I doubt that this is anywhere near the proper place to be discussing relative pump-worthy-ability of various shit coins, even if you have some commonly held goals to acquire more bitcoins.  I understand that you value the opinions of bitcoin maximalists rather than the sea of shitcoin pumpers out there in the broader forum landia, yet nonetheless, it seems to be quite a slippery-slope to be comparing the level of shit or not shit of the various altcoins out there.. even if you seem to be asserting that LTC and Monero are less shitty than some others, such as ETH and bcash.. and even if I kind of agree with that general assertion, its still a BIG ASS slippery slope to go down that road, and encourages shills and trolls in these here parts.


We can be "real" in the sense that you might be able to make more bitcoin by engaging in such gamblings, yet also recognize that shitcoins are off topic here for a reason, and part of the reason is that it is a BIG fucking slippery slope... even if you either think that you could manage such limited off-topicness or you might even have decent and commonly held intentions to other bitcoin maximalists herein.... I think that our intentions to keep this thread out of shitcoin fuckery for as much as possible is a greater good than the possibility that you, or anyone else, might make some money on strategically playing some bullshit coins, even if some of those bullshit coins have some moral, ethical or technical redeeming values or even pumpability.

Edited above: Fixed the quotes that I had screwed up, and clarified some of the readability of the ideas presented therein.   

Maybe I was starting to like you because you seemed to have been agreeing with me, then you went into tin-foil hat landia.

Sure, you are likely correct that marketcap increases in bitcoin is likely going to put some pressures upon bitcoin's pump cycles to increase; however, there is also a kind of syncronization of cycles with halvenings and the likely effects of such halvenings.

Accordingly, rather than your speculation that manipulation is causing the front running of the hypecycle, there remains a plausible alternative explanation that the mere learning about bitcoin and the knowledge about bitcoin (and its cycles) is contributing to some tendencies to attempt to front run the effects of the halvening.

I would not call that manipulation as much is it is likely a free market phenomenon within the free market to attempt to push the price in the direction of least resistance for as long as you can get away with it.  Yeah, technically, that is manipulation, but bitcoin's avenues of getting in and getting out, are also increasing on an ongoing basis, so it becomes harder and harder to actually manipulate in the sense that you are attempting to imply.  Yes, manipulation exists somewhat because bitcoin remains a lot smaller than other markets in which some of the BIGGER players tend to operate, so they are able to successfully move bitcoins price a lot more with the same amount of capital that they might have attempted to move in traditional and BIGGER markets with a lot less movement in the price with that same amount of capital.  So, yeah, even if they are able to move bitcoin's price with less capital, there are also manipulator attempters, in bitcoin, on the opposite side of those manipulation attempts, so they may be successful and they may not.. they might get manipulation cooperation and they might not. 

So, yeah, when the manipulators are on the same page in bitcoin in terms of the price direction that they are pushing, then they are going to experience more success to to move the bitcoin price faster and further and with smaller amounts of capital, but at some point, sides switch and battles ensue regarding which way is the next leg in which the bitcoin price should move.  Seems like we are in one of those phases of bitcoin in the past month or more and a bit of a disagreement about whether BTC's price should go up or down.  Could take a bit longer to work this out, but no fucking way is it a reasonable assertion to suggest this whole bitcoin market is manipulated or able to be manipulated on a longer term scale when the whales who are making the manipulation attempts do not always agree about price direction, sometimes they do agree and the price is allowed to move in a commonly agreed to direction, but also sometimes some of them lose control over being able to stop it from going way passed where they’ll  wanted it to go.

I believe that bitcoin is not really on a calendar year pattern, even though frequently guys try to find some correlation patterns therein.  They are loosely correlated at best, and could even be somewhat random.

why would anyone have any reason to believe this is real?  Has there been an announcement?  Strange.

You see what I mean about emotional devolution?  Case in point, exhibited above.

By the way, maintaining various lifelong investment plans, attempting to keep learning about investments and investment strategies along the way and tweaking such investment plans in accordance with such learnings has never really seemed like any kind of "easy way."

On the other hand, "it is nice when a plan comes together," as they used to say on The A-Team.

The more you type, the more ridiculous of a state under which you seem to devolve.

You started out as potentially somewhat normal, like a guy with some bullish expectations, yet the more that I question your various assertions the more famous you seem to want to become from whatever the fuck various ideas that you have seem to have, and largely I may not even disagree with what you are asserting except maybe the way that you are saying them, rather than what you are saying.   

When you ask about putting "more than 1s on stake", I don't even know what you are talking about.  Furthermore, your first assertion was that we would never go below 5 digits again, and now you want to talk about whether we will go to 6 digits in 645 days.  Why do I give too many fucks, except that you are talking in gibberish absolutes, and I have no interest in discussing the taking the opposite of bets in such scenarios, even though there might be other posters here who are more than willing to take the opposite side of any bet that you want to make, especially if you want to make them in absolutes.



Do you see me posting in this thread about predictions that I might have or not have? 

I see one of my missions in life is to call bullshit on wannabe sorcerers.  Of course, I tend to be decently more sympathetic to wannabe bull sorcerers, but still when the get aggressive and double down like you seem to be inclined to do, then it just seems that you are getting way the fuck too embedded into whatever hopium you have been smoking.

Of course, there are decent odds for BTC to reach 6 digits in 645 days, but I surely don't want to take any bet with you - and especially not currently while you are coming off as all worked up and self-righteous - even though that could cause you to make even dumber bets.



I don't care and I would not even want to take your .1BTC if you were to be wrong.  I have plenty of my own BTC, and I could care less about whether you are correct or not and I am not in the mood, at this time to be discussing a bet with you when you have been largely playing evasive tactics with questions that I have already posed to you and now you are engaging in other diversion tactics attempting to make this about me, when you are conjuring up all kinds of desires for power plays in your mind.. 


I don't have any bet at this point, except maybe to bet that you will engage in any kind of diversion tactic(s) that you are able to in order to avoid responding to earlier questions that I had already legitimately put to you.


I am not going to pay you anything, because you are coming off as a bit deranged and emotional.  If you settle down a bit, then maybe I might consider some kind of meaningful discussion, or maybe there are some other folks who want to discuss your bet with you, especially since you seem so inclined to want to bet and you are getting so worked up... Generally when people get so emotional and worked up, they will make dumb decisions, and so you are looking to get played, no?

Of course, I have gambled.  I am old enough to have a lot of different life experiences, and surely some of those life experiences involve a lot more risk taking than others.

With regards to finances, I have largely attempted to take the vast majority of any kind of gambling tendency out of my various investments, and I recall learning that soon after leaving high school and then getting some personal financial and goal setting training in my first job (probably within a few months after leaving home).  One of the things that I learned early on was to attempt to live within your means and to have some kind of investment or savings plan (and the ideas of compounding returns), so I continued to attempt to apply those principles from my youngest years including trying to continue to invest at least 10% of my income into various investments, and my investments tended to be quite conservative. 

I also tried to learn as I went, and sometimes I made some mistakes, too.  To the extent that there could have been some gambling involved with some of the extra money that I had been stacking away, I also would attempt to hedge my investments too, but I learned that along the way, too. 

I pretty much started from nothing when I graduated from high school and soon after leaving home, and just before I got into bitcoin, I had largely felt that I had already established a pretty decent level of wealth, but I had considered bitcoin to be a way to hedge my traditional investments.   

So?  What kind of approach are you suggesting, degxtra1?  Even  if we feel that there is "no chance" of BTC going below $10k ever again, we still need to work within a budget, don't we?  Also, even if we assume no lower than 5 digits in this particular BTC market, even a drop down to $10k would be more than a 15% price drop.  How should we deal with that, if it were to occur?

Are you suggesting  BIG baller moves, degxtra1?  Is there any difference in how newbies might approach our current BTC price situation as compared with someone who has already largely established his/her BTC position?

That is ridiculous to stick with the original, especially when you are presented with a less absolutist way forward.

Yes, many of us HODLers wish for the BTC price to go up, but the mere existence of our wish, and even the existence of similar wishes of other HODLers does not hardly cause the wish to become an absolute.

If you recall our BTC price move from $4,200 to $13,880,  it is likely that quite a few of us only experienced a few dips that allowed us to buy back some of our sold BTC, so in some sense there was a bit of a feeling of a straight up in BTC price which is a good practice run for what kinds of extremes for which you and your BTC portfolio needs to be prepared.  Of course, frequently we are likely going to receive pauses in UPwards BTC price movement, but we should be prepared for the extremes, both psychologically and financially.

So, yeah, since the end of June, and our $13,880 price peak, there has been a lot of DOWN and UP that has allowed for several times opportunities to buy back some BTC - even if a guy (or gal) might end up selling such BTC again upon the subsequent BTC price rise, for me, there is a stacking sats components to my DOWN and UP in which with each return back UP, I will end up having a bit more BTC than I had the first time around at that particular price point.




Of course, there frequently is speculation that a collapse will happen gradually, then all at once, but I still think that it is going to take well over 20 years for any kind of meaningful collapse to take place, and even then it might be hard to determine with any kind of precision where baby BTC is going to be in that whole scheme of things... even while at the same time, those of us investing in bitcoin likely realize that relatively speaking, BTC should be in a very decent place - how many of us will be alive and well and in a decent position to enjoy our likely ongoing wealth in 20 years?  There will be quite a few of us gone, even if from causes other than old age.

First:  Saying that something is gospel or NOT is merely an expression to reflect a kind of certainty in the proclamation that is being made.  There should be no need to assign any kind of christianity meaning to such an expression, especially in a thread like this.

Second: I have no idea what purpose is served to emphasize anything related to roach.   Surely, each of us might be guilty, a bit, in giving that goofball too much attention, even such attention had meant to be in the negative.  Personally, I do not agree that he should be ignored, either, because then his ideas would then be allowed to run rough shod out there... My point is why the fuck is there any need to refer to roach in this particular matter?

Third:  Maybe you could have been the first to call "no more four digits" with such enthusiasm, but really this whole matter seems to be kind of coming off as you wanting sorcerer status.  Who cares who said what first?  Many times we have all kinds of ideas that are batted around in this thread, and it is not like any of us have very many original ideas, even if we might become known for repeating certain kinds of themes.  I guess what I am saying is that I wonder what kind of need there is to be the supposed first, because in the end, none of us really know about these price dynamics, and if we happen to get some kind of prediction correct, that seems to be more a matter of luck rather than something that we really had any kind of meaningful foresight into, amiNOTrite?

Surely, I have my doubts, and I am not really against such a prognosis (either financially nor psychologically) - similarly, as to when, in late March, JSRAW proclaimed that there would be no more sub $3,900, and he ended up being correct regarding that proclamation, even though I battled him several times on that one.  Currently the chances for sub $3,900 seems to be in the less than 25% arena, if not in the sub 20% arena.

Maybe you are going to end up being the JSRAW of 4 digits?  Time will tell, and even if you end  up being correct, I believe that currently it is way too soon to accept your assertion with any level of confidence as gospel.

Regarding roach.. I have my doubts about using him as any kind of indicator for anything in BTC.  He remains so fucking obsessed with his baloney irrelevant messages that there ends up being almost no correlation to anything.  It's like no matter what is going on, his recommendation is to buy PMs such as gold and silver and to prepare for Armageddon, and in the meantime hate everyone else for living normal lives.  Lots of members here seem to have attempted to transition out of his ongoing bitterness and butthurtness, but nothing seems to work, except maybe for short periods of time when grandma makes him some cookies and milk, then he seems to chipper up into lucidness for a short period of time... but that cannot always be determined, and grandma doesn't really seem to be too happy with him, either.

Yeah.. holy fuck... I had not noticed that recently we had 7 daily greens in a row.  Feels good man.

Anyhow, I can accept that you might have been going through with some kind of out-of-body experience when drafting that haiku... You might need to get checked out to make sure that you don't have an alien inside of you... just to be more safu.   

Hey, Ludwig Von.  I have no reason to doubt your proclamations in regard to having had prepared yourself for either BTC price direction, and therefore your speculation regarding "down before up" is going to carry a decent amount of more credibility, at least in terms of your not talking your books.

However (you see that there is nearly always a "however" hahahaha), I'm still a bit reserved in capitulating to any kind of "down before up" assertion or to give it much credence in terms of expectations. 

Just seems to me that, at this time, there would be a lot more pleasure for bitcoin  (to the extent that baby can feel pleasure), to punish those "down before uppers" because baby BTC  does not really seem like she wants to comply with pattern expectations, especially when there are a decent number of "smart than thou" people who seem so damned inclined to treat baby BTC as a mature asset class, and in the heart of hearts of a decent number of actual smart money folks, there remains a decently strong recognition (even if not outwardly shown) that she is merely a baby, and babies don't really tend to behave how you would prefer them to ... those lil fucks.

Surely, I appreciate that you built a confirmation into your response.   That lends a hell-of-a lot more credence to what you proclaimed.


Likely, too many people remain too nervous about being too close to returning to 4 digits to celebrate.  I am feeling that we can celebrate that the bottom of $3,122 is likely "in," but even with that, I can hardly muster up much more than a 75% confidence level.  Maybe I am too shell-shocked or conservative or merely afraid to get too cocky regarding where we are going, even though I am not too afraid to get cocky and even to laugh the fuck at how the shitcoiners seem to be fairing with our most recent BTC price dynamics in the past 4 months or so.

But, in that, I would only be rubbing in past performance - or even looking at a 2 year timeline and comparing BTC to almost any other crypto.  The vast majority of those shitcoins are not fairing too well, relatively speaking, but I am remain less than cock-assured that some of them might not get some pumpening infusion at some point in the near future.  So I am a hell of a lot more confident to NOT invest in any of them than I would be to either short them or bet against any of them for short to medium term pumpenings, at this point.   


Maybe the whole supply was used up last month? and, there is a bit of reluctance to prematurely ejaculate - even though I would pose that a breaking above $13,880 would infuse some renewed enthusiasm... and maybe even inspire some currently reserved folks to travel to the pyromania warehouse for an unscheduled withdrawal of goodies.

Currently, I don't see bitcoin in any kind of "fall" status.  We have nearly 10 days of UP, from y point of view, and in the past few days, we are a bit stagnated towards the upper end of the UP.

Hm?

Another "down before up" prognosticator.  May the luck be with you, in the event that you are betting on such proposition, along with a decent number of others who are betting on "down before up," yet need not be named at this time.

I doubt that bitcoin works like that.  There is no "must" in bitcoin.  There's no must in rust, either. 

Whew!!!   Saved by the bell.

Wow... you really like to give away your money.

Hopefully, your team is going to be able to keep you from spending ur lil selfies into oblivion...

Go cryptoqueen, et al, go!!!


Are you trying to tell us something, Tim?

Just don't be allowing your team to provide any pics of your alleged "usual business." 

The rest of WO can thank me in advance for this "practical" suggestion.