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1241  Economy / Economics / Re: The poor people with their reasoning on: December 27, 2022, 06:19:24 AM
For the poor, they like to make money but don't want to take risks, while cryptocurrencies can be profitable but need to take risks. For me this is a very difficult case, I will not convince anyone, but if there is a chance I will share the opportunity with them, and accept it or not, I want them to decide for themselves. We should not interfere too much with them because we are not them, we do not know the difficulties they are facing.
Not only the poor if it is a matter of making money. Because rich people also like to make money by understanding the risks and also trying to avoid risks when looking for money. And in this case I also agree with what you said where we don't need to convince anyone in terms of making money through anything, because besides we don't know what problem they are facing, maybe they also have a slightly different way than what we suggest. So it's better not to convince him or suggest it because every job always has its own risks and those who want to or are doing it must really understand it.

I think it is a matter of luck too - sometime people get rich in an instant - these days many poor people are getting richer by making one video only.
And we middle class people keep wondering why we work hard and keep struggling. But we never get rich. That is what the life is about.
One's luck cannot be guessed or predicted, because basically every fortune has been arranged by God and every human being only needs to try through work, work, and work even though there are boredom and obstacles that we have to face. So there is no need to wonder why other people get rich in an instant because it will consume your mind's energy and your precious time in thinking about it continuously.
1242  Economy / Economics / Re: Save your environmental economic cycle on: December 27, 2022, 06:04:56 AM
Hi, friends.

We are currently in a chaotic phase of global economic uncertainty, everywhere in the world is almost similar to this situation in terms of economy, energy scarcity, food scarcity and many others. but that's not what will be discussed with friends here.

A few days ago I was walking around the housing complex, and I noticed that a lot of grocery stores and other needs (conventional/retailers) had gone bankrupt, maybe this happened because prices were soaring even worse, and people prefer to buy from online stores instead of buying from neighbours, which causes the economy to slow down is undeniably this is the impact of the global economic chaos and technological advances.
Hi also,
If you don't want to talk about the economy, energy scarcity, food scarcity and many others, why do you mention these in the discussion of this topic?
Anyway, if their bankruptcy (conventional traders/retailers) is caused by many consumers using the online shop application to shop for their needs for reasons of low prices, it means that conventional traders/retailers are currently still relying on wholesale shops or the like to buy goods so they have to sell them at a higher price.

In fact, many sales or wholesale store owners who have warehouses to accommodate goods also use online applications to order goods which are then resold to conventional traders/retailers. So it would also be better if conventional traders/retailers wanted to use the online shop application to order their goods so they could compete at a price that was slightly cheaper than what they usually sell.

I am a person who very often uses online shop applications when I want to shop for needs such as clothes, motorcycle parts, but I still buy daily necessities around my own environment or at conventional traders/retailers. I know this will make conventional traders/retailers look very miserable because they feel a decline in their sales, but that doesn't mean we have to blame the online application developers, because these parties also provide better service and according to what consumers need.

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If you are a person who has money to shop for daily needs, I suggest you buy from merchants around you instead of shopping online whose stores are far from your place. This must be done to turn the wheels of the economy in your neighbourhood and save them from bankruptcy, at least you give them space to live.
Your suggestion is not wrong, but they (conventional traders/retailers) must also see more opportunities in running their business at this time, because there will always be competition from various parties and those who do not update and still maintain the old way of doing things. trading or trying to expand their business with old methods, they will fall behind and go bankrupt in the end. So for now they (conventional traders/retailers) have to use new methods in order to further develop their business and avoid bankruptcy.
1243  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Perubahan Pedoman Pasar Fisik Aset Kripto, Nomor 8 Tahun 2021 oleh BAPPEBTI on: December 27, 2022, 03:01:50 AM
Mohon maaf sebelumnya om. Jika boleh saya sarankan untuk topik ini ada baiknya dikunci saja om, karena mengingat tujuan dan referensi yang om sampaikan ini sangat sama dengan apa yang telah diupdate oleh om @abhiseshakana di topik Re: Perkembangan Perdagangan Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency sebagai aset komoditas dan lagi pula om @Chikito juga telah memberi saran kepada om melalui topik Re: [HELP]Bantuan untuk menaikkan Rank (Newbie s.d Hero) V.2 [UPDATE] yang secara intinya menyuruh untuk melanjutkan pembahasan tentang ini pada topik om @abhiseshakana yang masih sangat aktif sampai sekarang. Jadi saran saya untuk topik yang ini lebih baik dikunci saja om.
1244  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Adakah rekomendasi untuk perdagangan p2p selain di binance? on: December 27, 2022, 02:34:31 AM
Izinkan saya untuk memberikan sedikit saran yang semoga saja bisa membantu om @Ahli38 dalam mencari bursa lain yang memiliki dan melayani perdagangan P2P. Sebenarnya ada banyak bursa sekarang yang telah memiliki fitur P2P tersebut, cuma saya secara pribadi juga tidak menggunakan begitu banyak bursa kalau keperluannya hanya sebatas berdagang melalui P2P. Sehingga saya juga tidak tahu berapa jumlah biaya atau tarif yang dikenakan pada setiap bursa dalam hal jual dan juga dalam hal beli.

Saya mencoba mencari hal ini dari beberapa sumber dan dalam hal pasar yang didukung, harga, keramahan pengguna, dan metrik penting lainnya. Platform pertukaran crypto P2P terbaik dapat ditemukan pada daftar di bawah ini serta ada dua sumber yang akan saya bagikan disini untuk om supaya om bisa membuat pertimbangan sendiri karena memang bursa yang melayani P2P ini sangatlah banyak. Di cryptonews.com ada 8 bursa, sedangkan di learn.bybit.com ada 15 macam bursa yang memiliki P2P, silahkan om lihat dan periksa secara satu per satu siapa tahu ada diantara bursa tersebut yang sangat cocok untuk om gunakan sesuai dengan keperluannya.

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1245  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 26, 2022, 03:08:55 AM
After Haaland's move from Dortmund, their team has had some problems in attack. For which they are not performing very well. The team needs to add a good attacking player at this point.
Dortmund still have the chance to see a good attacking player in the transfer market if they have more money to spare and also if they are willing to improve their attack line even more for the rest of the season. Because Dortmund needs to fight to get a better position than now if Dortmund still want to be within the scope of the Champions League for next season.

And Dortmund is not seeing this to be problem , they sell key players and never think if it will affect the performance of the teams. Dortmund only cares about the money they will make in selling their players.
If Dortmund only cares about money, it is clear that the team's performance will not get an increase because they only train players for them to resell when these players have got good results. I also don't know how the Dortmund team will think if they only set the goal of making money without having a trophy every season.
1246  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin hit 2022 low again? on: December 26, 2022, 02:53:09 AM
No, we are nearing the end of the year and bitcoin is also slowing down, so I predict we have bottomed in 2022. As for the market situation in 2023, I think we will see declines rather than bulls as we head into the new year. There is no sign that the market will get better in the coming days.
If you don't think there's a sign of a next year's uptick in Bitcoin, have you seen a lot of signs of a drop in Bitcoin's price over the next year? Because I really can't make precise predictions at certain times for increases and decreases in Bitcoin. So these are the two possibilities that are still hard to tell when I'm still in 2022. I'd like to know what kind of picture you're seeing for the Bitcoin market so say we're going to see a decline rather than an increase in the next year
1247  Economy / Economics / Re: Avoid running into financial ruin this Christmas! on: December 26, 2022, 02:31:01 AM
Enjoying life does not mean that we will spend extravagantly, but we should not be too stingy with ourselves. We have worked hard for 365 days non-stop and now it's time for us to rest and recharge to prepare for the next 365 days of hard work. I think that's the meaning of the new year, is for everyone to relax and enjoy.
The goal is not to spend extravagantly if you just want to enjoy the end of the year more pleasantly, because that is not a good thing and it can also make everyone forget to save money in starting the new year which will soon be coming. Resting with the aim of recovering energy (both brain power in thinking and energy of all members of the body) which is often used in work is still very logical because fatigue must be present after work.

But I prefer to relax with no burden or pressure on my mind while having a vacation on the beach with my family, even though it costs money, it's a very reasonable thing to spend at the end of the year. Because as you said that we should not be stingy for ourselves and I think that also includes the family.
1248  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Be aware of Santa Bitcoin, stay ahead. on: December 26, 2022, 02:06:13 AM
I think it is a time to be careful because many of Santa giveaway can arise with this season. We have to be careful not only with the Christmas scam. There is other way you can be scammed not only in Santa. You can get email message to sign in to link and that can be dangerous. This happen to me sometimes but I have to respond not to get into trouble.
If you occasionally receive messages or links that are not important via the email that you manage, I don't think you need to respond further, because it is better to block or delete without further opening. Clicking on unimportant links or links sent via e-mail where the link is completely unknown to you will also be very dangerous. Because scams can also occur via links that are deliberately shared in everyone's email.
1249  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin My Best Chrismas Gift on: December 26, 2022, 01:56:07 AM
So I decided to put some smiles on my face this season by buying Bitcoin as a Christmas gift for myself.
yesterday I and my friend/colleagues went to a shopping market for some Christmas shopping we were 6 in number and we all went to the market after receiving our Christmas bonuses from work.
It looks so amazing because after a full year working for a place you can feel the bonus to buy Bitcoin and shop where you like. Christmas celebrations at the end of the year for you will be a very good moment, whatever is spent now can also be used to celebrate the new year, which will arrive soon.

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My colleagues bought some fine shoes and other expensive items/ wears for themselves and every one of them was expecting me to do some picking myself because we all agreed to go on group shopping but on our way to the market I already have a rethink and a change of mind.
I don't think there's anything wrong with your colleagues either, because they buy expensive shoes and clothes to celebrate Christmas and maybe to celebrate the new year too. And don't they know about Bitcoin ? If they don't know about buying Bitcoin by the end of the year, it's only natural that they only want to buy shoes and clothes and so have no interest in buying Bitcoin like you do.

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I decided to spend my money buying myself some Christmas gifts which is Bitcoin instead of buying some expensive clothes or shoes I decide to carry the digital Gold BTC  in my wallet, instead of wearing shit that will soon get worn out.
Actually there is a better idea if the number of bonuses you receive is more. You can set aside at least the amount of bonus money you receive to buy clothes and shoes also for Christmas and for the new year. And the rest you can buy Bitcoin with the remaining amount, so you can get new shoes, new clothes and Bitcoin at the end of this year which will make your Christmas and New Year more enjoyable because you can buy three different things at the end of the year. Even though buying Bitcoins while still wearing old worn clothes won't be any worse for yourself either.
1250  Economy / Economics / Re: A career - as an employee or a business owner which do you prefer and why? on: December 25, 2022, 12:32:24 PM
Doing business is what is more important to me because this will give me freedom to make more money than depending on employer to pay me small money that is less to my efforts that I am putting in his business. Doing business or having our own business is better than going for a job and later we might get sacked and forcing us to start afrensh again.
If you remember the risk of being fired when working for someone else or in someone else's company. Then opening your own business is a better option than working anywhere, because usually everyone who chooses to run their own business has definitely chosen a business that they really love and are also very good at. So it will be very difficult for him to get bored in doing business because what he is doing is part of the hobby that he is involved in every day.
1251  Economy / Economics / Re: Investing against 2024 on: December 25, 2022, 12:21:30 PM
In 2024 we all hope that the increase in bitcoin and altcoins can increase again and the decline that occurred this year we must be able to make good use of it to invest in some potential altcoins and invest in bitcoin, and I am sure that for the future we will definitely feel great profits and this will be the most valuable thing for us crypto users, We all hope that 2024 the bear market will end.
You are sure of it (increase in Bitcoin price). But why don't you hope that bad things don't happen again which can affect the increase in the price of cryptocurrency and Bitcoin in the next year and also in the year you mentioned. Because if bad things can still happen in the crypto space, any increase in price will be very long in coming and even very difficult to happen. For example, this year, where a significant price increase is always difficult for all cryptocurrencies.
1252  Economy / Speculation / Re: How low will BTC's market price go? on: December 25, 2022, 12:13:48 PM
it's true that this year a lot of bad news has hit crypto, but it seems the impact of the news is starting to fade and currently price movements tend to be stable. no one knows the lowest price of bitcoin, but even after this there will be another price drop I am sure that the price of bitcoin will not drop below $13k. most of people say that 2024 is a bounce point for bitcoin, so I believe before Q2 2023 we will not see any upside price movement in crypto market. so invest as much as you can because currently bitcoin price is in the bottom area.
Stable only within a price range that runs in place without any larger increases and I don't consider the current movement to be in the stable category for Bitcoin. And everyone also doesn't know whether in the next year there will be more bad news that can affect the movement of Bitcoin. Even though continuing to invest at this time is not a bad thing to do, what must be remembered is not to immediately swallow anything that is said by other people at this time because what is said may miss what is happening in reality.
1253  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why are you here? on: December 25, 2022, 11:24:42 AM
First I'm here to improve my wealth of knowledge about cryptocurrency, learn more about the forum and give my own contribution.
Your wish is really good, but if you want to enrich your knowledge about cryptocurrencies. You can read it on many trusted sites while learning the forums gradually, because then you can train yourself better when you are in the forum and can make a better contribution to the forum as you want it. And for some sites that you can visit to deepen your knowledge about cryptocurrencies besides this forum, they are;

1254  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: December 25, 2022, 11:03:20 AM
After Xavi became the coach of Barcelona, the bonding between Barcelona players became stronger than before. The understanding between the players is now better than before. But Xavi wants to apply tiki-taka tactics. He has not been fully successful yet. Xavi needs more time to strengthen the team. He spends a lot of money to recruit players. Either way, Barcelona need a title this season.
Xavi is trying to get Barcelona to win trophies and titles this season, but if that doesn't work. That doesn't mean that Xavi isn't good at coaching the Barcelona team, because every coach has to see the team's shortcomings and try to make improvements so they can get better. So for this season I see that Barcelona has started a little better than last season, but I also can't be sure whether Barcelona's positive trend can continue for the rest of this season.
1255  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: December 24, 2022, 05:13:15 AM
Although Mbappe is scoring more goals than Messi in the World Cup, he cannot even come close to Messi's style of play. Because Messi has single-handedly led the entire Argentina team forward. Lionel Messi's feat in winning the World Cup is one football fans will never forget.
I don't think it's worth comparing Mbappe to Messi in that regard. Because Messi is a great player who is full of experience and achievements in the past, has gone further ahead than Mbappe who is still young with not so many achievements. So this is an inadequate comparison in my opinion although it is still possible for others to make comparisons.
1256  Economy / Economics / Re: Forget a return to office: We’re living in the age of side hustles on: December 24, 2022, 04:58:23 AM
I think convenience is what most people who are running to work as a freelancer crave. After the lockdown of covid-19, many people came to realize the convenience of working remotely, working at their own convenience without any boss stressing them out is something some people are not ready to give up.
Most especially in an advanced country like the united state where people's time is very valuable, am not surprised to see the high percentage.
Working without a boss or boss who often makes orders for his employees is a very amazing and extraordinary thing as long as the income is very good and enough to make savings after being used in life. But the question is whether everyone is able to work like that? I do not think so. Because some people still have to depend on the company so they still continue to work continuously in companies that have superiors or bosses.
1257  Economy / Speculation / Re: Twitter Poll: Where will Bitcoin end the year? VOTE HERE! on: December 24, 2022, 04:46:13 AM
Where do you guys think we will end the year? As we move into the final week of the year I expect things will get very interesting.
Personally, I think many of these ultra bears are going to get caught off guard in regards to whats coming...


https://twitter.com/thejohalfiles/status/1606329445442281475?s=20&t=BhYkbsnZ63PFJEqPXeBycA
If the question was about the price for later this year, I would answer in the range of $16K to $18K for later this year on Bitcoin. After all that has also happened in this month so that makes me confident in that price range although it is still very possible for a higher price than that. Just because considering that this year is only a few days away, so I chose on the basis of what Bitcoin has achieved this month, namely ($16K - $18K).

1258  Other / Archival / Re: 2022 was the second worst year for Bitcoin on: December 24, 2022, 04:33:47 AM
If bitcoin continues to fall from here and the price hits below 12k, then 2022 will be the worst year for bitcoin. If calling this the worst year I would agree because in terms of declines it's not the worst year for bitcoin, but if you count what happened in 2022, it was a worst year. Crisis, war, inflation... bitcoin has never experienced these things before.
Bitcoin's decline this year was only due to a few different things from the previous one, but Bitcoin could still recover when the things you mentioned are done. And regardless of what others say about Bitcoin this year, I personally still have faith in the price increase in Bitcoin. Because what has been seen and seen by many people in the past on Bitcoin is a proof that maybe it can still happen to Bitcoin in the years to come.
1259  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Finally got my boss to pay me in Bitcoin on: December 24, 2022, 04:23:58 AM
Not everything has to be proven, right?
whether he should publish the balance received from his salary or give the address to the public, I do not think it is necessary because I believe he is telling the truth. He might be able to share tips to convince someone of Bitcoin and I think teaching the boss won't be easy but I'm sure he has a way of conquering it.
A person who is able to teach his boss about Bitcoin very well is a very extraordinary person. Because he needed to make his boss believe and be interested in Bitcoin, indeed it was not easy to do considering he is an employee and the person he is going to teach is a boss who always pays him a salary.

In this case he just needs to have good communication every day with his boss so that what he wants to teach can be conveyed correctly, because imparting unusual knowledge to a boss clearly requires a different method and time than most people in general. And regarding showing a balance that already has a wallet, I agree with what you said because I don't think it's important to do that because there are still many ways to make someone believe in Bitcoin without having to show the contents of the balance in the wallet.
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