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12461  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The most undervalued project I have ever seen. on: May 16, 2016, 12:58:06 PM
Yo Spartak, how's Viacoin doing?

Are you implying something? Smiley

Huh?  Just curious bud...  Why so defensive?
12462  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The most undervalued project I have ever seen. on: May 16, 2016, 12:17:14 PM
Yo Spartak, how's Viacoin doing?
12463  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The most undervalued project I have ever seen. on: May 16, 2016, 11:02:11 AM
^ Not sure if srs.
12464  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: It is time to question Poloniex market manipulation on: May 16, 2016, 10:56:12 AM
Then don't use them when doing trades.
12465  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: It is time to question Poloniex market manipulation on: May 16, 2016, 10:37:00 AM
Why is everyone so jelly of Polo and Ethereum all of a sudden?
12466  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: It is time to question Poloniex market manipulation on: May 16, 2016, 08:40:05 AM
As for ETH daily trading volume, it's trading in the millions in 3 different exchanges + in hundreds of thousands vs fiat.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/#markets

So I don't think Polo is doing some shit deliberately.
12467  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: It is time to question Poloniex market manipulation on: May 16, 2016, 08:28:14 AM
You can call it "fake" trading (i.e. buying and selling something, pay just the fee for the trade and create artificial volume).

Or in the case of zero fee exchanges (not Poloniex according to their posted fee rates, but who knows what private discounts/rebates may exist), you don't even have to pay the fee to do it.

I'm not sure about that. A lot of people are following Ethereum, and I believe that the volume is genuine. If I was part of the Poloniex exchange, I would not risk my reputation like that. They have become a leading (not only altcoin) exchange in the world and they are making a lot of money anyways. Smiley

My thoughts exactly.  If one thinks that they shouldn't become one of the larger exchanges, then blame Cryptsy and BTER.  Their customers went to Poloniex.
12468  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: It is time to question Poloniex market manipulation on: May 16, 2016, 06:40:23 AM
Huh?  Proof?
12469  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: calling all people who got ripped off by sdc??? are you there??? on: May 16, 2016, 03:46:42 AM
Is this another one of Bobsurplus' work of art?   Grin

What has Bob got to do with this?  He has never been involved with the Shadow Project.


So who were the people behind it?
12470  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: calling all people who got ripped off by sdc??? are you there??? on: May 16, 2016, 03:10:34 AM
Is this another one of Bobsurplus' work of art?   Grin
12471  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: was just thinking about buying some XMR and is this something to cause concern? on: May 16, 2016, 01:12:31 AM
Ok.  Thanks.
12472  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Syscoin vs Bitbay on: May 16, 2016, 01:08:50 AM
I'm rather new to the altcoin scene and after a few days of looking at which coins to invest in i decided on ones that are working on decentralized marketplaces as I feel that's where there could be a  future for altcoins. I found and invested in Syscoin and Bitbay and both seen to be at the same stages of development but the difference in marketcap is huge? Bitbay is something like 12% of Syscoins price! Is the only difference here marketing? or that Syscoin is on Poloniex and Bitbay isn't?

Bitbay turned out to be a Bobsurplus pump and dump.  But the dev is still trying to save the project.  He should just drop it and move on. 

for someone with over 1000 comments you really are clueless.

Also for a 'pump and dump' it needs a pump . . i thought you would have known that too!

Nope you are.  Know your history bud:  http://cointelegraph.com/news/chat-logs-allegedly-show-bter-creating-and-pumping-its-own-coin

Bitbay's dev thought he was creating a legit project but Bobsurplus and co. had other plans. 

Wow you found that article congrats!! You must know so much now more than me!

The 'Dev' David HAS created a legit project and not just that, one of the more advanced projects in the whole of crypto!

If your going to go down that angle Isn't Lisk just crypti getting a rebrand? Which was a BobSurplus project? So in theory Lisk is a Bob coin??

Sorry for pointing out the truth on Bitbay.  But that's what really happened.  The dev got conned into believing they were creating something legit but then Bob and co. had other ideas.  BTER was involved too.

And BAY has no volume...  Look how much is being traded daily.  Not one serious investor is touching BAY with a 10 foot pole.  A lot of people are bagholding BAY and are really frustrated.

Explain your crazy logic because it does not make any sense.

Why should an investor not invest with bitbay. You are obviously struggling are you not?

Yes I would not invest with a known scammers project but these scammers tried to ruin the project (david is the project) after taking 4 5ths of the devlopment funds and dumping all their bay trying to crush the coin.

I explain already why you are foolish to continue with this assumption and yet you continue.

A project should only be treated as a pariah if there are scammers running the project or benefiting from it in any way. Why would you think that a project that has been the victim of a scam should be shunned? David has stuck around with hardly any funding working for free and you say there is an ethical reason investors would have not to invest with bitbay.

I already gave you and example but I will post it here again since you obviously did not read it.

You need to realise the people that now make up the bitbay community and the developer are the SCAMMED not the SCAMMERS???

It's like saying people who had their house broken into and burned have a dirty past and you will not have anything to do with them.

Please think about what you are saying before making yourself look more foolish.

Explain your logic or refrain from repeating groundless statements.

When i invest in things I tend to research them first. I think david building this with no development funds is more to his credit than if he had of had funds to work with don't you?

I can only imagine you are related in some way to those scammers that tried to scam everyone and destroy the project. Either that or you're a secret investor of a competing project.


Believe what you want.  Bitbay's miniscule daily trading volume speaks for itself...  No one is interested in Bitbay.  Good luck with your investment.
12473  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Syscoin vs Bitbay on: May 16, 2016, 12:46:03 AM
I'm rather new to the altcoin scene and after a few days of looking at which coins to invest in i decided on ones that are working on decentralized marketplaces as I feel that's where there could be a  future for altcoins. I found and invested in Syscoin and Bitbay and both seen to be at the same stages of development but the difference in marketcap is huge? Bitbay is something like 12% of Syscoins price! Is the only difference here marketing? or that Syscoin is on Poloniex and Bitbay isn't?

Bitbay turned out to be a Bobsurplus pump and dump.  But the dev is still trying to save the project.  He should just drop it and move on. 

for someone with over 1000 comments you really are clueless.

Also for a 'pump and dump' it needs a pump . . i thought you would have known that too!

Nope you are.  Know your history bud:  http://cointelegraph.com/news/chat-logs-allegedly-show-bter-creating-and-pumping-its-own-coin

Bitbay's dev thought he was creating a legit project but Bobsurplus and co. had other plans. 

Wow you found that article congrats!! You must know so much now more than me!

The 'Dev' David HAS created a legit project and not just that, one of the more advanced projects in the whole of crypto!

If your going to go down that angle Isn't Lisk just crypti getting a rebrand? Which was a BobSurplus project? So in theory Lisk is a Bob coin??

Sorry for pointing out the truth on Bitbay.  But that's what really happened.  The dev got conned into believing they were creating something legit but then Bob and co. had other ideas.  BTER was involved too.

And BAY has no volume...  Look how much is being traded daily.  Not one serious investor is touching BAY with a 10 foot pole.  A lot of people are bagholding BAY and are really frustrated.
12474  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: was just thinking about buying some XMR and is this something to cause concern? on: May 16, 2016, 12:30:03 AM
But what really happened?  And why did it happen?
12475  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: was just thinking about buying some XMR and is this something to cause concern? on: May 16, 2016, 12:15:51 AM
Interesting...  Monero people please confirm.
12476  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to buy DAO tokens the easy way using Bittrex on: May 15, 2016, 11:17:48 PM
I've been surprised at the number of people who keep asking about how to buy DAO tokens so I thought it might be useful to start a new topic about it.  If you are not technically minded or have not recently updated your MIST wallet and don't want to wait for it to update the Bittrex DAO page is a quick and easy way to do it.
Before starting you will need to have some ETHER.  ETHER is the currency used to purchase DAO.  The easiest way to get it is in exchange for Bitcoins and you can do this directly on any exchange (including Bittrex).  At the initial price you get 100 DAO tokens for 1 ETHER (https://daohub.org).

A) Transfer Ether to your Bittrex wallet (if it is on another exchange or in your MIST wallet).  If you don't have a bittrex account you will need to make one first. (https://bittrex.com)

B) Once the Ether is in your Bittrex Ether wallet you can go to the Bittrex DAO page (https://bittrex.com/balance/dao).

C) Click on the generate address button to generate your DAO address (Step 1) then enter the amount and click on the transfer button (step 2).

D) Confirm you want to withdraw your Ether to the DAO creation address (enter your 2fa code if required) and wait up to 30 minutes.
 
E) After a while the number of DAO tokens will be listed on the same page under where it says Step 3 "Validate your balance".


Important Notes:

-If you are really wary or unsure try going through the process with a small number of Ether.

-You can do it as many times as you like during the DAO creation period using the same address. Just remember to go through the steps as above (except for Step 1 on the DAO generation page as you only need to do this once).

-You will always need to send your ether to the regular Bittrex wallet first then use the Bittrex DAO page to transfer it. You can't just send directly to the DAO creation address.

-You won't be able to trade DAO or move it from Bittrex until the DAO creation period is over (28th May 2016 at the earliest).

-For more information on the dao go to: https://daohub.org


You can also buy DAO tokens via Poloniex.
12477  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Syscoin vs Bitbay on: May 15, 2016, 11:05:56 PM
I'm rather new to the altcoin scene and after a few days of looking at which coins to invest in i decided on ones that are working on decentralized marketplaces as I feel that's where there could be a  future for altcoins. I found and invested in Syscoin and Bitbay and both seen to be at the same stages of development but the difference in marketcap is huge? Bitbay is something like 12% of Syscoins price! Is the only difference here marketing? or that Syscoin is on Poloniex and Bitbay isn't?

Bitbay turned out to be a Bobsurplus pump and dump.  But the dev is still trying to save the project.  He should just drop it and move on. 

for someone with over 1000 comments you really are clueless.

Also for a 'pump and dump' it needs a pump . . i thought you would have known that too!

Nope you are.  Know your history bud:  http://cointelegraph.com/news/chat-logs-allegedly-show-bter-creating-and-pumping-its-own-coin

Bitbay's dev thought he was creating a legit project but Bobsurplus and co. had other plans. 
12478  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: So what's the deal with Slock.it? on: May 15, 2016, 01:29:05 PM
Could be something big, or not.  Could be ahead of its time, or nothing.

Do you mean people are throwing money to a project which has equal possibilities for being big or worthless, without knowing the potential ahead? I don't think so. At least, I don't want to believe that. What I want is someone to explain what it could be done with Slock.it which renders it a revolutionary project.

Yup.  The same with people who threw money into Ethereum.  Or with Bitcoin for that matter.

@tokeweed,

Bitcoin has at least one real use case which proves better than its traditional counterparts, that is, sending money with low costs and with increased anonymity and transparency. So I believe it would be wrong to equate Slock.it with Bitcoin.

Best,

Jian

That wasn't the case back in 2010 - 2011 when some people were buying BTC in huge chunks because they believed in its potential.

@tokeweed,

I strongly disagree. The implications regarding the abovementioned use case of Bitcoin exist even in Satoshi's paper. The fact that the potential was actualized much later does not change anything. If someone could come up with a real use case potential, even if that potential be just an idea, the answer is valid. Then that would mean people do not just throwing money to a project with no known possible use case, but they throw money to a potentially cool one.

Best,

Jian

Sure.  But did everyone even realize that it could be possible?  I believe only a small group of people did at that point.  So all in all, as far as the whole of crypto is concerned, there's still only a small group of people who really believes that cryptocurrencies is the way of the future.  But then again, like anything, it might not be.
12479  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: So what's the deal with Slock.it? on: May 15, 2016, 01:04:47 PM
Could be something big, or not.  Could be ahead of its time, or nothing.

Do you mean people are throwing money to a project which has equal possibilities for being big or worthless, without knowing the potential ahead? I don't think so. At least, I don't want to believe that. What I want is someone to explain what it could be done with Slock.it which renders it a revolutionary project.

Yup.  The same with people who threw money into Ethereum.  Or with Bitcoin for that matter.

@tokeweed,

Bitcoin has at least one real use case which proves better than its traditional counterparts, that is, sending money with low costs and with increased anonymity and transparency. So I believe it would be wrong to equate Slock.it with Bitcoin.

Best,

Jian

That wasn't the case back in 2010 - 2011 when some people were buying BTC in huge chunks because they believed in its potential.
12480  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Syscoin vs Bitbay on: May 15, 2016, 01:01:22 PM
I'm rather new to the altcoin scene and after a few days of looking at which coins to invest in i decided on ones that are working on decentralized marketplaces as I feel that's where there could be a  future for altcoins. I found and invested in Syscoin and Bitbay and both seen to be at the same stages of development but the difference in marketcap is huge? Bitbay is something like 12% of Syscoins price! Is the only difference here marketing? or that Syscoin is on Poloniex and Bitbay isn't?

Bitbay turned out to be a Bobsurplus pump and dump.  But the dev is still trying to save the project.  He should just drop it and move on. 
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