- Agreed that holdings can make our lost things start to bounce back but that is just the case where the market will recover and reach the peak again, and the coin we hold is potential and can grow in the future. But if this situation does not appear, holdings only make us wait in vain, even more loss when the value of the coin we hold begins to fall deeper, and so, I can say that depending on the situation and the different coin, we will have different methods to deal with our loss, more flexible with the market, should not be bound with fixed options

- Indeed, this is one area that can make a lot of money through the creation of cryptocurrency and because of that, too many developers have created more cryptocurrency, that leads to a market that is flooded with cryptocurrency. But the process of development and creation is so fast that it makes those projects become garbage in the market, stop growing and updating, exactly as you say, a house and nothing inside but I believe the market will soon eliminate the useless cryptocurrency, toward a clean market with cryptocurrency that has the potential and development

- I do not think we can call Bitcoin is a universal currency, as you say, we can use bitcoin anywhere, in any country but the important thing is that people around us still do not accept it or if someone accepts, the scope is also very small, only around the bitcoin users, it can not touch the level of the whole world. Even if it can grow and spread, this is still not possible with it, the government and many people still do not want to hear and do not like to use it, people just prefer to use traditional currency as you say, Bitcoin is the universal currency is only thinking of Bitcoin users

- Agreed that gambling is more risky than crypto trading but trading is also not an overly secure field and we can easily make money from it, it still has troubles and risks lurking around us, this is very clear when many people engage in trading but the number of people who can survive and earn a profit is a very small number. Trading is always a world that needs knowledge and skills to deal with problems and make money, as you say, we will not lose unless we sell too soon, but sometimes we need to sell early to avoid more losses, and want to understand and know when to apply to that situation, we really need to learn the knowledge

- I do not think December can change the current situation of ico, projects do not have enough capital to grow, most developers promise and extend into the new year, some other projects have died in this period, and from that, I think the improvement in December is impossible, everything needs more time than you think. This is really the worst year of ico, I have been involved in this market for a long time, I have never seen too many projects become scam and expanded in the past but now, almost all projects fall into that state, there is no reason to believe that ico could grow this year

- And with all the dangers and risks in ico like the present time, I think we should stop searching and investing in ico because from what you say, I can feel that most projects are no longer attractive and profitable, the project was created solely for the purpose of making money from investors. However, if we still want to find and join the ICO, even though we can not become investors but we can become a bounty hunter, which is probably the safest option in this stage, and we can through the telegram group to find good ico, lots of people are working and evaluating ico here

- Very few people think like you, most people are fascinated by the huge profits of bitcoin and they believe in bitcoin blindly, that makes all their choices, business or investment, everything revolves around bitcoin, they have no other thoughts. And because of this, I really doubt their future path when Bitcoin is becoming more dangerous, and if it collapses, they will be huge loss and can not start a different path, another development direction, and with such risks and consequences, we should seek ideas for business, build stability for the future

- From what you say and what I observe, perhaps all of us need other options, instead of trying to choose the crypto or stock market because the crypto has in recent times changed drastically, it is no longer safe and suitable for investors, profits have rarely appeared, most are just losses. The stock market in this period is not too positive, a lot of bad news, bankruptcy and collapse of companies, the conditions really not favorable for any investor, both of these markets have so many problems, we should probably consider as you say, turning to investment in real estate or gold, it is probably more stable

- The recovery is very close, when today we have seen the first signs, and similar to you, I hope this will continue until the end of the year, and we will have a happy new year with a huge profit from bitcoin and eth. And with these positive signs, the end of eth probably has not come yet, eth still has a very long road to development and success, and through this time around, I think people have also understood that eth or bitcoin or crypto is not forever, it's still risky and easy to crash, we should have other careers in the future, not to focus all on the crypto

- Agreed, the market in this stage is really too dangerous, the traps are constantly appearing, many people hoped to seek profit through buying at the bottom and now they are stuck, traps stacked on top of each other, we can hardly distinguish between real and fake. Now, the market is probably showing a very good face but sometimes only a few hours later, it will turn red and start going down again, this situation has been repeated many times in recent days, so investors should calm down and observe, instead of trying to get into the market, risk is still too high

- I do not think so, Christmas and big holidays still have a bit of impact on the bitcoin because we can see this effect very clearly on Christmas last year and celebrate the New Year, the value of bitcoin is often pumped very strongly before these holidays come. The cause for this is that everyone wants Christmas and the New Year will have good things, more money and of course, whale groups are no exception, they also want to be more profitable then comfortable in the holidays, that made them work together to push the price of bitcoin up

- Yes, projects in the present time are lacking in creative ideas, developers only think about profitability and ignore the process of building and developing the project, that makes the project have a very low value on the market. The number of projects is too much while the quality is too low, the investors also lose interest and stop investing in the project, the project does not receive capital, it also indirectly affects bounty hunters, bounty hunters no longer earn a profit or just get a very low profit if compared to their efforts, in the long run, the era of bounty hunters will end

- Exactly as you say, many people have lost a lot of money in the present time when they are too patient with their investments, they do not accept losses and believe everything will come back, and that leads them to huge losses. And with that, it has proven to be patient even though it is a necessary virtue but too patience will become a bad thing, so depending on the different situations of the market, we will need different levels of patience, sometimes we can continue to be patient but sometimes we should retreat and come back in better times.

- Exactly, sometimes bounty hunters are also an investor, especially when the project is good and potential, they are also willing to invest some money on it, and if they put money into the project, they would be very active to advertise and develop the project, the projects work without them, which would be a loss. In addition, although the project can still be successful but the effect will not be high, while projects only need a small amount to generate rewards and they have an advertising team, scope and attractiveness also higher, there is no reason for the project to work without bounty hunters.

- Although bitcoin and crypto are really potential investments but I think you and many people have put so much money and trust in it, it can be good but the risk is still too much, and with the mindset of an investor, we should not focus on a field, we need to optimize and diversify our investment. That means we need to spend time looking for and developing other investments, such as creating a personal business or investing in potential portfolios such as gold and real estate, profits from these areas will not be as high as crypto or bitcoin but are very stable and can be long term investments

- I also believe it will soon return, this situation is only a control of large investors, they want to create a new cycle, the collapse and adjustment is essential for this cycle to emerge, and when bad things pass, light and dawn will come. And exactly as you say, patience is the key to this problem, no doubt and worry about bitcoin, the death and the end of bitcoin are just rumors, people should not believe because from what I statistic, the information about the end of bitcoin has appeared many times but the interesting thing is that it still lives so well until now

- I think in the near future, crypto will probably develop in a very positive way when many investors have entered into this market, with such huge capital, there is no reason for the market not to develop in the near future. But over time, with a distant future, I feel that the crypto will gradually lose its appeal, and sink into oblivion then disappear because investors who have big capital always control everything, when other investors realize they are just tools for others to make money, they will stop participating, large investors no longer have prey, they will also destroy this game

- Bear market can really bring us a lot of profits but huge risk will always appear beside the huge profits, and as we can see, many traders also want to make a lot of money in this market, their situation now is probably not so positive, the loss has clung to them, and this loss is getting bigger. Not only the ordinary traders, the experienced traders are also unable to escape this situation, whales have completely controlled the market, we plunge into just become prey, the best that we should be outside this war, only come back when everything has gone into orbit

- Indeed, with the current market situation, investors are actually investing in potential altcoins, top coins, these are quite safe places and can bring them a source of profits in the near future. While ico can not bring them such good things because the bloody market has greatly constrained capital from investors, investors can not pour more money into the project and, of course, when capital is not enough, the project also collapses from that point, and not just a project, that is a lot of projects, creates a very bad reputation and that makes investors stop participating in the ico, wait until everything stabilizes again

- Agreed, hope still exists on the cryptocurrency, things have not returned to the number 0, the market still exists a lot of investors, with too many such elements, we can trust that the recovery is still possible, the problem is only time and faith. Although cryptocurrency has had very bad images at this time but we can not because of this bad moment and lose hope with it, we should remember what it has been through and achieved, the negativity of each person only makes this situation gradually worse, more positive and hope more, good luck will come