Don't know about Cryptosplit, but for my account, it was part of a loan default , and went to this guy Ume(who had given the loan) after original Twipple failed to repay loan.
I from my original account, had started a scam accusation that Ume was possibly giving out loans, only to get accounts from defaulters, and Ume had given himself a positive trust which I proved to be his alt.
Now later, I bought the account from him(from another account), and 2 months later Quickseller gave it a negative trust also saying that I am Ume, and another scammer tacoman, based on an address Twipple had posted for that loan request. I provided all proof that I bought it from Ume, and it was me because of whom Ume had got the negative trust, but Quickseller didn't believe me.
But he agreed to pagalwana owner's request to be sold and have the trust removed from his account.
I also did some recent research into the address Twipple had posted for the loan request, and found out some things, which led me to believe it was an exchange sites/gambling sites address, which usually sweeps addresses from multiple accounts.
So from what I can understand, you bought an account which was marked as a loan defaulted account. Right? So basically Quickseller is punishing you for a crime that the original owner did. It's sad if it has happened as if he was the escrow of this deal, he probably would need no proof that you bought that account. He himself sells loan defaulted accounts as well and says that the negative rating given by the loan giver will be removed after the loan is payed. Did you use an escrow to buy this account from Ume? Or you bought the account directly from Ume? In this case, again it's proved that account selling/buying shouldn't be allowed and basically buying an account that has a defaulted loan or belongs to a scammer can make it useless with a negative trust rating. |
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Yes. This is true even if account sales were somehow 100% eradicated as you would still have the possibility of hacked accounts. A signed message is also necessary to prove the terms of a trade with someone to the community in the event of a dispute. (PM's can also be used however it is more difficult and slower to prove content contained in a PM.
But a person would not NORMALLY go about asking the person to prove he owns the account while having an exchange/trade. Nobody till date has asked me for the same nor have I seen in other sections of this forum that anyone asks for a signed message openly while trading with them. Hacking happens now as well and there would be such a possibility whether or not the rules are implemented.
No, you are using rape/murder's lack of 100% enforcement as justification for your point that even if it is unenforcable, you should try. You say, well rapes and murders aren't 100% solved, but there are still laws! Which is 100% incorrect on all levels.
Are you a law abiding citizen? Are you saying that the laws are incorrect at all levels? Sorry if that's the case, it wouldn't be wise enough to tell you to implement rules that can help members from getting scammed. From all the above arguments, I cannot see how the forum is benefiting from these rules of account selling and creating multiple accounts. These rules are basically helping members to earn/scam other members. If everyone is happy with that, I cannot help but pray for those members who are going to be victims of such scams. More cases like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=936429.0 (where the accused had sold his green trust account which was later used to scam a well known scammer) might be reported. |
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You're seriously comparing rape/murder to selling forum accounts?
Exactly. Don't forget CP too. When selling forum accounts becomes against the law we may rethink the policy, but currently it's not. A very wise (may be) person has already argued and compared these two things:
Selling a "trusted" paypal account is certainly not a crime. Many things are used for money laundering and illegal things. I hear knifes are dangerous killing instruments, yet people use them daily to butter their bread. Dont jump to conclusions, I cant speak for paypal, but most bitcointalk account sales probably happen for paid signatures.
Rules are rules just as laws of a country. If one doesn't follow them, they basically are fraudulent people/criminals/psychos. But saying that rules/laws shouldn't be implemented because it will take place in the private/outside the country is completely illogical. |
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 I don't think there was an explanation needed for that statement as you(we) were talking about alts not TerminatorXL's post. I said that using alts is indeed helpful for things we need to hide our real accounts. For example, scam busting, drama, going against a person/community etc... TerminatorXL is doing one of the things and it is clearly seen. I don't think I need to explain this further. My question: What benefit does the forum get from multiple accounts (especially those accounts created using one IP address)?Your answer: I said that using alts is indeed helpful for things we need to hide our real accounts. I don't need any explanation now as you can't understand my question.
We need to investigate if we are doing a trade. People will be more careful knowing this fact.
A newbie doesn't generally check a TRUSTED user's account. It's like generalizing that all NEWBIES already have been stalking this forum and are aware about ACCOUNT SALES. When I was a newbie, I knew nothing about this and basically went by the trust received by the account. Security Log isn't enough. People can't truly know whether an account is sold or not. Only way we can assume is to ask a signed message considering Bitcoin address can be sold.
So every time I or any other member trades here should ask the user for a signed message? Because we can't create a lost of full bought/sold accounts and who bought it. Another reason is, having an alt is okay.
So why allow it and say it will make a user more aware? Aware of what? Of the fact that accounts are sold/bought? That point is discussed earlier that why is it harmful to sell a TRUSTED account. Now we can atleast know some of the sold accounts, what if it took outside forum? Higher chance is for "won't".
No use of the awareness except that members earn by selling/buying accounts. Newbies always get scammed as they aren't familar with it but this doesn't mean we shouldn't try to prevent it. The answer is we can't but we can reduce it. Banning sold accounts are not the way, though. Even trusted members turn out to be scammers. It doesn't increase nor decrease by a greater percentage. Both are balanced and trying to change one side will result in bigger problem. Scammers scam. Newbies are being victims as they ain't experienced here. Newbies are victims of most scams IRL too. There is no solution other than wiping scammers which is impossible out there.
Hmm...So the final result is, newbies will always get scammed if they don't investigate and they might not even know how to investigate. Preventing account sales can atleast decrease it IMO but nobody wants to even try this method. People who are happy earning money by account sales and newbies are sad that they need to suffer because of that. |
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Can't you see what TerminatorXL is doing? Posting with an alt. One of the best example. Hope that clears your doubt.
I dint know that the forum is benefiting from TX's posts. Then why they say he is trolling?
People think
Accounts are sold = Be more careful.
Accounts aren't sold because staff take care of it = Be less careful.
So you mean since accounts are being sold, scams would be less as people will try to investigate before trading/trusting a person? Does every member here follow this and truly investigate if the account was sold or not? By checking the seclog? Is that enough to know if the account was bought or sold? If account selling is allowed, why can't there be a list or thread where the account buyer/seller state their trade in open? Wouldn't that make it more better and prove that it's worth it? When it happens in the private, why then say that people will move outside the forum/have private transactions which would be worse. As of now, account selling takes place in private and not in the open. If you are trying to say this decreases scams, sorry to say but it is increasing day in and day out. So many newbies are getting scammed by the same scammer/old scammers as they create new accounts or members have sold their trusted accounts. |
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Shame on him! I thought he might be joking but he is seriously loving to SCAM people and teach them a lesson  Why did he admit this to you? I have never heard about a scammer to be so open about his thoughts except in cases when they talk to their lawyer. He has also given his other account Cointap a positive trust rating. This can be his other account (maybe): duckydonald https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=319166 |
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Not a surprise. There was another profile here pagalwana, who received a negative trust for being an alt of a scammer, he even had the exact same case like me, where the account was sold, and even after initially giving him a negative trust, Quickseller removed it after escrowing the deal to sell the account, where he was paid some fees for it. Do you mean that cryptosplit's account was sold too? The case you are talking about is fine IMHO as the person who bought the account does not deserve the negative trust of pagalwana. But in Cryptosplit's case, it seems odd as he is a scammer and has the negative ratings of Badbear as well but not of Quickseller. I want to know why because may be he escrowed the deal and according to him Cryptosplit is honest I'm sorry as I don't know your case. I haven't read about it yet. |
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Removal, no
Trim, yes
I think it is pretty clear that you just want the people who keep tagging all of your accounts and all of your HYIP's off of default trust so it will be easier for you to scam  The thing is that people throughout the community trust and respect me enough so that regardless of my status on default trust that they will listen when I say that I think you are running a particular scam so default trust or not, the "investments" that flow into your HYIP's will screech to a halt once I out them as being run by you  Isn't cryptosplit a scammer and runs a scam website? I can't see any feedback from you. Why? Is it because you worked as an escrow for him? You worked as an escrow inspite of knowing that it was an investment/scam site? Scammers profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=503558 |
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So many demands and still Quickseller puts them in their place.
I'd like to see a thread nominating Quickseller and Vod as global mods. Scammers would be out of luck.
He might be trustworthy but he uses abusive words while defending himself. Is that what a MOD should do while reasoning out with someone? I thought that MODs should make this place peaceful and not lose their temper while dealing with other members. |
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You can sort by name, etc though.
If your message was quoted, then probably you can search it in your email inbox with the search functionality else there is no other way except to remember the date/receiver's ID you sent that message to and sort your inbox based on the date/message/to.
How to sort? I tried with to, but it didn't work. Just saw the usual outbox page Go to your Outbox. Click the headers "Date" "Subject" "To". My Oubox gives me this link " https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;f=outbox;start=120;sort=subject;" while clicking on Subject. |
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If your message was quoted, then probably you can search it in your email inbox with the search functionality else there is no other way except to remember the date/receiver's ID you sent that message to and sort your inbox based on the date/message/to.
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You basically opened this thread so that the default trust members who get paid to give you ratings will be removed from that list right? LOL! You will any ways get negative trust for opening this thread.
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How much can you offer for $0.5 Skrill via BTC?
0.0022 btc OK. Are you willing to go first? I have INR 30.46 which is $0.5 and I am not sure about the Skrill fee that is charged. I can send you the amount INR 30.46 via Skrill when you send the bitcoins. PM me if interested. Edit: Thanks for the exchange  |
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It s not that simple. For example, Muslims in Indian (Central) Kashmir and those in Indian Jammu are not in good terms with each other. The former are mostly pro-Pakistan, while the latter are mostly pro-India. Here it is more to do with the ethnic divisions, rather than the religious ones. But religion does contribute in a significant way.
But that's still a generalization. I haven't seen their interviews or read about this happening where people are unhappy about living in India or Pakistan but have seen that mainly Pak is only interested in having Muslims from Kashmir and they start blaming India when a Muslim is blamed for anything. Similarly, it is in the case of India where Hindus in Pak are not leading a good life and this matter never ends. Within India itself, people go on the basis of religion where Maharashtrians should live in Maharashtra, Catholics in Goa, Biharis in Bihar and so on. People who want to live in India and Pak are free to migrate and I don't think anyone is stopping them. But here the fight is about the land and not the people. |
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1. Banning the sale of accounts is no different than banning the sale of crack, guns or CP in the same subs. Those are already verboten in those subs, and the mods aren't dropping from exhaustion.
Selling of accounts would just move to places outside this forum. How would you want the mods to crack down in that case? Why do you want it to happen on the forum? Any specific reason why should Account Selling be allowed here? To me there's just one reason that people Earn Bitcoins by doing so and hence they want it to happen. Nobody cares if people spam the forum by owning many accounts and scam members. If people move outside the forum and find any other means, they will be banned as this would be against the rules. I don't see any benefit to the bitcoin community or the forum by letting this happen. |
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How much can you offer for $0.5 Skrill via BTC?
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I have $0.5 in my Skrill account. If interested in buying the same via BTC, pm me.
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Then if you think you are in the right side, send a PM to theymos & open a thread here in the meta section (something of more articulated, not like TerminatorXL did with this thread).
I had opened a thread and got replies which went way off topic. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977435.0I thought that this Meta section is for discussing the forum rules rather than sending Theymos a PM which might not be entertained as I am not a reputed member here. |
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I think OgNasty expressed a valid point, also if the forum staff will put a rule don't you think a lot of users will 'bypass' it? This is the unique reason why buying & selling (or have more than one) forum account is not forbidden... because it is impossible to stop this practice.
You can answer my one question? What benefit does the forum get from multiple accounts (especially those accounts created using one IP address)? Any good reason why is it allowed? Also regarding members going against the rule. Laws are as well broken. That means there shouldn't be any law? Saying that as well does not make sense. Rules can atleast TRY to stop it. |
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Don't blame the forum. Blame the people buying old accounts and paying spammers to participate in signature campaigns. They're the ones funding this nonsense.
Why shouldn't I blame the forum? The forum rules have flaws and I am a member here. If I have an issue, I can't speak about it? The forum is letting people to create more than one account and hence inviting spammers to spam and scammers to scam. When the latter happens, the only thing is said "Scams aren't moderated." If the rule of creating more than one account and selling accounts is stopped, then that will be a positive change else everyone should just bear the flaws as of now. |
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