Oh yeah, most definitely. In fact promote him to admin. Isn't it obvious?
And while we're on the same topic, you better feed me with some positive trust. Or else... you're gonna get it...
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Relevant PM's: Please remove the negative trust that you placed on RedSn0w or at least make it neutral. He is to be trusted but just not for escrow, so put it as neutral or we will have problems.
The negative trust you gave to Redsn0w is unecessary as he did nothing to make him untrustworthy. Please remove it or at least make it neutral trust or I'll be forced to give you negative trust.
haha ok Mr. Police man. So what kind of problems will you guys be having? Trust war? Quite a funny threat. Do you think that someone who is threatening to leave negative trust if certain trust is not given/removed should be trusted by default by the community? |
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You both shouldn't be on the default trust list. The fact either of you are is truly sad for this forum. Members here for 6 months essentially and given the power to give green or red to any account. Not right.
Hell, Quickseller even sells accounts, he could simply build his shill accounts to give them green. One of the biggest problems with this forum right now is the sheer amount of spam accounts and accounts simply used for signature campaigns. The spam is out of control, YET one of the main sellers who supplies the accounts which spams and ultimately is part of the problem is on the default trust list. He even markets that spamming can earn you money. Yet BadBear is constantly banning spammers because its a problem. Now tell me why an account less then a year old, supplying a strong part of this forum's biggest downfall right now is on the default list? Oh the irony.
Probably one of the biggest BS things on this forum right now.
Have you thought to think that maybe BadBear has looked into my alts and the posts that I have made? I think it is stereotypical to say that just because I sell accounts that I spam with all my alts. Why don't you tell me where I market that spamming can make someone money? If you are referring to the fact that someone can earn money via signature advertising then your statement is very misleading. If someone is able to add to conversations while they happen to be earning BTC then they are not spamming. You are basing the age of an account to be a determining factor as to if you should trust their trust reports. The age of an account is highly misleading to determine if you should trust it or not, and if you are implying that someone should use the age of an account to determine if they should be trusted then you are only helping scammers (and are probably a scammer yourself). You clearly have not done your research into either of us. I would also challenge you to show your true face and to reveal your "main" account I would be willing to bet that you cannot show one trust repot that I have given that you can reasonably say was given to one of my alts |
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I don't know if this is the right place , but a few days ago ( the 14th Jan) I've received a request through the email address to change the password . This is the IP address : I don't know if someone here is involved , but I would like to ask BadBear if he can check the ip. Thanks. That is showing as being a static IP address in the Philippines (maybe a SOCKS5 proxy?). Per my PM conversation with redsn0w only moreia and the lender from moreia's loan know his email address. There is a connection that links moriea to an account hacker (they were both aggressively pushing bitcoin-stocks) and a connection to moreia to michaelanair (same connection). Additionally this would explain why michaelandair would want redsn0w's trust rating to be perfect. |
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Looking for 4 btc loan,have collateral!Collateral account emgoldex with place on payment,need also fill 7 people for get payment 3500 eur,and after automatically enter in next table,which is also 3500 eur,in summ 7000 eur. http://www.pictureshack.ru/view_64367_Emgoldex-540eur.png Screenshot of my account.I deposit in emgoldex company 540 eur when I enter in this business.Many of people in table already invited,please understand how it is hard,I want only 4 btc for account.Please PM me. How can someone withdraw the EUR to either bitcoin or to EUR cash? |
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Can you prove ownership via a signed message from an old unedited post?
What is your asking price for them together?
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Have gotten the .5 BTC...... still looking for .4 to 1 btc.
Can you post a TXID of the .5 BTC loan that you got? wasnt a loan. sold my xbox and bought some btc while it is low. i now only need about .05 of BTC to fill the remaing balance. I can still give the mining contracts for the .05 loan if interested. Can you post a TXID of the payment you received? Or of the BTC that you transferred from an exchange to a address that you control? yes give me a minute while i google how to do that. lol coinbase wallet You purchased .5 BTC? |
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Have gotten the .5 BTC...... still looking for .4 to 1 btc.
Can you post a TXID of the .5 BTC loan that you got? wasnt a loan. sold my xbox and bought some btc while it is low. i now only need about .05 of BTC to fill the remaing balance. I can still give the mining contracts for the .05 loan if interested. Can you post a TXID of the payment you received? Or of the BTC that you transferred from an exchange to a address that you control? |
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Or just get someone in the default trust list to post feedback on the user so people can see and make their own choices.
So many of these ponzi's pop up that it is tiring to keep up with all of them. I have probably given negative trust to 20 or 30 of them but I am sure there are a lot that I missed. Or just get someone in the default trust list to post feedback on the user so people can see and make their own choices.
This is probably even more of a spam issue than it is a scam issue. I agree with leaving negative trust on them if certain conditions are fulfilled, however this probably results in them creating a new account/thread. I have noticed that a lot of them are essentially illegally bumping their own threads with likely shills. I also noticed that a lot of the ponzi's that I gave negative trust to now have something on their signature's that indicate they have been banned. Hopefully the mods will continue to be very aggressive in banning the ponzis who continue to spam, and to follow up with ban evasion bans when they use other accounts to evade their bans |
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Given that the topic of this thread is your feedback against those companies, and that it depends on circumstances changing (being able to prove they aren't a ponzi), I would think you would jump at the chance to show you are trustworthy and fair with your ratings, and that you do intend to change feedback as circumstances change. Being in default trust network doesn't mean everyone trusts you, just that the one person who put you on their list does.
I've already proven that I'm willing to remove feedback by removing feedback from nexusmining. Like I said, I've reached out to der_troll who has simply ignored my PM's. I'm willing to remove that negative feedback, der_troll just has to be willing to do the same and get in touch with me. Looks like you succeeded in using default trust in order to coerce someone else into removing their negative feedback against you. Good for you. That makes you and CanaryInTheMine look like upstanding people who definitely deserve to be in the default trust network, and certainly doesn't lend any credence to other claims that may or may not be true /s.  Well technically speaking he did not succeed, and I used my words/logic to get him to remove his trust on me. Hopefully he will see that this is not the first time he has done this and will remove him. I clearly stated that the removal of the negative trust was due to my opinion changing and of no help from you. I do not believe in your logic still. "Negative trust removed, not because of this thread but due to a change in opinion of mine: reference" Well either way, you intent was still of that to coerce me into getting me to stop leaving negative trust to people who I though were scamming. |
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Given that the topic of this thread is your feedback against those companies, and that it depends on circumstances changing (being able to prove they aren't a ponzi), I would think you would jump at the chance to show you are trustworthy and fair with your ratings, and that you do intend to change feedback as circumstances change. Being in default trust network doesn't mean everyone trusts you, just that the one person who put you on their list does.
I've already proven that I'm willing to remove feedback by removing feedback from nexusmining. Like I said, I've reached out to der_troll who has simply ignored my PM's. I'm willing to remove that negative feedback, der_troll just has to be willing to do the same and get in touch with me. Looks like you succeeded in using default trust in order to coerce someone else into removing their negative feedback against you. Good for you. That makes you and CanaryInTheMine look like upstanding people who definitely deserve to be in the default trust network, and certainly doesn't lend any credence to other claims that may or may not be true /s. Well technically speaking he did not succeed, and I used my words/logic to get him to remove his trust on me. Hopefully he will see that this is not the first time he has done this and will remove him. |
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I am waiting for a refund from OP aswell. I was told that I would get it as soon as they had the BTC which will be after the next round or two. same here waiting on refund from OP. lets hope it goes through. I wouldn't hold your breath too long |
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Negative trust removed, not because of this thread but due to a change in opinion of mine: referenceI still stand by my request to have him removed from BadBears list. This is the 2nd time you have removed negative trust after your blackmail has not worked. I am not sure what happened with rammy2k2, however this clearly shows that he is willing to use his position to get people to say (or not say) certain things |
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michaeladair has supported the site on several occasions. showing transactions in blockchain dosent mean u are investing anything.
negative feedback till u show solid proofs
He has been paying out so there is no real reason to show his proof. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty so I'd very much like it if you removed that negative trust. You don't have to but I'll have mine on you till you do so. I'm interested in investing though im curious, where can we say you have the balance to pay us? The repayment address only has .03BTC in it.
Thanks
It gets transferred over from various sources back into there then it gets sent out to repay people. That's what I believe is happening... because you can see that money keeps going into it at about the same time that payouts are made. Above are quotes that I quoted in my scam accusation against bitcoin-stocks which you were supporting. Let me know if you want to dispute either of them. One other things: I was notified via PM that you were blackmailing rammy2k2 to remove his negative trust on bitcoin-stocks. PM received: showing transactions in blockchain dosent mean u are investing anything.
negative feedback till u show solid proofs
He has been paying out so there is no real reason to show his proof. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty so I'd very much like it if you removed that negative trust. You don't have to but I'll have mine on you till you do so. why refuse to show how u invest ? as investor i would like to know what u do with my money. all that blackmail with negative trust wont make u no good either  Hi, I saw that you posted the above in a HYIP thread. Can you give me more details about this statement? (especially the bolded part) yes, he threatened me he has many friends on this forum who are ready to leave me negative trust if i keep posting about his ponzi. that wont stop me tho |
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Where the hell do you get off saying that I hack accounts now, and why would I hack redsnows account... I admire him as an escrow even though he messed up a little.
Both you and Spodermen were actively pushing/promoting bitcoin-stocks. This makes me believe that you are either one and the same or are partners with him. It is confirmed that Spodermen was selling hacked accounts. I do not know for sure that was your rationale behind blackmailing me into removing my trust left for Redsn0w, however I am fairly confident that it was more then "he is your friend" If you were to hack his account you would likely use it the same way every other recently hacked account was used for - to try to scam - since it has a decent amount of trust it probably could get a pretty large take |
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I am not saying any of that. My argument is that I feel that any ponzi "game" operator are going to scam. I personally think anyone who invests in a ponzi is a sucker who will eventually be parted with their money several times over.
I think that anyone who is actively promoting ponzis (that I think will eventually scam) are enabling the scam that will eventually happen
I think that anyone who plays a dice site is a sucker and will be parted with their money several times over due to the house edge. I think that anyone promoting dice sites are enabling others to lose money. statistically speaking your first statement is correct. However in the short run, it is possible for people to end up with more money then they started with. The house edge is also known prior to a gambler playing (at least it is advertised) and the casino is not actively trying to cheat/deceive the gambler (as you described how a ponzi player would be a "good" ponzi player) |
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I sent you negative trust because I view your trust that you are currently sending is false and misguided. Also I've been on the trust list for a long ass time son. I was a supporter of bitcoin stocks for the time that they were paying out, I kept reinvesting and they kept paying. But I did not condone their activities when they ran. Like I have said many times, anyone who gives negative trust for "trust abuse" is not someone whose trust reports I value. That is exactly what you have now done twice. I don't believe that gambling sites deserve negative trust, I made a thread for that and we are currently disputing it. The odds are against you on it. If you have successfully traded with them then you should give them positive trust. People have the option of looking at what I posted and deciding if they should trust them or not. Does this also mean that me and redsn0w are also in cahoots? It seems like we are just protecting members of the community rather than "teammates". Plus, even if I was working with him as a friend what'd be wrong with that? You were trying to censor my honest feedback. The fact that I tied you to someone who sells hacked accounts leads me to believe that you will likely attempt to hack Redsn0w's account sometime in the future and want his reputation as pristine as possible for when you do so.
Please tell me how this whole get Michael off the trust list works,
Love, Michael.
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I find it quite funny how many people here supports for free market trade, against regulation etc but once something like an honest ponzi comes around suddenly they are like "THIS WEBSITE IS ILLEGAL OMG GOVERNMENT SAVE ME AND SHUT DOWN THIS ILLEGAL WEBSITE. EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEM SHOULD BE ARRESTED NSA USE 0DAYZ TO PWN THE OWNERS AND JAIL THEM". The ponzi doesn't lie, it does exactly what it says it will do, if people want to play ponzi's knowing the risks then let them.
I am not saying any of that. My argument is that I feel that any ponzi "game" operator are going to scam. I personally think anyone who invests in a ponzi is a sucker who will eventually be parted with their money several times over. I think that anyone who is actively promoting ponzis (that I think will eventually scam) are enabling the scam that will eventually happen |
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Well Michael, this is the 2nd time you have used your position on the default trust list to try to censor my actions. I don't see it as censoring your actions at all. He made a valid point. Look at the trust he left me. Do you think leaving negative trust for ponzi operators is in any way scamming? I never said you scammed, I left you negative trust because I don't "trust the trust that you leave" its not accurate in my eyes therefore it can't be trusted. Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer. Yes you did. When you leave negative trust you are saying the person either scammed or is a scammer. If you do not trust my trust ratings then you can remove me from your trust list. |
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It is likely that the ponzi site is going to steal all investor money in one swoop, not over any period of time. The first sign of trouble is that no one received their payout even though some people should. The ponzi "game" would obviously be abandoned and the operator would create a new account to repeat the process. The skill is to try and determine when the site will stop paying. This may start with obvious signs like late or missed payments, but it may also be when the owner decides the ponzi has gotten to a certain size. So estimating the size of the ponzi funds and the rate it is growing at is is another way to tell. A really skilled player may even decide to invest more funds when they think the owner is going to close up in order to try and prolong the ponzi. I don't see how investing more funds would prolong the ponzi. If the owner is going to run away with investor funds then investing more would just give them a bigger take. I don't think a ponzi would have any real reason to be "late" with payments because the money is all "there" in the unspent inputs of their ponzi address. A missed payment would obviously mean they have run away with investor money. The ponzi operator will have an unlimited amount of time to launder/mix bitcoin to make it appear that they are not playing against their players. The players on the other hand will have a much shorter time frame to check this. From what I have seen, many people "reinvest" their money back into the ponzi after receiving payouts so seeing money go from the ponzi back into the ponzi would be expected
Well if the owner is using mixers then a skilled player will find out which ones he is using and ignore payments that are tainted by those mixers. And of course they reinvest, you should reinvest if you think it is still likely to pay out. It would be expected that many players would either buy funds from an exchange or withdraw from other casinos to play the ponzi. A ponzi operator could counter this countermeasure by depositing funds on various exchanges and casinos and then withdraw to fresh addresses. Point is, not all ponzi's are scams, don't paint them all with the same brush.
They are asking to be trusted with gamblers' money. Most of the ponzi's that I gave negative trust to were brand new accounts. Picking a random ponzi that I gave negative trust to ( BTC-Pyramid-Ponzi) their first post is advertising their site. Looking at their site their minimum investment is .005 BTC. This is very similar to a brand new user asking for a loan on their first post. Would you trust a brand new user with .005 BTC if they promised to repay after x days? I assume the answer is 'no' and the reason is because you do not think they will repay. Why do you think it is that so many brand new accounts were created to promote ponzis? Do you think it had anything to do with the fact that they plan on eventually running away? Your points about how a skilled ponzi player can avoid loosing money all involve ways to detect when the operator is trying to cheat. Do you think it would be fair to say that any casino that is actively trying to cheat players would be considered a scam? |
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