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1241  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: November 24, 2023, 09:11:34 PM
Rich people can win more, perhaps because they have prepared more money than poor people, so they can gamble with minimal bets until they can finally win a lot. And even though their big win was their break-even point, they still won because they got their money back. Meanwhile, poor people who gamble with minimal bets do not have much money, so before they can get lucky, their money has run out, and they cannot continue gambling. We assume that rich and poor people both understand how to manage their finances, but the difference is the amount of money they use. But poor people can get their big winnings if they can get their big luck too.
1242  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: November 24, 2023, 06:07:04 PM
You got your greed going big, mate. You should be able to stop after getting that $55 because not many can get that amount of money, and you are one of the lucky ones. And with a wagering requirement of $582, that seems like a lot, but if you give up, that's good for you because at least you don't have to lose any more dollars.

I also rarely get luck from slot games. That's why I always limit my slot play. Usually, I buy a Bonus with a minimum bet or spin the spin XX times. But that also can't bring me luck because I know that slot games depend on our luck.
1243  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly? on: November 24, 2023, 05:25:14 PM
If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

If that's the only reason to do crowdfunding, it seems like it's difficult to participate and support such a concept. Maybe later that's just a modus operandi; you know what it means. It wouldn't matter if everything went through in a proper and legal way; it would be fine, in my opinion.

But as you said, if the gambler himself will not help himself to get rid of the addiction he has, then a friend will do the same to do crowdfunding for him. It seems like the outside is also cheated in the end. Right?
The important thing is that we know what the purpose of crowdfunding is and that it will not be misused to fund gamblers who are addicted to gambling to continue playing. If it is for the purpose of treating those who are addicted to gambling, maybe we can think about joining the people who have already donated. Doesn't that mean we also help people to cure their gambling addiction? And yes, if there is no intention from the gambler to help himself to cure his gambling addiction, it seems like crowdfunding will not work optimally because there is no awareness on the part of the gambler to cure his gambling addiction. It would be even better if local governments knew about crowdfunding for gambling because they could provide their support to help cure people who are addicted to gambling. That would be a good humanitarian program to do.
1244  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Two Carreer skill benefit of gambling on: November 24, 2023, 04:51:26 PM
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the OP just want to create positive impact of gambling here.  Tongue but yeah, i do agree, such skills can be acquired in other worthwhile activities. we are just looking for positive side of this industry to people. but ok, we can learn those skills while we are at gambling, then why not use to your own advantage and improve yourself in other aspects of your life?
That would be better to do because at least we can get something better than hoping to win from gambling, which will be difficult for us to get. If we can use it for other aspects and it is useful for us and provides opportunities to improve ourselves in other aspects, it will be more valuable to continue doing it because our potential will also increase. This will have a positive impact on our lives, which will provide something better too. If we work in a company and can increase our potential through this, it will clearly provide a good assessment from the company so that we can be promoted to a higher position. But if we bring that to gambling, we can indeed prevent bad things, but that's all while we can still lose as usual.
1245  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Crypto betting on: November 24, 2023, 04:25:16 PM
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You do not take into account those players who, for various reasons, cannot de-anonymize their identity and, accordingly, provide the casino with their passport details, including their place of permanent residence.  Also, many people understand that the personal data provided to any site, which is considered confidential information almost all over the world, and access to this data is limited.  So, all this data, when it ends up on a third-party site, for example, a casino, still ends up in the public domain over time.  This happens in a large number of cases due to theft or unauthorized sales of personal data databases.  I would not say that such people should be classified as some kind of second-rate category of players compared to those who are required to provide KYC everywhere. 

So I say that the state is obliged to provide guarantees of quality service for such citizens, and not just those who around the world recklessly and without thinking about the consequences send out their personal data anywhere. 
And this data has already been stolen many times and appears on the darknet or even just on the Internet.
People who agree to provide their personal data to any site will not mind sharing it because they know which site they can trust. Therefore, we must ensure which site can safeguard the personal data that we will submit so that the site can safeguard our personal data properly. And even if the site is hacked, personal data remains safe because the site has a place far from the site for safe storage of consumers' personal data. But if we carelessly provide personal data to the site, the personal data may be misused by the site so that later the personal data can be used for many things.

The state is obliged to guarantee the quality of service to its citizens. However, the main responsibility remains with each person, so before they carry out verification, they must have carried out in-depth research about the site. They will also know which sites they can trust so consumers can verify their accounts calmly and safely.
1246  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is this a good advice? on: November 24, 2023, 03:55:18 PM
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This happens because the greed that has overcome them so that it encourages them to return to pursue bigger wins. When they get a big win, not all gamblers can get it easily, even if they try as hard as possible if the luck is not on them, they will not get the big win, even if they continue gambling after getting a big win, they might lose the winnings they have got again, but if you say that, they are among the lucky ones because they continue the game after getting the win.
Because people who gamble when they continue their game when they get their winnings tend to get defeated, but if they get back the winnings it is very lucky.

Yes as much as possible they have to withdraw the winnings they get, and consider it if they really want to continue the game to pursue a bigger win, And keep in mind luck is not on their side all the time.
Greed can indeed encourage us to continue gambling, and we can also be easily tempted. But if we have good self-control, we will not be tempted, and we can even stop ourselves from gambling and leave the casino. We will not chase another win because we understand that it is difficult for us to get it, so we will choose just to stop gambling rather than experience more losses. People who continue to gamble and cannot stop themselves will experience loss. Even though they can also win, they will lose more often, and that will make them lose more money. Indeed, some people can manage to win again, and they are lucky people, but if they still can't stop, they will lose their money from consecutive losses in the next round.

Withdrawing their winnings is something they should do, and never think about using the winning money to continue gambling. It wouldn't be worth doing, especially if you've been gambling for some time. You need a break to de-escalate the tension so that winning and celebrating the win is recommended.
1247  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: November 24, 2023, 03:36:12 PM
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Everyone has self-control over every activity they do, but not everyone knows how to maintain this control because most people fail to maintain control over themselves.
We understand that the role of the family is very important and meaningful in every effort to help solve problems or resolve cases of gambling addiction that we are experiencing, but are we willing to see our families disappointed by what we do?
It seems like you, me or even none of us are willing to see this and of course we will only hope that our family knows about the good we are doing instead of telling them about our gambling activities.
We gamble according to our own wishes so we must be able to take responsibility for all the impacts and risks of gambling without making it difficult for other people, including family.

It all depends on intention, determination and also the awareness that one must recover, one must be able to become better person and improve all forms of detrimental activities.
With all this, he can heal on his own, but only time can determine how fast or slow the healing process will be.
That is why we must be able to learn self-control so that we can actually use it every time we gamble to protect us from excessive gambling. By having good self-control, we will not fail in refusing or stopping the gambling we have done. And with that self-control, we will not experience serious problems such as gambling addiction, and we will also not disappoint our families because we are still fine. Our family will not be willing to see a family member become addicted to gambling, and they will probably do everything they can to cure us if we experience a gambling addiction. That's why we have to really pay attention to this issue of self-control if we still want to gamble as usual and not let ourselves lose self-control because that could have bad consequences for our lives.

Those of us who have been gambling for some time certainly realize that we must be able to have self-control and also strong intentions and determination that we only gamble for pleasure. We also don't gamble too often because we already know what the impact will be, so we really take care of ourselves so that we don't experience the bad effects.
1248  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambler avoiding friends after a big win. on: November 24, 2023, 03:19:51 PM
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Everyone has the right to share their gambling winnings with anyone or choose not to share with anyone because they are gambling with their own money, so that is the basic point of this long discussion. You are right, we tend to know the attitude of friends who are worthy of sharing the winnings from gambling because they are good friends and they will also do the same if they are lucky enough to win from gambling, so it is impossible for us to share money with random friends and we will definitely be selective in giving money to a good friend. But sometimes some friends are unreliable, they are very calculating with finances and they hide their gambling winnings so they won't be shared with friends, but that's a fact and we shouldn't trust anyone too much in the circle of life.
Yes, no one can forbid or allow us to give to whoever we want. They can only wait to see what we will do, and if we want to give a little money to other people they don't know, they also can't do anything because it's our money. And we will share this victory with friends who have been good to us so that they can feel the victory that we have achieved. Meanwhile, for friends whom we rarely see or who are not kind to us, we can hide our winnings and tell other friends not to say anything about our winnings. If there is a friend who is very calculating with finances and even hides his gambling winnings, that is not a good friend, and I think they will not make many friends.

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I have experienced what you said, by treating this shameless friend so badly that it makes him uncomfortable to be in a group of friends, When he came to me in a situation where I got a big victory and wanted to share the victory that I had got, I did not treat him well at all, I did not start a conversation with him, did not offer to eat or drink, and if he invited to chat I only answered him briefly, and in the end he was mentally affected by realizing that his existence was not considered. I was satisfied that I was able to make him realize that what he was doing was wrong, because it is impossible for friends like this to do well continuously. I think it's natural that they are occasionally given lessons because it is also to make him realize that he always comes when he is in trouble and disappears when he is happy.
I only share the benefits with friends that I trust even though I have a lot of friends, I can also choose which friends deserve to enjoy the victory I get, the rest are just ordinary friends, but the name of a friend in my opinion is worth keeping and deserves to enjoy the victory I get because we must have friends who always accompany us in any situation, so he deserves to enjoy the victory I get not even just a little maybe all the victories will be enjoyed together.
What you said is true because what they do, they can also experience from other people. If they can do good to other friends, other friends can also do good to them so that there is reciprocity in the friendship relationship. We also will not treat them badly because they can be pleasant friends who not only come when we are happy but will also come when we are experiencing difficulties and help us to solve them. Yes, we have had many experiences with various friends, so we can see which friends are good and which ones will only come around occasionally and expect something from us. Friends like this will not last long because they will leave. After all, they don't get anything from us, and we also don't give them anything because of their own behavior. We follow what they do so they don't do it to us again. We will celebrate with friends who can really be good friends and not friends who only come around occasionally. We don't need friends like that because finding friends who really understand and can be good friends is very difficult, so it makes us very selective in choosing friends.
1249  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe in psychic betting? on: November 24, 2023, 02:52:45 PM
I can say that psychic betting is more like manifesting some thing to happen but sometimes it will lead to disappointments. At this time, Most people tends to manifest because they do believe that once you believe in something and the body reacts to that belief,  they can achieve what they have desire. let's be aware that manifestation is a way of thinking which typically involves setting clear intentions, visualizing the desired outcome and emotions that align with the desired outcome.
But it really happens to some people because there are still people who have dreams of placing bets on something. They follow the dream and place bets based on what they remember from the dream. Some of them win by following the instructions from the dream, so they believe it, and if they have a dream like that again, they will not wait long to place their bet immediately. We may not be able to believe it, and that is also okay, and we also cannot force them not to do it because it is just a dream. But because they have been able to win some money, they will still follow the instructions from that dream and hope to win again.
1250  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A gambler's family action. on: November 24, 2023, 02:21:05 PM
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The bad thing about people is that they play without control and see that they are betting and winning more. Sometimes it can be harmful because people can adapt to it, and the moment a bad streak starts it will be difficult to stop it because the person who won a lot You want to continue winning and you start making very big bets to recover what you have previously lost and that is the danger of this, so these are the things that must be taken into consideration in order not to do it anymore. You always have to consider that when you are in a situation and there is a Streak of good luck, one of those that is very big, it is only better to withdraw because it is the best way to act because after making many bets you can lose everything, and it is not worth it, because even more it is an effort that was made and but it is something that must be done.

We as gamblers must always do what is necessary to avoid Falling into things like this, the traps of the casinos are knowing how to sweeten the customers, their players, and this was something that can be avoided when a player is winning, among my rules , which are very few but are quite efficient, I have to first always have a balance willing to lose, after this if you lose what you are willing to lose you should not deposit more money , but assume that it was lost and yua, after this if there are agnanias you will enjoy it, but if there are very large profits , there is no need to invest, you have to withdraw that money and enjoy it , spend it , Seeing what was done is very simple, because in many Players they begin to What being greedy does is lose what they have and that is worse, because there are some who do not accept it and begin to commit more with their money and what they do is lose big, then a good and very juicy profit or they transform it into a big soo Loss for not having intelligence in the casino, and even in casinos you must play intelligently.
Those who have lost a lot of money but continue gambling will only experience more and more losses, especially if they don't want to stop gambling because they still want to recover their losses. The bets they make may increase because they will definitely think about recovering their losses in one round, but the reality will not be as they think. If none of his family members know about this, he can get deeper into gambling without being able to get out. If his family finds out that he has a gambling addiction, they will probably take strict action to prohibit that person from gambling anywhere.

We as gamblers must be able to have good self-control and good responsibility so that we avoid gambling problems and will not experience any difficulties. We also won't bother our family members to supervise us when gambling, as we prefer to gamble without anyone knowing. Always having good self-control will keep us out of trouble so that our family doesn't need to take firm action against us, and we can still gamble responsibly. We have to regulate our gambling activities and not let ourselves get lost in gambling because that means we can be tempted to continue gambling, and we won't even think about resting after gambling for a while.
1251  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever been a gambling addict? on: November 24, 2023, 01:41:08 PM
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Many have become victims of the harmful effects of gambling if they are addicted to it, of course their lives will become messy if they are addicted to gambling, in my opinion gambling addiction can change a person's life to be more dominant to miserable, because his mind only thinks about gambling and only that, not thinking about anything else, they tend to do everything to be able to return to gambling if they have run out of money and their savings, What they don't want is their savings that they take to use for gambling, borrowing here and there for gambling too, if they have the courage to borrow here and there for gambling, you can be sure that their lives will not be calm because they are in debt, and if they still like to gamble it will be difficult to be able to replace the debt, even if they have money it is unlikely that they will pay the debt, but are more concerned with their gambling activities which have become a habit that is difficult and they cannot leave. So this addiction is difficult to break even some people almost fail when they try to leave this habit.
Someone who is addicted to gambling will not think about other more important things because they already consider gambling to be more important than everything. We don't know whether he has spent all the money in his savings, but he may have spent it on gambling and fulfilling his gambling desires. They might also borrow money from people to gamble without thinking about how they can return the money. We also won't know how much debt they already have, so they have to avoid people who collect them. Those who are addicted to gambling can experience depression because they cannot pay their debts and the various life problems they encounter. If no one knows, maybe they will end up ending their life because that is their last choice.

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If they make gambling a hobby they will accept very dangerous risks as they gamble will also make their lives ruined like you said that, also they can forget other things because they only focus on gambling, it's bad if they can't control themselves with gambling because they will lose and it's not from money alone many things will also be affected by gambling.
Gambling is not a hobby but just entertainment, and we should not make it a hobby. If we make gambling a hobby, it will be dangerous because we will definitely spend more money and can also lose self-control if we experience more and more losses. It's better for us to look for other hobbies that are safer and will use less money because we remember that many people have lost large amounts of money because they gamble too often.

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I think it will just be a waste of their time. it is difficult to make those who are already addicted and however difficult it is for them to be aware of what they are doing, they don't have to look for friends or family, if they realize what they are doing is losing them, then they can stop again, it's useless if they look for friends or family to be friends to talk about solving their addiction solutions but they themselves still want to gamble. If they want to stop they should be able to avoid high-risk things such as borrowing money, avoid places or people related to gambling, do not socialize with friends who gamble. Instead of spending hours playing gambling, they can call a family member or friend to meet for coffee but do not let what is discussed lead to gambling. Or they can distract themselves from wanting to gamble with activities like watching movies, doing mindfulness exercises like deep breathing, or going to the gym. Maybe this will help them to leave their addiction behind that is already attached to them. So in my opinion, before anyone else then they themselves must do it consistently. The key is that they themselves will determine the future because after all they will run it themselves.
In fact, the only thing that can make them aware is themselves by seeing what is happening around them and seeing themselves. But it seems they will not be able to realize what changes they have experienced as a result of playing gambling continuously and without even taking a break. We also don't know what other consequences there are from gambling because we probably won't monitor it continuously or throughout the day. His family probably couldn't watch him all day because each of them was busy and only paid attention to him occasionally. But if the family can take turns watching him and trying to find out what he is doing, the family will probably find out that the person is gambling frequently, and they will start warning him to reduce his gambling activities. When family members want to try to help, they may look for ways to approach the person and be able to provide an understanding that the person has gambled beyond his limits. Family members will also help him to reduce his gambling activities in ways that are acceptable to the person so that the person can reduce his gambling activities.

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I read what you said from the top, you talked about self-control only, do you think that is the main key in gambling?
They must have a self-control commitment that can limit them when playing gambling, with that they will not become severely addicted to gambling. Most of those who can't limit their gambling so that they can spend a lot of money and it's detrimental to themselves, it has nothing to do with me,  but if I have a family member who is like that, I will leave them alone without helping them in any way, until they realize by themselves that what they are doing is something that is detrimental to themselves. Gambling addiction can also cause problems in family relationships because the mentality that will change because of the defeat they always get will make them more aggressive and become more easily emotional. Here it is also seen that they have lost self-control.
Self-control is not the main key in gambling, but at least if someone has self-control, they can prevent themselves from continuing to gamble and can also reduce the possibility of losing when gambling. Now you can imagine if you are gambling and you can win. Then you realize that you can't win like before and decide just to stop gambling. That means you have succeeded in controlling yourself so you don't continue gambling, and that means you have reduced the risk of losing money. That's what it means to have self-control. If you let a family member be like that, how long will it take you to decide to help him? Is it until he falls and becomes very frustrated that you help him? If so, it will be too late because you should be able to help him before he falls. But I think you must have had calculations and considerations for you to say that. But gambling addiction can cause problems in the family, so we must be very careful in supervising our family members.

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I disagree with what you said, I think that those who gamble cannot accept the risks that they should accept  only a few people have thought about what will happen to them if they gamble excessively, most of them do not think about the risks from the beginning, because they only think about the victory they will get so they don't think about the risk, And if they have lost a lot of money and always experience defeat, sometimes they still think about gambling again to restore the losses they have felt, there is no end to that, they will continue to play and lose and then think of ways to be able to restore the situation and continue like that until they run out of all their money and property until they have nothing left except the clothes they wear. Only then will they realize what they've lost. If they are already addicted to gambling it is difficult to cure them, because what is damaged is their thinking so they may have to go to a psychological expert. Because what they have to do first is change their thinking, how to get rid of their thoughts that always want to gamble.
What you said actually matches what I meant. It's just that the sentence is different. But that's okay because the essence is the same. Those who are already gambling cannot accept the risks and make them continue gambling, but they know that it can cause them to lose money from the gambling game. And if they really can't stop gambling even for a moment, even just to drink mineral water, they can really become addicted to gambling that they won't even realize. This really poses a big risk for them because if it has been happening for some time, they could lose everything they have. They really need help from other people to help cure their gambling addiction. But if they also cannot accept their current situation of being addicted to gambling, it will not be easy for their family members to take them to a psychologist. There will be resistance from him because he still thinks everything is fine, and he can still control himself when gambling.
1252  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: November 24, 2023, 01:12:11 PM
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Yeah, I think that AI is now like how the web was in the early 2000s. Some people use it, lots of businesses are being created around it, many people know about it, etc.

But it's still early days.

We will see what this technology is capable of doing. It still has a lot of possible growth.
That's what I predict because AI is still in its infancy, and its growth will be very fast, especially now that many developers are working to provide the AI that humans want. And as more sophisticated technology improves or is discovered, it will be integrated into AI so that it will change AI for the better. We will see what happens with AI later, and even before 5 years, there will be changes in the field of AI. Will it be like in the films we have already seen or will there be differences? Only time can answer that.
1253  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you gamble because you don't have sufficient money? on: November 24, 2023, 12:45:32 PM
For fun. I don't know about others but I gambled to relieved me of stress. People gamble because of a lot of reasons but most of the time the main goal is money. While many of us might think it should only be played as a gaining tons of money but I don't. If you observe closely you will see less developed countries gamble the most and have the most gamblers even thought they can't effort. Not only they can't effort is they are also addicted to it. The only thing they want is money money and money.
It's good if you gamble to relieve your stress. But people out there think of gambling to make money even if they don't have money because they see that gambling can still be used to make money. Even though they also see many people who have lost money from gambling and don't want to stop gambling because they still feel they can win in the next round. In less developed countries, gambling seems to be a way to make money, especially since they see several people who can win a lot of money from gambling, so they think they can make money like those gambling winners.
1254  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Two Carreer skill benefit of gambling on: November 23, 2023, 10:00:40 PM
Sometime when we talk about critical thinking in gambling games it may sound like a statement out of proportion,  since most games don't require some form of thinking e.g dice, which is just a game of numbers and luck, so there be no critical thinking when you want to roll the dice unless you want to think of the games since what is required of you is just to roll the dice and wait to see the lucky number.
But one of the essential attributes of gambling is in the area of socialization that you mentioned, gambling helps us to socialize with others easily since we may be on the same table and facing the same game when playing against the house, but this can only happen in physical casinos and not online casinos.
In fact, humans are social creatures and easily blend into society, so it's not just gambling that helps us socialize with other people. We can even socialize with people in our neighborhood and engage in interesting discussions with them, and we don't need to gamble. Gambling is an activity that can be a place to chat with fellow gamblers without any age limit. Everything changed when online casinos existed, but we still chat with people via the chatbox provided by the casino. That's where our discussions or chats move, and this can reach players from various countries so that we can find out what was happening in other countries at that time.
1255  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can a gambler be a good bitcoin trader? on: November 23, 2023, 09:45:14 PM
Being a gambler and a trader both have risks, which is why becoming a bitcoin trader is no problem as long as you can stop the habit of gambling, after all, a gambler can definitely be a good and profitable trader compared to gambling, although it is also necessary to learn techniques and price analysis, because Trading requires skills in reading market charts so you can target profits and minimize losses.

There is no difference whether you want to be a gambler or a trader, both have the same risk, namely losing money, personally I also run both simultaneously although sometimes it is difficult to divide my time because I always play consistently so I can get good profits every weekend whether it be from gambling or trading.
You are right, in trading we have to understand techniques and also price analysis to be able to trade because without us understanding trading well and we do it based on guesswork, of course we do it the same as gambling, we need luck to be able to get a profit from our trading. do it, without luck we will continue to experience losses from the trading we do.
And the skills possessed by a trader and a gambler are definitely different, even though a gambler can become a trader. The gambler needs to learn different skills in order to study and analyze the market as he enters into trading. A gambler can become a good trader, especially if he can switch from gambling to trading and begins to slowly abandon gambling because he sees an opportunity to make bigger profits from trading. If the gambler becomes more comfortable in trading, he will completely abandon gambling and will not return to gambling because he enjoys trading more than gambling.
1256  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambler avoiding friends after a big win. on: November 23, 2023, 09:17:30 PM
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We can never avoid friends like that completely, sometimes there are friends who are very good at camouflage, they seem to care about us but when on the other hand they just want to seek profit, they come only when there is a need. We cannot live without friends because it is our environment, and also if we only prioritize gambling over friends then obviously we will feel lonely, but certainly and what can be done in my opinion is that we must be smart - smart in choosing friends, if you have found indications that it turns out that one of your friends comes only for profit then you can keep a little distance from him, don't get too close because they will only harm you.

If you want to share a little of your winnings with them then you must be able to distinguish which friends are really good and which friends only come for profit. Basically they will never feel ashamed of their arrival just to seek advantage from other friends, but we just have to be smart in distinguishing, and yes the case experienced by the OP seems to be nothing more than a misunderstanding.
Yes, you are right in saying that, but we can actually also camouflage in front of our friends who are also camouflaging because I know what my friends will do. If my friends were honest, I would not be camouflaged and would act normally and appropriately because they are our friends. So it will depend on how our friends behave when they come to our house so that we can also determine the same attitude as them. If they are not sincere when they come to our house and we also show the same attitude, they will not stay in our house for long and will leave us disappointed because their plans did not work out the way they wanted.

Sharing a small amount of winnings should also not be given in front of friends, but we can call one of them and give them the money so that they won't misunderstand that we will give the money to them one by one. But if it were our good friends or best friends, of course, we would definitely do things differently like our other friends. They will never feel embarrassed for something like that, but they might feel disappointed if what we do is different from what they imagined, but we only act according to what they do to us.
1257  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can money be saved in gambling sites? on: November 23, 2023, 05:59:14 PM
If putting your bitcoins in a custodial wallet is already a risky thing to do, imagine doing that in your betting account, it's actually much more riskier since you might be tempted to spend that money in bets or games in your account compared to the custodial wallets where there's really no risk besides that it's not your coins since you don't have the key to the wallet. You're going to get far more when you consider using non-custodial wallets or cold wallets to store your money if it's in bitcoin because that way you know where your money is and you know that you are the one responsible for it and it's probably safer since you have all the access to it. Nothing wrong with leaving some money here and there but storing everything on that account is ridiculous because what's going to happen to you if that casino or betting site suddenly closed? You're going to be left with no money and you are the sucker in that deal.
Yes, it would be riskier, and it would be better to keep the money in a custodian's wallet so we can fully monitor it. We definitely don't want to be tempted and use the money to gamble, especially since we have a goal of always being able to limit our gambling activities, so saving the money in a gambling account can make us forget our goals and just want to gamble. It can also make us addicted to gambling because we see that we still have a balance in our gambling account and think that if we use a little of that balance, it will certainly be okay. In the end, we use up all the balance, so we can't stop gambling as easily as we want. By keeping those coins in your wallet, you can learn to be responsible so that if there is an increase in transaction costs like what happened with bitcoin, you will wait until everything returns to normal, and that means you can resist the temptation or desire to gamble on At that time because we didn't want to pay large transaction fees just to send some money to our gambling account.
1258  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not a steady income haven on: November 23, 2023, 05:25:53 PM
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Casino owners build and run casino businesses with quite large capital so that they will always be able to make profits in larger amounts and we as gamblers come into the casino and deposit money to gamble.
We are the ones who give money to those in business, not those of us who seek profit from their business.
This is how the gambling industry works and it is completely wrong approach we to think or assume that the goal is to make money from gambling.
We are the ones who should be able to control the amount of money we have to deposit into gambling. Casinos only limit the minimum deposit, while many gamblers try to deposit a lot of money because they think that having a lot of money in their gambling account balance can give them a greater chance of winning a lot of money. But that won't happen easily because casinos are designed to give gamblers pleasure and not to make money. The person who can make the most money is the casino owner, so gamblers can only limit the use of their money and always be responsible with their gambling activities. If they can limit themselves and are also responsible, they will not lose more money and also avoid problems such as prolonged stress and frustration that can lead to gambling addiction. This is something we have to be careful of because many other gamblers have experienced this, so we must not become addicted to gambling.
1259  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: November 23, 2023, 04:52:32 PM
As you said, they just have to have good self-control, by limiting gambling activities that have a dangerous impact, and also try to limit gambling, not to lose a lot of other things, such as time, for example as you said playing when everyone is asleep, that's true. But it needs to be underlined that if you do gambling activities like that too often, your sleep time or hours will be disturbed and of course this will affect our own health. And the main thing is money, as much as possible they should be able to limit gambling, by not chasing a win that is not clear that it will be easy to get and even then usually people tend to spend more money on gambling than other important things.
That's the first thing, because in my opinion even if they have their family and friends who support them to stop gambling, it will be difficult if they themselves do not have strong determination and intention, because the key is in themselves who will determine everything. As you said, even if they don't have people accompanying them in recovery, I also think they will be able to carry out the recovery well because of the strong intention and determination they have, and they must also be consistent in terms of gambling recovery. With the support of other people such as family or friends, it only needs to be used as motivation that the addicted person can leave the bad habit, and they must prove it until it is completed perfectly.
That means we have to start caring more about our health so that we don't experience problems. By maintaining health, being able to gamble responsibly, and having self-control, we can be free from any pressure, and we won't even think about recovering from losses because we already know that it is difficult to win. If we keep trying, we might lose more money than we can afford to use for gambling. Playing gambling for too long will clearly harm our health, not only physical health but also mental health where this mental health will affect our mindset, so that we will not know when to stop gambling because we only think about gambling. The key for gambling addicts who want to heal themselves is to have strong intentions and determination that can help them rise from adversity and be able to undergo all the healing sessions so that they can slowly start to heal themselves and see the opportunity to recover from gambling addiction. This strong intention and determination will become stronger when the gambling addict sees that his family is accompanying him during the healing period for his gambling addiction so that he does not feel alone and lonely. This is important for gambling addicts because having someone accompany them through their healing sessions can encourage them to be able to complete each session.


The reason gambling is not seen as a good thing is because, it has an impact that will harm someone when they have experienced gambling addiction, not much different from drug addiction. So naturally this has a bad view in all people or society. because the impact that occurs is difficult to hide, therefore it is likely that the impact will be very visible to many people around it and it is difficult to cure it as you said, because it can be said to be almost equivalent to drug addiction where if to quit the addiction it must go through a rehabilitation phase which is very difficult for addicts to do. And to stop completely at once may be difficult but can do it slowly as you said, by reducing his gambling activities and it will provide an opportunity to be able to stop gambling even though slowly, but it doesn't matter because those who go from ordinary to addiction certainly go through the process but quickly, unlike the problem to cure his addiction, they have to do it gradually, step by step. If they are consistent maybe they will be able to quickly recover from the addiction. Although the chances are said to be very slim but there is no harm in trying it because this will also produce good and positive values for themselves.
That is why any addiction can have a bad impact on ourselves and the people around us, and they may experience a worse impact than the person who is addicted. They will not know anything about people who are addicted, how to find a solution, what they should do in the beginning, and so on. They have to keep themselves busy looking for more information about gambling addiction and also meeting several people who are thought to be able to help them cure people who are addicted to gambling. We probably won't know what the difference is between gambling and drug addiction. Even people who are addicted might not realize it because they are excessive users. Maybe if that's the case, his family needs to take him to a rehabilitation center so that people who are addicted to gambling can be treated using better methods. It's like taking a drug addict to a rehabilitation center for drug addicts, and they have to stay in the rehabilitation center to undergo treatment. Maybe they will be taught how to reduce their gambling addiction by doing things that can benefit them and can start to divert their attention to gambling. And there are other things that they have to follow because those are the procedures that rehabilitation centers have to cure people who are addicted to gambling.

Yes, it is difficult to quit gambling addiction, it is almost impossible to recover from the addiction that has been attached and even ingrained with them. But there must be a way out if they really have the intention to quit the addiction itself. By doing new things when they want to gamble it will make them little by little able to leave the gambling addiction activity, for example when he wants to gamble he ventures into sports such as playing basketball, or tennis. That he can do or do other things that he likes because there are still many other things that are more useful than continuing to monitor gambling with little body movement,  but by exercising they will move all their limbs which of course will be healthy for themselves. It's true that they must have strong intentions and determination and also be consistent in what they want, of course it's not easy but if they are really consistent,  I think it will work well. If they are still half-hearted to stop gambling I think they are just wasting their time, even though they have tried but they themselves must admit that they have not been wholehearted to stop then it is better for them to gamble until the lowest point or the lowest point they don't have anything because it runs out by selling it and using it for gambling, that way they will realize by themselves do not need to get advice and encouragement from others who support them. And I don't think they have to gamble until they are old.
As long as there is an intention and desire, there must be a way, and as long as gambling addicts realize that they have made a fatal mistake to the point of making their life a mess and want to fix it, they will definitely get their way. It may take time to find the way. But with help from the people around them and also regularly visiting the rehabilitation center or even staying overnight at the rehabilitation center, they will find a suitable method to use that will speed up the process of healing their gambling addiction. The important thing is that gambling addicts do not feel that it is a burden and can live with it happily because it is a mistake they have made, and they want to cure their gambling addiction immediately. Maybe they can do regular exercise outside while breathing fresh air every morning or evening and also make another schedule that can be done regularly so that he won't be able to think about gambling like he did before. They also don't need to be at their lowest point to gain enlightenment. Most of them need to experience falling to their lowest point so that they can gain enlightenment about the mistakes they have made, gain awareness, and develop the desire to start changing their lives for the better.
1260  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is this a good advice? on: November 23, 2023, 04:39:22 PM
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And that's what casinos want from their players, all casinos provide paid games of course to generate profits for their own casinos so they expect everyone to spend a lot of money in their casinos. Even if we get a win, there will definitely be a sense of wanting to get a bigger win and this is what the casino wants with people who continue gambling when they win so that they can take back the winnings obtained by the player, and this has indeed happened with many gamblers who are driven by greed to pursue bigger wins and in the end the casino gives the end with defeat to those who continue gambling.

Obviously they should be aware of the gambling that will spend a lot of time and mainly their money, because the losses will be a lot to get instead of the victory they will get easily.
Gamblers who have won definitely want to get bigger wins, so they want to continue gambling and chase their winnings. Unfortunately, the casino already knows the greed of the gamblers and provides a way for the greedy gamblers to try it, and apparently, luck is off the side of the greedy gamblers, and they end up taking all the winnings. That is the advantage that the casinos get. They don't need anything to get that profit and wait for the greedy gamblers to fall into the hole they dug because they were too eager for even bigger wins. Gamblers should be aware that what they are doing is wrong and not try to chase bigger wins, especially when they have already won a certain amount of money.

They must realize that they are lucky gamblers because not many gamblers can get lucky and win some money. Therefore, if one day we win a lot of money, we must immediately leave the casino and withdraw the money so we can enjoy the winnings. We must not be greedy gamblers who only want to chase another big win that will not be easy to get.
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