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12381  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 29, 2019, 06:33:19 PM


JJG!?

Don't be such a hater, P_Shep!!!!!  Angry Angry Angry  Though, I am not going to hold it against you that you don't appreciate that I have sent you the most merit loves out of any other member.... Hey,.... it seems to be part of my current duty in (my could be bot?) life to share the merit love when members post something that makes some kind of sense to me, or resonates with me in some kind of way or whatever other quasi-random and illogical critieria I end up attempting to employ whether you hating on me or not....    Tongue Tongue Tongue  hahahhahahahaha...

but if you hating too much, I might transition into my "grumpy kitty"tm mode.. oh wait???  some other "non-specified" user already has a seemingly uncontrolled (and maybe sometimes intentionally unintentional) tendency to devolve into that under-appreciated quasi-irrational mode... .  Tongue Tongue Tongue


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12382  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 29, 2019, 06:18:48 PM
And just for fun...



I understand that you are trying to be facetious and fun, but holy fucking shit nutildah.. pretty poor humor to put that attention whore fraudster (who has already received way too much attention) on such a joke card, even if it is a joke.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
12383  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2019, 02:47:56 PM
The halving is in 6 months Bossian, you’re either trolling or totally retarded if you think $4,000 is likely with a block reward halving imminent. That’s a 50% drop from here. It just isn’t going to happen.

Look at the price movements leading up to & following the previous block reward halvings.
You clearly have no idea what you’re doing or you’re trolling & I can’t figure out which.
 
Halving either won't have an impact, or it will but certainly not before 2 or 3 years. It only it was that simple, everyone would be making money with the halving coming soon. That's extremely simplistic to think this way.

Want to put your money where your mouth is?

0.05BTC bet?

  • I say we see a new ATH before 2022
  • You say we won’t?

Deal.

We won't see 19k again in 2020 or 2021, book it.

Hope you will honor this bet Smiley I will if wrong.

Deal!

I’m a man of my word!
 

I trust LFC.. for it, but seems like an escrow deal to me because Bossian is the way more likely to lose the bet (especially out to 2022... holy fuck) and has not been around for very long.

https://archive.is/tilzS

here's your silly bet archived by a fourth party

note that LFC has far more to lose in terms of reputation than Bossian

Bet has been archived. It will stay there, no need to do anything stupid like a contract. Let’s just see how it plays out, pretty sure I will win Smiley

Now when 8k Wink
Agree, I will be there too and will keep my word no matter what. 0.05 is not that big anyway with the trading profits made since last year.

But But what about the trading losses by the day of payment.......... we Wall Observers think about all possible scenario's in order of payment and keeping word etc  Tongue

Who knows.

Another possible scenario, Bitcoin price is below $1 at the end of 2021, in that case no one needs to honor his bet at such ridiculous price (that's a very unlikely scenario though).

By the way that goes without saying but considering price fluctuation I would expect a payment within 3 business days starting from January 1, 2022, hope LFC is fine with these terms.

Bet is likely to be resolved in LFC's favor way before 2022... perhaps early 2020... but could drag out to 2021.. surely there are a lot of days in 2021... 365 if I remember my maths correctly.

12384  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2019, 02:39:45 PM
Someone betting on GOLD going to $4,000:

Bold Bets That Gold Could Triple to $4,000 Trade in New York

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Around noon in New York Wednesday, 5,000 lots of a gold option giving the holder the right to buy the precious metal at $4,000 an ounce in June 2021 changed hands. The bets were sold at $3.50 an ounce.



First thoughts:

  • If gold goes to $ 4,000, what happens to digital gold?
  • Might be something hedging their short positions on gold (like, but opposite to, Ray Dalio buying puts on the S&P?)


Sounds like a lot of hopium to me...




Goldbugs have been wishing for something like that for more 10 years.  Instead, we have bitcoin... The gold thing is way inferior to bitcoin in a lot of ways and a more than doubling does not seem to have more than a 10% of happening, so we should NOT be taking such pie in the sky scenarios in regards to gold more than doubling in the next couple of years too seriously.
12385  Economy / Speculation / Re: Changed my opinion about the ABC correction on: November 28, 2019, 02:29:04 PM
Thought it could be a flat ABC but looks like it's a zigzag.




For those who didn't follow the Elliott Wave analysis, this is a typical tool used for trading, very well known and successful, we are clearly seeing this at the moment:



I would say possible price 4k next year, maybe 3k if C point is in line with the top of wave 3, but it's too tough to call exact prices.

Anyway, bear trend is crystal clear.

There is always a possibility to break above 12k, which would change the whole trend but this is not likely at all (unfortunately).

The best thing for Bitcoin would be to go back to 1k, that would be very healthy and a good chance to accumulate Bitcoin, but there would be panic and most of you would not buy (I would!!).

Going back to 1k is possible but it's gambling at this stage. On the other hand going back to 4k is very likely (my humble opinion).

There should be a bounce back to 9k area soon but the trend is clearly showing a 4k price for next year. Please forget about the halving by the way this is a delusional bet.

I for once place a sell order at 9k and wait for next year scenario but a price of 1k would be fantastic. That's a very long term scenario though. I would even say 1k would be necessary for another big peak at 20k (and possibly above).



I make this thread self moderated but the Belgian guy is allowed to post as long as he doesn't predict a price of 25k for end of December  Grin I promise I won't delete anyway  Kiss


@ another guy who a few days ago called the zigzag ABC correction. kudos to you (sorry forgot the username).



Constructive opinions always welcome   Tongue

Bitcoin is too immature to fit into such a pattern.

You need to account for s-curve exponential adoption, growing bitcoin networking effects (as outlined by trace mayer) and the seeming application of the four year fractal pattern and PlanB's stock to flow model.  Your little drawing seems inadequate in terms of accounting for those four dynamics that are also affecting price and putting upwards, rather than downward pressures upon its medium term trajectory.   You will thank me later.   Wink
12386  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Asshole Tannery on: November 28, 2019, 02:24:01 PM
Finally a place where the assholes of the world can unite and talk about.. uhm.. their assholes ?  Undecided
Do we get a new poll about this new topic as well ?

Edit : mmmm maybe we should first address current poll.
question : does Mic own a boat ? Could help with the voting....

He don't like boats, so there's that.

You see what happens......

hahahaha...

Moral lesson.


Stop doing the things that you do not like.   Angry Angry Angry


lol
where the hell is Bob?

Packing for vacation. Rick and I are heading to Turks and Caicos tomorrow to tan our assholes. Will be back early next week.

Pics or it didn't happen!

STFU JJG ...... Thursday is here thank youuuu

Since so many peeps had been suggesting that they could have their own day in the week, I though that I had been forgotten. 


Thank you so very much for remembering.....  Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue







In other words, get a life..., and go look for either 1) your nano or 2) the back-up seed!!!!!!!


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
12387  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2019, 02:22:11 PM
........but for 2020 no reason to be optimistic. I will personally sell at 9k and wait for another buy point which would be around 4k next year.


PS: there is nothing "trolling" about calling bear trends. It is crystal clear the trend is bearish right now and will last for at least 6 months. 

I would say that scenario is pretty bearish.  Of course, you are not calling for zero, but you are fairly strongly asserting that $6,515 is not our bottom for this part of the correction.  I actually am o.k. that $6,515 might end up getting tested again, and part of the reason is that we are still within pretty close striking distance of that price.

So, $4k scenario is another thing, which seems difficult to get to, especially since we already had about 85% correction and then another 62% correction which seems more than sufficient in order to largely resume up, but to perhaps again challenge the 62% part of it.... but $4k would bring us pretty damned close to challenging the 85% which seems to ignore a lot of the development and even the scarcity aspects of bitcoin, including that some people coming into bitcoin largely remove their coins from liquidity and they do not trade them or even put them in a place that is tradeable.

Regarding your not to be optimistic about 2020 assertion, perhaps there could be some sense that any additional attempted testing of the bottom could carry on and take a decent while to resolve, yet the halvening brings strong physical pressures on supply, that will likely become stronger and stronger felt, especially as time passes after the halvening.... and even players like BAKKT seem to be making certain demands of some of the BTC supply, and some of those likely larger players getting into bitcoin through BAKKT are going to become enlightened to bitcoin, but also learn about the direct buying of bitcoin and holding their own stash, which means more BTC removed from the market... so we will see, we will see.  I think what you are describing is in the lower than 25% probability area rather than really any kind of scenario that should be treated seriously in terms of more probable paths that are surely less bearish, and really more bullish... which does seem to be the more likely path that we are on... we are in a bull market, by the way, so there is that, too... and we would have to get out of the bull market before bearish scenarios would approach 50/50 probabilities.   Tongue
12388  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Asshole Tannery on: November 28, 2019, 05:00:10 AM
@PAASHAAS indeed I don't understand some people and how they are attached to what they know "FIAT", they act like they believe and know BTC + it's fundamentals etc but actually only interested to see a net worth "FIAT" rise Roll Eyes

A very know thing of people that I have noticed over time is that they just emotionally can't handle a balance drop...

Like when a person has an X-net worth they wanna achieve an X-goal and when thats reached they will do everything to not going under that again...

Probably true coiners will be hoping to achieve X-amount of coin and when achieved they don't wanna go under

Only most people doesn't understand they have to live (be smart of-course and don't trow away money etc but live), also in order to gain more of what one likes to gain you might need to invest and go under your previous achieved amount .... but thats just how things work, then again some people are just emotionally not able and will always be herd animals, whiteout taking necessary risks...

I have respect for most and many of the WO's and I know many thinking right (If what I think is right ?? maybe i'm wrong  Undecided).... But if i'm right then many are like minded though I know some people that have to work on there approach towards BTC etc Roll Eyes

I think that we learn a lot through age and practice.

Not too many people receive an education regarding how to handle their finances when they are young, so many have to learn on their own, and attempt to be somewhat astute about it.  Surely, this seems to be another area where the rich are likely advantaged, because we do not necessarily need to learn all of the most painful lessons of life through experience in the event that we have good models in our life that we can emulate.

So, good techniques and practices can supplement experience, and also starting out with a large pot can also provide a lot of advantages and even cushion for screwing up.

I certainly do not frown on any money building technique that includes preservation of wealth or even constant building of wealth rather than risking too much or going into debt in order to increase odds to increase wealth through investing that debt.. and of course picking investment that have odds in your favor, too... and yeah, sometimes, it can pay off well to take risk - but it might not be necessary, especially if you already have a decent amount of wealth through acquisition or merely as a starting point.

A few days ago, I went back and reviewed some of my historical investment strategies, and I had kind of concluded that I was balling in some kind of way because I had built a decent amount of wealth for myself through the years, merely by living within my means and always investing (even small amounts) and not really taking BIG chances in terms of gambling on investments that had low chances of success.

I also believe that there surely is a BIG ASS (and kind of unfair) multiplier effect that exists for people who never have to go into debt in order to multiply their wealth.  I probably would have never come nearly as close to as wealthy as I had been able to become if I had not had access to debt instruments and to use those kinds of debt instruments towards investing rather than consumption... .. deferred gratification and all of that (NOTE: I am not specifically referring to whatever I presume to know about your personal situation here, mic, so don't get all huffy and puffy and personal about whatever I am saying because I am trying to refer to general concepts of using money to make money by investing rather than consuming... at least while a guy (or gal) is in the early stages of wealth accumulation attempts).
12389  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Asshole Tannery on: November 28, 2019, 04:35:14 AM
Finally a place where the assholes of the world can unite and talk about.. uhm.. their assholes ?  Undecided
Do we get a new poll about this new topic as well ?

Edit : mmmm maybe we should first address current poll.
question : does Mic own a boat ? Could help with the voting....

He don't like boats, so there's that.
12390  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2019, 04:27:15 AM
God damn......  Angry Angry

Just when I was done with spinning course... I treated myself on a Pizza Quatro formaggi + 3 rosé wines on rocks....

Then when I was outside I realised I lost all of my BTC on a boating incident few days back  Cry  Cry

I'm here now only to write and believe but damn that boating trip F***

That should help you to reign in some of your ostentatious and extravagant demonstrations of consumption, hopefully.      Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



Before Mic can answer, perhaps he'll indulge us by letting us participate in the new poll.

Old poll:


The conditions of the old poll have not even been met, yet.  we are still in the middle....

AmiNOTrite?

It was a close battle, with the bullet barely missing the $6,500 mark. $7,500 it is.
Shut up Jay.


Hey!!!!!   Don't shoot the messenger.  Cool


Shouldn't you, infofront, be rejoicing the nice little bouncity bounce of our mutual lil fiend, aka corn?

I'm going to refrain from saying much more at this particular moment on this point (unless I can think of something important or witty) since I fraidie kitty to jinx any possible delicate thingie-ma-jiggilie... not that I am superstitious. ...






.. carma and all dat....  Wink
12391  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2019, 03:55:33 AM
Seriously wtf is going on? I can imagine this is one guy pumping and dumping... Because there is no fucking interest in cryptos atm.

Look who either oversold or failed to sufficiently buy back in.     Shocked Shocked Shocked   


If you do not pee pare ur lil selfie for both up and down, you deserve to get REKKT... and no sympathies for down pushers/hopers, especially when we have already recently experienced more than sufficient down.  Tongue
12392  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2019, 03:42:32 AM
Bitcorn number go up !

[Gay Screaming]

Surely, great to rejoice these kinds of bounces.

Even if such bounce is not permanent, it surely has reached more than a solid $1,111.11 distance from the near $6,515 local bottomm, which feels good, man.  #nohomo
12393  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2019, 03:40:58 PM
[edited out]
I hope he meant his day trading stash and not his actual hodling coins. Can't go and bet gambling the entire hoard.

I hope so too. How much did you lose? For the next time, Goosy, join my telegram daytrading channel Signalarity and follow my trades.  Cool

Oh gawd!!!!!!   Now you are pumpening ur lil selfie?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


@r0ach.... family tradition ??

That looks like an awesome blowjob lineup.

Also, what happened to you Goosy? Whats this about a boat? Apologies, I was keeping away from corn until the corn stopped scaring me.

I tried my best but I huffed some hopium and now I am here.

When you 80x too frequently, it comes back to bite you, and peeps never talk  (or brag) about their losses... that's one of the major problems of going 80x more than one time (after you had already gotten lucky, even though admittedly it had been an accident).   Squander away all gains plus more and maybe even end up going completely broke out of desperation.  it tends to be an illness for anyone who plays more than once.

Thats why you never go over 2x. Hell, you could go 1.5x and still make a nice profit while being sure that your liquidation point is never reached.


How could you ever accidentally go 80x, then?  how could that be a typo from 2x?  Maybe a typo from 8x?  Maybe your more adventurous days?  Maybe you learned your lesson?  One and done?  Living off the profits of an "innocent" and crazy-ass "mistake" that worked out in your favor?

It was an 8x mistake. I was about to take the fee losses and back out when in the next second BTC shot up. Just a lucky coincidence. I would not have made any big losses either way. I have made mistakes like that. Or mistakes like accidently closing my position because I was on the wrong subaccount. But then again when you are a veteran daytrader you can allow yourself a bit of room under 10x as long as you know exactly what you are doing and how to take losses if something goes awry...

I have made mistakes too.... for example selling when I meant to buy or buying when I meant to sell, but since my trades are only 1x, most of the time, I can just ride it out and the market will usually come back in order that I can correct my mistake, otherwise, I can just ride it to the other side in which I just am out of the loop for a little while.  There are not too many ways to lose if you are just playing 1x so long as you are not playing BIG and engaging in incrementalism and largely just attempting to stack sats which is betting that overall we are going up in the longer term.


Currently in this market, I would never go over 4x.

Surely way more adventurous than me, because I don't play any leverage, and I am not even motivated to learn.. since I have been doing just great with a simple 1x arrangement.   But to each his own, and I understand that there can be ways to play your leverage tight and to allow it to work for you to make it more profitable than 1x arrangements... furthermore, I don't short, so I am always going long or closing longs rather than shorting, so there is that angle, too.
12394  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2019, 03:04:08 PM
the halving event will have an effect on the price. maybe with some delay but it is not so called "priced in" yet. it cannot be "priced in" because it is a fundamental change of Supply. even if the Demand stays at this current level the price will go up.

EDIT: is mic a team or just Mic + Cryptoqueen?  Grin

he's a geese rather than a goose

 Wink
12395  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2019, 03:02:25 PM
Bitcoin explosion is in the air.

The volumes at Bakkt are broken almost daily. If we assume that the volume on a coin market cap is 90% fake and Bakkt represents true volumes, then Bakkt is now more than 1 percent of the total volume on market cap. Here Bakkt comes to the point that they need so many bitcoins that there will be a shortage on the market. It is only a quarter to two in the afternoon and the trade in America has yet to start and Bakkt is already at 10 million volume. Today or tomorrow, Bakkt will cover the 25 million bitcoins. That is equal to 1 / 8000th part. Enough to make the market explode. I expect the bitcoin to be at $ 25,000 within a month. Then another 50,000.
Now maybe. the moment to buy in

A friend just send me this true what’s app from one or other Belgian link, I don’t know (can’t provide) the true source, but what you thinking about this??

#hopium.....

Personally, I am starting to question some of this BAKKT volume too.  I question tradition financial institutions and their possible shenanigans.  Didn't BAKKT say that they were settling in BTC.... I hope so, but I have my doubts about these kinds of matters that could be inflating BTC's supply through investors who are ready, willing and able to put up enough dollar collateral, then really are the BTC necessary?  Or perhaps BAKKT has to have the BTC because they could get REKKT pretty god damned BIG if BTC prices go shooting up and they don't have the BTC to settle the claims, so BIG players might not want to fuck around like that, but I still don't trust BIG players... sorry, it is just my skepticism regarding traditional financial institutions already existing cultural acceptance/practices to engage in fractional reserve shenanigans.. and hoping it all works out of the market moves against them.
12396  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2019, 02:53:13 PM

@r0ach.... family tradition ??

That looks like an awesome blowjob lineup.

Also, what happened to you Goosy? Whats this about a boat? Apologies, I was keeping away from corn until the corn stopped scaring me.

I tried my best but I huffed some hopium and now I am here.

When you 80x too frequently, it comes back to bite you, and peeps never talk  (or brag) about their losses... that's one of the major problems of going 80x more than one time (after you had already gotten lucky, even though admittedly it had been an accident).   Squander away all gains plus more and maybe even end up going completely broke out of desperation.  it tends to be an illness for anyone who plays more than once.

Thats why you never go over 2x. Hell, you could go 1.5x and still make a nice profit while being sure that your liquidation point is never reached.


How could you ever accidentally go 80x, then?  how could that be a typo from 2x?  Maybe a typo from 8x?  Maybe your more adventurous days?  Maybe you learned your lesson?  One and done?  Living off the profits of an "innocent" and crazy-ass "mistake" that worked out in your favor?
12397  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2019, 02:49:06 PM
10k objective. It is very possible.

The volume profile indicates that it can arrive without much effort, the bulls can achieve it .. It would totally change the face of the market.




According to Katie Stockton:

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She sees a breakout above $10,000 as a “a nice positive catalyst from a technical perspective”, but says traders will need to keep a watching brief for a confirmed breakdown or a bullish breakout

Source: https://en.ethereumworldnews.com/bitcoin-price-fragile-bullish-breakout-possible-above-10000-upbit-hack/


Could be bullish for bitcoin, in the sense that honey badger gets some kinds of jaded pleasures from the seeming inevitabilities of the fuck ups that relate to various shitcoins - even if such fuck up(s) wasn't exactly ethereum's fault that there exist either scammy or hacked exchanges that are dealing with your inflated, scammy or hard to verify quantity of coins, if they can be called that?
12398  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2019, 02:34:36 PM
V8 has to pay up in February 2020

It’s important it hangs over his head for as long as possible

Don't spend it all in one place.....


Forced deferred gratification....  but who should be complaining about "free" monies (except there was a bet on the line, and there is that)...... Tongue Tongue
12399  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2019, 05:46:09 AM
This is post #1:





The irony when we see some posts in this thread blaming the use of TA.

 Let it go man; that attitude will age you prematurely.  This thread has morphed into a community-based, semi-autonomous chat board - the initial post has historical value only.  There's only one rule in here and I can't, for the life of me, remember it.

It's don't write FUCK YOU FATTY, if you do that it will get deleted.


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


That's why I come here so frequently... . for the lulz....


So funny that you, Arriemoller, can't get over a few deleted posts... especially and in spite of you obviously being in the wrong.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
12400  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2019, 05:40:57 AM
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@r0ach.... family tradition ??

That looks like an awesome blowjob lineup.

Also, what happened to you Goosy? Whats this about a boat? Apologies, I was keeping away from corn until the corn stopped scaring me.

I tried my best but I huffed some hopium and now I am here.

When you 80x too frequently, it comes back to bite you, and peeps never talk  (or brag) about their losses... that's one of the major problems of going 80x more than one time (after you had already gotten lucky, even though admittedly it had been an accident).   Squander away all gains plus more and maybe even end up going completely broke out of desperation.  it tends to be an illness for anyone who plays more than once.
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