You need a really good teacher, because the Koran suggests the use of all kinds of underhanded and direct violence against those who are not Muslim. And this isn't something that was done in the past, only. It is orders and directions for live Muslims everywhere. It's just that most Muslims have natural love in their hearts for all people, and that's why they don't follow the directives, literally, like they are ordered to. Sure, Islam is good. It is good for this life and for Muslims, but not for anybody else.
It doesn't get EVEN ONE OF ITS BELIEVERS into Heaven. It is a lie in that regard. What you have said is not inconsistent with Samaricanin. It would take "A really good teacher" to evoke the good aspects of people, rather than dogmatically follow some scribbled writing from long ago. I believe there are many such teachers, likely in every religion, and many such good people. This does not address the issue of bad teachers and bad people, of course. (Part I have crossed out is part I personally cannot agree with. Although I am an athiest, if this belief is wrong I would hope to be judged by my deeds, not by adherence to one or another old book. I would hope the same for those who for cultural, family or any other reason follow one of the many religions.) |
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Well they didn't. Maybe because Muslims not Jews are being seriously discriminated against in the USA.
Also, maybe cause they were "religious" they got away with more than you or I would? God knows priests get away with a lot as well!
I doubt that is correct. They were on an Israeli plane, go blame it on those guys not the US. They were in New York, last I checked that's the USA not ISRAEL, regardless of the plane. You mean they took off from NY. The 11 hour nightmare was the flight, and that wasn't under US rules. You will find that in such cases the Captain actually is the captain, and makes all such decisions. Regardless of where the aircraft is registered. So although this is outrageous, and you and I are in total agreement there, I don't think it supports your premise of discrimination of "Muslims not Jews in the USA". |
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It just occurred to me what the answer is. People hate Islam because animals don't know how to hate. Sure, animals may imitate, and sometimes even emulate, people. But they don't really know how to hate. I'd agree if we weren't animals. Perhaps that's something that sets us apart from other animals, though I've seen behaviour in dogs and cats that would suggest otherwise. Generally speaking animals do not attack other animals of the same species. They do by instinct attempt to kill/attack animals of different species. The only real exception to this rule is when two animals are competing for the same mate. For the OP, I would say that people tend to hate Islam because Islam tends to hate other religions to the extent that they try to kill them off I would say that people hate Islam because of the wide variety of terrorist actions by self-avowed Muslims over several decades. Countless airline hijackings by Muslims have changed the very nature of air travel - from something that used to be fun, to something that's really no fun anymore. Then you've got countless bombings. Guys going on a rampage shooting people shouting "Alla Akbar." The odd sport of removing heads from people. I could go on, but it's almost "Stupid" to ask the question "Why do people hate Islam." If Islam is a religion of peace, the mullahs sure don't do a very good job of teaching peaceful behavior. I conclude, then, that a fraction of them are doing something quite different. In such a case, it really doesn't matter if most of the people are peaceful. In a war, only 10% of the soldiers are on the front lines, and if 10% of a country's population is soldiers then only 1% of their population is actually fighting. The rest can babble all they want about how peaceful they are, I am not going to fall for it. Would such logic apply to a religion as well as a nation? |
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If it took 100 years to develop the best humanoid war robots to combat them, ISIS rebels are cracked off cheaply with a bit of cock juice and spring to life over the years into serious loopers ready to cause mayhem in far off territories known to the US and Europe to be the toughest arena on earth to take on an ideology in the form of loose terror cells, individuals, groups, all scattered, hidden here and there among populations and elsewhere.
Give it a few years and I think we are going to have a 10X911 situation.
Man, you really have me scared. I think we should immediately implement 10x the Patriot Act totalitarian controls and surveillance of the US population...you know, JUST IN CASE! Hey, YOU NEVER KNOW. There's scary stuff out there, dude. I mean, let's keep scared. That way we have a diversion from the thugs taking over the US Government, you know, the Obama crowd. After all, if we are trembling with fear, we might not even notice as they drive us right into fascism. Hey, don't worry. The media will go along with it. Because it's good stories, terror. |
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I'm more an adept of Rationalism. I don't cherry pick ideas because there are no bad or good ideas, it depends on the situation and goal to be achieved. Ideas also have their time and place, and Islam sets two good examples of it: Place: - No pork. Pigs require too much water, so it's unwise to grow pigs in a desert. The same rule makes no sense at all anywhere else in the planet. Time: - Muhammad lived during the Justinian plague - a black death plague - so polygamy was a good idea to face the shortage of people. A man can get many women pregnant but a woman can only breed once per year. Because religions are irrational, they simply start to apply the whole lot when the required condition that gave some sense to the rule is no longer in place. Now, the irony: - A psychopath back in the VII Century kills a lot of people, dictates a book exhorting their followers to hate Christians, Jews, non-believers and pretty much everybody, and people gets killed after such ideology. - You say in the XXI Century you hate this pathetic ideology, and exhort people to stop killing themselves over such Dark Age ignorance... and you are "the hater"...  How cool is that? Makes you feel like humanity a whole is nothing but a bunch of retards. And again, hate Islam is not the same as hate Muslims. For Muslims I just feel sorry for them. They born in a religion that preaches violence and they are up to a short and violent life. However, I assume you agree that if any of us were to write up a list of rules for the survival of our tribe, we would include rules for both times which were peaceful (hopefully most years) and times which were warlike. We would do so in fashions which best enabled the survival of our tribe. Some parts of that might not be so terribly nice. |
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Well they didn't. Maybe because Muslims not Jews are being seriously discriminated against in the USA.
Also, maybe cause they were "religious" they got away with more than you or I would? God knows priests get away with a lot as well!
I doubt that is correct. They were on an Israeli plane, go blame it on those guys not the US. |
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That's what I don't understand in this World. Why people is so mentally lazy? If it comes for me to be just listening to some cherry-picked entries of the Bible instead of take a look at it myself I would still be calling myself Catholic. Just yesterday I was reading the story of that Danish ex-Jihadist and goes around the same. Ignorance seams to be a religion-wide issue!
I know I shouldn't bother with it, let they call themselves whatever they want. The problem is that once convinced by some cherry-picked entries people assume the whole package as "good" and get directed like sheep towards violence, attempts to control everyone's private life because "God wants" and all forms of barbaric practices thereafter.
Is it too much to ask everyone to simply take a couple of hours and READ what their religions actually say? What are they about? Asking them to trust no one, not their priest, not their imam, not me, and read by themselves? A couple of hours that may save them from a lifetime of ignorance?
Maybe it is...
There is no question that many Muslims, their own microcosm of family and friends and tradition, have an experience that it is "a religion of peace." They simply haven't seen and don't want to see the other side. This has nothing to do really with reading the book or not reading it, they are responding with their life experience. |
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Islam does not support any terrorism. Islam is a religion of peace.
And I'm Mother Teresa... Why don't you read about it before? Is it so hard to inform yourself? So many books, web, all this entire world of information, and I keep seeing this ignorance! Both points of view may have validity. Probably 70-99% of Muslims do not favor the books or ideas of Sayyad Qutd. Honestly I do not know the percentage, that's why I listed it so wide as spread. |
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Less wood to burn when the new ice age gets here. Wow climate believers are so kind and rational. What they are is far left radical ... ...Terrorists. “Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.” - Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC “It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” - Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace “We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.” - Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” - Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment “The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.” - emeritus professor Daniel Botkin |
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The reason religions preach in mass numbers is because there trying to save those people in there perspective. so there trying to be nice not hateful so if you have a Jehovah's witness come to your house educate yourself before you slam the door on them like the asshole you probably are.
They're on private property, it's our first amendment right to slam the door on their faces Yes that is true, but my point is to get some perspective on things before you deny their right of free speech. They don't have a right of free speech at your front door. Constitutional rights refer to rights that exist between the individual and the government. The perspective we get on things may be kicking back, popping the top on a cool one, and munching on bacon sandwiches after slamming the doors on their faces. |
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Whatever.
If/when the effects arrive, I will be dead.
Not my problem
You pay taxes for this shit. Of course its your problem. lol its funny cause its true. I want to know something. Can I buy some feet or inches of ocean rollback? Like on a contract with a performance guarantee. How much is a foot? An inch? Who will sell it to me? |
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I personally do not hate Muslims -- I'm Catholic
All I hate are those Islamic Extremists and Jihaddists.
All that bullshit about "killing in the name of Allah" and killing and ambushing for fun.
I've watched videos of them beheading people and playing football with the said heads and UGH. It's not a good sight.
Though, I have many Muslim friends, and we get along real well. As long as we respect each other, it's all good.
In fact, I'm classmates with a Muslim, and we're partners in almost everything.
Same here. |
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But since the surface of the Moon holds a perfect geological record of the last billion years you'll have to be pretty specific.
Another bit of Muslim BS is the "no pork." I for one wouldn't like some old long bearded geezer telling me "No Bacon Allowed." |
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Verse 54:1-2 of the Qur'an reads: اقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَرُ وَإِن يَرَوْا آيَةً يُعْرِضُوا وَيَقُولُوا سِحْرٌ مُّسْتَمِرٌّ The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder.Really? REALLY?No, some 7th century dude didn't split the Moon. It's there just like it was always. ______________ The following is cited as a "Miracle." http://discoveringislam.org/mohammad_miracles.htm Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 777: Narrated by Al-Bara:
We were one-thousand-and-four-hundred (1400) persons on the day of Al-Hudaibiya (Treaty). (At) Al-Hudaibiya, (there) was a well. We drew out its water, not leaving even a single drop. The Prophet sat at the edge of the well and asked for some water, with which he rinsed his mouth. Then he threw it out into the well. We stayed for a short while. Then, we drew water from the well and quenched our thirst. Even our riding animals drank water to their satisfaction. Really?
REALLY?So, you pulled all the water out of the well and then water trickled back in from the surrounding earth? That's what wells DO. Duhhh! There is a lot of works where you can find verification for truth of the stories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutub_al-Sittah This is why this thread is on "Muslim BS". The Moon did not and could not have "Split." I'm open to discussion about what possibly may have been meant, for example a big rock hitting the moon at that time. But since the surface of the Moon holds a perfect geological record of the last billion years you'll have to be pretty specific. |
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To be an atheist all it takes is that you don't believe in God or Gods... you can then be an opportunist and a sociopath or the most honest and virtuous of the persons....
Of course. But looking at supposed religious leaders showing evidence of being opportunists and or sociopaths, then attributing with no evidence athiesm to thim, makes no sense. |
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EDIT: Forgot to add honesty to equation. I believe many religious leaders are atheists, but dishonest enough to take advantage of it. Believers are easy to exploit, sheep waiting to be sheared. So some "claim to be believers" may actually be atheists inside.
Exactly. There have been studies about this kind of thing and that's exactly what comes back - the leaders of these nutjob religious zeolots are often atheists, who use other peoples beliefs to get what they want. The father of Israel was an atheist for example but I can think of others as well. A sociopath or opportunist in the garb of a religious person is not an atheist, but, simply a sociopath or opportunist. |
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Verse 54:1-2 of the Qur'an reads:
اقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَرُ وَإِن يَرَوْا آيَةً يُعْرِضُوا وَيَقُولُوا سِحْرٌ مُّسْتَمِرٌّ
The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder.
Really?
REALLY?
Have you read the Christian Bible or the Talmud?!?!?!?!? It's all the same nonsense.... Does not matter. This thread is specifically about Muslim BS. And no, if you'd bothered to read prior pages, you'd find it's not all the same nonsense. It's different nonsense. |
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Islam is so simple believe me, i pray to god, I fast Ramadan, do not gamble, do not drink alcohol. and everything else i do like any other humens, Islam is a not a Withhold freedoms im feeling freedoma and everything )) sometimes i gamble, and sometimes i lie like any other people, those are easy mistakes and you can regret to god no probllem, but the big mistake that god can not forgive easy is ( 1- Killing people with no rights 2- Zina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina ) That's what im talking about Islam never order Muslims to kill non muslims and Quran strongly refused that. That people you are saw in Media who cut people heads and saying Allah Akbar they are not a muslims maybe wegibbi or whatever in a muslim country like my country Egypt we are fighting them, they kill our soldiers and we are muslims so that's no Islam, god know who are those people and why they fuck the world. Sayyid Qutb put to death for being a terrorist in Egypt 1966 so yes i agree with you in this point. So, sex before marriage is a sin greater than raping girls? Stop puting words in my mouth please, Raping girls is a crime in Quran and in our rules, In Muhammeds Sharea raping girls the most big crime with deserve death. We still have this in rules, Rapist sentenced to death in life and after death for sure he will be in hell. So raping girls is a sin greater than Zina for sure. But you just said that the two greatest sins were Zina and Murder :S Very interesting. CoinCollect the issue was the "need for 4 male witnesses" to convict for rape, which makes it basically impossible to convict, even though guilt might be obvious. Are you saying that Muslim does not need the 4 witnesses? Or that in Egypt this is not Sharia but secular law? |
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Actually, that would be Christianity.
Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churches
You've really made a lot of pretty wild statements. Maybe you should substantiate those with some actual facts? Just tossing around phrases does not support an argument. Psalms 137:9 - "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks" Real life - "[The Spaniards] took [Native] babies from their mothers' breasts, grabbing them by their feet and smashing their heads against rocks." The rest is all common knowledge. The assertion you made was as follows: Assertion by other party: This is true. Islam is by far the most violent religion that the world has ever experienced. Even their teachings advocate violence while other religions preach peach and understanding of others Your response: Actually, that would be Christianity.Don't forget the near extermination of the Natives, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the mass burning of libraries, books, atheists, and "blasphemous" churchesAnecdotal evidence does not prove, or even buttress, your assertion. No other religion comes close to a 100 million people genocide Well, that's what I was asking. Is that number accurate? Reference? No other religion comes close? How do you know that? We'll exclude the Religion of Karl Marx from consideration here. |
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