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12961  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS initially was supported by the west, to... on: August 22, 2014, 10:23:55 PM
You're going too far saying ISIS was supported by the West. ...

That's a bit like saying every serial killer was once supported by his mother....
12962  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: August 22, 2014, 09:49:18 PM
what most normal people fail to take into account is that for the past 21 + years there has been a global cooling and it is proven by government data, which you can easily go and look up yourself. a lot of people have a hard time figuring out what bitcoin is, those are low information people. these same people think bitcoin is bad and global warming is gonna get us soon! and we are going to pay badly. if you listen to anyone who thinks global warming is really happening, mention the fact that one volcano erupting causes more CO2 pollution than the entire human race has contributed so far since we have been here.

GG no RE.

dont just quote me and call me wrong, look it all up, then apologize for arguing Smiley

No, volcanos do not emit that much CO2.  Yes, the last 21+ years of cooling refute most of the Warmer's arguments and particularly their assertions of high climate sensitivity to CO2.
12963  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rick Perry: Setting the Record Straight on: August 22, 2014, 09:45:08 PM
Rick Perry has publicly said he will welcome bitcoin trading in texas.

We need to support governor like him.

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/06/gop-gubernatorial-candidate-now-accepts-bitcoin-donations/

Abbot is a good man.

And takes bitcoin.

And I'm going to send him some.
12964  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Policeman Suspended for Pointing Rifle at Peaceful Protestor in Ferguson on: August 22, 2014, 01:20:37 PM
Why are they still trying to spin this like it's a racial problem?  What does it matter that the teenager was black and the police officer was white?  Intentional distinction is more racist than the event they're reporting on. Undecided  It's like they're trying to stir up more trouble than there exists.

If ten percent of the country is black, then on the average we have ....

ten times as many black guys dating white girls as white guys dating black girls
ten times as many blacks being confronted by white cops as whites confronted by black cops
ten times as many blacks mugging whites as whites mugging blacks

etc....

White I don't like is the complaining.  But they are being drowned out as "America's persecuted minority."  Now the attention is on the poor children from Central America, the Hispanics, the Muslims and whatever other groups look like the buying of votes works.
  
What I hear is that now that this manufactured news story is losing steam because the star witness is a liar, the main news ops have already pulled out.  Look, <<satire>> yeah we need good, divisive manufactured news stories, but they need to  be half way solid or we'll look really stupid.   I mean, Sharpton the Clown is already involved in this, and he's helped to build the narrative.  Sure, but we can't report stuff that's patently false unless there's uncertainty on the other side of the fence.   Now we've got the cop with the head injuries and the witness down the tubes.  You have to know when to get out and get out fast and cut your losses. <<satire off>>

12965  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rick Perry: Setting the Record Straight on: August 21, 2014, 11:41:50 PM
Rick is obviously in the right here but it really burns me that this serves as a boost to his credentials on the heels of him likely running for President. If people thought the US military was bulls on parade back during the Bush years, you're gonna be in for something special if this guy is elected. Which is why we all need to get behind Rand Paul.

Democrats will make sure to turn Perry into Bush 2.0 because he is from Texas (stupid cowboys, stupid farmers, illiterates, worse of the worse, not like us intellectuals)

I am not even sure Rand wants to be president.


The Washington crowd pretty much did this with LBJ, and then with Clinton....

Suddenly the Lil'Abner comic strip became VERBOTEN. 

LOL, I always thought the cliche Arkansas redneck was way lower on the totem pole than Texas.

Rand is serious about POTUS.  He's been working for at least three years in that direction.
12966  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Policeman Suspended for Pointing Rifle at Peaceful Protestor in Ferguson on: August 21, 2014, 11:38:11 PM
Suspended indefinitely for pointing a semi-automatic assault rifle at a peaceful demonstrator



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A St. Louis-area police officer was suspended indefinitely on Wednesday for pointing a semi-automatic assault rifle at a peaceful demonstrator as tensions flared during protests over the Aug. 9 police shooting of black teenager Michael Brown.

The incident just before midnight on Tuesday punctuated the 11th straight night of racially charged demonstrations in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri, since Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old, was slain by a white police officer.

No one was hurt in the gun-pointing confrontation, but the incident underscored what many have criticized as heavy-handed and unprofessional police tactics that have helped stoke continuing civil unrest.

More...http://www.businessinsider.com/r-policeman-suspended-for-pointing-rifle-at-protester-in-missouri-2014-8

Only question is this paid administrative leave and will it be a lesson to the others to chill out. But to be fair, it's gotta be a tough position to be in when crowds are taunting you and you're on camera. Part of the job I guess.


Well, if I or you pointed a gun at someone without immediate and serious threat of personal harm, we would be guilty of "brandishing a weapon."

Of course my opinion does not matter.  But I wouldn't even carry an unholstered weapon in that town in this type of situation.  Too easy for things to go bad.

12967  Other / Politics & Society / Re: American journalist James Foley reportedly beheaded by ISIS on: August 21, 2014, 12:21:51 PM
Being human is depressing as fuck. How can animals like these exist, and im talking about both the beheaders and the fucking USA bombers. War = you are a retard that cannot solve things with inteligence, aka talking about it. Fucking half evolved imbreed monkeys we are. I wish I was born in year 10000 when I hope there are no wars anymore because we are past barbaric concepts such as religions, private property and scarcity.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/423eb5d2-288e-11e4-8bda-00144feabdc0.html

For Fawaz Gerges, professor of international relations at the London School of Economics and an expert in al-Qaeda and Islamic extremism, the defining characteristic of the Isis/AQI approach, however is the their particular “use of violence”.

“Groups like al-Qaeda used violence in a tactical way, in a way proportional to their aims,” he says. “For Isis and AQI the savagery is the point. The action is what matters, not the ideas. To Zarqawi and Baghdadi [the Isis leader], the spectacle and the limitless force – beheadings, crucifications, people being buried alive – is what matters.”
12968  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gov to Farmers: Host Same-Sex Wedding or Pay a $13,000 Fine on: August 21, 2014, 12:02:31 PM
State Division of Human Rights....only in NY.  Couple has every right to say 'no' in accordance with their beliefs.

Government to Farmers: Host Same-Sex Wedding or Pay a $13,000 Fine

Should the government be able to coerce a family farm into hosting a same-sex wedding?

In a free society, the answer is no. Family farms should be free to operate in accordance with the beliefs and values of their owners. Government shouldn’t be able to fine citizens for acting in the market according to their own—rather than the government’s—values, unless there is a compelling government interest being pursued in the least restrictive way possible.

But the New York State Division of Human Rights doesn’t see things this way. On August 8, it fined Cynthia and Robert Gifford $13,000 for acting on their belief that marriage is the union of a man and woman and thus declining to rent out their family farm for a same-sex wedding celebration. The Human Rights Commission ruled that “the nature and circumstances of the [Giffords’s] violation of the Human Rights Law also warrants a penalty.”
  http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/19/government-farmers-host-sex-wedding-pay-13000-fine/

Fascist socialism of NY in action.
12969  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TX Governor Rick Perry Turns Himself In on: August 21, 2014, 11:59:00 AM
Meanwhile the Governor of NY is twiddling his thumbs while his administrators propose rules on Bitcoin that criminalize behavior of people dealing with Bitcoin if they don't submit to the rules of NY, even though they be located halfway around the world or in another state.

NY can prosecute people halfway around the world? Has this actually happen yet?

The regulations have not gone into effect yet.  But given the total absolute craziness of what NY is doing here, and the fact that Rick Perry and Texas have explicitly said "No Regulation for Bitcoin" the contrast is so striking that I can't but bring up these comparison facts.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/21/new-york-to-bitcoin-startups-get-permission-or-get-out/

So what exactly do the BitLicense regulations cover? Here are some of our (least) favorite things that they would require small startups to do:

    Submit fingerprints of all founders (and employees) to the FBI and disclose personal financial information of founders and officers to NY State.
    Require them to hold an undetermined amount of U.S. dollar funds in bonds or trusts. Startups will not be able to predict the bonding or capitalization requirements until after they apply, making it difficult to project expenses or raise money.
    Conduct expensive audits and security testing that no small startup could afford.
    Hand over any untouched user assets to NY State after five years as “abandoned property.”

Worse, the regulations would require every bitcoin and virtual currency-related startup to get permission from NY state before releasing any new product or service. So yes, if I have a bitcoin technology startup and I want to start selling T-shirts, I would have to get the permission of the state of New York


Does this mean we can start bitcoin business in Texas without having to comply to NY bitlicense?

It means Texas does not require any regulation for those engaging in bitcoin business.  I believe that the NY regulation could be handled by something like this, on, say the order page of a website:

Price  10.00
Shipping 5.95
Total  15.95

Method of payment:

MC/Visa
AE
Paypal
Bitcoin (NOT available in NY)

Or like the entry page on porn sites:

Are you over 18   ____ Yes ____ No

Here it would be

Are you a resident of NY _____ Yes ____ No
12970  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why is people against military actions against ISIS/IS? on: August 21, 2014, 11:54:56 AM
Because everyone is tired with the US being oppressive and colonialism and getting involved in matters that are not theirs.

I am curious is ISIS capable of blending in with the native population like HAMAS does?
12971  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TX Governor Rick Perry Turns Himself In on: August 21, 2014, 12:24:40 AM
if you think you lack an ideology, then i probably know more of your ideology than you do. you are basically a libertarian/republican. if you mean i am liberal by the fact that i think man-made pollution is bad, education is good, and that there are real racial tensions in america.. then yes, i am a liberal. i can guarantee you i'm not voting for a democrat in 2016 or any time in the foreseeable future.

I guess what irritates me is that there is this totally manufactured demigod, the PerryMonster.  It has zero relation to reality, and is nothing more than a supervillian in a comic book.  And not even a good one.    Here we're getting a massive influx of people from California and New York.  They are joining the influx from Mexico.

Education is irrelevant because it's largely socialization, and the internet has made expensive books and libraries obsolete.  Racial tensions are being manufactured all the time for political reasons, best thing to do is ignore "the issue they tell you to be concerned about".

What I'm trying to say is that for a fair number of issues, politicizing them is an obstacle to understanding, not an assist.

Perry is a competent and smart administrator as governor.  You don't hear much if any disrespect for him around here.  Clinton was also a competent and smart administrator as governor.  You want a really, really bad POTUS?

Elect one with no business or administrative experience.  Hello, Mr. Bamster.

Perry can't honestly claim responsibility for the healthy Texan economy.  Eagle Ford hydrocarbons did that, not him.  ....

But Eagle Ford is Evil Jobs.

It's so unfair.  Guys working on the oil rigs making 80-100 thou.

Why can't they just be happy flipping burgers?
12972  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 21, 2014, 12:20:47 AM
Fun with numbers you kids might'a missed:




We Americans are doing fine, thanks.
For every 100 Americans--not just able-bodied adults but everybody--the aforementioned lunatics on meds, incontinent octogenarians, waddled babes--we gots moar than 75 privately-owned nugs.
We ain't got nottin' to be 'shamed of, we's undisputed champeens!
NOWHERES ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH has moar per-capita guns than here, in my land of the free, home of the brave.  No one even comes close.  Nosir.  If ya got a hankerin' to do some killin', odds are better than not you gots yous a gun to do it with, and dat's a na'ch'ral fact!

Thanks for your concern tho, Lethn and Arriemoller, I think we got it from here!
(Which gun-deprived, God-forsaken, culturally barren backwaters do you gents hail from?)
Why this proves it.

Us Amerikkans have fewer bangs of gun violence PER GUN than anywhere else on the Playnet.
12973  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 20, 2014, 12:06:27 PM
No my point is it's the drugs that are making the main difference, America is such a different country in general to the ones that people keep comparing them to.

You are correct beyond correct.  When the drug has been correlated with virtually all of these mass murders, then any rational person would have to start asking questions about the drugs.

Instead we are talking to liberals about differences between rifles and pistols.  Totally ridiculous.
12974  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TX Governor Rick Perry Turns Himself In on: August 20, 2014, 12:01:17 PM
Meanwhile the Governor of NY is twiddling his thumbs while his administrators propose rules on Bitcoin that criminalize behavior of people dealing with Bitcoin if they don't submit to the rules of NY, even though they be located halfway around the world or in another state.

NY can prosecute people halfway around the world? Has this actually happen yet?

The regulations have not gone into effect yet.  But given the total absolute craziness of what NY is doing here, and the fact that Rick Perry and Texas have explicitly said "No Regulation for Bitcoin" the contrast is so striking that I can't but bring up these comparison facts.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/21/new-york-to-bitcoin-startups-get-permission-or-get-out/

So what exactly do the BitLicense regulations cover? Here are some of our (least) favorite things that they would require small startups to do:

    Submit fingerprints of all founders (and employees) to the FBI and disclose personal financial information of founders and officers to NY State.
    Require them to hold an undetermined amount of U.S. dollar funds in bonds or trusts. Startups will not be able to predict the bonding or capitalization requirements until after they apply, making it difficult to project expenses or raise money.
    Conduct expensive audits and security testing that no small startup could afford.
    Hand over any untouched user assets to NY State after five years as “abandoned property.”

Worse, the regulations would require every bitcoin and virtual currency-related startup to get permission from NY state before releasing any new product or service. So yes, if I have a bitcoin technology startup and I want to start selling T-shirts, I would have to get the permission of the state of New York
12975  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TX Governor Rick Perry Turns Himself In on: August 20, 2014, 11:33:20 AM
Quote
Perry is a competent and smart administrator as governor.  You don't hear much if any disrespect for him around here.  Clinton was also a competent and smart administrator as governor.  You want a really, really bad POTUS?

You haven't spoken to ME about Rick Perry have you? Cheesy
No, but note this is a derail about the political ad hominem attacks on Perry, in the context of a discussion about the trumped up political criminal charges on him.

The former does not justify or condone the latter.

Meanwhile the Governor of NY is twiddling his thumbs while his administrators propose rules on Bitcoin that criminalize behavior of people dealing with Bitcoin if they don't submit to the rules of NY, even though they be located halfway around the world or in another state.

I think my comment about fascists was justified.

It may be difficult to shoehorn this into a liberal brain, but you can't have freely traded bitcoin and your favorite form of fascist socialism.
12976  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 20, 2014, 11:29:01 AM
Going by your logic, why do the military and police need rifles to use them on their own citizens then?

When has a MP5 or M4A1 been used to fire directly on a inocent US citizen?
Yes, rifles have been used on innocents.  probably most famous example is Kent State killings.

Many others, though.  Example, those associated with "no knock raids" where the police picked the wrong house.

Also a case where a cop on the street shot a man that was misbehaving with an M16.
12977  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TX Governor Rick Perry Turns Himself In on: August 20, 2014, 02:08:11 AM
if you think you lack an ideology, then i probably know more of your ideology than you do. you are basically a libertarian/republican. if you mean i am liberal by the fact that i think man-made pollution is bad, education is good, and that there are real racial tensions in america.. then yes, i am a liberal. i can guarantee you i'm not voting for a democrat in 2016 or any time in the foreseeable future.

I guess what irritates me is that there is this totally manufactured demigod, the PerryMonster.  It has zero relation to reality, and is nothing more than a supervillian in a comic book.  And not even a good one.    Here we're getting a massive influx of people from California and New York.  They are joining the influx from Mexico.

Education is irrelevant because it's largely socialization, and the internet has made expensive books and libraries obsolete.  Racial tensions are being manufactured all the time for political reasons, best thing to do is ignore "the issue they tell you to be concerned about".

What I'm trying to say is that for a fair number of issues, politicizing them is an obstacle to understanding, not an assist.

Perry is a competent and smart administrator as governor.  You don't hear much if any disrespect for him around here.  Clinton was also a competent and smart administrator as governor.  You want a really, really bad POTUS?

Elect one with no business or administrative experience.  Hello, Mr. Bamster.
12978  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TX Governor Rick Perry Turns Himself In on: August 20, 2014, 01:26:00 AM
Not only is this guy an idiot and a racist. Apparently, he is corrupt as shit too.

This guy was trying to be president  Roll Eyes

Dirty politicians. Should be jailed for the long term but he'll probably get a slap on the wrist.

Quote
The Republican has called the case a political ploy, and many top Republicans are supporting him.

Still resistant to the end.

Rick "Oops" Perry is an idiot, but these charges are BS.  Even Axelrod said so.

At least Perry gave up drinking, unlike the out-of-control sow of an Austin DA who trumped them up.

yeah i agree, he's pretty corrupt but this specific charge doesn't hold. he's on the palin/bachmann tier of dumb and uneducated politicians.

he's leaving office in january anyways.. so if this is a political game, why are they doing it now? it's not like he's a serious threat to become president. hell, i'm sure democrats would love for him to come out of the primaries.
Why are they doing it now?  To show what kind of game they are playing.

Rick Perry is an idiot?  Why that certainly explains why he agreed with the decision that Texas should have NO RULES on bitcoin.  No MTL, no MEL.  Of course, that's idiotic.  Texas should be like New York.

How many on this forum are calling the idiot governor of New York an idiot?

Wow....

he's lax on bitcoins, so that makes him not an idiot? wtf? nevermind all the repeated gaffes he makes, nevermind that he has to start wearing glasses to appear less dumb.

here's a link wit the dumb stuff he's said. and yes, i know you're going to blame it on the liberal media bias.. but it takes two to tango. if you say stupid shit, the media will run with it. and if the media runs with it, does that mean you never said stupid shit?

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/Rick-Perry/a/Rick-Perry-Quotes.htm
No, it's not necessary to blame it on liberal media bias.  I really don't see that it matters if someone can find dumb out of context quotes someone supposedly said.  Have fun with that stupid game.  By the way, gaffes make you stupid?  HELLLLLOOOOO, Biden.

Texas is by all accounts, a well ran and well managed state, and Perry has a fair part of that to his credit.  To the extent that any governor does.  That's just the way it is.    Texas leads the nation in job creation.  Legalizing bitcoin is a part of that general philosophy.  

Meanwhile, fascist clowns run places like New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts.  

You can come down here to trade your bitcoins, fellas.  Down to Rick Perry Territory.  

We'll buy the beer.
LOL....

you mean texas the state that is leading the nation in minimum wage "job creation"? http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/06/16/246892/perry-minumum-wage-jobs/

and do you know who the governor of new jersey is?

it's not really that hard to figure out why texas attracts so many jobs. many immigrants willing to work for minimum wage and lax regulations http://www.cbsnews.com/news/probe-of-texas-fertilizer-plant-blast-finds-industry-under-lax-regulation/
....just curious, why do you need to politicize everything?

And no, minimum wage jobs are not key.  We've put on over 60,000 jobs in the south texas Fracking industry in the last several years, average pay 80-100k per year.

And the governor of New Jersey is a real jerk.

As for immigrants?  Los mejores por nosotros aqui, los otros por usted, senor.

LOL...

are you referring to me talking about the governor of new jersey? because let's be honest here.. he fits your ideology a lot better than any governors from the other states you mentioned. talking about fracking is a whole nother issue that i'm thinking neither of us want to get into.
Man, you do not know my ideology or lack of. 

Fracking is an everyday reality here, so it makes little difference what your opinion of it may be.   You might have a take on it that Texas leads in job creation because it is so good at creating evil jobs....

It may be difficult to shoehorn this into a liberal brain, but you can't have freely traded bitcoin and your favorite form of fascist socialism.
lol...
12979  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TX Governor Rick Perry Turns Himself In on: August 20, 2014, 01:10:17 AM
Not only is this guy an idiot and a racist. Apparently, he is corrupt as shit too.

This guy was trying to be president  Roll Eyes

Dirty politicians. Should be jailed for the long term but he'll probably get a slap on the wrist.

Quote
The Republican has called the case a political ploy, and many top Republicans are supporting him.

Still resistant to the end.

Rick "Oops" Perry is an idiot, but these charges are BS.  Even Axelrod said so.

At least Perry gave up drinking, unlike the out-of-control sow of an Austin DA who trumped them up.

yeah i agree, he's pretty corrupt but this specific charge doesn't hold. he's on the palin/bachmann tier of dumb and uneducated politicians.

he's leaving office in january anyways.. so if this is a political game, why are they doing it now? it's not like he's a serious threat to become president. hell, i'm sure democrats would love for him to come out of the primaries.
Why are they doing it now?  To show what kind of game they are playing.

Rick Perry is an idiot?  Why that certainly explains why he agreed with the decision that Texas should have NO RULES on bitcoin.  No MTL, no MEL.  Of course, that's idiotic.  Texas should be like New York.

How many on this forum are calling the idiot governor of New York an idiot?

Wow....

he's lax on bitcoins, so that makes him not an idiot? wtf? nevermind all the repeated gaffes he makes, nevermind that he has to start wearing glasses to appear less dumb.

here's a link wit the dumb stuff he's said. and yes, i know you're going to blame it on the liberal media bias.. but it takes two to tango. if you say stupid shit, the media will run with it. and if the media runs with it, does that mean you never said stupid shit?

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/Rick-Perry/a/Rick-Perry-Quotes.htm
No, it's not necessary to blame it on liberal media bias.  I really don't see that it matters if someone can find dumb out of context quotes someone supposedly said.  Have fun with that stupid game.  By the way, gaffes make you stupid?  HELLLLLOOOOO, Biden.

Texas is by all accounts, a well ran and well managed state, and Perry has a fair part of that to his credit.  To the extent that any governor does.  That's just the way it is.    Texas leads the nation in job creation.  Legalizing bitcoin is a part of that general philosophy.  

Meanwhile, fascist clowns run places like New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts.  

You can come down here to trade your bitcoins, fellas.  Down to Rick Perry Territory.  

We'll buy the beer.
LOL....

you mean texas the state that is leading the nation in minimum wage "job creation"? http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/06/16/246892/perry-minumum-wage-jobs/

and do you know who the governor of new jersey is?

it's not really that hard to figure out why texas attracts so many jobs. many immigrants willing to work for minimum wage and lax regulations http://www.cbsnews.com/news/probe-of-texas-fertilizer-plant-blast-finds-industry-under-lax-regulation/
....just curious, why do you need to politicize everything?

And no, minimum wage jobs are not key.  We've put on over 60,000 jobs in the south texas Fracking industry in the last several years, average pay 80-100k per year.

And the governor of New Jersey is a real jerk.

As for immigrants?  Los mejores por nosotros aqui, los otros por usted, senor.

LOL...
12980  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More ObamaCare Exemptions on: August 20, 2014, 12:56:02 AM
The domestic violence one is puzzling as well. No doubt, domestic violence is a serious issue and its victims deserve the utmost protection and the best help available, but I am struggling to see why that qualifies you for a federal tax exemption.
It doesn't. Obama wants to look favorable towards women, and domestic violence victims tend to be women. When the GOP tries to get rid of these exemptions that should not be given in the first place, liberals will spin this as the GOP waging a war on women.
The essence of this problem, in case it is not obvious, is the politicization of a country's health care system and the consequences which ensue from that. 

Polticalization of any administrative issue or matter, whether it is war, ecological issues, drilling for oil, saving the planet, whatever, will always....100% of the time, produce sub optimal economic results by virtue of a fraction of the decision making being diverted from optimal economic results.

This is very bad.

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