Yeah... I feel so bad that the world is against you... and peeps are so fucking dumb that they don't understand the negatives of bitcoin, but at least, I have to give you some credit for admitting your dumb and your getting stopped out...


Anyhow, just keep shorting our lil buddy, and sooner or later it is likely to work out for you, as long as you don't go broke in the trying to make money in the wrong direction process... and your ongoing reliance on what "should happen" in your world view that is negative about the power of king daddy....  

Bitcoin needs shorters like you.  

Along with the CME and CBOE instruments that are NOT adequately backed, and in the end going to get totally fucked by their betting against king daddy... at least hopefully.


I am sure that there are a few perverted fucks who want war in or Armageddon  out of a belief that it is going to help their BTC position, but that seems to be a misinformed, jaded perspective... that is likely the vast minority of WO peeps..... In other words, whiteboy420 is just making shit up when he suggests that there are jaded incentives out there  plotting against his logic in shorting, blah blah blah...  If he was a wee bit smarter, he should not be shorting king daddy anywhooo.

Pee pare ur lil selfies for all scenarios.. even the most extreme.. and even though quite unlikely.

I think that I explained myself in an earlier post.. and yeah even below $4k would really suck.. and even below $5k is seeming pretty damned unlikely, even in a flash crash scenario, like mindrust had mentioned... but still we gotta pee pare our lil selfies for those kinds of seemingly less likely scenarios...... even the newbies....  AmiNOTrite?

And, by the way:   fuck the newbies... they need to grow the fuck up and grow some balls to protect their lil selfies.. put on their big boy pants and big girl panties because neither bitcoin nor we should give too many fucks about their fewings getting a wee bit scardie cats.....


Newbies still gotta figure it out.  If they are dumb enough to gamble and NOT to figure out some meaningful strategy then they deserve to lose money.

We cannot be holding hands for dumb fucks who cannot figure out that this is where the BIG boys and girls play.. not for the get rich quick and unable to focus gamblers (even though it is likely that any young peep who develops a decent BTC strategy has great chances of getting rich way the fuck quicker than they would have been able to accomplish through traditional investment means).  Yeah, a lot of the newbies are likely to get REKT through shitcoins, but that is also one way for learning, and there is only so much that any of us can do to protect natural greedy tendencies of people and the snake oil salesmen to be attempting to play off of those newbie vulnerabilities.

Don't conclude that I am cruel, because there is plenty of good information out there, including in this thread, and other places to help to allow regular peeps (including newbies) to figure out some of these matters and to sort the wheat from the chaff in terms of better and more accurate/reliable information (facts and logic) in order to help to create sound strategies, plans and abilities to better understand and to tailor their approach to their own situation rather than relying on some conmen in the shitcoin space.

Do we give any fucks about those shitcoin projects of LTC and ETH here?  Maybe you are ultimately making the point of the tweet, even if you are trying to convolute the ideas into meaningless drivel, which seems to be your specialty, hv_.

Ultimately there is only one bitcoin and that is where consensus follows whether softfork or hardfork, and really bitcoin hardforks are hardly even existent, so your reference to any kinds of meaningful forks in bitcoin were softforks which allowed consensus to follow or not to follow if the softfork was not voluntarily followed.. which surely could have resulted in a hardfork into an alternative project.

Sure bitcoin might choose to draw from various other projects, whether they are competing visions or whether they are trying out some use cases that are not easily accomplished in bitcoin, so in that regard, there is NOT necessarily any kind of reason to discount possible contributions that come from the wider space that goes beyond bitcoin whether they are misleading and/or attack vector projects or if there happens to be some decent ideas that can be folded into king daddy.

Not to take anything away from Greg, but one thing that could help is being known in the meat space, and fighting/working in the right direction, including the mere fact that many of us will be inclined to send a merit when we are able to get information about inside or technical happenings that might be a bit beyond our skill level... which surely is appreciated in this space..... at least speaking for myself....   

Sure, being known in the meat space likely has some of its downside too, in terms of pesterenings in the real world. 

On the contrare, we have some members in this forum who are also well known in the meat space, but they have gotten into a certain level of distraction into nonsense projects like bcash or some other baloney like that don't seem to be attempting to build on bitcoin, and I don't really see any meaningful problem having disagreements and even vocalizing some of those disagreements with passion and intensity, but some of the bitcoin naysaying or alt coin pumpening ends up rising to the level of destruction rather than constructive disagreements, and going to be more difficult to earn merits for those kinds of destructive peeps who at least do not try to work towards making bitcoin better rather than printing their own seemingly get-rich-quick-wannabe scheme coin, seems to me.

I have to engage in some of my end of the year analysis of a lot of "where the fuck I am at, more precisely," but my tentative assessment in the early December time frame had put me at about 97% in BTC.. and I have some jiggering around that I have to do based on some anticipated fiat expenses... so sometimes there is dancing around regarding how much fiat is available to buy on further dips and how much has already been put into the system and will it be removed or not, and under what circumstances.

We always assert that any changes in BTC (such as selling) should be accomplished at a time of your own choosing, rather than being forced into such situation at a time that is not convenient for you based on lack of adequate and sufficient planning.... especially planning for worser-case scenarios that could happen.


I have that sense that it is NOT going below $5k.. but surely have a plan for such, just in case... even if it is not the most ideal plan... it is there... so yeah, a lot of us long term HODLers and buyers on dips likely have similar strategies.. and likely even d_eddie has had to tweak some of his leveraging strategies that involved shorts based on the toughness in figuring out how to play /prepare for down when we have already have witnessed so much down already.

Based on that representation, you seem to be way more prepared for $1k than me, even though I have been doing this preparation for buying all the way down longer than you...  so it seems..

Anyhow, I certainly would have to rejigger my amounts if BTC prices (buy amounts and increments) were to start to get into the lower $5ks in order to prepare for possibly down to $3k,....

I would still be attempting to buy below $3k, if BTC prices were to go there, and to have funds available to buy with income coming in, as we go down, if we were to go there, but I have to admit that I would likely transition into much more of a HODL status (kind of running out of money situation if BTC prices were to go below even $4k... meaning I have likely already blown a lot of my wadd along the way in a kind of gambling anticipation that BTC prices can ONLY go so low and are NOT likely to go much below certain price points and I am not likely to have a whole hell of a lot of spare fiat to buy with, if BTC prices were to sink to such extreme levels)....

Anyhow, there is still money that is anticipated to come in for me, depending on how long such a "going down" were to happen (if it were to happen) and there would be some spare money in the fiat funds (like there always has tended to be based on ongoing preparations to always have "some" money for buying on dips), but through my past experiences, it just seems that there has not been as much when the dips are so damned prolonged and so damned low and at a certain point.. there is not much left to do except for HODL and just buy with whatever sparingly amounts that seem to trickle in and can be spared to add to the then seemingly BIG ass BTC bags.. which seems to mean that not going to be as much in terms of fiat as had already been bought at higher prices.. which is part of the reason that I would have to rejigger in the $5k to $5.5k price arena just to reallocate what I actually have and what I anticipate to have in order to have the money available for further BTC price drops (would NOT mean that I sell any BTC because I ONLY sell BTC when it goes up and I buy BTC when it goes down.. absent some very rare and beyond expectation personal circumstances...and even then I would have some other resources that I would be able to draw into before touching BTC funds).

I personally don't see how you, mindrust, can do both.  I don's see how you can "go all in" and also "buy that fucking dip too".. which just does not mean that you had really gone "all in".

Yeah, i understand that there are a few kinds of cash that any of us might have at our disposal. One kind of cash is what we actually have, another is based on anticipated cash flow that is anticipated to come in during a certain period of time, and another might be based on other resources that we can draw from in terms of our ability to employ debt from others and from institutions (so much that we are able to get or to leverage based on assets that we already have at preferential rates and so much at non-preferential rates depending on our "credit worthiness" and/or what we can use for leverage... of course, richer people have more that they can leverage, if they were to so chose.. and frequently prefer NOT to leverage very much and that is part of the reason that they have become "richie" in the first place... because they do not tend to engage in stupid / reckless leveraging behavior with what they have... hahahahahaha...even though they surely have way the fuck more assets and debt access abilities as compared to regular peeps).

Are you estimating getting to your "personal goal" within the next 3-4 months? within the coming year?  or some other more narrow timeline approximation?

Of course, we cannot really know BTC short-term prices with any kind of meaningful precision, but guestimating what is seemingly more likely to happen in BTC prices including that we might stay stagnant in a kind of $5k to $14k in the coming 6 months based on where we are at, which could even go on for 12 more months, perhaps, do you have an approximate date that you estimate to reach your "personal goal" amount?

Well, there went my attempt at being diplomatic, right down the drain.  

Vanished into thin air.  

Should not be a problem, unless either of us try to make it a problem.   Sometimes I cannot even remember with whom I said what, but sometimes certain user names will stand out, and maybe even some common theme and repeated discussion with the same person about the same topic within an updated context....

 Like you suggested there are a variety of ways to get disagreement, and sometimes tone is misunderstood and sometimes the back and forth could just devolve into differences in how things are said.....   

The main thing remains for each of us to choose when we want to engage or not to our own choosing, but then others can possibly profit from that engagement, too, since we are batting these ideas around in a public thread... and every once in a while there might be a bit of a devolution that can be taken to PMs... and I sometimes make those choices about certain topics, but I have had other members choose to contact me as well about somethings that sometimes I might have considered to be o.k. to keep in public, but I will tend to give at least some benefit of the doubt for members to have differing senses of discretion than me.. and even though sometimes it might not be guaranteed that a topic won't be said in public, but clearly there are some topics that are just not necessarily brought up in public... even though it sometimes happens... and, yeah there are some members who I would rather NOT deal with at all in any private conversation, but if they initiate a private conversation then sometimes there remains a decision about how much to get into anything in private or just moving the interaction back to public.

I guess that I am engaging in a long way of saying that it is probably much more acceptable to engage in a lot of repetition in a public thread than it would be in a private conversation... so for example if we were going on and on and on about a topic in a private written conversation, there may be more obligation to go back and read what had previously been said..whereas in public threads I would think of the exchanging of ideas as much less formal and therefore more socially acceptable to contain quite a bit of repetition... ... .. and maybe even a few flippant jokes thrown in there, in consideration of the audience....

It reminds me of a PM interaction that I had recently, and before I typed one of my messages, I was about to thrown in a joke that I would have done if the interaction had been done in a public thread, and after I thought about that joke for a while, I reconsidered my tone, and I decided to leave out the joke because it was a more formal interaction and there was NO audience to possibly appreciate the possible hilariousness (from my point of view) of the matter beyond the one recipient.



This might be one of those cases in which the joke should have been funny, whether you are german or not...... hahahahahaha

Roach might NOT appreciate such a joke, but I can hardly think of any member here who matters who gives two ratts' asses about how roach might feel about any possible topic.... unless we might be beating up upon him or making fun of him in some kind of important way, which seem to be fair topics... the more belittling the better.     

I agree with you about John being a waffler who lacks much if any credibility.

I frequently like to assert that we have less than 1% world adoption of bitcoin, so in that regard, I would not go as far as asserting that we ONLY have .01%.  That seems a bit on the low end.

Can serve as good back up servant quarters for guys like Roach, too... .especially once grandma is NO longer with us, then he don't have no one to put him up no more.. while he is watching the ongoing relative stagnation of his PMs, while he is waiting for Armageddon that never comes, especially relative to BTC..


Who died and put you in charge of Lauda's cat?  In other words.... Nonsense!!!!!!

I consider my comment to be responding to the substance of what you are saying, and they are not attacking you personally, but they are attacking the idea of knowing or predicting BTC price movements with any certainty.

I would not consider attacks upon ideas  even if the tone is fun, strong, confrontational, flippant or some other variation to be destructive, because these are comments in a public thread about ideas and anyone can respond to such ideas, if they so choose, or refrain from such comments.

Of course, if a comment is directed at me, I am more likely to notice it and to consider responding to it, including the fact that if a comment is directed at me, it is also directed at a topic that is more likely to be of interest to me.

By the way, I attack Hairy barey's  fractal pattern ideas a lot, even though I tend to agree with a lot of them, but I do become a bit hostile with both TA and with impressions that seem to overly assign probabilities to short term BTC price directions, whether I am wrong or not, I believe that it takes a quite a bit of analysis to attempt to predict short term BTC price directions, and even if you get a lot of it right, human beings have a certain amount of free will, and there might be some lurking in the behind the scenes merely to prove that the majority was wrong in their attempts to ascribe high probability to price direction UP, DOWN, Sideways or whatever other variant is attempted  to be predicted in the short to medium term.

Of course, short to medium term can be less expensive to control than longer term, and of course if BTC prices can be manipulated beyond parameters, long term trajectories, might end up getting affected by that, too... perhaps, perhaps?


Hahahahaha

The germans have been under attack, recently....  


What is next?  Competition now coming through with the walls of long words?  Go figure!!!!!   

Seems that the bears came out of hibernation too early, and they are disoriented.... It's winter.  Go back to hibernation, BEARS!!!!!!



That is be call Koreck!!!!!!

You don't want to trade while napping, so HODL is the best approach.

And, better to be HODLing bitcoins rather than fiat... of course, you already know that.   

Shorts get squeezed again.  Some more.  Sucks to be shorting.           

Oh my!

Not going to let a little snow, mud or even Armageddon undermine your current and future funzies.   

Gotta admire the breher family lampoon vacation.   

2017..... fuck...... .


Mistakes were made.


Question becomes.  Should attempt to undo such mistakes now, or just leave things as they are.... and/or wait for better tools...

  I am afraid that some effort to take action now and separate coins, like you suggested bitserve, to split your coins into small manageable portions is just going to have a decent amount of potential to backfire in several ways... including not only the fees, as you mentioned, but also being able to go back and look at the same amount being split from a single source... reasonable inference that those are all owned by the same person, no?

Surely some tools are going to be developed, and seems that there are some on lightning network.  

Let's say that you have 1BTC in a single address, but you want to start spending BTC from that address in 2027 to live on and for anticipated extra luxurious spendings... You might already have your regular funds and accounts, but this next six months you have a BTC spending plan which involves Going on vacation, airplane tickets and hotels, renting a car or two, buying some groceries, going out eating, and since 1 BTC is $1 million in 2027, you consider that you are only going to need about .06 BTC ($60k) for all of your anticipated extra vacationing/splurging expenses for the next six months.  Accordingly, each month you send your .01 BTC from your 1btc address to your lighting channel, and as you spend those funds in the lightning channel, you replenish the channel with another .01BTC.  What is wrong with that?  Maybe you keep drawing from the same 1BTC address that gets depleted down to .94 over the next 6 months, but the recipient of the funds cannot see what address is funding your lightning channel, just can see that your channel has .01BTC or whatever amount that you need to make whatever purchases that you are making.

If that lightning channel tool is not available in 2027, then there could likely be other tool(s) that are available so that you could spend the equivalent of an extra $10k per month or whatever happens to be your budget, and not necessarily show from where the source funds are coming... AmiNOTrite?   I would not need to play around with the whole 1BTC at one time, just to incrementally spend from that source.. and it might even be way more manageable than if I had prematurely divided that 1 BTC into 1,000 equal parts or even 100 equal parts.. just might not be necessary to divide in advance.

I am interested in your "edit" comment at the end bolded above.  Do you really believe that there is such a thing as "buy"/"sell" signals?  Wouldn't we be MOAR richie if we knew about such purported signals?  Surely, after the fact we know all kinds of fucking things about the existence of such 20/20 hindsight buy/sell signals, but I doubt that they are so damned clear while in the midst of the process that any of us are going to transition into MOAR richie rather than MOAR poor for our gambling upon such bullshit purported signals.    

Good luck with playing around with your purported "buy"/"sell" signals...., this time is different....  


 

 


EXACTLY, roach!!!!!!!

The whole fucking world is against you, and that is why you refuse to buy back all the BTC that you sold in the $700 price arena. 

By the time that you figure out that it is better to buy BTC rather than to continue to complain about its inevitable UPness, grandma surely won't be feeding you cookies and milk any longer (in her basement... should go without saying).

Are you guaranteeing this?      Did you, first, consult with fucktwat bargain boyz?   

Tie her up next to the computer, and tell her that you are not going to feed her until she types at least one post every two weeks. It works every time (until it doesn't).  You will thank me later.