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13001  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 18, 2014, 12:20:14 PM
I dont understand why you need to own a rifle if you arent a hunter.

I could understand a 9mm Semi automatic pistol in the drawer next to your bed if a home invasion should ever happen..
But the need for having rifles, smgs, and other weapons is just insanity.

12.000+ people gets shot in the US alone by fire arms.
That is insanely high..

Why cant you just put down the weapons and be like other nations..?

You cant own any kind of firearms in EU. Only if you have a hunting license, and a specific license for your hunting weapon..
Any person in the US can get a gun in less than 2 hours.


Good question.  First, as anyone who has been in the military will tell you, a rifle is the basic weapon.  A pistol has certain advantages, but even at short distances, rifles rule.  Second, pistols are quite difficult to hold properly and to use without training.  Third, in the US, the AR15 rifle style has actually became a preferred hunting weapon.  

That's all very much simplified and summarized, keep in mind.

Having said the above, we know that the "black rifle" - the AR15 - had it's initial surge in consumer popularity after the Clinton ban on "assault rifles".   And we know that each time Obama has tried to do something to promote bans, AR15/ammo/pistol sales surged.  It's gotten to the point to where gun stores say Obama is their best salesman.

You see, when you say "Why cant you just put down the weapons and be like other nations..?"....

What happens here is that people don't believe the politician who encourages them in that direction, and they do the exact opposite.  There are, by the way, a huge number of liberal Democrats with lots of guns.  It's not just conservative thinkers. 
13002  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why is people against military actions against ISIS/IS? on: August 18, 2014, 02:58:03 AM
Since the US requested assistance from Denmark by asking for a C-130 to drop Aid for the refugees in northen Iraq, a lot of danes are screaming to the government not to send f-16 fighter jets to the region to protect civilians and to bomb strategic important areas for ISIS/IS.

And other countries must have gotten the same request from the US.

I personally think that we (Denmark) Should send 6 F-16 fighters to help. 4 for missions and 2 backups.

What do you think about military actions in northen Iraq?

I think it's because of the double agenda our government has. One the one hand we stimulate Al Quadia in Syria, on the other it fights extremist in Iraq. In addition, when bombs fall a lot of innocent people die - I think they prefer troops.

Yes, very good point.
It seems that western governments, starting with president Obama, going from one bad decision to other and just creating more political chaos in this area.
They was helping rebels in Syria and now they are fighting the same rebels (ISIS) in Iraq.
Remember Afghanistan back in 1981?
They was supporting rebels against Russians, fanatic Muslims, but later this rebels become worst American enemy (Osama Bi Laden and his group).
It looks American foreign policy is lead by idiots.
They never learn from their past mistakes, there is no long term strategy in this area, nothing...
 

This is utter nonsense.  Regardless of what the past history is the question is a current one, of a group intent on slaughtering entire peoples.  This is called genocide.  Do not say that people cannot be outraged, or that they cannot take up weapons against such barbarians.

Really, it does not matter if one ISIS group in one place is not terribly bad, a second one somewhere else is barbarians.  This is not complicated.
13003  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 17, 2014, 11:53:52 PM

The USA has a way different way of handling their drug problem and decided to wage a war on it..  Do you think that has anything to do with the gun culture..?
Actually, I think something was artificially created in this thread called "gun culture", then after it was created, all the "gun deaths" were capable of being blamed on "gun culture".

The argument is thus falsified, as the premise does not stand.
13004  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rand Paul: We Must Demilitarize the Police on: August 17, 2014, 11:50:58 PM
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"He grabbed for my gun and succeeded at defeating my retention holster, now I'm wrestling him for it before he pulls the trigger {bang}" If physical evidence shows a struggle, not criminal.

This is why if you're going to learn how to use a gun you should train in unarmed combat, fucking noobs Tongue
This is good advice. 
13005  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rand Paul: We Must Demilitarize the Police on: August 17, 2014, 11:13:51 PM


Please provide proof of a non-lethal caliber gun or there really is no need for you to reply...

Sure.  Many, perhaps all.  Bullets are lethal, not guns.

22 cal snake loads, essentially a miniature shotgun shell, have likely never resulted in a fatality.

Rubber bullets are not lethal (although sometimes, rarely, they are)

The old shotgun shell loaded with rock salt is not lethal.

Blanks are not lethal.

Overall, about 13% of gunshot victims die.

13006  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel's Gaza assault is a big marketing campaign for its weapons manufacturers on: August 17, 2014, 05:47:04 PM
Pummeling Gaza is a sick form of 'product demonstration' for Israel on a civilian population
....
http://www.alternet.org/world/how-israels-assault-gaza-one-big-marketing-campaign-its-weapons-manufacturers

This is some sick, twisted thinking, dude.

Let's step through it.

1. Gaza unguided rockets are shot into Israeli cities
2. Israeli develops a defensive system, Iron Dome against terrorist rockets
3.  Iron Dome defensive systems works reasonably well
4.  Israeli Iron Dome mft. markets system to other countries

All looks pretty straightforward to me.  You are reversing cause and effect to make a propaganda point.
13007  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 17, 2014, 04:44:02 PM
i disagree. there are crazies in america, and they are often the ones who do the public shooting, but there's also a gun culture problem.. only in america do we have this many gun nuts and gun-related deaths. guns are rooted in american culture.

people from other westernized countries have lots of their own mentally unstable people, so why don't they have as many mass shootings?

ONE answer is the method of handling of mentally unstable people.  If a country put them in institutions, they would not be out running around on the streets.  And they would not be capable of killing, on the day in which they did not take their medicines.

In reality, there is no statistical relationship between areas with strong "gun culture" and the percentage of murders due to firearms.

http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2010/12/13/some-interesting-statistics-on-murders-committed-with-guns-by-state/
13008  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 7 Things to Consider Before Choosing Sides in the Middle East Conflict on: August 17, 2014, 04:53:48 AM
This conflict is a very hard one to chose a side because I am Christian and it says in the bible that Jews are gods chosen people but they have done lots of terrible things ......
 
I tend to seriously dislike people who contrive situations or manufacture controversy with the intent of getting me or others to "pick a side."

That goes for the parties in these conflicts, as well as some of the people in these threads.

I wasn't really trying to get you to pick a side I couldn't care less. I just wanted to show that neither side is good.
There is absolutely zero new in this current round of nonsense, all this can be seen in the days of Arafat.  Media whores.
13009  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 7 Things to Consider Before Choosing Sides in the Middle East Conflict on: August 16, 2014, 09:43:37 PM
This conflict is a very hard one to chose a side because I am Christian and it says in the bible that Jews are gods chosen people but they have done lots of terrible things ......
 
I tend to seriously dislike people who contrive situations or manufacture controversy with the intent of getting me or others to "pick a side."

That goes for the parties in these conflicts, as well as some of the people in these threads.
13010  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 16, 2014, 12:37:51 AM
i disagree. there are crazies in america, and they are often the ones who do the public shooting, but there's also a gun culture problem.. only in america do we have this many gun nuts and gun-related deaths. guns are rooted in american culture.

people from other westernized countries have lots of their own mentally unstable people, so why don't they have as many mass shootings?
I agree with the firs part of your statement. It is most often the mentally ill that carry out rampage shootings. The problem with the second part of the argument is... "who is a gun nut"? Someone who like guns and has guns as a hobby? Then I guess I am one.
....
Additionally, most shootings in the U.S. are shootings by known criminals and the victims are known criminals. This has always been the case. (excluding the civil war). If we actually enforced the gun laws we have now, and put people away for possessing illegal weapons much could be done to stop the majority of gun violence. But we don't. Often the gun part gets plea bargained away.  
I also agree with this. Most of the mass murders/public shootings are carried out by people who have some kind of mental illness who should not be around guns. I am not exactly sure how to solve this issue without stepping on many citizens' rights.

It is interesting that the places in the US that have the highest rates of gun related crimes and violence are places that have strict gun laws. I would speculate that criminals commit these crimes knowing that there will not be a citizen around with a gun to stop his crime.
You know I sincerely do appreciate people from other parts of the world talking knowingly about how they don't need guns to feel safe and how they think somewhat condescendingly that they are better than Americans in this respect.  Transplant some of these guys to south Texas, Arizona or Chicago let's see how rapidly their attitudes change.  

There is no question for me that if a criminal or a nut job worried that some of the people in that restaurant, theater or whatever might be doing concealed carry, he would not do his evil deed.  Not at that place and time.   He is looking for an easy, safe for him hit.  

Most police departments in the US support concealed carry, and are straightforward about it's benefits to the society at large.  

If we have scientific or practical knowledge or guess work that the psychoactive drugs accelerate dangerous behavior including shootings, this needs to be seriously investigated.  It cannot be allowed to be ignored because of lobby and vested interests of psychiatrists (pill pushers, basically) and the pharmaceutical industries.  This is likely what we are beginning to face - serious money interests that would deflect issues with their products by agitating the anti-gun bandwagon.

That's pretty sorry, but that's the way it is.

On the other hand if as a society we accept that psychoactive drugs have great benefits for society and some 0.1 or 0.001% of users go wacko on them, so be it.  But for reasons of discussion, let me note that these rather odd cases of psychotic and delusional behavior, mass murders, do not seem to occur with heroin, crack, speed, marihuana, hashish, or other drugs taken for reasons of addiction or pleasure and for which we imprison people.
13011  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obamacare Official Caught Telling Employee To Delete Emails on: August 16, 2014, 12:20:15 AM
I don't understand why this should be alarming or an issue?

The Healthcare.Gov website rollout was a disaster...everyone knows it. So how could uncovering a deleted email make the existing disastrous rollout worse?

In the US you need to understand civil servants cannot delete their professional communications. It is against the law. Asking someone to do it is against the law. Nothing to do with the website being a disaster or not.

I would believe that to be the case anywhere in the world, no matter the regime.

Do we have some space left in the jails or are they all full?
13012  Other / Politics & Society / Re: By 2025, ‘sexbots will be commonplace’ – which is just fine, as we’ll all be... on: August 16, 2014, 12:18:02 AM


...unemployed and bored thanks to robots stealing our jobs

.....

Whatever that thing is in that picture, it pretty scary.
13013  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SHOOT RACIST TEA PARTIERS IN ‘BATTLEFIELD HARDLINE’ on: August 15, 2014, 05:18:29 PM




In the upcoming first-person shooter Battlefield Hardline, players will shoot and kill racist anti-government Tea Party types, Gadsden flag and all.
....


Oh, I don't know.


Who WINS?

In the classic of classics, Call of Duty Black Ops Zombies....

The Nazi Zombies always....always....win.....

Also, who do you get to play?

I'm just somehow not excited about playing a cop.
13014  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 15, 2014, 03:52:40 PM
i disagree. there are crazies in america, and they are often the ones who do the public shooting, but there's also a gun culture problem.. only in america do we have this many gun nuts and gun-related deaths. guns are rooted in american culture.

people from other westernized countries have lots of their own mentally unstable people, so why don't they have as many mass shootings?
I agree with the firs part of your statement. It is most often the mentally ill that carry out rampage shootings. The problem with the second part of the argument is... "who is a gun nut"? Someone who like guns and has guns as a hobby? Then I guess I am one.

Do people in the "gun culture" do the shootings? No. We go to the shooting range and shoot paper circles all day. As a member of a quite serious gun club I know that the people there are extremely safety conscious and careful with their weapons. In fact, in gun culture you show your credibility by being a tyrant about the rules. Rampage shooters are not gun nuts, nor do they have any connection to gun culture, they are simply nuts.
This is quite likely true because "gun nuts" of which I also would be one all have a palpable fear of the dangers of all parts of guns.  Often times learned the hard way.
13015  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your view on shale gas exploration ? on: August 15, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
Drillers are illegally using diesel fuel to frack, doctoring records to hide violations: report

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/15/drillers-are-illegally-using-diesel-fuel-to-frack-doctoring-records-to-hide-violations-report/

" A new report charges that several oil and gas companies have been illegally using diesel fuel in their hydraulic fracturing operations, and then doctoring records to hide violations of the federal Safe Drinking Water Act.

The report, published this week by the Environmental Integrity Project, found that between 2010 and July 2014 at least 351 wells were fracked by 33 different companies using diesel fuels without a permit. The Integrity Project, an environmental organization based in Washington, D.C., said it used the industry-backed database, FracFocus, to identify violations and to determine the records had been retroactively amended by the companies to erase the evidence
".

...

"The report asserts that the industry data shows that the companies admitted using diesel without the proper permits. The Integrity Project's analysis, the report said, then showed that in some 30 percent of those cases, the companies later removed the information about their diesel use from the database.

"What's problematic is that this is an industry that is self-reporting and self-policing," said Mary Greene, senior managing attorney for the environmental organization. "There's no federal or state oversight of [filings with FracFocus]
."

The article doesn't actually say what you assert as fact.  It lists those ALLEGATIONS, then debunks them.

Cheers!
13016  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 15, 2014, 01:19:46 PM
Indeed.

In term of gun ownership, Switzerland has a higher percentage of citizen owning gun than American. Yet you don't hear people getting killed on the street as often as American.

Yes, true.
People in USA feel insecure, and understand that they should protect themselves, their families etc.
In Europe, people don't keep guns because they want to protect themselves or feel insecurity (at least most of them).
People like guns because of hunting, or they inherited it from parents or, like in Switzerland, it's mandatory for everybody who was in Swiss army.
 
And Switzerland isn't right next to Mexico.  Any more brilliant comparisons?
13017  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Attn: Human Influenced Climate Change deniers on: August 15, 2014, 03:36:13 AM
It's because "Deniers point out errors" that you need "Deniers", lol.  The very idea of "settled science" is totally anti scientific, and quite dangerous.  

It happens that "climate science", which isn't even really a good term, as it aggregates dozens of disciplines into a false generality, is where this drama is being played out.

RE Australia, yes I believe the continent could be Terraformed, over some period of time and after a huge amount of study and engineering.  The curious issue of the "Rabbit fence", NO SCIENTISTS predicted the divergent cloud formations.  Very interesting.

If you are in the mood to get really mad at people who should and purport to know better, check out the uber-smug groupthink here:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_warming_denialism

Rational?  More like AlarmistCultWiki...   Roll Eyes
Well, ya.  I'm not impressed by the science there at all.

More like a set of poor premises selected to create a desired conclusion.  For example, this statement:

The logical consequence of this blindingly obvious conclusion is that we should reduce the quantity of greenhouse gases which we pump into the atmosphere so as to reduce global warming.


...is false....

Let's restate the sentence without the puffery.

"We should reduce greenhouse gas emissions so as to reduce global warming."

This sentence is better, as the elements which may be questioned are the "Should" and the cause/effect relation in the "reduce", as well as the existence/continued existence of  "global warming."

13018  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 15, 2014, 03:26:40 AM
This is something I've noticed doctors have been trying to point out, something pushed these guys over the edge and the mixture of being hopped up on drugs and not being treated right would do that to anyone nevermind people who have mental problems to begin with. Good luck ever getting anyone in America to admit that though, they conveniently ignore the fact that Canada and Switzerland have just about as many guns as the Americans do but you very rarely if at all hear about people going on a rampage with them.

In fact, minus the compulsory national service, I think that the Swiss way is the way to go, if you want to go and buy a gun or have a rifle, you've got to do some kind of proper training first, these 'accidents' I've seen people list as a blame against firearms are caused by people doing things I would never do with a firearm and I don't even own one or know how to take it apart properly!

Yes, and everyone should be forced to take spelling, speech, and debate lessons before exercising their 1st Amendment rights is allowed.  /sarc

The populations of Canada and Switzerland are tiny and culturally homogenous compared to the vast, diverse USA.

While the Swiss are a free people (and kept that way by their respect for the right to armed self-defense) they are a very small country nestled high in the mountains.  Canadians are not a free people, being property owned by The Crown and The City.  Like other Euros, they are free-riders on the security services and ensuing stability provided by those nasty gun-loving American brutes.  Neither place make for a valid comparison to the USA.

It's a damn shame our Aussie cousins were so easily cowed by one tragedy into giving up a Right enshrined in common law since before Magna Carta.  Reclaiming that Right will not be free or easy.  There will be a heavy price to pay...   Undecided
I don't have a problem with encouragement of training in firearms, for a variety of reasons.  Both for men and women and children of both sexes.  Could be taught in high school, for example.  

For example, Glocks are very popular, but do not have an external safety.  This means an ignorant person can easily pick one up and put his finger inside the trigger guard, with potentially disastrous consequences.

The issue that I see is that the Left in the US encourages fear about firearms, and encourages ignorance about them.  This is doubly dangerous.  

I do have a problem with the idea that as part of buying a gun, someone should be forced to go through some training course.  We already have such courses for people who wish concealed carry.  There are simply too many diverse uses and reasons for purchasing firearms to make training integral to the purchase.





13019  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do not have a gun culture problem, we have a culture problem. on: August 15, 2014, 02:07:23 AM
There is a 100% correlation between "gun free zones" and sucessful mass murders. "According to the FBI, mass murder is defined as four or more murders occurring during a particular event with no cooling-off period between the murders. A mass murder typically occurs in a single location in which a number of victims are killed by an individual."

Infringe the most important human right (self-defense), sane innocents bleed.
For some reason though, the phrase has came to refer to use of guns.  Obviously, explosives and other means accomplish the same ends, and are fundamentally indiscriminate.
13020  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Attn: Human Influenced Climate Change deniers on: August 15, 2014, 01:11:10 AM

Bolded part above about 2025, yes I understand that.  But then your technical article with the 0.4', that didn't compute either.  I honestly don't know why, just was obliged to point it out.  I think you can see my point about gross mis statements of anything remotely near fact in the area of climate science reporting, and sometimes in the science itself.

As for the Australia issue, certainly regional climate is one hell of an impossibility in the some areas with multiple countries, that's why I mentioned AU.  It's a rather unique situation down there, huge chunk of land, mostly desert, almost everyone on the east coast, a few on the west, nothing in between.   Yet sea winds blow inward just like they do elsewheres.  Main problem is, no mountain ranges.

Google "rabbit fence", quite interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/science/earth/14fenc.html

Coming back to this and your right there are a fair share of sourcing errors in climate science reporting
The ones that stand out for me are the 2035 prediction for Himalayan Glaciers which was bunked by an India report
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jan/20/ipcc-himalayan-glaciers-mistake

The UN's climate science body has admitted that a claim made in its 2007 report - that Himalayan glaciers could melt away by 2035 - was unfounded.

The admission today followed a New Scientist article last week that revealed the source of the claim made in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was not peer-reviewed scientific literature – but a media interview with a scientist conducted in 1999. Several senior scientists have now said the claim was unrealistic and that the large Himalayan glaciers could not melt in a few decades.

And of course what preceded that Climategate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

So there are definite points of contention to debate.

And googled the rabbit fence it was interesting stuff those pesky wabbits ah had a good old elmer fudd moment
I must admit Australia seems a bit weird but I'm guessing it worked so guess good on them.

From your article I see what you mean now by different climates being possible depending on the vegetation and strata of the landforms which could also impact weather patterns and design an excellent point with climate there definitely are more factors to consider than what is seen initially.

_
And ah the answer to my pondering was at the end of that article ^_^
The bunny fence, as it turns out, failed to prevent rabbits from entering the farmland, but it has successfully blocked kangaroos and emus.

Darn wabbits XD
It's because "Deniers point out errors" that you need "Deniers", lol.  The very idea of "settled science" is totally anti scientific, and quite dangerous. 

It happens that "climate science", which isn't even really a good term, as it aggregates dozens of disciplines into a false generality, is where this drama is being played out.

RE Australia, yes I believe the continent could be Terraformed, over some period of time and after a huge amount of study and engineering.  The curious issue of the "Rabbit fence", NO SCIENTISTS predicted the divergent cloud formations.  Very interesting.
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