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1361  Economy / Speculation / Re: China just made Bitcoin pretty useless within China on: December 08, 2013, 08:32:13 PM
Lets see if I got this right.

China releases announcement.
Everyone circle jerks over how this is actually good news (http://imgur.com/3TAAoon)
I come on here and make the first real thread saying why this is bad news and implications.


Here's the thing.   Everybody already knew, from the very start, that governments would ban Bitcoin.
It was designed to operate rebelliously, and independent governments.  That's the entire point.
This is why everyone here "circle jerked" that this was good news.  Because Its  Exactly.  What.  They've.  Been.  Expecting.
You however, have been shortsighted.
You are the guy who sees only "right now", and doesn't understand the big picture.

You're correct that its very possible the bans may adversely affect Bitcoin for periods of time.
However you completely fail to see the entire purpose of Bitcoin, which kind of blows me away.
Are you really that unaware that it was designed to be fought, tooth and nail, by governments and banks?
You act like you just thought this up last week, and therefore you should be congratulated for your vast wisdom.
Nothing has happened that is unexpected.
And the market has responded by retaining Bitcoins value at a number that was considered *unfathomably high* just four weeks ago ($720).
Of course the Chinese news is bad news from the amateur's perspective.
For those who actually understand Bitcoin, and the steps it will need to take for growth, this is nothing but an indicator that we've moved into the next phase of growth.

I will be the first to admit that if all countries banned Bitcoin commerce at once, Bitcoin very well could be rendered impotent.
However just like the internet, every day that passes, it grows bigger, and bigger.
Every day that passes, more and more companies begin to build infrastructure around it.
More and more money pours in (millions and millions per day).
The longer they wait .... the harder it will be for it to ever be stopped.
The internet could have been stopped at some point too.  Very early on.
But could any single (or even group of) countr(ies) bring down the internet today?
There are too many banks, corporations, multi-trillion dollar companies invested in it.  Relying on it.
So will be the process with Bitcoin, I believe.

I have significant confidence that governments will not move quickly enough to have any permanently destructive effect on Bitcoin in the long run.
Chinese govt moves fast because Chinese govt does whatever the fuck it wants.
US government is so bogged down in special interest and "protecting freedoms" ... and red tape ... that it will be a long ... long time before anything is done here.
And by then ... it will probably be too late.
Not to mention, they just approved our politicians to receive campaign funds in Bitcoin, so now you have government officials heavily biased in favor of it, from top to bottom.

Growing pains.  Expected.  Good news.

-Burger-
1362  Economy / Speculation / Re: Looks familliar? :S on: December 08, 2013, 08:03:12 PM

I thought we were in the speculation forum, and he is expressing his view.

His "view" is blindness then?   The charts don't match.  

One dipped to $550 then went back up to $700 and held.  (reality)

The other one took a skydive to the very bottom.  (the hypothetical chart)

They don't match.  

So I suppose he's expressing his view which indicates he can't see whats in front of his face, and therefore deserves some snarky replies.

PS:  There's a unicorn outside my window.  If I kept telling people that, i'd end up in the loony bin.  
1363  Economy / Speculation / Re: It's over. Bitcoin is finished. on: December 08, 2013, 06:54:28 PM
By the exchanges who take in real money and give out monopoly money in return. And guess what, you can't cash out. It's all just a big scam. I've had a friend who tried to cash out from coinbase and got an email saying his money won't be processed for 24 months.

Guess why they picked 24 months, statute of limitations.  Wink
I didnt even make it past this post (Page 2).  But im pretty sure you got your ass handed to you on a platter after this comment.

Why are all bitcoin detractors totally wrong in their facts ... 100% of the time?

I cashed out $60,000 through coinbase three weeks ago.   

And that was on a Litecoin investment that quadrupled, (which I then sold for Bitcoin and cashed out).

Be happy to provide proof.
1364  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin starting to fail? on: December 08, 2013, 06:48:44 PM
With all due respect (none) .... how are people so utterly simple minded?

We are at a price right now that was considered unfathomable for Bitcion ... a whopping ... 4 weeks ago.

Four weeks ago.

Unfathomable.  

On what planet .... In what universe ... does a $720 valued Bitcoin equate to "Failing" .... or "Crashing" .... or "Dead" ?

People's brains utterly confound me sometimes.

Seriously.  What IQ is necessary to work this simple thought process out in one's mind?

-Burger-
1365  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: watch the world currencies flow into BTC in realtime on: December 07, 2013, 03:34:26 AM
And according to this for the last 20 minutes, zero trades in China?

1366  Economy / Speculation / Re: When do you think the breaks will come on ? on: December 07, 2013, 02:26:20 AM

If you join, go up to top left corner icon > Options > Hide join/quit notifications.

1367  Economy / Speculation / Re: A dark day in the history of bitcoin..... on: December 07, 2013, 02:14:58 AM
LOL... my buy orders are waiting anxiously...

Im salivating at the possibilities .... yummmmmmmmmm
1368  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Someone better tell BTC China that what they are doing is illegal on: December 07, 2013, 01:54:52 AM
you been at the vino brah?

Why do you say "brah" every time you post?

The only time brah is acceptable is if you're making fun of people who say it cus they think its cool.  

If you say it every time you talk, you're the guy who thinks its cool.  
1369  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoin isn't crashing because of Chinese Traders? on: December 07, 2013, 01:53:01 AM
Im reading articles that China trading is just as active as ever.

Its just the stupid "round eyes" (like me so i can talk trash lol) panic selling right now.  Its Gox and other exchanges.

Any validity to this?   I would be utterly annoyed if the price is crashing this much and CHINESE investors aren't even the ones doing it ...

What is BTC China activity looking like?   Price?

-Burger-
1370  Economy / Speculation / Re: DROPPING LIKE A ROCK on: December 06, 2013, 08:25:13 PM
Dammit!!  Just hit 800 and a shit ton of smart people bought in.

So I missed it!!!!!!!!!!!!

So now its back up to 875.

Damn all of you smart people!!!
1371  Economy / Speculation / Re: Balls of Steel on: December 06, 2013, 06:40:01 PM
Gentlemen, you have balls of steel.
1372  Economy / Speculation / Balls of Steel on: December 06, 2013, 06:32:01 PM
Who here has balls of steel?

Your balls are being tested now.

Only the strong survive.



PS:  is one bigger than the other on yours like the picture?

EDIT:  PPS:   Ladies - Ovaries of Steel for all of you.   My bad.

-Burger-
1373  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin crash starts today on: December 06, 2013, 05:05:06 PM
SELL IT ALL! BTC GOING DOWN!

Wise words!   !!!! 













Smiley
1374  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin crash starts today on: December 06, 2013, 04:58:52 PM
Everyone, please cash out before its too late.

Seriously.   This is not for you.  

You gave it a good try.  Had high hopes.  Turns out you were wrong.  Get out while you still can.



















Smiley
1375  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Today was an excellent opportunity for an "Exit Drill" on: December 06, 2013, 04:48:11 PM
no I did not actually sell as the price fall stopped just short of my sell point so I still have all of my BTC.

Damn.  Was hoping another weak individual would drop off, thereby making my coins even more valuable.

All my new investor friends were freaking out yesterday.  I simply told them they need to cash out completely because this is not for them.

Tired of hearing the paranoia.

Quote
I need to print that on a T shirt so I can point to it every time people ask what my exit strategy is.
There needs to be a T shirt that says "Balls of Steel" with the Bitcoin logo next to it.  For those of us who held on ..
1376  Economy / Speculation / Re: Calling the end on: December 05, 2013, 11:32:00 PM
Yep, am calling this as the end of Bitcoin, it may drag on for a while, but it's dead.
revans - PS:  30% crash then immediate rebound.  

revans - Bitcoin is far too powerful to fail over something as silly as the China announcement.  Smiley  

revans - It must suck to always ... be wrong.  Then again, Trolls don't care about being wrong.  They say inflammatory things over, and over, just to annoy people.  Right?
1377  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Can the Blockchain be hacked? on: December 05, 2013, 02:00:42 AM
If no, why not?
1378  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin may now level off... on: December 05, 2013, 12:09:03 AM
You have to move all your Bitcoins from your paper wallet to your real wallet or the BTCs on the paper wallet get lost  Shocked

Who really can know this? You try to move 1 BTC from your paper to your BTC wallet and lose 99 Coins or ~110.000$ because you dont know this information.


I don't know who said this but its wrong.

Nothing happens to coins on a paper wallet.  You probably read the sentence wrong.  He probably said you *could* lose something that is on paper.

Meaning, its possible to misplace it.  The coins don't sometimes "get lost" from paper wallets.

In fact, the coins aren't really there.  They aren't anywhere.   The blockchain is an accounting ledger, documenting where the wealth is.

The wealth is virtual.  The paper wallet just houses the private key.  And its the private key that unlocks your ability to move the coins from their location documented in the ledger.

There are no coins on your paper wallet, and they can't be lost.

Actually it is possible to lose coins. Here is the scenario: You have paper wallet P1 with a public key P1pub and a private key P1priv containing 1 BTC.
You fill that walled by transferring funds from somewhere else to the public address P1pub. Two months later you decide it is time to spend some of that BTC given the value has at least doubled ( ;-) ).
You import your private key P1priv in bitcoin-qt and tada, the amount of bitcoins stored in your paper wallet are now added to your digital wallet. You then proceed to spend from the added address P1, say 0.1 btc from the 1 BTC of P1. The expected result is that P1 now contains 0.9 BTC. This however is usually not the case. The reason is that usually the wallet software will place the remaining 0.9 BTC into a new address P2 for extra anonymity. So your input from P1 gets split to two outputs: The destination to which you are sending 0.1 BTC and P2 to where you are sending the remainder (actually the difference between the input and the two outputs will be the miner's fee and if you fail to specify a second output for the remainder the miner who found the block receive all of it). Some wallet software will let you specify the remainder address as P1pub, essentially placing the remainder back into the paper wallet but since you have had to use the private key of that address it might be compromised.
Back to the scenario: If you used your wallet software and were unaware that it places the remainder into P2 you might wrongfully assume the paper wallet contains the remainder in P1. You now delete (really, don't ever delete a wallet unless you know what the hell you are doing) the wallet software thinking your online business is done and all is swell. P2 gets deleted along with the private key for P2 so yes, your money is now gone.

Now what do we learn from this? a) Use paper wallets as one time vouchers and once they are digitized destroy them. (and create a new one to where you transfer the remainder) b) don't delete wallets unless you are more than sure that there is nothing you can lose c) who said printing your own money did not at least require a tiny bit of research



Obviously there are many ways to "lose" coins.  Like leaving your hard drive with 7 million dollars worth, in a Landfill.

But his comment was:  "You have to move all your Bitcoins from your paper wallet to your real wallet or the BTCs on the paper wallet get lost"

You can't lose coins this way.  

As long as he has his paper wallet and his private and public key, he isn't going to "lose" his coins if they don't get moved to a "real wallet" (whatever that means).
1379  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is about to surpass gold again on: December 04, 2013, 10:59:59 PM
WE DID IT!
1380  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is about to surpass gold again on: December 04, 2013, 10:56:59 PM
$7 ...... $7 ..... you can dooooooooooo it BTC...


EDIT:  LOL ... after i typed that it went from $1231 to $1231.01 ...... whos the wiseguy


EDIT 2:  How cool is this.   The current "Sell" price is 1238.82 .... someone knows they're going to kick it past Gold .... love it.
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