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12821  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 09, 2019, 07:09:24 AM
Hmmm, the version "Go fuck yourself Fatman" was also deleted. So, not a program deleting.
Then who is it? Show yourself!

Largely, I agree with the sentiment of your post, but even you realize that repetition of such similar responses even while quoting diptwat fatty, does not really add any value to the thread. 

I have had quite a few posts deleted over the years that upon reflection do not really add much if any value, and of course admin has some discretion here, including imposing harsher penalties on you for continuing to engage in the behavior that they are removing.

This forum is not like a completely free form way to express any god damned thing that you want, even though we know that some posters, sometimes do seem to get away with some pretty outrageous off-topicness and even socially repulsive posts.  In any event, I remain a bit puzzled why you would conclude that your mostly non-substantive posts (beyond a kind of childish form of expressive art) are really worthy of remaining on WO's historical record or that admins (whoever the fuck they are) would have to either explain themselves or admit to which one(s) are deleting your objectively true as non-substantive thread clogging contributions (if you would deem them as such)...
12822  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 08, 2019, 09:10:11 PM
Where did "fatty fuck you" come from? Its all over WO. Am I missing out on something?

he seems to be a BigBlocker.

Surely a reason for personal denigration, if ever one there were.  Roll Eyes


The current era of big blockers are fraudsters and scammers.  Just spend 10 seconds researching Ver or CSW. 

That’s sufficient reason for personal denigration.  

If you spend 10 seconds researching Ver you'll find he's the "Bitcoin Jesus". One of the foremost advocates of Bitcoin adoption.

Not that I'm a fan, but that's what you'll find.

CSW.... yah, ok. It doesn't look good.

As opposed to Ver and CSW I'm not really interested in new alts with bigger blocks. BTC is the name of the game. It is the most economically mature crypto and almost impossible to beat on that ground alone.

Yes, I supported larger blocks back in the day, and if the issue returns I'll probably support it again. But for now the issue is settled. And I'm, for the most part, ok with that. I'm still wary about LN, but looking forward to see the drama, or lack thereof, when txs spike.

Also, small blockers deff has its own bag of nutters, so don't get too cocky. The small blocker in chief claims the sun orbits the earth and supports slavery, for instance.


Lookie uie,...... dee lily fatty pants.   Shocked Shocked Shocked

Coming around with sort of luke warm proclamations of lovey dovey (and not using the tag "no homo"), and seemingly ready, willing and able to bail ship on bitcoin in any tiny moment of possible despair. 

I doubt that you would be a good companion as a mate in the hole, no homo.
12823  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 08, 2019, 09:04:46 PM
IMO, there's no need to hate big blockers; with all the thousands of altcoins out there, I think it's fine to have a variant of bitcoin that consists of big blocks. Consider it as just-another-altcoin.

I, of course, don't like CSW and consider him a liar, but I do believe that BSV's vision (with an exception of the "rEaL bItCoIn" tag they carry along) is better than the vision of thousands of sh!tcoins out there, who aim to become the "nExT bItCoIn".

P.S. Y'all don't have to say it; I'll just post it myself:

Quote from: Wall Observers
F*** You Raja   


You took the words right out of my mouth.....   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Buddy buddy in your attempt to find some kind of meaningful contribution in Bcash SV.   


Get real!!!!  Get a grip!!!! Might have to send batman in here to communicate a lil message to you.   Wink
12824  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 08, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
Where did "fatty fuck you" come from? Its all over WO. Am I missing out on something?

he seems to be a BigBlocker.

Surely a reason for personal denigration, if ever one there were.  Roll Eyes


The current era of big blockers are fraudsters and scammers.  Just spend 10 seconds researching Ver or CSW. 

That’s sufficient reason for personal denigration.  

I am an unapologetic big blocker. I am neither fraudster nor scammer. IOW, Go Fuck Yourself.

Historically, in order for you to have employed a variety of your BIG blocker supportive assertions, you have resorted to misrepresentations and spinning of facts and logic.  I am not sure whether you have to do those things in order to be an unapologetic BIG blocker, yet it seems difficult that if you are supporting the various misrepresentative talking points of the likes of Ver and CSW, then you morph into the thing that you proclaim NOT to be. 

On the other hand, I suppose if you were silently a BIG blocker, then you might be able to get away with every once in a while merely proclaiming to be a NOT fraudster and a NOT scammer.  Perhaps?
12825  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 08, 2019, 05:15:40 PM
Here's what I think.

Someone should anonymously send 10 btc each to Trump, Modi, Xi Jinping, and Putin. Then watch where the fireworks land.

Also, do it in a publicized way so that people get to hear about it. Once that is done. I can pretty much guarantee BTC prices will soar. Just for the sheer stupidity of this stunt.

That might take a decent dent out of some of our stash(es), if NOT completely wipe out many of us.   Maybe Bob should do it, since he was having a bit of a dilemma about cashing out some of his BTC that he does not really need, so sending to those fucktwats might be a good use of some of his BTC (40 BTC to be more exacting).
12826  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 08, 2019, 04:58:20 PM
So now that we're back up in 8200's after a dip to the 7800's, how far do you think this rally could last?

Remember there was a similar dip to 8ks and a return to 9ks before dipping down to the current 8.2ks. Can that happen again? What do you guys think?

I still take an intermediate low of $5k-$6k around the end of Q4 into account, based on a giant bearflag, by my own lousy TA.
Otherwise i'm bullish for Q4 and 2020 in general, but if BTC is more than good at one thing, then it's to surprise.
My plan is to hodl on, save fiat, buy corn in Q1/2020 or even wait until the halving and invest in some shitcoin that is carried upwards by bitcoin, to compensate for missing out the $7-$8k range for rebuy (cause lack of fiat).


EDIT: It's all mindgames, but i won't be selling, that's for sure.


Share that TA with us. Let us also make a judgement on whether it is lazy or accurate.
tbh, $5k - $6k is way too low given the rebound tendency this year. I think by the time we close, we could be touching $9k or late $8ks.

I have my own TA for this too, but in my case, it is me who is lazy enough to not post it here  Cheesy

Here we go. I posted this a few days ago, and i'd consider this lazy-inaccurate-not-even-serious-TA.
It just draws a triangle, not even respecting MA lines (10,50,200). It would take a lot of marketcap loss to bring that MA200 down, otherwise most uf us would be rekt  Grin But still, RSI leaves room for going down a little more, too.
It's Bitcoin, so surprises are included by default.



DISCLAIMER: Don't think my "TA" (painting) could be right, just if you dream about buying BTC at past price levels. I'd strongly suggest to go with the analysis of a(ny) Legendary instead.

Yeah.. something seems off about your analysis, and that much bearish likelihood (down to something approaching $5k), even if we all know that anything is possible...just is such DOWNish our likely direction, when we have already had a drug out correction of 45% in what many of had previously considered to have transitioned into a bull market?   I will agree that there may be a decent amount of ongoing need to continue to remove frothiness from the altcoin space which can also be a justification for further BTC down.
12827  Other / Meta / Re: Staff Dabs abusing merit? on: October 08, 2019, 04:46:22 PM
You guys diverting the topic on another way. No one bothered to open thread about begging coin or DT1 manipulations. You should open another thread regarding another issue. But this thread should serve as merit abuse.

Since Dabs already said sorry about merit distribution so we might stop now, because merit transaction was not very big amount. I am hopping that Dabs already understood how he should deal with his merit.

But I noticed most of people's just pumping Dabs and said "Dabs did nothing wrong". This is the total wrong sentence. Why should you guys worry to say true, why not try to drive him on right direction? If you say he was right then he will continue meriting on spam post.

For me, still I believe Dabs did wrong about his merit distribution and he should change his mind during merit distribution. But he doesn't deserve any punishment for just for small merit transaction. Nothing more to say since Dabs already said sorry, I believe he realised his mistakes.
I understand your desire to close the topic, the questions raised are pretty sensitive and delicate. People are afraid to speak, fearing persecution and revenge. I guess I'm also a little afraid, although inside myself I laugh in the face of my fear. When you pour a glass of red wine on your uniform, it’s not enough to say “Oops, I'm sorry,” the stain on the uniform will not go away by itself. But I think no one will open a new topic, each stroke in itself is not something significant, but all together they add up to the picture, and unfortunately this is not a masterpiece. Sad.

I am not sure regarding how related the topic of asking people for money and accusations of abusing merits, because we are not likely going to hear about all of the stories of approaches in a public thread like this.  

Surely higher ranking members are going to feel more comfortable than newer members to share some details, but really there can be a lot of reservations, and it is not merely about retaliation, but NOT knowing about patterns of behavior or even how egregious is the conduct - which other members do have a right to defend such conduct if they believe it to be acceptable - which seems like a bold stance.  Surely, Dabs has already acknowledged that he contacts "friends" for money, and what is a "friend" exactly on the interwebs?

There are also going to be various reactions when one member asks another for money, and if the member is highly regarded in the forum, with various titles and various kinds of recognition, that is going to cause credibility impressions... which could also be connected with how merits are being spent, which relates back to the more narrow OP assertions.

Furthermore, theymos has both put Dabs on his trust list and has also appointed dabs as staff, which causes additional credibility towards the asking of money - depending on how the asking is done, how often it is done, and which members are being approached.  This related topic has come up in this thread has been fairly clearly shown to have some connections with the OP, yet maybe the subject matter of the thread needs to be tweaked in order to be able to air the possible problematic nature of what seems to be going on and what is being discussed, which may not be resolved by a mere "I am sorry", even if "I am sorry" (if it even sufficiently happened?) could be a step in the right direction.
12828  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 08, 2019, 07:19:33 AM
A quick Scalp Opportunity for today



On 5 minute chart we are in a sideways channel. Breaking it on either side could cause a lot of movement. So here is a great opportunity for short term traders. If btc breaks below 8200 we are getting a death crossover and also MACD Crossover and we are then going down towards 8050-8100. So you can short somewhere around 8195 and target towards 8100. It can be a good profit with some leverage on. Instead if BTC tries to move upwards in such scenario the 50MA would give a curvature upwards then buy above 8250 and target 8360 and 8400. The Stop loss should be on the other edge of this sideways channel. If you shorting SL would be 8250 and if longing SL would be 8200.

FYI, most people in WO are not interested in 5 minute charts. Daily and weekly charts only.
Ask JayJuanGee for more infos.

Yes.. that is true rebal15, and no homo, too.
12829  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 08, 2019, 07:16:26 AM
So now that we're back up in 8200's after a dip to the 7800's, how far do you think this rally could last?

I think that we will get another decently large correction before we go above $17,400.


Remember there was a similar dip to 8ks and a return to 9ks before dipping down to the current 8.2ks. Can that happen again? What do you guys think?

Yes it is possible.

12830  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 08, 2019, 07:07:50 AM
be the wick you want to see.

You can gloat all that you want, but did you close your $8,420 short, or are you waiting for lower than $7,763?
12831  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 08, 2019, 06:57:36 AM
Meh may need to concede that point, even if the data is cherry picked

Japan tho is not rational.  They do not have a functional bankruptcy system.  Instead zombie companies stagger on forever.  

How cryptic!!!!!

I suppose that this is crypto, so we are going to get some criptic, here and there.
12832  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 08, 2019, 04:05:43 AM
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LOL... i might get lured into selling a bit of btc and buying a beemer,

beeemees are nice, especially if you have some extra discretionary money, and you feel like rewarding yourself.

but not into buying altcoins with btc proceeds.
That would be stupid, all things considered.
You can call me long term bullish. I was bearish when we went down hard from 13.8 and sold a  little around there (12-13K interval) while predicting 8k, which you, incidentally, poo-pooed repeatedly. Who was right in that very instance? A rhetorical question.

I am glad that you feel vindicated enough to pat yourself on the back.

Rhetorical or not.

By the way, you likely already know that I don't really tend to predict short-term BTC prices, but just complain quite a bit about anyone predicting BTC prices (especially when negative).   Wink Cheesy Tongue

Now, my thesis is that 6-12 mo after halving planB's idea would be tested. It would either succeed or fail.
As a scientist, I am used to the falsification of ideas as an essential method of finding the truth (strictly speaking, rather falsification of the hypothesis).
At the moment, I am skeptical that he is right. Why? Because no other market behaves in a predictable fashion.


I think that lack of predictability is part of the reason that I frequently get so pissed off at Hairy mcsmartie-pants, yet he tends to be correct quite a lot with his quasi-reliance on fractal comparisons, even if not precise, well within a decent ballpark of correctness.

However, the chance of planB success is non-zero and I root for him. My portfolio would be thankful as well.

I cannot recall exactly what plan b is saying, but he relies on stock to flow analysis, right?  Is he asserting numbers much north of $100k within 6 to 18 months after the halvening?

Let's just assume that the number is much north of $100k within the next couple of years.
Even if planB might end up being a bit off, the "non-zero" is way the fuck higher than a mere "non-zero," and even though I might be having some difficulties narrowing it down and putting a number on it, but it probably is in the 20% plus arena.. which are decently good odds.. and of course HODLers  like us will be well advantaged by such bullish scenarios playing out, and many of us do not even need that kind of BTC price performance to be quite well off with our BTC investment.. and even its so far price appreciation.
12833  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 07, 2019, 10:43:25 PM
I wander out of this thread for a little bit, then I get crucified. Back to Observing the Wall. Much nicer in here.
WO is a family: what you give returns to you 10x.
Give respect, have respect in return.
Give a laughter, return laughter.
Need support, receive support.
Actually, better than a family.

Another that did not say "no homo" so for sure I am starting to wonder.    Tongue Tongue
No homo!


Better late than never, I suppose.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
12834  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 07, 2019, 10:42:18 PM
*incoherent ranting*


Yes.  About a year and a half ago, pretty much Hairy admitted that he was relying on fractal comparisons, and surely I have been vocally critical of such fractal comparison reliances, even though they have largely been playing out - with, of course, some upwards deviation with our 3.5x outburst from April 1 to end of June, and currently what appears to be a return to the mean of the fractal... So whatever the fuck lack of comparison seems to still be working out in a very comparable way.


So, maybe there has never been such a system in the world, but who fucking cares?  It still has worked out quite well in bitcoin for a lot of us BTC HODLers and accumulators to be continuing to become richie and to increase our richness through the fact that BTC prices continue to go up in the longer term.. just like the silly fucking ass fractal comparisons seem to suggest.  Go figure?  

Now you roach, on the other hand, have had some mediocre gold price appreciation during this calendar year (which has gotten you all excited, and even a bit more cocky than usual), and maybe you should be taking advantage of that mediocre gold price appreciation and getting into a real future asset.. ie bitcoin?  dumb ass.

There is no TA comparison in legacy financial markets because there is no comparable asset in legacy financial markets.

There is no financial instrument with fixed supply to be paid out over a century where the rate of supply halves every four years as regular as the Olympics.  It is this regular drum beat that causes us to pound out the same patterns.  Yes the drum beat will get weaker over time as inflation falls away, but it is strong now and will remain strong through this halvening and likely the next.

I have spoken to investment bankers at Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan who do TA on Bitcoin and in their arrogance they have never heard of the halvening.   So they can’t plan for it and they can’t front run it.   Even among retail investors, most of whom are focused on chasing shitcoins, they have no understanding of how the entire market is run by the drum beat of Daddy Bitcoin.

We sit in a privileged position because we live and breathe this every day.  But don’t make the mistake of extrapolating our knowledge and experience to the broader market.  



I agree that we have halving knowledge, but here comes the test...
If this time around halving and S/F extension to above 50 (closer to gold) would produce 55K-90K prices (conservatively), THEN our position was truly privileged. If not, then it is still mostly random fluctuation. I hope for the former and I am keenly aware of the latter.

Most of you were probably not around the Internet bubble 1. In 1997-2000 it was simply great. No matter what you bought (out of major and even minor Internet stocks), you were doing great. Then came B2B Internet stocks and early biotechs (with no product) that inflated to tens of billions almost from the get go.
Anyone investing in these stocks has seen only a tremendous bull.
Then it all crashed (even AMZN -from $100 to $5).
If you look at the charts of the Internet stocks during 1997-2000, they looked peachy and projected fundamentals (at least of  AMZN, EBAy, etc) were even better than expected. Still everything crashed.

Granted, those stocks did not have a 'halving engine' beneath them and maybe this would be a critical factor.
However, litecoin (not bitcoin) has similar halving process, yet it crashed very badly AFTER undergoing halving recently (albeit it was rising toward halving). Maybe it does not count because it is a minor coin, but arguing that halving works only on one entity is presumptuous.

TL;DR The upcoming halving would be a huge test of the 'halving engine' and S/F guideline idea. Fingers crossed.

Gosh Biodom.   Shocked Shocked Shocked

You have a tendency to be overly skeptical regarding the bullish case for bitcoin, and even the realistic case regarding what is really going on here, in bitcoinlandia.   

If I did not see you on a regular basis in this here thread (and tending to NOT spout any nonsense about shitcoins), I would speculate that you are susceptible to getting lured into some altcoin or some other nonsense.    Huh     Huh
12835  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 07, 2019, 10:33:57 PM
I wander out of this thread for a little bit, then I get crucified. Back to Observing the Wall. Much nicer in here.
WO is a family: what you give returns to you 10x.
Give respect, have respect in return.
Give a laughter, return laughter.
Need support, receive support.
Actually, better than a family.

Another that did not say "no homo" so for sure I am starting to wonder.    Tongue Tongue
12836  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 07, 2019, 06:48:55 PM
How are these fucktards at Bitfinex not in jail yet when the entire planet knows?



Just because your search engine automatically fills in the same keywords that you have been typing in for the last 3+ years does not mean that there is any kind of significance behind such autofill.  

Are you retarded, roach? (that's a rhetorical question, so you don't really need to answer it)

I bet it's his search history.

duckduckgo doesnt store your search history

Look at you.  Party poop.

Injecting reality into our trolling of the troll.   Sad
12837  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 07, 2019, 06:23:35 PM
$8300

Kinda surprised about the strength down here. Still too little to save us from a drop to $6500, but interesting.

Fatty showing his true colors.. even if he proclaims to no longer be a BIG blocker.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
12838  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 07, 2019, 06:13:35 PM
Someone convince me not to take $100k USD/BTC ($75k USD, after-tax) profit, next time the corn crosses $10k USD/BTC.

Thought that might be a nice little bonus to add to our home-maintenance account; Rick manages all our household expenditures, and looking to make sure our joint account is nicely stuffed before he retires. Stick $x amount of cash in the house account, dump $y dollars back into my "traditional" Rainy-Day fund, and then sort sit on a little bit in cash, for reasons I can't articulate right now.

I mean, we really don't need the money, but it's always nice to materialize bonus-fiat from these whackadoodly crypto-thingies swinging around wildly. Rick is more like "I don't want to count my chickens, dude. All these crypto dollars don't exist to me until it's realized", and I'm all like "But dude, I believe that the 2022 timeframe will be worth waiting for, before we consider dumping a chunk for our ranch endeavor, plus extra gravy". So, yeah. Happy medium with selling off a small chunk of 10 corns ?

Napa was wonderful this weekend. Beautiful weather, sampled some amazing wines. Almost overdosed at Mustards on Onion Rings and their Burger with added bacon, mushrooms, and cheese. The coupe de gras was when Rick recommended I put the onion rings onto my burger, and, well, I damn near blew chunks after stuffing down the burger - Had a good 5 minutes of crippling meat-sweats, trying to get my breathing and gut under control after downing the last two bites.

Sampled some amazing 1987 reserve from some fancy winery we flew out to visit, and it was practically all down hill from there - Nothing was going to top that '87 we drank, so I stuck to beer after that. Napa Valley produces some absolutely spectacular stuff - Mostly Cabs, if people are looking for something new to try, and not familiar with the region.

Rick and I are going to make it an annual thing, to visit during harvest season - to celebrate releases of new vintages.

Upward and onward, corn !

You surely have a tendency to think in extremes.  If your partner is pushing you to realize profits, then yeah, you can just realize profits, otherwise, just cash out a small amount each quarter until we reach 2022 or whatever other BIG cash out that you are planning upon.  You can cash out incrementally between now and 2022 at whatever BTC price rather than attempting to time the market.

Let's say you are tentatively thinking about $100k now (or at $10k) and $2 million in 2022.  You are kind of waiting for the 2022 period because, like many of us, you are speculating that there is likely to be exponential growth in BTC between now and 2022.. but at the same time you are not sure.

Ultimately, you already said that you don't absolutely need BTC to go exponential in order to still be rich, so fuck it, why are you gambling so much and getting worried about it.  Instead of trying to time the market, just take half of your expected $2million and combine it with the $100k (which would be $1.1million) and just cash out incrementally, each quarter between now and 2022.  It's not going to make a BIG difference, and there should be no need to get greedy.  Everyone is then happy because you have both cash and you have bitcoin.  You have the $1.1 in cash, and you have the other $1million that you were going to cash out in 2022 that is still just riding the BTC price until 2022. 

Also, you can see some variation of my suggestion would also work out, without having to engage in such all or nothing thinking like you earlier said that you were not touching your just-in-case to appease your partner.
12839  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 07, 2019, 05:39:39 PM
You guys know what's next after (if) we take back 200DMA, do you?  Cool

No.

Sad. Sad I guess I'll keep it to myself.

Yeah.  You can tell us, after "it" happens, then for sure you would have been correct.   Wink
12840  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 07, 2019, 05:28:44 PM
You guys know what's next after (if) we take back 200DMA, do you?  Cool

No.
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