going to do what they are going to do, whether many of them will continue to pump for another 10 years or various kinds of phoney baloney, yet so far, the vast majority of them show ongoing signs of phoney baloney and lack of fundamentals, but does not seem to stiffle their prices from appreciating in the short to medium term... so what you going to do, except just recognize the existence of such ongoing phenomenon that sometimes may have pulling affects on the price dynamics of king daddy.

You are so knowingly bonkers that you cannot even take yourself seriously enough to make a straight-faced prediction... and that is usually what makes better humor into GREAT humor.... hahahahaha ... that's why you have so many qualification framings in your phraseologies... (nearly the whole thing is like one BIG qualifier... that I have bolded some of your chosen hilarious parts), merely to prepare us for your level of ridiculous that you don't even believe to be anywhere close to being possible. 

In other words, you seem to be raising your expectations of baby BTC...


And, this is NO longer fine.   

Lambie Slayer's current boyfriend  = bargain boyz


Lambie NO doesn't have good tastes in boise  

Still waiting for sub $6k with jonoiv - sucks to be lambie these days  

You are far from balanced jonoiv, but if you are aspiring towards balance that might be a step in the right direction.

I will have to admit, though, you did come close to being able to buy back your BTC stash in your $6k selling area from last year...  and the fact that you seem to still be waiting for sub $6k prices shows that you continue to be quite detached from both reality and any kind of prudent approach to BTC.

I am sure that guys (and possibly gal, too) here would NOT make fun of you, if you were to snap into a more sensible approach towards BTC (satoshi) accumulation, but your last two posts are not exactly inspiring any justification for why anyone here should really feel sorry for you...

The main redeeming quality to your whole situation, I suppose, is that you are only dealing with less than half of a bitcoin, anyhow... so there is that. (I know, I know... guys... I should not be poo pooing that up to 50,000,000 satoshis is NOT some kind of meaningful amount... consider our future lil selfies when we are likely going to be quite content with having actual control over those kinds of quantities of satoshis)