[ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Satoshi Vision - Unmoderated Thread

[fratoshi]

Is there someone on this forum that have rare Satoshi pictures and want to share or exchange with me?

I have this two pictures of young Satoshi, can anyone tell me if those pictures are genuine?

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[JayJuanGee]

Is there someone on this forum that have rare Satoshi pictures and want to share or exchange with me?

I have this two pictures of young Satoshi, can anyone tell me if those pictures are genuine?

Huh?  Difficult to take you seriously based on your post history including that you have engaged in posts that promote that misleading and disingenuous scam project that is also known as BSV.....

In essence, there are no actual pictures of Satoshi, so it would be misleading to actually assign an actual human image, even if it is a old picture - because, so far, no one has confirmed who satoshi is... even if there are some decently credible suggestions regarding who he might be, and I suppose someone should actually know who he is, at least he should know.. or maybe members of a team should know.. if he were a team.  

I suppose that if satoshi were still alive, then at least he would know who he is, and it is difficult to imagine that he would have been the only one to actually know who he was.. But, maybe some day there would be actual public knowledge regarding such confirmed identity matter - of course there are suspicions about it, too...and I would surely proclaim to be no expert in that direction... or even have much knowledge beyond some of the information that I have seen in passing on the "who is satoshi" topic.

Seems to me, that so far, the better images of satoshi have tended to have been cartoons, animations or even art depictions... or maybe those expressions that we are all satoshi, except for anyone who promotes BSV or who claims to be satoshi, including CSW.

[fratoshi]

i have never promoted BSV

[JayJuanGee]

i have never promoted BSV

With your tricky user name, have you ever claimed to be satoshi? 

If not, then perhaps you could be included in the "we are all satoshi" mantra.  hahahahaha.. not that I have any power to inspire consensus around such a topic... as you likely realize, there tends to exist a decent amount of tension around some of these satoshi-related ideas, especially if the ideas of satoshi's identity is connected with promoting a scam coin, such as BSV, or somehow denigrating bitcoin or pumping some alt(shit)coin.

[fratoshi]

i have never promoted BSV

With your tricky user name, have you ever claimed to be satoshi? 

If not, then perhaps you could be included in the "we are all satoshi" mantra.  hahahahaha.. not that I have any power to inspire consensus around such a topic... as you likely realize, there tends to exist a decent amount of tension around some of these satoshi-related ideas, especially if the ideas of satoshi's identity is connected with promoting a scam coin, such as BSV, or somehow denigrating bitcoin or pumping some alt(shit)coin.

Hi there JayJuanGee, i don't know you, and i have never interacted with you in the past, and i have nothing against you.

I don't know why you are accusing me of promoting BSV or that if i claimed to be Satoshi.

I want you to have clear that i have never promoted BSV and i never claimed to be Satoshi, and my nickname has nothing to do with Satoshi or BSV, so i want you to apologize and take back what you said, because it seems you want to misleading and disingenuous ruin my reputation without any proof.

And last thing, i am always open to become friends, i have nothing against anyone and i don't understand why i always have situations like this with other users, example: nutildah and IconFirm

Love to all on this forum

[nutildah]

i have never promoted BSV

With your tricky user name, have you ever claimed to be satoshi? 

If not, then perhaps you could be included in the "we are all satoshi" mantra.  hahahahaha.. not that I have any power to inspire consensus around such a topic... as you likely realize, there tends to exist a decent amount of tension around some of these satoshi-related ideas, especially if the ideas of satoshi's identity is connected with promoting a scam coin, such as BSV, or somehow denigrating bitcoin or pumping some alt(shit)coin.

He's just a troll. Half his posts either mention me directly or are attempts by him to troll me. He wouldn't even be in this thread if I hadn't posted in it. Ever since I helped oust his scam exchange (Trade Satoshi) from the forum he's been following me around from thread to thread. I'm putting him on ignore and I recommend others follow suit.

[tippytoes]

BSV now continuously outperforming BTC on daily transactions.

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

What does it matter when its transactions are tiny?

BSV avg transaction value: $717
BTC avg transaction value: $47,226

BSV sent from addresses: 19,468
BTC sent from addresses: 259,122

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/sentbyaddress-btc-bsv.html

With the rapid increase in BSV applications increasing micropayments, BSV is sure to continue on this path fooling the intellectual stifled with its manipulations and fraudulent shenanigans.

It’s only a matter of time before the miners switch over.

You've been saying that for a year now, yet the BSV hash rate remains a tiny sliver of that of BTC's.

https://coin.dance/blocks/proofofwork

Perhaps you should save your low IQ trolling for the moderated thread. I won't bother to correct your misinformation over there.

Sometimes I don't know where that user is coming from, claiming that BSV is outperforming BTC? Is he hallucinating or what? Ask any ordinary person if he knows BSV, and I think they will recognize it only because of the words- bitcoin/satoshi in its name. But as a stand alone altcoin? I don't think so. And usage? I don't think BSV is overpowering BTC at any level.

[JayJuanGee]

i have never promoted BSV

With your tricky user name, have you ever claimed to be satoshi? 

If not, then perhaps you could be included in the "we are all satoshi" mantra.  hahahahaha.. not that I have any power to inspire consensus around such a topic... as you likely realize, there tends to exist a decent amount of tension around some of these satoshi-related ideas, especially if the ideas of satoshi's identity is connected with promoting a scam coin, such as BSV, or somehow denigrating bitcoin or pumping some alt(shit)coin.

Hi there JayJuanGee, i don't know you, and i have never interacted with you in the past, and i have nothing against you.

I don't know why you are accusing me of promoting BSV or that if i claimed to be Satoshi.

Well, any of us can do a quick perusal of the post history of another member, and sure, maybe I misunderstood some of your posts or your various interactions with other members through your posts.

So, it could be that I used language that was a bit stronger than necessary to suggest that you might be promoting BSV by NOT sufficiently and unambiguously denigrating it.  I am willing to take back or to walk back my comments, but I don't tend to delete any of my posts, unless they are really off base or misleading.. On the other hand, I am not opposed to take back some of the accusatory sentiment if I might have come out too strongly in my presumptions regarding your possible intentions.

By the way, don't you believe that it is a bit crazy or even disingenuous for any member to seriously be posting images of people and suggesting that they might be satoshi, especially in a BSV thread like this?

We are a bit on alert, here, for the bullshit fakesatoshi claims, and your user name?  Isn't that kind of a play on satoshi, too?  Or am I way out in left field?  I am surely open to being corrected, if I am way the fuck off base in the conclusions that i made and if they might have been too presumptuous... but at the same time, I am NOT going to go down the road of trying to give credibility to any of the bcash variants and to act as if they are anything but attack vectors, including some of the shenanigans and disingenuinness related to playing around with satoshi's identity.

I want you to have clear that i have never promoted BSV and i never claimed to be Satoshi, and my nickname has nothing to do with Satoshi or BSV,

Fair enough.

so i want you to apologize and take back what you said, because it seems you want to misleading and disingenuous ruin my reputation without any proof.

I don't think so.  You are the one posting images.  Like I said, I am willing to reconsider some of the degree to which I might have made strong posts, but there seems to be little to no need for me to apologize for your ambiguous beginning of a conversation regarding satoshi's possible images... in a thread like this.

And last thing, i am always open to become friends,

I don't tend to hold grudges either, unless members are starting to make demands of me to do something or to suggest that I was acting in bad faith, when I was not... .Anyhow, maybe you need to explain yourself in regards to what is your purpose in regards to the nonsense images and the nonsense topic?  You don't believe such topic to be either nonsense or disingenuous in the way that you framed it?

i have nothing against anyone and i don't understand why i always have situations like this with other users, example: nutildah and IconFirm

I am not going to study into your situation.  nutildah tends to have a lot of decent ideas and seems to be fair, overall, so I am not sure about your beef with him...  Yeah, maybe he got some things wrong?  I don't know... I glanced quickly at your back and forth with the trust, and sometimes members will remove negative trust if the matter is warranted, but if you have two negatives from him, and he is accusing you of continued behavior, you may need to consider your own actions rather than speculating that nutildah got you wrong.. which I am not even saying that nutildah might not be wrong.. and regarding IconFirm, I don't know that member.

Edit: Oh gosh, I took a second to look at the references in your trust feedback, and holy shit... when I look at the references, it is even harder to give you any benefit of the doubt.  Hard to believe that nutildah is just making shit up... I don't have time to research all of the claims and read in detail, but a decent amount of that seems to be on you, fratoshi, rather than you being some kind of poor victim of circumstance... You are only going to dig yourself in deeper and deeper if you go on whining about being a victim, unless you start to figure out ways to correct your reputation and maybe fix the various referenced matters that nutildah pointed out.. to the extent any of that is fixable...

Love to all on this forum

Seems to be a pretty decent place to interact about various topics.. I am mostly interested in bitcoin-related topics, so I don't know why I sometimes devolve into some of these bcash threads... Mostly just to shit on bcash and its variants.. and yeah, sometimes, there seems to be some impacts on bitcoin with some of these various bcash trash products, such as ongoing bsv drama and misleading attention whoring around that... and gosh, even sometimes seems to affect short term bitcoin price movements.... go figure.

[JayJuanGee]

i have never promoted BSV

With your tricky user name, have you ever claimed to be satoshi? 

If not, then perhaps you could be included in the "we are all satoshi" mantra.  hahahahaha.. not that I have any power to inspire consensus around such a topic... as you likely realize, there tends to exist a decent amount of tension around some of these satoshi-related ideas, especially if the ideas of satoshi's identity is connected with promoting a scam coin, such as BSV, or somehow denigrating bitcoin or pumping some alt(shit)coin.

He's just a troll. Half his posts either mention me directly or are attempts by him to troll me. He wouldn't even be in this thread if I hadn't posted in it. Ever since I helped oust his scam exchange (Trade Satoshi) from the forum he's been following me around from thread to thread. I'm putting him on ignore and I recommend others follow suit.

Hahahahaha

Fair enough... ... seems that i might have gotten sucked in a bit too much... just like i get sucked in with other members from time to time...

I don't tend to ignore any members, but yeah, I do sometimes have to NOT respond to some of their bullshit if matters start to become too damned repetitious and not really getting anywhere in terms of substance.. and yeah, if his vendetta is merely to stalk you, then that might largely explain that there seems to be some lacking of purpose in his raison d'être...   

I frequently suggest that there is no way to really get rich quick, and of course, if members are engaged in scams or trying to make money from scams, referring to fratoshi, then they are not going to win any "love" that way, referring to one of fratoshi's prior word choices.

[fratoshi]

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Fair enough.

Regarding my comments on this thread "[ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Satoshi Vision - Unmoderated Thread"

on https://bitcoinsv.io/ it says

Bitcoin SV is the original Bitcoin
It restores the original Bitcoin protocol, will keep it stable, and allow it to massively scale. Bitcoin SV will maintain the vision set out by Satoshi Nakamoto’s white paper in 2008: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System.

on https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-sv/ it says

he Bitcoin SV project is primarily backed by CoinGeek Mining with development work by nChain

on https://craigwright.net/about/  it says

Dr Craig S Wright is an Australian computer scientist, businessman, and inventor, who challenges the world with visionary ideas. He is the creator of Bitcoin and author of the Bitcoin white paper under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto

So i got some rare images of CW and i want to share it with the community here at the unmoderated thread of Bitcoin Satoshi Vision, so with the references i posted, is not right to call CW Satoshi?

I don't think so.  You are the one posting images.  Like I said, I am willing to reconsider some of the degree to which I might have made strong posts, but there seems to be little to no need for me to apologize for your ambiguous beginning of a conversation regarding satoshi's possible images... in a thread like this.

And for posting that i got attacked.

And nutildah, you are very clever.

[JayJuanGee]

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Fair enough.

Regarding my comments on this thread "[ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Satoshi Vision - Unmoderated Thread"

on https://bitcoinsv.io/ it says

Bitcoin SV is the original Bitcoin
It restores the original Bitcoin protocol, will keep it stable, and allow it to massively scale. Bitcoin SV will maintain the vision set out by Satoshi Nakamoto’s white paper in 2008: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System.

on https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-sv/ it says

he Bitcoin SV project is primarily backed by CoinGeek Mining with development work by nChain

on https://craigwright.net/about/  it says

Dr Craig S Wright is an Australian computer scientist, businessman, and inventor, who challenges the world with visionary ideas. He is the creator of Bitcoin and author of the Bitcoin white paper under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto

So i got some rare images of CW and i want to share it with the community here at the unmoderated thread of Bitcoin Satoshi Vision, so with the references i posted, is not right to call CW Satoshi?

I don't think so.  You are the one posting images.  Like I said, I am willing to reconsider some of the degree to which I might have made strong posts, but there seems to be little to no need for me to apologize for your ambiguous beginning of a conversation regarding satoshi's possible images... in a thread like this.

And for posting that i got attacked.

And nutildah, you are very clever.

With your various above examples, you seem to be proving my case for me, somewhat, fratoshi.

Seems to me that if you are giving any benefit of the doubt to BSV being legitimate in any kind of way, except that it is 1) an attack vector on bitcoin, 2) a misleading attempt to assert that it is bitcoin or 3) unrelated altcoin that publishes weather/earthquake data, then you seem to be promoting a scam.

[fratoshi]

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Fair enough.

Regarding my comments on this thread "[ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Satoshi Vision - Unmoderated Thread"

on https://bitcoinsv.io/ it says

Bitcoin SV is the original Bitcoin
It restores the original Bitcoin protocol, will keep it stable, and allow it to massively scale. Bitcoin SV will maintain the vision set out by Satoshi Nakamoto’s white paper in 2008: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System.

on https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-sv/ it says

he Bitcoin SV project is primarily backed by CoinGeek Mining with development work by nChain

on https://craigwright.net/about/  it says

Dr Craig S Wright is an Australian computer scientist, businessman, and inventor, who challenges the world with visionary ideas. He is the creator of Bitcoin and author of the Bitcoin white paper under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto

So i got some rare images of CW and i want to share it with the community here at the unmoderated thread of Bitcoin Satoshi Vision, so with the references i posted, is not right to call CW Satoshi?

I don't think so.  You are the one posting images.  Like I said, I am willing to reconsider some of the degree to which I might have made strong posts, but there seems to be little to no need for me to apologize for your ambiguous beginning of a conversation regarding satoshi's possible images... in a thread like this.

And for posting that i got attacked.

And nutildah, you are very clever.

With your various above examples, you seem to be proving my case for me, somewhat, fratoshi.

Seems to me that if you are giving any benefit of the doubt to BSV being legitimate in any kind of way, except that it is 1) an attack vector on bitcoin, 2) a misleading attempt to assert that it is bitcoin or 3) unrelated altcoin that publishes weather/earthquake data, then you seem to be promoting a scam.

Oh, i am now promoting a scam because i am neutral about BSV?
And because i want to share some pictures of what BSV believe is Satoshi?

This is the Bitcoin Satoshi Vision thread, is not right to post images of what BSV says is the creator of BSV?

I am not trying to troll or provoke anyone, i am not posting this outside this thread.

Why not leave the scam accusations for the right thread? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.0

[Anarcocapitalista]

BSV now continuously outperforming BTC on daily transactions.

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

What does it matter when its transactions are tiny?

BSV avg transaction value: $717
BTC avg transaction value: $47,226

BSV sent from addresses: 19,468
BTC sent from addresses: 259,122

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/sentbyaddress-btc-bsv.html

With the rapid increase in BSV applications increasing micropayments, BSV is sure to continue on this path fooling the intellectual stifled with its manipulations and fraudulent shenanigans.

It’s only a matter of time before the miners switch over.

You've been saying that for a year now, yet the BSV hash rate remains a tiny sliver of that of BTC's.

https://coin.dance/blocks/proofofwork

Perhaps you should save your low IQ trolling for the moderated thread. I won't bother to correct your misinformation over there.

Sometimes I don't know where that user is coming from, claiming that BSV is outperforming BTC? Is he hallucinating or what? Ask any ordinary person if he knows BSV, and I think they will recognize it only because of the words- bitcoin/satoshi in its name. But as a stand alone altcoin? I don't think so. And usage? I don't think BSV is overpowering BTC at any level.

I’m coming from here: the facts.

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

On a daily average, BSV outperforms BTC in transactions and block size. The blockchain is literally a ledger you can use as a reference to prove these facts.

Value is in the utility. The apps keep growing on BSV, as do the transactions and the price.

Genesis upgrade ahead, only a few days until we have a ledger built for global utility.

[nutildah]

I’m coming from here: the facts.

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

On a daily average, BSV outperforms BTC in transactions and block size.

Funny how that website leaves out the metrics that are actually important in determining the true popularity of a coin, like active addresses, average transaction size and total hash power of the network. Wonder why that is.

BSV is a joke led by a fraudulent cult leader. Its going nowhere as an honest investment until Craig is removed from its equation entirely. Based on its actual utility and minus the Faketoshi Factor, I put the fair price of SV to be somewhere between $30 and $40 a coin. Everything above that at the moment is based on Craig's everlasting charade.

[JayJuanGee]

I’m coming from here: the facts.

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks

On a daily average, BSV outperforms BTC in transactions and block size.

Funny how that website leaves out the metrics that are actually important in determining the true popularity of a coin, like active addresses, average transaction size and total hash power of the network. Wonder why that is.

BSV is a joke led by a fraudulent cult leader. Its going nowhere as an honest investment until Craig is removed from its equation entirely. Based on its actual utility and minus the Faketoshi Factor, I put the fair price of SV to be somewhere between $30 and $40 a coin. Everything above that at the moment is based on Craig's everlasting charade.

Hahahahaha...

Look who woke up on the generous side of the bed this morning with $30-$40 valuations of a piece of shit?

I think that another uncomfortable truth for the adding of value to that piece of shit fraud project is that it remains as an attack vector towards bitcoin.. and also as a kind of magnet for dumb fucks and gullible and vulnerable and get rich quick wannabes and folks who want to be scammed.. just like the nigerian prince had a decent amount of value for a long time, and there are still dumb fucks who actually fall for that crap, which gives it value... which, of course, is also some of the utility of BCH, too... a seeming ongoing niche that is trying to scam a slightly different audience.   

[Dabs]

$30 is higher than what even the true original bitcoin was around 2013 ... They are talking about the original vision or whatever version it was at when Satoshi disappeared, so they should at least get on version 0.6 or something. Satoshi didn't stop at 0.1.

One of their major contentions or disagreements was regarding segregated witness. Well, it's optional and you don't have to use it, there was no need to fork a coin... and it forked from a fork too... should have just tried to fork from the original.

[Searing]

Wash Trading.

BSV sells to Tether then sells thus back to self as BSV...in massive quantities. Rinse/Wash/Repeat boys. All the sketchy exchanges BSV is on, all the manipulation!

Nothing new here move on. You also can tell by the 15% up then 15% down, over and over BSV is being manipulated big time.

Right now the BSV folk are playing the 'newbie' masses with Buy the rumor but sell the news. Only these 'few' BSV whales are manipulating the market.

Again, yawn, have seen this with BSV before. Just a lot of Hope'em!

Nothing new to see here folks, move along...

Brad

https://cryptobriefing.com/analysis-bsv-up-500-thanks-wash-trading/

[devioso8]

The Bitcoin SV [BSV] ecosystem has rapidly grown to approximately 400 ventures and projects around the world.   According to a regularly-updated chart (prepared by BSV project Peergame) that compiles information from BSV/DEVS, Agora.icu, GitHub and other resources, as of January 19, 2020, there were 394 known companies, services, developer resources, protocol layers and protocol projects built on or for BSV.   With new projects being announced on a regular basis, the number will soon surpass 400.

https://bitcoinassociation.net/bitcoin-sv-bsv-development-rapidly-grows-to-nearly-400-ventures-projects-worldwide/

[fratoshi]

Bitcoin SV will get delisted from nicehash on Tuesday, February 4, 2020, at 2 PM CET. 
https://www.nicehash.com/blog/post/bitcoin-sv-(bsv)-delisting

If you are holding BSV there, you have till March 15 to withdraw.

For the moment Ledger has no support for BSV, a list of wallets to storage your BSV can be found here
https://bitcoinsv.io/services/wallets-and-exchanges/

[nutildah]

Based on its actual utility and minus the Faketoshi Factor, I put the fair price of SV to be somewhere between $30 and $40 a coin. Everything above that at the moment is based on Craig's everlasting charade.

Hahahahaha...

Look who woke up on the generous side of the bed this morning with $30-$40 valuations of a piece of shit?

Well, I think ~ 1/10th the price of BCH is fair. Sans Craig, there has been a decent amount of effort put into it compared to most other altcoins. Not that we don't already have several pre-existing data storage coins that are probably much more efficient in that aspect because that's what they were specifically built to do.

$30 is higher than what even the true original bitcoin was around 2013 ... They are talking about the original vision or whatever version it was at when Satoshi disappeared, so they should at least get on version 0.6 or something. Satoshi didn't stop at 0.1.

SV being based on "the original protocol" is just another one of the many fallacious selling points preached by Craig. As I've brought up and detailed elsewhere, its code contains several changes made by Bitcoin Core and ABC developers (Maxwell, Wuille, Sechet, etc). These changes aren't being taken out because they are integral to a properly-functioning bitcoin. Of course, Craig would rather all his followers just remain ignorant about the details.