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1241  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: February 06, 2015, 03:53:21 PM
Let's see what is the ingenious novel solution that Merkel and Hollande propose for Ukraine: Federalisation, according to Le Figaro.
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/2/6/728299.html

Now, let's spool back to March-April 2014 and see what Lavrov proposed back then, a proposition that Russia was ridiculed for: Federalisation of Ukraine and constitutional reform.

This is from March 2014
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-kharkov-rights-donetsk-202/
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Demonstrators in Kharkov, north-east Ukraine, have appealed to Russia to pass to the UN their demands over a referendum on the federalization, while hundreds of protesters in Donetsk stormed a prosecutor’s office demanding to free a local “governor”.

From the 8th of April 2014:
Russian FM calls on Kiev, Washington to recognize interests of all Ukraine regions
http://rt.com/news/russia-eu-us-ukraine-113/

And this is from April 17 2014
Lavrov: Russia, US, EU, Ukraine agree on de-escalation roadmap
http://rt.com/news/geneva-document-ukraine-deescalation-224/
1242  Other / Politics & Society / Re: DearPutin.com on: February 06, 2015, 03:37:47 PM
The latest in the Western smear and defamation campaign against Putin:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/05/vladimir-putin-aspergers-syndrome-pentagon-studies
1243  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: February 06, 2015, 02:48:40 PM
it seems most guy in this topic from Russia and Ukraine

Other than Balthazar, I don't think there is any Russian / Ukrainian citizen active here. Most of the former-USSR users are not comfortable in English, and therefore they might be more inclined to discuss this issue in the Russian language forums.

Well, it seems that you are flat-out wrong here... Grin

Seconded. (Though I am not a Russian citizen, I am Russian)  Tongue
1244  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Arming the Ukrainians is a Bad Idea on: February 06, 2015, 01:06:26 PM
Hey, americano! Do you know Kuzkinu Mather? Russian Kizkinu Mother!
Here is it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2hvObzZt0g
Good luck! We are waiting you, americano.  Cheesy


He-he, this is closer to the topic.
"Kuzka's Mother" is a reference to the nukes. Everyone remembers the second act of a stand-off from 1960's. Back then, responding to NATO placing nukes in Turkey, USSR sent nukes to Cuba. The great Western propaganda machine turned it into the "Cuban Missile Crisis" and a great victory for the USA. Never mind that USSR removed the nukes from Cuba only after USA pulled theirs from Turkey.

A similar solution can be applied today. If USA insists ons sending lethal weapons to Ukraine, Russia may just say that it in turn has strategic interests in Cuba, Mexico and Panama and send some "democracy building" help in return...
1245  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Arming the Ukrainians is a Bad Idea on: February 05, 2015, 10:59:41 PM
I call them Kiev-Nazis, because that's who came to power in Kiev through a violent coup d'etat. It's a case of calling a spade for a spade.

Ethnic cleansing... How else would you like me to call killing off of the population of Donbass that is based on the language and nationality attribution? The case that a term is loaded does not deprive it of its describing accuracy. But if you prefer: "premeditated killing of Russian population of Dobass".

13 humanitarian aid convoys are well-documented. The rest of the supposed "Russian actions" are pure speculation, devoid of any evidence. Should such evidence exist even remotely, it would be on the front pages of all the Western papers...

I call for Western propaganda only the baseless, factless accusations coming from Western MSM, who parrot the lies, coming from Kiev and don't bother sending their own reporters to Donbass to see what is going on there for themselves. There are Western reporters who don't toe the line, but they are not given air time in MSM. Wonder why...
Believe me (or don't - it's your choice), I lived in the Soviet Union and was on the receiving end of propaganda. I know how it looks and smells like, and just like many other clear-thinking Soviet people, learnt how to look past it, to filter it out. It's sad to see the same tricks being adopted by the free West.

Now, why don't you come up with your own counter-arguments and facts, refuting my points, instead of just saying that it's "propaganda, move along".

EDIT: If you really want a bit of propaganda, let me try writing the following example:

"Obama, Kerry and Stoltenberg are die-hard commies, supporting the tyranny of the Soviet Union legacy. How else can you explain them fighting tooth and claw for the territorial legacy of the Great October Socialist Revolution of 1917 (the first "colour" revolution - red), where Lenin took out chunks of Russia - Malorossia and Novorossia - and turned them into Ukraine, while Stalin took other bits of Russia - South Ossetia and Abhasia - and gave them to his own Georgia. Both acts in violation of all feasible laws."

Well, how about it? Only the first part of the above turned out to sound like propaganda, while I slipped back into truth in the second part. Sorry. Writing real propaganda is hard.
1246  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: February 05, 2015, 09:57:10 PM
Donetsk was under constant artillery fire today. No pauses. 8 civilians killed and 30 wounded over the last 24 hours. 400 people left without gas.
A region of the town was shelled using the forbidden phosphorous bombs, destroying a bus depo.
Several homes completely destroyed.

Photogallery from destruction of Donetsk by Kerry-backed Kiev-Nazis:
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/775611





A convoy of cars with OCSE observers came under mortar fire from North-Western direction when they left Lugansk. The observers had to quickly turn back and head to Lugansk to avoid being killed.

http://ria.ru/world/20150205/1046167596.html



Ukrainian parliament passes law allowing army deserters to be shot
http://rt.com/news/229739-ukraine-army-shoot-defectors/
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Ukraine’s parliament voted on Thursday with 260 MPs in favor - only 226 votes were needed to pass the law. The new article 22(1) added to the charter regulating service in the armed forces of Ukraine states that commanders “have the right to personally use physical force, special means, and weapons when in combat” against soldiers who commit “criminal acts.”

Under criminal acts the law lists “disobedience, resistance or threat to use force against the commander, voluntary abandonment of military positions and certain locations of military units in areas of combat missions.”





Possible False Flag Alert!

Kiev agreed to evacuation of civilians from Debaltsevo (all the while shelling civilians in Donetsk - 8 killed today)
The evacuation will start tomorrow 6th of January at 11 am, in civilian buses. All who want to leave, can leave in either of two directions.
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/775798
This complacency from Kiev is uncharacteristic.
Add to that a visit from the US handlers - each such prior visit signalled a murderous act of exceptional brutality from Kiev.
And add the following intelligence report:

DNR has evidence that Kiev prepares a provocation in Debaltsevo, planning to hit with artillery a bus, evacuating civilians from the town. Then present the shooting as coming from DNR, spread it in MSM and present it during the coming Munchen convention so as to classify the republic as a terrorist organisation. The information was collected from interrogation of an officer, Alexander Marchenko, of 25th battalion, who surrendered to DNR on the 2nd of February.
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1744916
1247  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: February 05, 2015, 09:53:48 PM
Yes, Kerry came to Kiev, along with Nudelman/Nuland (this time without her trademark cookies) and Psaki.
Proroshenko further proved that Ukraine is not sovereign in that he spoke exclusively English, thus signalling his subservience to Kerry.
And Kerry was blabbering about Russia being to blame for all the sins and wanting peace and delivering lethal weapons to Kiev, and patting Poroshenko on the back for the new law legalising execution of the spot of any conscript who refuses to fight for the Nazi government (http://rt.com/news/229739-ukraine-army-shoot-defectors/).

By the way, I now think that Merkel and Hollande are actually running interference with Putin in Moscow, so as to mask Kerry's work in Kiev. Those two are so compromised that it is hard to think that they will be doing anything without a green light from Washington.

Merkel, Hollande, Putin to discuss end to Ukraine's civil war at Moscow talks
http://rt.com/news/229563-hollande-merkel-ukraine-peace/

Now.

Possible False Flag Alert!

Kiev agreed to evacuation of civilians from Debaltsevo (all the while shelling civilians in Donetsk - 8 killed today)
The evacuation will start tomorrow 6th of January at 11 am, in civilian buses. All who want to leave, can leave in either of two directions.
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/775798
This complacency from Kiev is uncharacteristic.
Add to that a visit from the US handlers - each such prior visit signalled a murderous act of exceptional brutality from Kiev.
And add the following intelligence report:

DNR has evidence that Kiev prepares a provocation in Debaltsevo, planning to hit with artillery a bus, evacuating civilians from the town. Then present the shooting as coming from DNR, spread it in MSM and present it during the coming Munchen convention so as to classify the republic as a terrorist organisation. The information was collected from interrogation of an officer, Alexander Marchenko, of 25th battalion, who surrendered to DNR on the 2nd of February.
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1744916

1248  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: February 05, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
 

We know more about this story. I can't guarantee to remember correctly every detail, but it is possible to locate it in various articles.

Both parents are originally from Chechniya. The father and mother were divorced, both living in Norway. The father ran a business here. The father was/is married again, this time too to a Chechen woman, I think. They had two younger children.

The CPS took the two older children, two girls, and placed them in a foster home. When the CPS started their actions, the father's new wife and their children very wisely went back to Chechniya. The CPS were very angry about this, they had of course planned to take those children also. The father, with some help, got hold of the two older children and succeeded in bringing them to Russia / Chechniya, and he went there himself. The CPS tried to get the girls' mother to make trouble and demand they be taken back to Norway since she was here. A warrant was out for the father.

The father a little later made a statement that he would come back to Norway with the daughters if the CPS would give him a solemn promise never to do this - meaning take them away - again.

This is as naïve and stubborn as can be - he should have informed himself of realities and known better: The CPS can never make such a promise, by legislation they have no right to promise never to take a child. On the contrary, they are obliged by law to take a child if they 'suspect' or know that the child is in the need of …… (you know all the nice-sounding words - - -). And if the CPS in this case had said, in a sort of half-baked promise, that at the moment there was no occasion to take the girls again, that would not be binding, and at the same time there would be an uproar in CPS circles and the ministry and all sorts of places, because: how could a CPS office say that girls who were in their care and who were 'abducted' by their father (who had already been found to be unsuited/dangerous), were suddenly not in need of CPS care? That would be to admit that there was no need for the CPS at all.

In other words, the father spoke as if he believed that the local CPS office had done something a bit silly, which they would be suitably ashamed of, like naughty children, when he 'corrected' them.

Well, anyway, the CPS said nothing of the sort. The father meanwhile had financial trouble because he was not in Norway taking care of his business together with his business partner. So one day he returned to Norway in order to work, thinking that he could do it undisturbed. The girls were left in Chechniya, together with their younger siblings and their step-mother, I think.

And of course the father was arrested and put in jail pending trial as soon as he arrived.
I haven't gone after the story after that, so I don't know if there actually was a court case and, if so, what the outcome was. One gets quite exhausted at all these people (there have actually been many) who manage to save their children and then they think that they can come back after a while and nothing will happen? As if they have just had an innocent disagreement with the CPS, and the CPS would have simmered down now and realised that they had been overly dramatic and now they would be sensible and listen to the parents and let themselves be guided by the parents.

I admit I lost interest in the Chechen father. Many of these families even bring their children back with them. They think they can start afresh, after some months or a couple of years. Hah! I remember a parent or two who used to ring me up and sort of complain when I wouldn't tell them that of course they could come back now because it had all been just like a quarrel between two children, who made up and became friends again after a little while. These parents would get angry with me when I said "No, you must stay away, and you children must never set foot here until they are of age" (18 years old and their own masters). And preferably not even return then, because the CPS will be after them to take their own children if they have children in Norway, just to prove that they had bad parents so now they have become bad parents themselves. (Very primitive determinism, in other words.)

Most CPS victims who contact me and people like me, do not really want to hear the grim truth. They want me to say something they hope will be true.

But you were right, I think, Naine: it was a happy ending for the two girls, I think. Better to be in difficult Chechniya with relatives than in Norway with people obviously making money out of working as fosterers for the CPS, cut off from their own family altogether.  

Marianne, just a note: Checheniya is Russia, it's a federative subject within RF (and it's one of the financially better off regions of Russia).
This case was thus also within Astahov's jurisdiction from the Russian side.



Well, at least to foreigners in Norway:

Never talk with the CPS. Insist that everything has to be in writing.
At the first indication that they want a psychologist to talk with you or they want to visit your home or talk with your children:
Get out of the country!
Make do with whatever income you can make in your own country, or some other non-Western country.
It may be hard, but having the bonds to your children violated is harder.
Do not wait: Pack 3 plastic bags with only the basic necessities for the children. If you are seen about with ordinary luggage, the CPS will stop you and take the children on an emergency decision.
When the children have been placed in a safe country, you may return to pack up properly, or even better: get friends to do that.
Do not tell people that you will be going, there are many who may report you to the CPS.
Do not book airline tickets or boat tickets, nor should you go in your own car to Sweden. Go preferably by anonymous bus. Get yourselves to Oslo, for example, there are several buses running every hour from the bus terminal in Oslo.

Very important:
1) You must go before a case over transfer of care has been opened in the County Committee, and if you are after all caught in one, then certainly before such a case has been completed. After such a case, your child belongs to the Norwegian state.
2) Get a "moving" form (flyttemelding) from the National Census register (Folkeregisteret), which is managed by the taxation office, or better: get it from the internet, fill it in properly, and post it registered mail as soon as possible after you leave, so that it is officially registered that your children (and preferably yourself) have moved out of Norway. In that way the authorities cannot claim that you are just away on a holiday, in which case they could go ahead with a CPS case without you being there.
3) Do not be too optimistic - do not come back. The local CPS will not have forgotten you, and CPS offices all over the country are equally terrible - there might be a few odd exceptions in a few odd places for a while, but they are exceptions, and they will not be able to stand up against a report against you from another source.

This list should be handed out to all hopeful visa applicants to Norway, who plan to take children with them!
By the way, it would make a nice leaflet material for the Czech demonstration.



An interesting comprehensive site from US:
http://medicalkidnap.com/news/page/2/

1249  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: February 05, 2015, 03:23:33 PM
Your statements are all true! Thank you for educating the naive people who blindly believe western media.

Question. Why are the presidents of France and Germany in such a hurry to reach a deal with Putin now?

Is it because of Kerry's visit to Kiev and the giving of heavy weapons to Kiev?

Maybe they sense war is in the air with Russia very soon?

What do you think?

Both Germany, France and Russia are the losers of the ongoing conflict. The economies of France and Germany alone are losing billions of euros. This is not the first attempt by the French and German leaders to build at least some kind of bridges (while continuing to speak of sanctions so as not to antagonise Washington), but each time these attempts were fouled by some false flag, be it MH-17 or Charlie. So I wouldn't say that they are "in such a hurry" - they are simply continuing the ongoing process.

Russia may indeed respond with force if US/NATO flies in more heavy military equipment, a variation on the South Ossetia solution may be deployed, but that will be the last resort to prevent a wholesale murder of Russians in Novorossia, and will happen only if absolutely all attempts at diplomacy fail.

Kerry's visit to Kiev does worry me. From all the previous cases, it is a harbinger of some false flag or an increase in military activity.
1250  Other / Politics & Society / Re: DearPutin.com on: February 05, 2015, 02:53:57 PM
RUSSIA REPORT: PUTIN
Sharonby Sharon Tennison

http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2014/04/russia-report-putin-.html

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I've stood by silently watching the demonization of Putin grow since it began in the early 2000s –– I pondered on computer my thoughts and concerns, hoping eventually to include them in a book (which was published in 2011). The book explains my observations more thoroughly than this article. Like others who have had direct experience with this little known man, I've tried to no avail to avoid being labeled a "Putin apologist".  If one is even neutral about him, they are considered "soft on Putin" by pundits, news hounds and average citizens who get their news from CNN, Fox and MSNBC.

I don't pretend to be an expert, just a program developer in the USSR and Russia for the past 30 years.  But during this time, I've have had far more direct, on-ground contact with Russians of all stripes across 11 time zones than any of the Western reporters or for that matter any of Washington's officials.

...

Four months later Putin called a meeting with the oligarchs and gave them his deal:  They could keep their  illegally-gained wealth-producing Soviet enterprises and they would not be nationalized ….  IF taxes were paid on their revenues and if they personally stayed out of politics. This was the first of Putin's "elegant solutions" to the near impossible challenges facing the new Russia.  But the deal also put Putin in crosshairs with US media and officials who then began to champion the oligarchs, particularly Mikhail Khodorkovsky. The latter became highly political, didn't pay taxes, and prior to being apprehended and jailed was in the process of selling a major portion of Russia's largest private oil company, Yukos Oil, to Exxon Mobil. Unfortunately, to U.S. media and governing structures, Khodorkovsky became a martyr (and remains so up to today).

A spot-on reader comment:

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I believe the US elites have never forgiven Putin for nixing at the last minute the Yukos deal. Putting Russian interests above those of US imperial interests was and remains unforgivable. The US will now try to lure him into a military conflict over Ukraine.
1251  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: February 05, 2015, 01:22:41 PM
The following is a very interesting interview with Paul Craig Roberts:

PCR Interviewed by the Russian analytical magazine Political Education.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/04/pcr-interviewed-russian-analytical-magazine-political-education/

It's both in Russian and English.

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...

Now Russia has an Ukrainian problem, brought to Vladimir Putin courtesy of Washington.
Washington hoped that its grab of Ukraine would result in Russia being evicted from its naval base in Crimea, but this hope was frustrated by the Crimean people, who voted overwhelmingly to reunite with Mother Russia. This enabled Russia to retain its warm water port.

The Russian provinces of eastern and southern Ukraine made the same vote and request, but the Russian government refused the request. Possibly the Russian government was under too much pressure from the West.  Alternatively, perhaps the Russian government hoped to retain a Russian population within Ukraine in order to regain a political lever over Kiev. It is not in Russia’s or Ukraine’s interest for there to be conflict between the two.

...

In my opinion, the Russian government believed that Europe had more sense and more independence from Washington than it possesses. Russia thought that Europe would want to avoid the conflict that Washington was preparing for them and, therefore, would be reassured by the Russian government’s refusal of the break-away provinces’ requests and Russia’s lack of provocative action. Russia is not the problem, Putin kept telling the European vassals of Washington.

As it turned out, Europe is more firmly under Washington’s thumb than the Russian government realized.  European politicians are even willing to harm the interests of their own countries in order to serve Washington.

The Russian government now understands that Europe lacks political independence.  Putin has publicly acknowledged this fact. This improved understanding of the situation that Russia faces requires a rethinking of the situation in Ukraine.

...
1252  Other / Politics & Society / Re: European Union Currency Issues on: February 05, 2015, 01:10:03 PM
Just read that Denmark plans to decouple its krone from € the same way as the Swiss decoupled their franc.
1253  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Arming the Ukrainians is a Bad Idea on: February 05, 2015, 12:33:58 PM
i believe the only solution is after consulting with nato etc, we secretly propose an economic blockade of russia..let them annex the crimea and land to the russian border , sign a peace agreement and again put things back in order..
Good luck with that Cheesy



That's... graphic. Need to make a T-shirt with this map Cheesy

Total crap trying to assert fears about what Russia might do.  It has nothing to do with Russia and everything to do with Ukraine.  That's what's missing here.  Ukraine is sovereign.

The real problem is that Ukraine is not sovereign any more. It was up until coup d'etat of last year. Now, not a single decision in Kiev is taken before prior visit from some high-standing person from US or EU.
1254  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: February 04, 2015, 09:15:21 PM
Hospital shelled in Ukraine's rebel Donetsk, multiple casualties reported
http://rt.com/news/229195-shell-hits-hospital-donetsk/

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A hospital in the rebel stronghold of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine was hit by artillery shelling, local authorities said. One person has been confirmed killed, with initial reports of over 15 feared dead.

“There are multiple casualties at the hospital. A preliminary count says more than 15 people were killed,” local emergency services told Interfax.

...

The midday barrage also damaged a residential building nearby and a high-voltage power line, the city council said. The entire neighborhood is without power.

RT correspondent Roman Kosarev was one of the first journalists to arrive at the scene.





OCSE has registered that Donbass was shelled using cluster bombs. On the 27th of January Lugansk was shelled using 300mm cluster munitions:
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/02/04/osce/



DNR has evidence that Kiev prepares a provocation in Debaltsevo, planning to hit with artillery a bus, evacuating civilians from the town. Then present the shooting as coming from DNR, spread it in MSM and present it during the coming Munchen convention so as to classify the republic as a terrorist organisation. The information was collected from interrogation of an officer, Alexander Marchenko, of 25th battalion, who surrendered to DNR on the 2nd of February.
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1744916
1255  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: February 04, 2015, 09:05:36 PM
Adding to the above two, an analysis by Lada Ray:

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/ex-ukraine-pm-west-expected-yanukovich-to-die-like-gadaffi/
1256  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Arming the Ukrainians is a Bad Idea on: February 04, 2015, 09:00:14 PM
It's funny you talk about western propaganda while using language like this:

what Kiev-nazis do with US support is in effect an ethnic cleansing.

Amidst the other Russian propaganda in your post. You have no credibility to talk about propaganda when your own posts are so full of it.

It's not called propaganda, it's called stating the obvious, stating the facts. And I don't need to post any kind of propaganda at all - I make do sticking to verifiable truth.

For the quote above, that you designate as propaganda, please study the following articles:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.es/2015/02/ukraine-we-target-civilians-separatists.html

In conjunction they factually cover my statement pretty well.

But once we are on the topic of propaganda, can you, please, point out exactly the other cases of it in my post - you sound as if it's full of it.
1257  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Arming the Ukrainians is a Bad Idea on: February 04, 2015, 04:19:21 PM
The pedant in me wants to make only one quite small correction to the very amusing rendition of Kievan history by Snail2 Smiley

Not "a viking guy", but "a varjag guy". Wink
1258  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: February 04, 2015, 04:12:15 PM
Two interesting articles to put things into perspective:

Ukraine’s former PM says no Russian pressure behind EU deal rejection
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/775393

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"I have never heard Putin or Medvedev say that if you sign the agreement with the EU, then you will have another government and the president," Mykola Azarov told reporters

On the contrary, Russia and China had agreed to provide Ukraine with up to $42 billion in loans and investment. "Ukraine could have seen a significant economic recovery," Azarov said.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian side was subjected to pressure on the part of the EU, he said.

and

Gaddafi’s fate was prepared for Yanukovych — Ukrainian former PM Azarov
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/775435

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The former premier Mykola Azarov also said he does not condemn Yanukovych for leaving Kiev and heading for the country’s east when his liquidation was reportedly being organized.

...

He said Yanukovych had the opportunity to "keep order in the country," prevent the February 2014 coup.

"When an operation to shoot dead people on Maidan [Independence Square in downtown Kiev, the symbol of Ukrainian protests] was organized, the entire world and Ukraine were frightened — it was for the first time in our history that over 130 people were cold-bloodedly [shot dead] on Maidan, 26 of them being law enforcement officers," Azarov said.

"In this context, Yanukovych lost his heart and the hands of those who plotted a coup were free. He was called a bloody tyrant and it was said he was subject to liquidation. Groups tasked with capturing him and implementing the Libyan variant were formed. He was to have died like Gaddafi," he said.
1259  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Socialist Paradise Turns into a Nightmare - Venezuala on: February 04, 2015, 04:07:35 PM
is in understanding why Venezuela's number one trading partner hasn't sent so much as an aspirin or a loaf of stale bread to alleviate any of the suffering there.

Are you nodding at Russia? It should have. But I can understand why they didn't. Not long ago Russia wrote off 90% of Cuban debt, after that the debt of Armenia. Before that subsidising Ukraine. Currently Russia uses large state resources to save lives of people in Donbass, who face a disaster of worse proportions as hospitals are in addition shelled by artillery. And in addition *someone* decided to play silly buggers with Russian economy through illegal sanctions. Sending money and supplies to Venezuela would be an additional strain and will not find dues support domestically. Soviet Union, was very glad in helping out and strewing money with zero (and in many cases negative) returns, as many countries, that lives well on Russian money are now in the enemy camp.

If you mean China, there were talks about economic aid from it:
http://itar-tass.com/en/economy/770499
1260  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Arming the Ukrainians is a Bad Idea on: February 04, 2015, 11:36:50 AM
let's not start ww3 over a quarrel between far away peoples of which we know nothing, didn't we learn the last time


Unless the aim of fomenting that quarrel over the last 25+ years by use of various American "democracy-promoting" grants, was exactly to start a WW3... In which case I can see US going in full monty, as they are are doing now.



The following bit of the OP article is still conformant to the mainstream Western propaganda line:

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Steve and Strobe’s article (and the supporting report with several other prominent authors) rings with fury at Russian actions. And Russian actions are indeed outrageous. But moral indignation, no matter how righteous and satisfying, is not a strategy. A strategy needs to describe just how provision of American arms would make the situation better.

Rather than such a description, the article suggests that a just cause and the Ukrainian need and desire for weapons are enough to justify their provision. But it is hardly surprising that the Ukrainians want American arms in their war against Russia and Russian-backed separatists—they face the possibility of territorial dismemberment and would run any risk to preserve their state intact.

The Ukrainian calculus is one of immediate desperation. But the United States needs to think for the longer-term. And if U.S.-provided weapons fail to induce a Russian retreat in Ukraine and instead cause an escalation of the war, the net result will not be peace and compromise.

The real intellectual break-through in the West will be when they realise that Russia is not present in Ukraine and is not at war with Ukraine. Rather Ukraine is in an imaginary war with Russia. So there is no Russia to retreat in the first place.

What we have in Donbass, are people, who have lived there for centuries, and who have nowhere to go. Yes, they are Russian by ethnicity, so yes, what Kiev-nazis do with US support is in effect an ethnic cleansing. But the people of Donbass are fighting back for their own land and for their right to live, not for Russia.

The "outrageous" actions by Russia so far include: peace brokerage, several hundred thousand tonnes of humanitarian aide, split over 13 convoys, being host to close to a million refugees from the war-zone, and now taking in thousands of young men from Ukraine of conscript age, who don't want to die in a war, imposed on them by Western-backed Nazis.
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