Sounds reasonable.  Now everyone knows, so they should be able to calculate whether such claim transfer would be worth more than $901 per BTC to them, and thus be able to make an offer, if so willing, and Jojo can decide his present value on those BTC, as well - accounting for the fact that making such a proposed claim transfer agreement would not be free, either.

Just let your GOX claim play out.  You have hung onto your claim for this long, so why not just wait it out?

At least you have a better chance of recovery (some day) of your GOX coins than my WEX coins.

I consider my WEX coins to have about .003521749312% chance of recovery, and your GOX coins likely have greater than a 50% chance of recovery, even though you may only receive 30% of the value of your GOX coins, at best, (which still seems to add up to more than $900 per coin, the last time that I checked).

In the current situation, we can calculate the value of your GOX coins as this:  current price of $11, 400 x 50% = $5,700   & then $5,700 x 30% = $1,710....

so the punchline is perhaps that you should NOT to take too much less than $1,710 per BTC for any current offer, unless you figure out that the odds are much different than my rough estimated odds.




Actually, brad (searing) may have made a decent point too.  How do you know that your offer is not a scam?  Hairy's offer is likely more real, but how would you make a clear contract with Hairy or with anyone else regarding your transferring of your interest in your GOX coins that would be legally binding?

whatcha gonna doooo?



Oh?   Taking bids?

We weren't wondering.

Yeah.. what a fucking scumbag scamming goofball, and seeing his actual words contributes to such impressions.

I understand that my name is relatively high on some of those lists, but it is not really a fair comparison, is it?  

I was one of the first active WO participants to receive merit source status, even though some other merit sources likely have received a much higher 30-day merit allocation than me.... but some merit sources appear to have lower monthly allocations than me, too.   In the end, sending smerits seems to be a kind of imbalanced measure, but I suppose it could still be an interesting measure, so long as you are not trying to suggest that WO participants have anywhere near equal abilities to actually send smerits.

There is a smerit generosity thread too, that uses smerit sending data to attempt to identify which members are likely merit sources, and of course that smerit generosity thread attempts to present the smerit issue on an overall forum basis rather than focusing on specific WO thread merit activities.

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If the peeps want it, then who am I to say?

Are you trying to dox me, buddy?  (I'm using "buddy"with a confrontational tone)

I am just suggesting escrow because 1) jonoiv seems a bit looney and 2) he might not even have $1,000 that he could afford to bet, either now or after he gambles away all of whatever he does happen to have into his "ongoing dumb." 

There should be quite a few trustworthy members, or some agreed upon holding mechanism or even a kind of multi-sig for such an escrow... even while the end date for such proposed bet seems to be 2.5 years into the future.

Good call!!!!!!

I don't really care about how "strong" is the indicator, my personal approach is to take these kinds of charting matters with a decently large grain of salt, and I am not going to make any kind of meaningful tweak to whatever I am doing based on a chart showing that there are better odds for UP than I had previously thought. 

In other words, it is nice that other people are identifying these kinds of factors, yet I am NOT much of a gambler, and I really don't care too much.  Surely I will be more rich if the price goes up; however, I tend to get burned too much if I start to change my behaviors based on expectations.. so why ruin a good thing?  Gonna be rich, either way.   



In my thinking there are NO sure bets, except for what has already happened, and even then?  If you start predicting BTC price movements in a category that is much greater than 70%, I am going to have to mentally categorize you into "looney."     

By the way, are you changing your behaviors based on these indicators?  Are you taking your stash of fiat and going "all in"?  Think about it.  If anything is as clearly likely as you are suggesting, such as 99.9%, then you fucking better leverage everything into it, but the fact that you are NOT leveraging into it, means that you really don't believe your own 99.9% prognostication.



AmiNOTrite?

To me, it seems really difficult to perform any kind of possibly accurate self-assessment, even though it does seem to me that I am at least beyond the "huh?" status.

Certainly, I have nothing against spending some BTC here and there, yet each person needs to take responsibility for the significance of what s/he is doing.

Those claims about two pizzas being worth $115 million today is a bunch of fucking whiny retrospective bullshit.  If you don't want to spend your 10k bitcoins on two pizzas, then don't do it, but don't be whining about how much they would have been worth because it s largely irrelevant.  Lazlo certainly does not express himself like that, even though there are some folks who regret selling their bitcoins, but in my view, their framing of the issue is a bunch of damned nonsense.. and ultimately they made a choice, and their choice not to replace their bitcoins or even to have spent some other kind of money is still a choice that is water under the bridge, spilt milk, largely irrelevant, and other like expressions etc etc etc.


 

Certainly, you seem to have a decent amount of specialized knowledge in the watch direction, including an ability to differentiate between expensive watches, and like I mentioned before, sometimes, some of us might acquire tastes (even tastes for expensive items) that we did not believe that we had, and part of the reason is our lil fiend, bitcoin.   

Are you going to bet?

You would likely need escrow in the event that jonoiv is wiling to take you up on such a proposed bet.

Yep...  I can kind of feel it, too.....

And, I am thinking that every once in a while there seems to be some merit to a kind of BTC price pressure dynamics that is showing within various chart presentations, even when we cannot rely with certainty on those current or historical price dynamics to continue in the direction that they seem to be inclined.

Why would jonoiv give any shits about whether the information that he posts is accurate or misleading or reckless?

There seems to be both a bit of recklessness and desperation with jonoiv's current state, anyhow, even though s/he/it is likely only dealing with less than  a .5BTC personal stash anyhow.  Go figure.


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AlcoHoDL seems to have beat me to mentioning jonoiv's apparent ongoing desperation status.

Yep, there can be human thoughts and temptations, yet likely many of us are glad that you did not act upon your temptation, however fleeting it may have been.

Ultimately, the costs of misinterpretation would be too great, even if it had been clearly a trolling effort and/or a joke that was later clarified.

Sounds reasonable to mention the topic of spending BTC or considering ways to spend BTC in a prudent way, and of course, a lot of us know about Gresham's law which signifies that we should be attempting to spend our less good money before we spend our better money, but we also should appreciate a current reality that BTC had pumped 3.3x from  it's $4,200 base to $13,880 - yet our current price of about $11,560 is about 2.75x above that springing off base price.

Anyhow, there are certainly a few different prudent ways to balance out some kind of spending of BTC in this price area.... Of course, some of the devil can be in the details, too, such as how much of your stash are you spending, and where are you at in the process of accumulation, maintenance or liquidation... and of course, there are some other considerations that might factor into the matter too.

By the way, you are mentioning that you really want a watch, and watches can have some utility, status and cosmetic value.  A few years ago, I had thought that I had graduated away from wearing watches, but in recent times, I had also returned to wearing a watch, so sometimes we don't really realize some changes that might just come upon us, perhaps watches are coming back into fashion a bit in recent times, too?

For example, TMAN, I merited your cited above post because I was kind of feeling in the mood  to merit some posts, and I realized that I had not merited any of your posts for a while... so there is a bit of randomness to the matter, too.

Furthermore, I merited OP too, because I think that OP brought up a decent framing of a topic and provided a number of examples that seems to show some kinds of consideration that are at least springboard conversation points.... even if s/he/it might be wrong about some of the raised points.

  Just superficially looking at some of OPs post history does seem to support that s/he can be a bit of a shit poster him/herself..... but I still don't mind spreading out some merits to a variety of members with perhaps some glimmer of hope that some of these more active members are providing some kind of substantive help to various other members (and even to lurkers), to spark various conversations and even to encourage a bit of diversity of participation, thoughts and even springboards for thoughts.

I do admit that I get a bit irritated by shitposters who repeat themes that denigrate bitcoin or pump some other coin or project with misleading information, while sometimes trapping some innocent newbie bystanders into buying into their crap/scam projects.  At the same time, even scam/crap projects can serve some purposes to teach dumb money or even to provide avenues of investment and relief for dumb money.  It's not like we are going to absolutely get rid of dumb money, and I even know those kinds of people in real life.  They might not be teachable, and they tend to make the world more interesting and also they can cause mediocrely smart people feel even smarter.... hahahahahaha

I guess part of my point here is that there can be a bit of randomness to sharing and/or spreading out smerits, and even while sources have greater obligations to NOT engage in self-dealing with their source smerits, they also enjoy a decent amount of discretion that will inevitably have some subjective components and luck involved when they do end up spending their smerits that also might revolve around some of their real life happenings that can be difficult to know or trace, especially if the source might not say that s/he is feeling like x, y or z on a particular day when s/he sends out some smerits....

And lastly, a kind of repetitive point regarding the seeming randomness that might even be a bit irrational from time to time, I doubt that theymos wants bots serving as merit sources, so to the extent that people recognize, understand and accept that real people have irrational behaviors (from time to time), that irrationality seems to be a kind of feature, rather than a bug....even when some merit sources might be better able to consistently keep such  irrationality features under better control than other merit sources.

You can buy and replace, too.

Or at least buy and then set some BTC prices in which you will replace, if the price gets that low, which can be at whatever level you deem to be reasonable for your situation.

Because they tend to be dumbasses who cannot get over their wrong conclusion that bitcoin is "overpriced", so their pride seems to inhibit them from making money and realizing that even though they may have sold in double digits, triple digits, or even quadruple digits, that they might also be able to make money when then buy in the quintuple digits today and likely in the sextuple digits in the future.