You'd be better off handing the debt to someone who can actually collect it for a percentage. Just get a concrete address. Based on the region he's supposedly living in, it shouldn't be too hard.

Most likely he won't get a scammer tag. I've been reading that they don't really give those out any more (unless it's an extreme case).

Your best bet will be to make a scam accusation thread and post all relevant information you can find on this person. Any alts (Along with proof or evidence pointing towards alts), docs, usernames, e-mail addresses, etc.

And for the love of God, don't send BTC to some random person with poor English up front. Escrow or work out another method of doing a transaction (like with another person).

And you still haven't posted a TXID anywhere.

I understand where the story you tossed out there about a 21 day hold on funds came from - eBay holds PayPal funds for 21 days for purchases. There is no reason that would apply here, as I'm almost positive that there is not a 21 day hold on funds sent as a Gift.

Just post the TXID and the matter will be cleared up, I'm sure.

Still not seeing it. I don't understand the problem. If someone scammed me on PayPal, I'd make damn sure I posted the TXID of the coin transfer for transparency of the deal.

Anyway. Looks like this thread is over.

This is proof of an unauthorized chargeback. Not proof of a scam.

No TXID, no proof of a scam. Period.

HIS complaint is that he sent you payment and never received any coins. He also claims you made some weak excuse about funds being on hold as the reason behind you not being able to send the coins.

YOUR complaint is that you DID sent the coins, and he used a chargeback to rip you off. So let's see that TXID. EVERY transaction has this TXID.

Unless I'm reading this wrong...

....The guy didn't even give you NEGATIVE trust. He just left normal Trust with "PayPal scammer" in the comments and 1.0 BTC risked.

Anyway. Like I've mentioned in other threads, Trust isn't a black and white indicator of trust/being a scammer/whatever. It's a person's opinion of you. No one is really going to care that someone with negative Trust called you a PayPal scammer.


It looks like you have 3 spam negative Trusts for someone you don't get along with. That shouldn't effect business opportunities.

The other negative Trust you have looks like it could be suspicious, but again, that's really up to the people checking out your Trust. For instance, I wouldn't really care about the negative Trust you have if we were going to do business.

Now if you have 3 unknowns and 2 reputable people saying you stole BillyBobSoAndSo's 50 BTC, with screenshot proof and links to the thread, that's another matter.

Then post the TXID of the transaction.

See, I don't know if you knew this, but EVERY BTC transaction is recorded. So if you sent the BTC to the address he provided, that transaction exists on the chain. So just post the link to the transaction.

This isn't complicated. If ANY of you send payment first, you are taking a risk. Please measure that risk against the amount potentially being lost and the Trust of the person you are doing business with.

Also, use escrow. A simple escrow in this situation would have prevented this scam. I would have done it for 1%. A scammer will not send coins to an escrow because there is no way to pull the scam. An escrow cannot prevent chargebacks from happening, but can ensure that the scamming isn't coming from the SELLER of the coins, at least.

Anyway. Sorry this happened to you. Please be more careful in the future.

If you got scammed, please make a scam accusation thread in the proper section of the forums to protect others from the same scammer.

Any information (Name on the PayPal account, email of the account, etc) you can provide in that thread would be helpful.

Any proof? Screenshot of the payment sent? What wallet address did you give him?


Any proof? TXID of the coins sent? Screenshot of the chargeback?

Yeah. Calling you a PayPal scammer when you didn't really want to use PayPal doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

One of the main logical flaws with scammers (or paranoid people) claiming that there isn't a risk associated with sending PayPal first don't understand one simple thing - if you file a dispute with PayPal, you MIGHT get your money back. MIGHT.

If you file a chargeback for any reason, PayPal hits your account balance (because you went outside of the PayPal system). For those of us with verified/premier/business accounts, we simply can't afford to have our accounts potentially limited for filing disputes/chargebacks.

I'd like to point out that the negative trust left for him by TomatoCage is a personal opinion of sketchy behavior, not an actual scam. I agree that he's suspicious, but that might be due to him being either mentally imbalanced and/or young. He seems to fly off the handle at the drop of a hat, but hasn't actually scammed anyone.

I'm not defending this person at all. Just clearing that up. He obviously doesn't do business very well, regardless of if he's a scammer or not.

Now when you have someone refusing trusted escrow services and THEN going on a temper tantrum, then something is seriously wrong.

No one expects you to "send first" to the buyer.

You are expected to "send first" to an extremely trusted escrow. If you do not, expect to be labelled as a scammer.

That doesn't always mean it's a scam. I have a different PP address than my email.

Also chargeback.

Best post ever. I'm going to bed. Can't look at this any more.

Probably the absolutely silly amounts of negative Trust he's gained from both the people he ripped off and the people who have followed the threads where he was ripping people off.

I mean if you need absolute proof I'm sure you could get in touch with the victims who could provide screenshots or logs or whatever. Seems pretty obviously to me. Scam altcoins, sell altcoins (maybe even getting a chance to scam a few BTC in the process), cash out the BTC.

No one is going to do business with you if they have any sense.

You stole altcoins, you've been trying to cash them in for essentially free BTC, and now you're trying to cash them out for PayPal funds so you can either get your payday or use the PayPal to scam others.

This is just wrong.

Gonna keep an eye on this one. I hate when dogs get all messed up for any reason, so I was tempted to fill this myself (for one or two of those pennies as collateral). I'm interested to see how this turns out.

Sold to EnJoyThis. Smooth transaction.

Not at all. I don't know why you would think that.

And that link isn't relevant to this situation. I found out that I'd need PayPal funds a bit ago. I made a thread (In the goods section =/ ) selling BTC for an MP. I found a Trusted user's thread for MP sales. I bought a $100 MP, and couldn't load it on my PayPal. I'm now looking for a simple PayPal sale to get the funds I need.

What happened in THAT link was a high-risk buyer was asking for a PayPal sale, and then it turns out he was also asking for the coins up front. So there you have two "Danger Signs".

1: He is paying with PayPal (It happens).

2: He wants the coins up front. (Laughable).

It's different sitting in the person's chair receiving the PayPal payment.

I have 1 transaction where I received coins first and received trust for it.

I have two more transactions (each for 0.33 BTC) where I received coins up front for web development work that have not been granted Trust yet (but most likely will later today).

I don't mind new users making offers to make payments with PayPal, it would just be nice if they had a history of successful PayPal transactions or other transactions.

And thanks.